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Black DiamondBlack Diamond Posts: 25,107
edited June 2011 in A Moving Train
I am not spending my hard earned dollars on Wisconsin Tourism

I hope the band will put their money where Ed's mouth is... And choose a different locale as well...

Hopefully this gets worked out before ticket sales, because I would rather go to Canada if it doesn't
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  • Jerome230Jerome230 Posts: 903
    Black Diamond wrote:
    I am not spending my hard earned dollars on Wisconsin Tourism

    I hope the band will put their money where Ed's mouth is... And choose a different locale as well...

    Hopefully this gets worked out before ticket sales, because I would rather go to Canada if it doesn't

    It would be a shame to have the citizens of Wisconsin suffer any more because of some bad eggs in their government. That would be like when the Pixies boycotted playing Israel because of their government, ultimately taking it out on fans.
    Ed...buddy...pal...stay true to your word and play Boise again.

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  • Leash_In_HidingLeash_In_Hiding Posts: 691
    Good Call +1
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  • PJ_LukinPJ_Lukin Posts: 2,055
    Jerome230 wrote:
    Black Diamond wrote:
    I am not spending my hard earned dollars on Wisconsin Tourism

    I hope the band will put their money where Ed's mouth is... And choose a different locale as well...

    Hopefully this gets worked out before ticket sales, because I would rather go to Canada if it doesn't

    It would be a shame to have the citizens of Wisconsin suffer any more because of some bad eggs in their government. That would be like when the Pixies boycotted playing Israel because of their government, ultimately taking it out on fans.
    It isn't like the Wisconsin fans can't go to another state. After all, everyone else is expected to go to a state they do not call home. Besides, the residents of Wisconsin brought this on themselves, they voted for a tea party guy.

    Pearl Jam could make an Anti tea party statement.... just like the good old pre-Obama days!
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  • RiotAct10RiotAct10 Ohio Posts: 1,632
    As an Ohio resident and public school employee, who is going through this same crap right now, I have to disagree with you. Yeah, there are some ignorant people who elected the Wisconsin governor and my crappy governor, and now we are paying for it, mainly because these so called "independents" must have the shortest memory imaginable, and decided that rather than blame Bush and the Republicans in congress for all the stuff that went down from 2001-2009 to cause this mess, it must have been Obama and the Democrats who did it all from Jan. 2009 to November 2010, right?

    But the point is, you could probably pick any state, and the guys in Pearl Jam could have a political issue with something going on there. As a band, I do not think it would be fair to punish a state for something like this. If anything they could play a benefit show or a rally there. But trust me, people in Wisconsin and Ohio and other states going through this BS right now, we aren't all morons, we don't all support this crap, and it's sort of unfair to throw us all in the same boat.
    words seem so out of place.

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  • jdpancoastjdpancoast Posts: 34
    I think there is a solution here. Pearl Jam gives 10 dollars from every ticket to various unions from Wisconsin (yah, this probably means our prices will go up but thats ok). This would allow them to move the concert to make a political statement, while still benefiting the good people of Wisconsin without supporting that moronic government
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  • MaxGoldenrodMaxGoldenrod Posts: 1,341
    jdpancoast wrote:
    I think there is a solution here. Pearl Jam gives 10 dollars from every ticket to various unions from Wisconsin (yah, this probably means our prices will go up but thats ok). This would allow them to move the concert to make a political statement, while still benefiting the good people of Wisconsin without supporting that moronic government

    If the band were to announce that they were gonna give $10 (or any $) from my ticket to a union, count me out for the festival.

    Most unions already take enough money from those they are paid to represent. They don't need my $, they aren't going to represent me (I don't work for a corporation or government who they represent) nor do they care about my opinion (for what it's worth, I don't particularily care for the unions).

    While I don't necessarily agree with what is going on in the WI gov't (people do have the right to choose), I do believe that the role of the union has evolved considerably over the past 50 years. Is there really the need for a union in this day and age where there are numerous federal laws/programs in place to protect employees (union and non-union)?

    This is an argument that no one will win, and could diverge into a political discussion best debated over in another forum topic.
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,495
    jdpancoast wrote:
    I think there is a solution here. Pearl Jam gives 10 dollars from every ticket to various unions from Wisconsin (yah, this probably means our prices will go up but thats ok). This would allow them to move the concert to make a political statement, while still benefiting the good people of Wisconsin without supporting that moronic government

    This is probably the worst idea I have read in regards to ticket sales.
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  • InsideManInsideMan Posts: 261
    cincybearcat wrote:
    jdpancoast wrote:
    I think there is a solution here. Pearl Jam gives 10 dollars from every ticket to various unions from Wisconsin (yah, this probably means our prices will go up but thats ok). This would allow them to move the concert to make a political statement, while still benefiting the good people of Wisconsin without supporting that moronic government

    This is probably the worst idea I have read in regards to ticket sales.


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  • drsluggodrsluggo Posts: 4,742
    This probably needs to go to the AET forum... if we're going to say PJ shouldnt play a state with a politician that someone disagrees with there will be nowhere to go.

    They can come here to IL and watch the state continue to implode in economic malpractice if they'd like. ;)
  • MG79478MG79478 Posts: 1,674
    RiotAct10 wrote:
    As an Ohio resident and public school employee, who is going through this same crap right now, I have to disagree with you. Yeah, there are some ignorant people who elected the Wisconsin governor and my crappy governor, and now we are paying for it, mainly because these so called "independents" must have the shortest memory imaginable, and decided that rather than blame Bush and the Republicans in congress for all the stuff that went down from 2001-2009 to cause this mess, it must have been Obama and the Democrats who did it all from Jan. 2009 to November 2010, right?

    That's an interesting take on recent history. Bush wasn't the best president by any means, but given what we are currently stuck with he sure seems like it now! Life was pretty damn good from 2001-2009. Once the Democrats took control of congress in the last 2 years of Bush's term, things started to go downhill. The only thing good to have happened since Obama took over is that Jimmy Carter can now say he is no longer the worst president ever. You really don't seem to have a good understanding of what really has caused most of the problems in this country, and I can assure you that it wasn't George W Bush, despite what TV has told you. These problems have been growing since the days of FDR.
  • usamamasan1usamamasan1 Posts: 4,695
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    This thread sucks. At least everything other than what MG79478 said.
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  • HeavyHandsHeavyHands Posts: 2,130
    Black Diamond wrote:
    I am not spending my hard earned dollars on Wisconsin Tourism

    I hope the band will put their money where Ed's mouth is... And choose a different locale as well...

    Hopefully this gets worked out before ticket sales, because I would rather go to Canada if it doesn't

    Interesting point. Concerned people electing to not spend tourism monies in WI because of the ramifications of what is going on currently.

    BD you should contact WI's governmental leadership and express this exact sentiment.

    Regarding the (still fictional) "PJ20 at Alpine Valley," there could be a silver lining to going forward with it. Why not use it as an opportunity to register new voters? That would be a truly beneficial side product of things.

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  • RiotAct10RiotAct10 Ohio Posts: 1,632
    MG79478 wrote:
    RiotAct10 wrote:
    As an Ohio resident and public school employee, who is going through this same crap right now, I have to disagree with you. Yeah, there are some ignorant people who elected the Wisconsin governor and my crappy governor, and now we are paying for it, mainly because these so called "independents" must have the shortest memory imaginable, and decided that rather than blame Bush and the Republicans in congress for all the stuff that went down from 2001-2009 to cause this mess, it must have been Obama and the Democrats who did it all from Jan. 2009 to November 2010, right?

    That's an interesting take on recent history. Bush wasn't the best president by any means, but given what we are currently stuck with he sure seems like it now! Life was pretty damn good from 2001-2009. Once the Democrats took control of congress in the last 2 years of Bush's term, things started to go downhill. The only thing good to have happened since Obama took over is that Jimmy Carter can now say he is no longer the worst president ever. You really don't seem to have a good understanding of what really has caused most of the problems in this country, and I can assure you that it wasn't George W Bush, despite what TV has told you. These problems have been growing since the days of FDR.

    Really? So you're telling me, all the dereguliation that took place under Bush, wasn't that big a deal? The Enron's and Lehman Brothers and Citigroups and Bush being the President who originally bailed out the banks and car companies, wasn't that big a deal? The massive spending Bush did while taxing less therefore spending more and bringing in less, wasn't that big a deal? The Eight years that he was President did not cause any of the problems, right? But Obama took office in January of 2009, didn't really get to enact any sort of laws or budgets of much significance until probably the spring of that year, so two years at most, one and a half more realistically, and it's all his fault? I'll go read my history books, why don't you go read your economic books, and realize things don't happen over night. Bush's policies (as well as Clinton, Bush I, Reagan, etc.) are still effecting this country probably more so that what has happened in the last two years. If there were an easy fix, Obama would have done it by now. It took years and years to get us in this mess, and it will take awhile to get out. But... it's all the new guy's fault. Right?
    words seem so out of place.

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  • Johnny AbruzzoJohnny Abruzzo Philly Posts: 11,778
    MG79478 wrote:
    That's an interesting take on recent history. Bush wasn't the best president by any means, but given what we are currently stuck with he sure seems like it now! Life was pretty damn good from 2001-2009. Once the Democrats took control of congress in the last 2 years of Bush's term, things started to go downhill. The only thing good to have happened since Obama took over is that Jimmy Carter can now say he is no longer the worst president ever. You really don't seem to have a good understanding of what really has caused most of the problems in this country, and I can assure you that it wasn't George W Bush, despite what TV has told you. These problems have been growing since the days of FDR.

    This is priceless. "Life was pretty damn good from 2001-2009."

    Let's see: $1 trillion war started on false premises, totally incompetent response to a natural disaster, gutting of the EPA, creation of a new entitlement benefit pandering to senior citizens & rX companies (that cost more than pretty much all Obama spending so far), complete collapse of the economy...

    Yeah, it was fucking awesome. :roll:
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  • U R A Crazy BreedU R A Crazy Breed Posts: 8,370
    I agree 100%....there are some things even more important than music!! FREEDOM & Workers rights are definitely 2 of them!!! fucking politicians wanna turn us all into slaves like in China, the corporate whore fuck bags!!

    There was a time when this band wouldn't think of playing there with this bullshit going on......but since Target & Obama i'm not sure anymore.....guess we will have to wait and see.
  • BeerBaronBeerBaron Toronto-ish Posts: 4,097
    MaxGoldenrod wrote:
    If the band were to announce that they were gonna give $10 (or any $) from my ticket to a union, count me out for the festival.

    .
    Me too. I don't think there is any place for unions in the year 2011. They had their time and place back in the day, but they no longer serve their purpose.
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  • RedMosquito22RedMosquito22 Posts: 8,158
    Black Diamond wrote:
    I am not spending my hard earned dollars on Wisconsin Tourism

    I hope the band will put their money where Ed's mouth is... And choose a different locale as well...

    Hopefully this gets worked out before ticket sales, because I would rather go to Canada if it doesn't

    Don't count on it. If they boycotted every state where teachers and state employees weren't being paid fairly, they wouldn't play anywhere.

    Everyone calls teachers glorified babysitters, yet they don't even get paid what babysitters get paid. They get paid an average of $1.87 per child per hour. I don't think babysitters would watch anyone's kid for four hours and be happy with less than $8
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  • Johnny AbruzzoJohnny Abruzzo Philly Posts: 11,778
    BeerBaron wrote:
    MaxGoldenrod wrote:
    If the band were to announce that they were gonna give $10 (or any $) from my ticket to a union, count me out for the festival.

    .
    Me too. I don't think there is any place for unions in the year 2011. They had their time and place back in the day, but they no longer serve their purpose.

    Read this and tell me there is still no purpose for unions:
    http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20110228_Problems_persist_at_South_Philadelphia_railcar_plant.html

    Of course, I still disagree with giving Pearl Jam ticket money to any union. They should have enough from their workers.
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  • U R A Crazy BreedU R A Crazy Breed Posts: 8,370
    BeerBaron wrote:
    MaxGoldenrod wrote:
    If the band were to announce that they were gonna give $10 (or any $) from my ticket to a union, count me out for the festival.

    .
    Me too. I don't think there is any place for unions in the year 2011. They had their time and place back in the day, but they no longer serve their purpose.

    R U OUT OF YOUR FUCKING MIND?!!! WE need MORE unions not less!!!! granted they have been infiltrated and corrupted like everything else....but they just need to be cleaned up, not done away with!!
  • SPEEDY MCCREADYSPEEDY MCCREADY Posts: 25,749
    Never mix your politics with your music.......


    The only way I wouldnt be at Alpine this summer, is if Pearl Jam decided to have these concerts, and donate all the proceeds to 3 convicted child murderers.....






















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  • SPEEDY MCCREADYSPEEDY MCCREADY Posts: 25,749
    Ill tell ya what....
    I have plenty of friends who work for the State of Illinois.....And they all have one thing in common.....

    They will ALL tell you how much they screw the State.....

    "I only work 3 hours a day, and get paid for 8"
    "I show up 2 hours late and get paid for it"
    "I leave 3 hours early and get paid for it"
    "Im gonna retire at 50, and get a full pension....for doing nothing"

    EVERY single one of my friends who works for the State of Illinois has this attitude........

    Personally....I hope they all lose their fucking jobs.....
    Take me piece by piece.....
    Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
  • krobbinzkrobbinz Posts: 187
    Black Diamond wrote:
    I am not spending my hard earned dollars on Wisconsin Tourism

    I hope the band will put their money where Ed's mouth is... And choose a different locale as well...

    Hopefully this gets worked out before ticket sales, because I would rather go to Canada if it doesn't


    As a member of the AFT, I would love for PJ to come to Wisconsin now more then ever! I couldnt imangine a better, bigger rally then that of a Pearl Jam concert.

    If this measure passes, it will set up dozens and dozens of other states to follow suit!
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  • RedMosquito02RedMosquito02 Posts: 2,560
    MG79478 wrote:
    RiotAct10 wrote:
    As an Ohio resident and public school employee, who is going through this same crap right now, I have to disagree with you. Yeah, there are some ignorant people who elected the Wisconsin governor and my crappy governor, and now we are paying for it, mainly because these so called "independents" must have the shortest memory imaginable, and decided that rather than blame Bush and the Republicans in congress for all the stuff that went down from 2001-2009 to cause this mess, it must have been Obama and the Democrats who did it all from Jan. 2009 to November 2010, right?

    That's an interesting take on recent history. Bush wasn't the best president by any means, but given what we are currently stuck with he sure seems like it now! Life was pretty damn good from 2001-2009. Once the Democrats took control of congress in the last 2 years of Bush's term, things started to go downhill. The only thing good to have happened since Obama took over is that Jimmy Carter can now say he is no longer the worst president ever. You really don't seem to have a good understanding of what really has caused most of the problems in this country, and I can assure you that it wasn't George W Bush, despite what TV has told you. These problems have been growing since the days of FDR.

    "Bush wasn't the best president by any means, but given what we are currently stuck with he sure seems like it now. Life was pretty damn good from 2001-2009." BAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA!!!!

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  • drsluggodrsluggo Posts: 4,742
    SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:
    Ill tell ya what....
    I have plenty of friends who work for the State of Illinois.....And they all have one thing in common.....

    They will ALL tell you how much they screw the State.....

    "I only work 3 hours a day, and get paid for 8"
    "I show up 2 hours late and get paid for it"
    "I leave 3 hours early and get paid for it"
    "Im gonna retire at 50, and get a full pension....for doing nothing"

    EVERY single one of my friends who works for the State of Illinois has this attitude........

    Personally....I hope they all lose their fucking jobs.....
    It's true...

    My wife is a teacher here and even though she does a great job, there are a TON of older teachers that just do worksheets all day and collect a LOT of money. Yeah, teachers are probably not paid what they should be, but when you look at the hours per year vs salary its not THAT bad. And the pension... its insanely good... except that most states don't have the $$ to fulfill their obligations there.

    Unions are just as evil as the corporations though - they are out for their interests just as the employers are out for theirs. And in WI the unions are exploiting teachers because they know the public wont be sympathetic with most other state workers not getting their bumps that are higher than most private workers while accepting a huge pension that most private workers won't get anymore either.
  • PJ_LukinPJ_Lukin Posts: 2,055
    edited March 2011
    Just move the fucking thing to New York and get it over with. Stop the dicking around with some state that 90% of Americans couldn't find on a map if you took 40 states away. :lol:
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  • wiscojamwiscojam Appleton Posts: 343
    If the poromoters of the show and owners of the venue contributed to Scott Walker's campaign, would you boycott the whole show?
  • U R A Crazy BreedU R A Crazy Breed Posts: 8,370
    PJ_Lukin wrote:
    Just move the fucking thing to New York and get it over with. Stop the dicking around with some state that 90% of Americans couldn't find on a map if you took 40 states away. :lol:


    :lol::lol::lol:+ 1
  • iamicaiamica Chicago Posts: 2,628
    MG79478 wrote:
    RiotAct10 wrote:
    As an Ohio resident and public school employee, who is going through this same crap right now, I have to disagree with you. Yeah, there are some ignorant people who elected the Wisconsin governor and my crappy governor, and now we are paying for it, mainly because these so called "independents" must have the shortest memory imaginable, and decided that rather than blame Bush and the Republicans in congress for all the stuff that went down from 2001-2009 to cause this mess, it must have been Obama and the Democrats who did it all from Jan. 2009 to November 2010, right?

    That's an interesting take on recent history. Bush wasn't the best president by any means, but given what we are currently stuck with he sure seems like it now! Life was pretty damn good from 2001-2009. Once the Democrats took control of congress in the last 2 years of Bush's term, things started to go downhill. The only thing good to have happened since Obama took over is that Jimmy Carter can now say he is no longer the worst president ever. You really don't seem to have a good understanding of what really has caused most of the problems in this country, and I can assure you that it wasn't George W Bush, despite what TV has told you. These problems have been growing since the days of FDR.

    "Life was pretty damn good from 2001-2009"? Dude, what are you smoking?
    The Patriot Act, the neverending war in Iraq, the failed response to Hurricane Katrina...I could go on, but if you think we're worse off now than we were under Bush, you're seriously mistaken.
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  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 10,886
    MG79478 wrote:
    RiotAct10 wrote:
    As an Ohio resident and public school employee, who is going through this same crap right now, I have to disagree with you. Yeah, there are some ignorant people who elected the Wisconsin governor and my crappy governor, and now we are paying for it, mainly because these so called "independents" must have the shortest memory imaginable, and decided that rather than blame Bush and the Republicans in congress for all the stuff that went down from 2001-2009 to cause this mess, it must have been Obama and the Democrats who did it all from Jan. 2009 to November 2010, right?

    That's an interesting take on recent history. Bush wasn't the best president by any means, but given what we are currently stuck with he sure seems like it now! Life was pretty damn good from 2001-2009. Once the Democrats took control of congress in the last 2 years of Bush's term, things started to go downhill. The only thing good to have happened since Obama took over is that Jimmy Carter can now say he is no longer the worst president ever. You really don't seem to have a good understanding of what really has caused most of the problems in this country, and I can assure you that it wasn't George W Bush, despite what TV has told you. These problems have been growing since the days of FDR.


    is that you Rush? Bill? Sean? Glen??
    or Maybe you're Dick Cheney or Karl Rove??
    Must be one of you or maybe you're Sarah Palin because certainly no one else would believe what you said.
  • MG79478MG79478 Posts: 1,674
    Johnny Abruzzo wrote:
    This is priceless. "Life was pretty damn good from 2001-2009."

    Let's see: $1 trillion war started on false premises, totally incompetent response to a natural disaster, gutting of the EPA, creation of a new entitlement benefit pandering to senior citizens & rX companies (that cost more than pretty much all Obama spending so far), complete collapse of the economy...

    Yeah, it was fucking awesome. :roll:

    Bush wasn't perfect, but your response reeks of main stream media drivel. You are grossly misinformed on Obama's spending vs all other presidents combined. I could spend all day correcting you, but I don't think you will listen. But one thing really gets me is the natural disasters. I can't believe anyone out there still spouts this stuff. Which natural disaster were you referring to? The one where the people had days of warning and refused to leave, then the Democrat governor of the state, who was responsible for the disaster botched the aftermath, and the federal government had to swing in to help? Or are you talking Obama's response to the much worse Iowa floods or the gulf oil spill? How about Obama's response to the Ft Hood terrorist attack? Bush's Katrina response was light years faster than Obama's response to the much worse disasters.
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