If The WI Teachers/State Empoyees Get Screwed (PJ Related)

Black Diamond

I am not spending my hard earned dollars on Wisconsin Tourism

I hope the band will put their money where Ed's mouth is... And choose a different locale as well...

Hopefully this gets worked out before ticket sales, because I would rather go to Canada if it doesn't

Jerome230

Black Diamond wrote:

I am not spending my hard earned dollars on Wisconsin Tourism

I hope the band will put their money where Ed's mouth is... And choose a different locale as well...

Hopefully this gets worked out before ticket sales, because I would rather go to Canada if it doesn't

It would be a shame to have the citizens of Wisconsin suffer any more because of some bad eggs in their government. That would be like when the Pixies boycotted playing Israel because of their government, ultimately taking it out on fans.

Leash_In_Hiding

Good Call +1

PJ_Lukin

Jerome230 wrote:

Black Diamond wrote:

I am not spending my hard earned dollars on Wisconsin Tourism

I hope the band will put their money where Ed's mouth is... And choose a different locale as well...

Hopefully this gets worked out before ticket sales, because I would rather go to Canada if it doesn't

It would be a shame to have the citizens of Wisconsin suffer any more because of some bad eggs in their government. That would be like when the Pixies boycotted playing Israel because of their government, ultimately taking it out on fans.

It isn't like the Wisconsin fans can't go to another state. After all, everyone else is expected to go to a state they do not call home. Besides, the residents of Wisconsin brought this on themselves, they voted for a tea party guy.

Pearl Jam could make an Anti tea party statement.... just like the good old pre-Obama days!

RiotAct10

As an Ohio resident and public school employee, who is going through this same crap right now, I have to disagree with you. Yeah, there are some ignorant people who elected the Wisconsin governor and my crappy governor, and now we are paying for it, mainly because these so called "independents" must have the shortest memory imaginable, and decided that rather than blame Bush and the Republicans in congress for all the stuff that went down from 2001-2009 to cause this mess, it must have been Obama and the Democrats who did it all from Jan. 2009 to November 2010, right?

But the point is, you could probably pick any state, and the guys in Pearl Jam could have a political issue with something going on there. As a band, I do not think it would be fair to punish a state for something like this. If anything they could play a benefit show or a rally there. But trust me, people in Wisconsin and Ohio and other states going through this BS right now, we aren't all morons, we don't all support this crap, and it's sort of unfair to throw us all in the same boat.

jdpancoast

I think there is a solution here. Pearl Jam gives 10 dollars from every ticket to various unions from Wisconsin (yah, this probably means our prices will go up but thats ok). This would allow them to move the concert to make a political statement, while still benefiting the good people of Wisconsin without supporting that moronic government

MaxGoldenrod

jdpancoast wrote:

I think there is a solution here. Pearl Jam gives 10 dollars from every ticket to various unions from Wisconsin (yah, this probably means our prices will go up but thats ok). This would allow them to move the concert to make a political statement, while still benefiting the good people of Wisconsin without supporting that moronic government

If the band were to announce that they were gonna give $10 (or any $) from my ticket to a union, count me out for the festival.

Most unions already take enough money from those they are paid to represent. They don't need my $, they aren't going to represent me (I don't work for a corporation or government who they represent) nor do they care about my opinion (for what it's worth, I don't particularily care for the unions).

While I don't necessarily agree with what is going on in the WI gov't (people do have the right to choose), I do believe that the role of the union has evolved considerably over the past 50 years. Is there really the need for a union in this day and age where there are numerous federal laws/programs in place to protect employees (union and non-union)?

This is an argument that no one will win, and could diverge into a political discussion best debated over in another forum topic.

cincybearcat

jdpancoast wrote:

I think there is a solution here. Pearl Jam gives 10 dollars from every ticket to various unions from Wisconsin (yah, this probably means our prices will go up but thats ok). This would allow them to move the concert to make a political statement, while still benefiting the good people of Wisconsin without supporting that moronic government

This is probably the worst idea I have read in regards to ticket sales.

InsideMan

cincybearcat wrote:

jdpancoast wrote:

I think there is a solution here. Pearl Jam gives 10 dollars from every ticket to various unions from Wisconsin (yah, this probably means our prices will go up but thats ok). This would allow them to move the concert to make a political statement, while still benefiting the good people of Wisconsin without supporting that moronic government

This is probably the worst idea I have read in regards to ticket sales.

+1

drsluggo

This probably needs to go to the AET forum... if we're going to say PJ shouldnt play a state with a politician that someone disagrees with there will be nowhere to go.

They can come here to IL and watch the state continue to implode in economic malpractice if they'd like.

MG79478

RiotAct10 wrote:

As an Ohio resident and public school employee, who is going through this same crap right now, I have to disagree with you. Yeah, there are some ignorant people who elected the Wisconsin governor and my crappy governor, and now we are paying for it, mainly because these so called "independents" must have the shortest memory imaginable, and decided that rather than blame Bush and the Republicans in congress for all the stuff that went down from 2001-2009 to cause this mess, it must have been Obama and the Democrats who did it all from Jan. 2009 to November 2010, right?

That's an interesting take on recent history. Bush wasn't the best president by any means, but given what we are currently stuck with he sure seems like it now! Life was pretty damn good from 2001-2009. Once the Democrats took control of congress in the last 2 years of Bush's term, things started to go downhill. The only thing good to have happened since Obama took over is that Jimmy Carter can now say he is no longer the worst president ever. You really don't seem to have a good understanding of what really has caused most of the problems in this country, and I can assure you that it wasn't George W Bush, despite what TV has told you. These problems have been growing since the days of FDR.

usamamasan1

This thread sucks. At least everything other than what MG79478 said.

HeavyHands

Black Diamond wrote:

I am not spending my hard earned dollars on Wisconsin Tourism

I hope the band will put their money where Ed's mouth is... And choose a different locale as well...

Hopefully this gets worked out before ticket sales, because I would rather go to Canada if it doesn't

Interesting point. Concerned people electing to not spend tourism monies in WI because of the ramifications of what is going on currently.

BD you should contact WI's governmental leadership and express this exact sentiment.

Regarding the (still fictional) "PJ20 at Alpine Valley," there could be a silver lining to going forward with it. Why not use it as an opportunity to register new voters? That would be a truly beneficial side product of things.

H^2

Also: Oooooooo Ooooooooooooooooooooooo blaaaack Diiiiii-MOND!

RiotAct10

MG79478 wrote:

RiotAct10 wrote:

As an Ohio resident and public school employee, who is going through this same crap right now, I have to disagree with you. Yeah, there are some ignorant people who elected the Wisconsin governor and my crappy governor, and now we are paying for it, mainly because these so called "independents" must have the shortest memory imaginable, and decided that rather than blame Bush and the Republicans in congress for all the stuff that went down from 2001-2009 to cause this mess, it must have been Obama and the Democrats who did it all from Jan. 2009 to November 2010, right?

That's an interesting take on recent history. Bush wasn't the best president by any means, but given what we are currently stuck with he sure seems like it now! Life was pretty damn good from 2001-2009. Once the Democrats took control of congress in the last 2 years of Bush's term, things started to go downhill. The only thing good to have happened since Obama took over is that Jimmy Carter can now say he is no longer the worst president ever. You really don't seem to have a good understanding of what really has caused most of the problems in this country, and I can assure you that it wasn't George W Bush, despite what TV has told you. These problems have been growing since the days of FDR.

Really? So you're telling me, all the dereguliation that took place under Bush, wasn't that big a deal? The Enron's and Lehman Brothers and Citigroups and Bush being the President who originally bailed out the banks and car companies, wasn't that big a deal? The massive spending Bush did while taxing less therefore spending more and bringing in less, wasn't that big a deal? The Eight years that he was President did not cause any of the problems, right? But Obama took office in January of 2009, didn't really get to enact any sort of laws or budgets of much significance until probably the spring of that year, so two years at most, one and a half more realistically, and it's all his fault? I'll go read my history books, why don't you go read your economic books, and realize things don't happen over night. Bush's policies (as well as Clinton, Bush I, Reagan, etc.) are still effecting this country probably more so that what has happened in the last two years. If there were an easy fix, Obama would have done it by now. It took years and years to get us in this mess, and it will take awhile to get out. But... it's all the new guy's fault. Right?

Johnny Abruzzo

MG79478 wrote:

That's an interesting take on recent history. Bush wasn't the best president by any means, but given what we are currently stuck with he sure seems like it now! Life was pretty damn good from 2001-2009. Once the Democrats took control of congress in the last 2 years of Bush's term, things started to go downhill. The only thing good to have happened since Obama took over is that Jimmy Carter can now say he is no longer the worst president ever. You really don't seem to have a good understanding of what really has caused most of the problems in this country, and I can assure you that it wasn't George W Bush, despite what TV has told you. These problems have been growing since the days of FDR.

This is priceless. "Life was pretty damn good from 2001-2009."

Let's see: $1 trillion war started on false premises, totally incompetent response to a natural disaster, gutting of the EPA, creation of a new entitlement benefit pandering to senior citizens & rX companies (that cost more than pretty much all Obama spending so far), complete collapse of the economy...

Yeah, it was fucking awesome. :roll:

U R A Crazy Breed

I agree 100%....there are some things even more important than music!! FREEDOM & Workers rights are definitely 2 of them!!! fucking politicians wanna turn us all into slaves like in China, the corporate whore fuck bags!!

There was a time when this band wouldn't think of playing there with this bullshit going on......but since Target & Obama i'm not sure anymore.....guess we will have to wait and see.

BeerBaron

MaxGoldenrod wrote:

If the band were to announce that they were gonna give $10 (or any $) from my ticket to a union, count me out for the festival.

.

Me too. I don't think there is any place for unions in the year 2011. They had their time and place back in the day, but they no longer serve their purpose.

RedMosquito22

Black Diamond wrote:

I am not spending my hard earned dollars on Wisconsin Tourism

I hope the band will put their money where Ed's mouth is... And choose a different locale as well...

Hopefully this gets worked out before ticket sales, because I would rather go to Canada if it doesn't

Don't count on it. If they boycotted every state where teachers and state employees weren't being paid fairly, they wouldn't play anywhere.

Everyone calls teachers glorified babysitters, yet they don't even get paid what babysitters get paid. They get paid an average of $1.87 per child per hour. I don't think babysitters would watch anyone's kid for four hours and be happy with less than $8

Johnny Abruzzo

BeerBaron wrote:

MaxGoldenrod wrote:

If the band were to announce that they were gonna give $10 (or any $) from my ticket to a union, count me out for the festival.

.

Me too. I don't think there is any place for unions in the year 2011. They had their time and place back in the day, but they no longer serve their purpose.

Read this and tell me there is still no purpose for unions:
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20110228_Problems_persist_at_South_Philadelphia_railcar_plant.html

Of course, I still disagree with giving Pearl Jam ticket money to any union. They should have enough from their workers.

U R A Crazy Breed

BeerBaron wrote:

MaxGoldenrod wrote:

If the band were to announce that they were gonna give $10 (or any $) from my ticket to a union, count me out for the festival.

.

Me too. I don't think there is any place for unions in the year 2011. They had their time and place back in the day, but they no longer serve their purpose.

R U OUT OF YOUR FUCKING MIND?!!! WE need MORE unions not less!!!! granted they have been infiltrated and corrupted like everything else....but they just need to be cleaned up, not done away with!!

SPEEDY MCCREADY

Never mix your politics with your music.......


The only way I wouldnt be at Alpine this summer, is if Pearl Jam decided to have these concerts, and donate all the proceeds to 3 convicted child murderers.....






















Oh Wait.....
hehehehehehehehehehehe