If The WI Teachers/State Empoyees Get Screwed (PJ Related)

SPEEDY MCCREADY

Ill tell ya what....
I have plenty of friends who work for the State of Illinois.....And they all have one thing in common.....

They will ALL tell you how much they screw the State.....

"I only work 3 hours a day, and get paid for 8"
"I show up 2 hours late and get paid for it"
"I leave 3 hours early and get paid for it"
"Im gonna retire at 50, and get a full pension....for doing nothing"

EVERY single one of my friends who works for the State of Illinois has this attitude........

Personally....I hope they all lose their fucking jobs.....

krobbinz

Black Diamond wrote:

I am not spending my hard earned dollars on Wisconsin Tourism

I hope the band will put their money where Ed's mouth is... And choose a different locale as well...

Hopefully this gets worked out before ticket sales, because I would rather go to Canada if it doesn't

As a member of the AFT, I would love for PJ to come to Wisconsin now more then ever! I couldnt imangine a better, bigger rally then that of a Pearl Jam concert.

If this measure passes, it will set up dozens and dozens of other states to follow suit!

RedMosquito02

MG79478 wrote:

RiotAct10 wrote:

As an Ohio resident and public school employee, who is going through this same crap right now, I have to disagree with you. Yeah, there are some ignorant people who elected the Wisconsin governor and my crappy governor, and now we are paying for it, mainly because these so called "independents" must have the shortest memory imaginable, and decided that rather than blame Bush and the Republicans in congress for all the stuff that went down from 2001-2009 to cause this mess, it must have been Obama and the Democrats who did it all from Jan. 2009 to November 2010, right?

That's an interesting take on recent history. Bush wasn't the best president by any means, but given what we are currently stuck with he sure seems like it now! Life was pretty damn good from 2001-2009. Once the Democrats took control of congress in the last 2 years of Bush's term, things started to go downhill. The only thing good to have happened since Obama took over is that Jimmy Carter can now say he is no longer the worst president ever. You really don't seem to have a good understanding of what really has caused most of the problems in this country, and I can assure you that it wasn't George W Bush, despite what TV has told you. These problems have been growing since the days of FDR.

"Bush wasn't the best president by any means, but given what we are currently stuck with he sure seems like it now. Life was pretty damn good from 2001-2009." BAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA!!!!

Thank you for the laugh, I really needed it today

drsluggo

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

Ill tell ya what....
I have plenty of friends who work for the State of Illinois.....And they all have one thing in common.....

They will ALL tell you how much they screw the State.....

"I only work 3 hours a day, and get paid for 8"
"I show up 2 hours late and get paid for it"
"I leave 3 hours early and get paid for it"
"Im gonna retire at 50, and get a full pension....for doing nothing"

EVERY single one of my friends who works for the State of Illinois has this attitude........

Personally....I hope they all lose their fucking jobs.....

It's true...

My wife is a teacher here and even though she does a great job, there are a TON of older teachers that just do worksheets all day and collect a LOT of money. Yeah, teachers are probably not paid what they should be, but when you look at the hours per year vs salary its not THAT bad. And the pension... its insanely good... except that most states don't have the $$ to fulfill their obligations there.

Unions are just as evil as the corporations though - they are out for their interests just as the employers are out for theirs. And in WI the unions are exploiting teachers because they know the public wont be sympathetic with most other state workers not getting their bumps that are higher than most private workers while accepting a huge pension that most private workers won't get anymore either.

PJ_Lukin

Just move the fucking thing to New York and get it over with. Stop the dicking around with some state that 90% of Americans couldn't find on a map if you took 40 states away.

wiscojam

If the poromoters of the show and owners of the venue contributed to Scott Walker's campaign, would you boycott the whole show?

U R A Crazy Breed

PJ_Lukin wrote:

Just move the fucking thing to New York and get it over with. Stop the dicking around with some state that 90% of Americans couldn't find on a map if you took 40 states away.

+ 1

iamica

MG79478 wrote:

RiotAct10 wrote:

As an Ohio resident and public school employee, who is going through this same crap right now, I have to disagree with you. Yeah, there are some ignorant people who elected the Wisconsin governor and my crappy governor, and now we are paying for it, mainly because these so called "independents" must have the shortest memory imaginable, and decided that rather than blame Bush and the Republicans in congress for all the stuff that went down from 2001-2009 to cause this mess, it must have been Obama and the Democrats who did it all from Jan. 2009 to November 2010, right?

That's an interesting take on recent history. Bush wasn't the best president by any means, but given what we are currently stuck with he sure seems like it now! Life was pretty damn good from 2001-2009. Once the Democrats took control of congress in the last 2 years of Bush's term, things started to go downhill. The only thing good to have happened since Obama took over is that Jimmy Carter can now say he is no longer the worst president ever. You really don't seem to have a good understanding of what really has caused most of the problems in this country, and I can assure you that it wasn't George W Bush, despite what TV has told you. These problems have been growing since the days of FDR.

"Life was pretty damn good from 2001-2009"? Dude, what are you smoking?
The Patriot Act, the neverending war in Iraq, the failed response to Hurricane Katrina...I could go on, but if you think we're worse off now than we were under Bush, you're seriously mistaken.

Bentleyspop

MG79478 wrote:

RiotAct10 wrote:

As an Ohio resident and public school employee, who is going through this same crap right now, I have to disagree with you. Yeah, there are some ignorant people who elected the Wisconsin governor and my crappy governor, and now we are paying for it, mainly because these so called "independents" must have the shortest memory imaginable, and decided that rather than blame Bush and the Republicans in congress for all the stuff that went down from 2001-2009 to cause this mess, it must have been Obama and the Democrats who did it all from Jan. 2009 to November 2010, right?

That's an interesting take on recent history. Bush wasn't the best president by any means, but given what we are currently stuck with he sure seems like it now! Life was pretty damn good from 2001-2009. Once the Democrats took control of congress in the last 2 years of Bush's term, things started to go downhill. The only thing good to have happened since Obama took over is that Jimmy Carter can now say he is no longer the worst president ever. You really don't seem to have a good understanding of what really has caused most of the problems in this country, and I can assure you that it wasn't George W Bush, despite what TV has told you. These problems have been growing since the days of FDR.

is that you Rush? Bill? Sean? Glen??
or Maybe you're Dick Cheney or Karl Rove??
Must be one of you or maybe you're Sarah Palin because certainly no one else would believe what you said.

MG79478

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

This is priceless. "Life was pretty damn good from 2001-2009."

Let's see: $1 trillion war started on false premises, totally incompetent response to a natural disaster, gutting of the EPA, creation of a new entitlement benefit pandering to senior citizens & rX companies (that cost more than pretty much all Obama spending so far), complete collapse of the economy...

Yeah, it was fucking awesome. :roll:

Bush wasn't perfect, but your response reeks of main stream media drivel. You are grossly misinformed on Obama's spending vs all other presidents combined. I could spend all day correcting you, but I don't think you will listen. But one thing really gets me is the natural disasters. I can't believe anyone out there still spouts this stuff. Which natural disaster were you referring to? The one where the people had days of warning and refused to leave, then the Democrat governor of the state, who was responsible for the disaster botched the aftermath, and the federal government had to swing in to help? Or are you talking Obama's response to the much worse Iowa floods or the gulf oil spill? How about Obama's response to the Ft Hood terrorist attack? Bush's Katrina response was light years faster than Obama's response to the much worse disasters.

MG79478

RiotAct10 wrote:

Really? So you're telling me, all the dereguliation that took place under Bush, wasn't that big a deal? The Enron's and Lehman Brothers and Citigroups and Bush being the President who originally bailed out the banks and car companies, wasn't that big a deal? The massive spending Bush did while taxing less therefore spending more and bringing in less, wasn't that big a deal? The Eight years that he was President did not cause any of the problems, right? But Obama took office in January of 2009, didn't really get to enact any sort of laws or budgets of much significance until probably the spring of that year, so two years at most, one and a half more realistically, and it's all his fault? I'll go read my history books, why don't you go read your economic books, and realize things don't happen over night. Bush's policies (as well as Clinton, Bush I, Reagan, etc.) are still effecting this country probably more so that what has happened in the last two years. If there were an easy fix, Obama would have done it by now. It took years and years to get us in this mess, and it will take awhile to get out. But... it's all the new guy's fault. Right?

Never did I saw that everything bush did was right, and everything is Obama’s fault. In fact I specifically refer to problems starting back in the days of FDR and slowly growing over the years. You obviously didn’t take the time to read my post, yet still felt the need to respond. I’ve been critical of Bush; I think the first stimulus (approved by a democrat majority in congress) was a bad idea. But Obama continued to pass stimulus bills. What does have an effect over night is when your government is spending like a drunken sailor. I do agree with you though, most of the damage he has done (i.e. Obamacare) will take years to really screw us and our kids.

Johnny Abruzzo

MG79478 wrote:

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

This is priceless. "Life was pretty damn good from 2001-2009."

Let's see: $1 trillion war started on false premises, totally incompetent response to a natural disaster, gutting of the EPA, creation of a new entitlement benefit pandering to senior citizens & rX companies (that cost more than pretty much all Obama spending so far), complete collapse of the economy...

Yeah, it was fucking awesome. :roll:

Bush wasn't perfect, but your response reeks of main stream media drivel. You are grossly misinformed on Obama's spending vs all other presidents combined. I could spend all day correcting you, but I don't think you will listen. But one thing really gets me is the natural disasters. I can't believe anyone out there still spouts this stuff. Which natural disaster were you referring to? The one where the people had days of warning and refused to leave, then the Democrat governor of the state, who was responsible for the disaster botched the aftermath, and the federal government had to swing in to help? Or are you talking Obama's response to the much worse Iowa floods or the gulf oil spill? How about Obama's response to the Ft Hood terrorist attack? Bush's Katrina response was light years faster than Obama's response to the much worse disasters.

I think we'll just let you stay in your fantasies. Sources like Congressional Budget Office don't mean anything to people like you unless the numbers support your surreal arguments. (but Part D cost more than the Bush/Obama Bailouts, Healthcare Reform and the Recovery Act combined)

Oh by the way, Obamacare is a right-wing term gleefully picked up by the Liberal Media. The biggest problem with Healthcare Reform is that it didn't go far enough, in a lame attempt to placate right-wingers who were never going to vote for it anyway.

JimmyV

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/pol ... pbox_links

I would love to see this become a reality even though I know it never will. Imagine getting an itemized receipt each year letting you know what your tax dollars were spent on? No one on either of the side of the aisle would be happy.

MG79478

iamica wrote:

"Life was pretty damn good from 2001-2009"? Dude, what are you smoking?
The Patriot Act, the neverending war in Iraq, the failed response to Hurricane Katrina...I could go on, but if you think we're worse off now than we were under Bush, you're seriously mistaken.

Funny, some of your liberal friends were arguing how we needed more laws like the patriot act to prevent tragedies like the Arizona shooting. I don't see the problem with the patriot act. I am totally against growing government power, unless it directly benefits me, and this does. Who cares if they tap your phone, unless you have something to hide? Maybe if Clinton would have enacted something like the patriot act, 9-11 would have been avoided, and we wouldn't have ever gone to Iraq? Katrina... you can't be serious?

I don't get how people think life is good now. Obama is weakening our position in the world. I've never been so worried about the future of my kids. What is possibly going well now? Maybe it's because I am surrounded solely by well educated, hard working, responsible people. But no one I know is happy about the state of this country. No one likes Obamacare. Everyone feels like they are getting squeezed to fund democrat entitlement programs, that they offer in exchange for votes. I guess if you are one of the non-productive members of society, you might think it is pretty awesome that Obama wants to give you so much free stuff? I just don't get it? Even still, his spending, and his foreign policy should still scare the crap out of you.

Bentleyspop wrote:

is that you Rush? Bill? Sean? Glen??
or Maybe you're Dick Cheney or Karl Rove??
Must be one of you or maybe you're Sarah Palin because certainly no one else would believe what you said.

Here's a free tip, while this board may be populated mostly be sheep who believe whatever their favorite singer says, that is not indicative of the rest of the country. In fact, America in general is slightly right of center.

usamamasan1

iamica wrote:

"Life was pretty damn good from 2001-2009"? Dude, what are you smoking?
The Patriot Act, the neverending war in Iraq, the failed response to Hurricane Katrina...I could go on, but if you think we're worse off now than we were under Bush, you're seriously mistaken.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 05562.html





oh and about the unions and pearl jam, they broke a picket line to play a show 7/10/06 if memory serves.

MG79478

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

I think we'll just let you stay in your fantasies. Sources like Congressional Budget Office don't mean anything to people like you unless the numbers support your surreal arguments. (but Part D cost more than the Bush/Obama Bailouts, Healthcare Reform and the Recovery Act combined)

Oh by the way, Obamacare is a right-wing term gleefully picked up by the Liberal Media. The biggest problem with Healthcare Reform is that it didn't go far enough, in a lame attempt to placate right-wingers who were never going to vote for it anyway.

Ok, provide links and numbers. Don’t just dump a link and run. The burden of proof is on you. Make a case, let's see what you got.

At least they didn't flee to avoid a vote. The problem is that health care is not a right.... It's a luxury. If you want it, work hard so that you can afford it. That’s the problem these days, what incentive does anyone have to better their situation when the government will take care of you? Government ruins everything it tries to run, and government health care is a massive failure everywhere it has been tried. The democrats are only onboard because they don't care about tomorrow; they only want to offer it for votes today. That's all they ever do, offer entitlements that I have to pay for, in exchange for votes. If their plan is so good, why doesn't it apply to them and their families?

usamamasan1

you rock

Mitch8415

The people of Wisconsin overwhelmingly voted in a Republican Governor and Republican majorities in both houses in 2010. They are getting what they voted for. Just like the United States overwhelmingly voted in a Democratic President and Democratic majorities in both houses in 2008, and we got what "we" voted for.

Elections have consequences.

Isn't there a board for this crap?

Super Creep

Isn't there a board for this crap?

If there isn't, there should be. Let me summarize what has happend thus far: "I'm right. You're wrong. Go fuck yourself."

People overly involved in their own political opinion and those of others are frustrating as hell on both sides.

Edit: Also, those who constantly refer to people who don't follow their beliefs as sheep please get off your high horse.

guacamolejoe

cincybearcat wrote:

jdpancoast wrote:

I think there is a solution here. Pearl Jam gives 10 dollars from every ticket to various unions from Wisconsin (yah, this probably means our prices will go up but thats ok). This would allow them to move the concert to make a political statement, while still benefiting the good people of Wisconsin without supporting that moronic government

This is probably the worst idea I have read in regards to ticket sales.

There's no way I would pay that "tax" :evil: . :? I'll just sneak in if that's the case