Why isn't abortion considered murder?

he still stands

zarocat wrote:

he still stands wrote:

Life begins when the first cell divides... hours after procreation.

So, why isn't contraception murder?

Seriously speaking, is that a joke ? You're being sarcastic, right ?

well, technically... I'm being facetious. But yes it is a joke. Scarily enough, there are plenty of religious zealots and pro-lifers who actually believe that.

fuck

HeidiJam wrote:

Why isn't abortion considered murder? for those of you that are pro-choice I would like you to define your logic...

murder is killing another human being. when do you think it becomes a human being? the moment the egg is fertilized? would be a weird definition if so. and why the hell did you not use the search bar? this topic has been debated to death on this forum. everyone's opinion is well known. you also failed to provide any rationale to your view, probably on purpose since you likely intended on just writing something extremely provoking and basically declaring "FIGHT!" you might as well be wearing boxing gloves while typing. this is all also probably due to the fact that you're upset that people were exposing your horrible miserly and unsympathetic views in the other thread.

mikepegg44

Well, wouldn't you call it self defense if I was forcing you to gain weight, have health problems, cause you immense amounts of pain, possibly kill you, possibly confine you to a bed for up to 9 months, forcing you to feed, clothe, house me and completely change your life...and numerous other side affects, I believe you would be justified in murdering me if it was the only way to make me stop, (see abusive husband defense) so...following that wouldn't abortion be justified murder?

so fine, a fetus is a human, but a human that is causing damage to another that can be irreversible...seems like justifiable homicide to me.

not sure if I described the best way possible, but I think you can get the spirit of the argument

I myself would never want anyone to have an abortion, but their life isn't up to me.

Cosmo

HeidiJam wrote:

Why isn't abortion considered murder? for those of you that are pro-choice I would like you to define your logic...

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If there is ONE thing you take from this... let it be this:
Pro-Choice is NOT Pro-Abortion.
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Submit this to memory... recall it when the topic of abortion arises.
Thank you.

Sidnum

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJcebIEOkhY



"You're not human til you're in my phone book." -Bill Hicks

BinauralJam

he still stands wrote:

Life begins when the first cell divides... hours after procreation.

So, why isn't contraception murder?

and sperm has the capability to produce this life... so why don't we prosecute men who jagoff?

I'M A MASS MURDERER!!!

Blockhead

So then why do we have signs up around beaches that say "don't disturb the sea turle nest" same goes for animals going extinct?

blackredyellow

HeidiJam wrote:

So then why do we have signs up around beaches that say "don't disturb the sea turle nest" same goes for animals going extinct?

This reminds me of an argument that Charlie Sheen would use for something.

Blockhead

blackredyellow wrote:

HeidiJam wrote:

So then why do we have signs up around beaches that say "don't disturb the sea turle nest" same goes for animals going extinct?

This reminds me of an argument that Charlie Sheen would use for something.

I am just trying to figure out what we are trying to protect???

Cosmo

HeidiJam wrote:

blackredyellow wrote:

HeidiJam wrote:

So then why do we have signs up around beaches that say "don't disturb the sea turle nest" same goes for animals going extinct?

This reminds me of an argument that Charlie Sheen would use for something.

I am just trying to figure out what we are trying to protect???

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Sea Turtles?

Blockhead

Cosmo wrote:

HeidiJam wrote:

I am just trying to figure out what we are trying to protect???

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Sea Turtles?

where, theres just eggs (embryos) there. There not turtles, so why do we need to protect them?

pandora

There is no going back and changing history.

A mother has the right to choose whether to give birth to her child,
this is now the law.

In my opinion ....yes, it is legalized murder. But she has this right to choose.

Having had an abortion at age 16 just months before Roe vs Wade,
which ironically was decided on my birthday Jan 22nd....

it became very clear to me it was murder. Not something I would wish to ever do again nor
on my worst enemy. It was heart wrenching and damning.

But it was my choice. One I have lived with and will die with.
My child would be 38 this June.


Capital punishment is also legalized murder.

zarocat

HeidiJam wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

HeidiJam wrote:

I am just trying to figure out what we are trying to protect???

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Sea Turtles?

where, theres just eggs (embryos) there. There not turtles, so why do we need to protect them?

(You do realize that this question has nothing to do with aborting a developing person, right ?)

Because their a threaten species.

My brain hurts.

Blockhead

zarocat wrote:

HeidiJam wrote:

where, theres just eggs (embryos) there. There not turtles, so why do we need to protect them?

(You do realize that this question has nothing to do with aborting a developing person, right ?)

Because were running out of turtles.

according to you a turtle egg(embryo) is not a turtle, right?

zarocat

HeidiJam wrote:

zarocat wrote:

HeidiJam wrote:

where, theres just eggs (embryos) there. There not turtles, so why do we need to protect them?

(You do realize that this question has nothing to do with aborting a developing person, right ?)

Because were running out of turtles.

according to you a turtle egg(embryo) is not a turtle, right?

right

HA30208

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWaOO3rMWUk

The answer is at 2:23...

Blockhead

HA30208 wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWaOO3rMWUk

The answer is at 2:23...

clifs?
Can't watch at work.

Cosmo

HeidiJam wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

HeidiJam wrote:

I am just trying to figure out what we are trying to protect???

...
Sea Turtles?

where, theres just eggs (embryos) there. There not turtles, so why do we need to protect them?

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Don't you already know the answer to this?
We protect Sea Turtles because they are at risk of extinction... as a result of what humans are doing to their environment. Nothing to do with abortion. You ask for our logic... then apply this sort of ill-logic?
Maybe is Mankind were on the verge of extinction... your logic would apply. But, since we are growing in numbers, we are not an endangered species.
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Now... do you use your anti-abortion logic on China, India and Africa? It'd be great if abortions weren't allowed there, right?

Blockhead

Cosmo wrote:

Don't you already know the answer to this?
We protect Sea Turtles because they are at risk of extinction... as a result of what humans are doing to their environment. Nothing to do with abortion. You ask for our logic... then apply this sort of ill-logic?
Maybe is Mankind were on the verge of extinction... your logic would apply. But, since we are growing in numbers, we are not an endangered species.
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Now... do you use your anti-abortion logic to China, India and Africa? It'd be great if abortions weren't allowed there, right?

Sorry buddy my logic is fine. Why are your protecting eggs (embryos) since they are not turtles? just like someone said earlier that human embryos are not human.

Cosmo

HeidiJam wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

Don't you already know the answer to this?
We protect Sea Turtles because they are at risk of extinction... as a result of what humans are doing to their environment. Nothing to do with abortion. You ask for our logic... then apply this sort of ill-logic?
Maybe is Mankind were on the verge of extinction... your logic would apply. But, since we are growing in numbers, we are not an endangered species.
...
Now... do you use your anti-abortion logic to China, India and Africa? It'd be great if abortions weren't allowed there, right?

Sorry buddy my logic is fine. Why are your protecting eggs (embryos) since they are not turtles? just like someone said earlier that human embryos are not human.

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Point taken... not agreed with, but taken.
Now... how about answering my question... what about China, india and Africa? Are you opposed to abortion in China, India and Africa? This is a simple 'Yes or No' question.