Please Pearl Jam, consider a VINYL Benaroya Hall re-issue!

Zod

pjradio wrote:

RobbyD462 wrote:

They are reissuing Mad Season,Blind Melon and Counting Crows(August...) on RSD.

Pre-ordered the Mad Season...can't wait

On the fence about the Blind Melon, but will probably pick it up anyway

They released a limited edition Counting Crows August on 2LPs, 200gram, 45rpm months ago. The RSD release is going to be 1LP, 180gram

I prefer the 33rpm audiophile records. 45rpm causes way to much record flipping I have a blue copy of ride the lightning, and am always bitching at how often I to flip the records on it.

I might buy this version of august...

Leezestarr313

Saturday night bump :wave:

Leezestarr313

Just stumbled upon this article. It says "Last year's vinyl-record sales were the highest they've been in 15 years."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/10/vinyl-record-sales_n_3053364.html?utm_hp_ref=detroit&ir=Detroit

Now get that money printer rolling and re-issue some of your finest, PJ I'd be eternally thankful.

Newch91

PLEASE PEARL JAM!

Leezestarr313

Newch91 wrote:

PLEASE PEARL JAM!

with a cherry on top

pjradio

Zod wrote:

pjradio wrote:

RobbyD462 wrote:

They are reissuing Mad Season,Blind Melon and Counting Crows(August...) on RSD.

Pre-ordered the Mad Season...can't wait

On the fence about the Blind Melon, but will probably pick it up anyway

They released a limited edition Counting Crows August on 2LPs, 200gram, 45rpm months ago. The RSD release is going to be 1LP, 180gram

I prefer the 33rpm audiophile records. 45rpm causes way to much record flipping I have a blue copy of ride the lightning, and am always bitching at how often I to flip the records on it.

I might buy this version of august...

excellent point about the flipping....sounds great though!

Zod

Leezestarr313 wrote:

Just stumbled upon this article. It says "Last year's vinyl-record sales were the highest they've been in 15 years."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/10/vinyl-record-sales_n_3053364.html?utm_hp_ref=detroit&ir=Detroit

Now get that money printer rolling and re-issue some of your finest, PJ I'd be eternally thankful.

I was rather shocked it said in 15 years which made it 1997. I don't recall vinyl being as popular now as it was in 1997?

Leezestarr313

Zod wrote:

Leezestarr313 wrote:

Just stumbled upon this article. It says "Last year's vinyl-record sales were the highest they've been in 15 years."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/10/vinyl-record-sales_n_3053364.html?utm_hp_ref=detroit&ir=Detroit

Now get that money printer rolling and re-issue some of your finest, PJ I'd be eternally thankful.

I was rather shocked it said in 15 years which made it 1997. I don't recall vinyl being as popular now as it was in 1997?

Hm. I wouldn't know, really. Maybe because of DJs? In 1997, nobody used files for dj-ing. Most of the DJs I know still to this day use lps. And they have done so back then. We have a local record store here that has a whole room full of electronica vinyl, mostly singles. He doesn't buy that kind of music any more, but we talked about it and he said back in the days, his store was crowded by DJs who needed new stuff again and again and again... Now nobody hardly ever buys stuff like that and the DJs are gone.

Here are more numbers
http://www.spin.com/articles/vinyl-sales-boom-177-million-record-1997?utm_source=spintwitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=spintwitter
I don't think OK Computer alone was responsible for increased vinyl sales :think:

CAVSTARR313

RSD bump..

Leezestarr313

My birthday is in May - I'd love one of these

Bumparoola - I hope everybody has a nice weekend :wave:

ckravitz

mfc2006 wrote:

The only way I'll ever own this is if they reissue it!

:!: :!:

ckravitz

RobbyD462 wrote:

More fans the merrier the original is already their for the collectors
now give an issue for the Fans!

And this statement is all there is to say about the "it will hurt the collector" argument. The "real" Benny and the reissued Benny would never be confused for one another (pretty easy to tell Ten and Ten re-issue apart, no?) and the folks buying the reissue would be doing so to LISTEN TO IT (crazy, I know).

If the value of the original stems from the fact that it is denying the masses a listen, then that's disappointing. You'd like to believe that its value stems from just being rare and unique.... in which case a reproduction would have minimal, if any, impact on the value of the original.

RobbyD462

Originals always keep their value!

This is for the fans and everyone else who can't justify $1000 record....
They could do a pre-order like they did with the reissue of the PJ20 DVD.

Please Reissue!!

Zod

ckravitz wrote:

RobbyD462 wrote:

More fans the merrier the original is already their for the collectors
now give an issue for the Fans!

And this statement is all there is to say about the "it will hurt the collector" argument. The "real" Benny and the reissued Benny would never be confused for one another (pretty easy to tell Ten and Ten re-issue apart, no?) and the folks buying the reissue would be doing so to LISTEN TO IT (crazy, I know).

If the value of the original stems from the fact that it is denying the masses a listen, then that's disappointing. You'd like to believe that its value stems from just being rare and unique.... in which case a reproduction would have minimal, if any, impact on the value of the original.

To be fair a reissue would make it less rare and unique. The new copies would be different, but there would be additional copies. A bunch of people who would of been into collecting the wine red vinyl version would make do with the black version. (Substitution effect).

If money is a measure of how collectible something is (because its how much someone is willing to pay to acquire the item), I wouldn't be surprised if Benaroya originals dropped below $500 in value if it was re-released. Mainly because there would be substitutes available, and why pay 1500 for a sealed original when you can pay 50 bux for a reissue. The substitute effect would lessen the collectable nature of the original.

I'm not saying if that's good or bad, just that I disagree with the post that vinyl reissues don't impact the collectable nature of the original. I'm kind of doubting the ebay sellers are going to get $150 to $200 for their original Mad Season records now that it's been reissued

ckravitz

Zod wrote:

ckravitz wrote:

RobbyD462 wrote:

More fans the merrier the original is already their for the collectors
now give an issue for the Fans!

And this statement is all there is to say about the "it will hurt the collector" argument. The "real" Benny and the reissued Benny would never be confused for one another (pretty easy to tell Ten and Ten re-issue apart, no?) and the folks buying the reissue would be doing so to LISTEN TO IT (crazy, I know).

If the value of the original stems from the fact that it is denying the masses a listen, then that's disappointing. You'd like to believe that its value stems from just being rare and unique.... in which case a reproduction would have minimal, if any, impact on the value of the original.

To be fair a reissue would make it less rare and unique. The new copies would be different, but there would be additional copies. A bunch of people who would of been into collecting the wine red vinyl version would make do with the black version. (Substitution effect).

If money is a measure of how collectible something is (because its how much someone is willing to pay to acquire the item), I wouldn't be surprised if Benaroya originals dropped below $500 in value if it was re-released. Mainly because there would be substitutes available, and why pay 1500 for a sealed original when you can pay 50 bux for a reissue. The substitute effect would lessen the collectable nature of the original.

I'm not saying if that's good or bad, just that I disagree with the post that vinyl reissues don't impact the collectable nature of the original. I'm kind of doubting the ebay sellers are going to get $150 to $200 for their original Mad Season records now that it's been reissued

Just to be clear, I don't necessarily disagree. My second paragraph was really meant to just be a commentary on the somewhat unique situation a rare "collectible" vinyl creates. Unlike a baseball card, vase, or painting (for example), the demand for a rare vinyl goes beyond the desire to have and display purely as a result of rarity. People also want them so that they can listen to them and I would argue this group is even larger than those that like to merely collect due to uniqueness. As a result, I am personally unsympathetic to collector value depreciation **WHEN** the value of the item is largely driven by demand from those that want to actually use it, which is why I mentioned IF the demand/value was based solely on being rare and unique, then a reissue wouldn't have any impact. We know this not to be the case, that actually the collectors realize value appreciation because others want it just to actually use. So yes, a reissue would have an impact.

Don't get me wrong, I don't mean to be anti-collector in any way. But I have ZERO sympathy for someone that picked up Benny for a few hundred dollars but rails against the reissue idea because it will drive their value down to 600 or whatever.

Leezestarr313

ckravitz wrote:

Don't get me wrong, I don't mean to be anti-collector in any way. But I have ZERO sympathy for someone that picked up Benny for a few hundred dollars but rails against the reissue idea because it will drive their value down to 600 or whatever.

:thumbup:
And I am not anti-collector either. In fact, I am some kind of a collector myself, but I play all my vinyl. They could make the re-issue a little different, change the distribution of the songs on each side for example, to make it maybe also interesting for the 2000 who already have one. I am still of the opinion that a re-issue would not really lower the desirability of the original 2000. People who want to have the real deal will still be on the hunt. And who said that the stuff you are spending your money on will never change in value? This is one of the risks a collector has to take imho ...

mr_canada

Just reissue it already...along with all your releases. For a band who loves vinyl, I find it strange that they won't help their fans out.

As for the fact that it was sold as a limited item...they blew it when they reissued the limited PJ20 Deluxe Set.

Stop fucking the fans over.

Zod

ckravitz wrote:

As a result, I am personally unsympathetic to collector value depreciation **WHEN** the value of the item is largely driven by demand from those that want to actually use it, which is why I mentioned IF the demand/value was based solely on being rare and unique, then a reissue wouldn't have any impact.

I got that part. I did disagree with the last part there. Even if the value is derived from it being rare and unique, a reissue would still dig into that. If the thing were readily available (even if it the reissue was slightly different) its not as unique anymore. It's just two different points of view

Leezestarr313

Just coming home from a nice night out with friends and wishing we would have this to spin ... The mp3 will do for now. But dammit, this is such a freaking fantastic piece of music to listen to. Please think about releasing a vinyl re-issue of this, please! Thank you ...

Jeremys Spoken

Leezestarr313 wrote:

Just coming home from a nice night out with friends and wishing we would have this to spin ... The mp3 will do for now. But dammit, this is such a freaking fantastic piece of music to listen to. Please think about releasing a vinyl re-issue of this, please! Thank you ...