Does the Arizona killer change your mind...

BinauralJam

catefrances wrote:

i do know godfather. im telling you how id react. i see it as similair to those that say to me theres no atheists in a foxhole. and i can tell you without hesitation or doubt that if i was ever in a foxhole, there would absolutely be an atheist in it. dont try and second guess me when i know my own self.

I used to be just like this Cate, life showed me i was wrong.

catefrances

BinauralJam wrote:

catefrances wrote:

i do know godfather. im telling you how id react. i see it as similair to those that say to me theres no atheists in a foxhole. and i can tell you without hesitation or doubt that if i was ever in a foxhole, there would absolutely be an atheist in it. dont try and second guess me when i know my own self.

I used to be just like this Cate, life showed me i was wrong.

well interestingly enough life has shown me the opposite.

catefrances

LikeAnOcean wrote:

catefrances wrote:

DL136722 wrote:

It doesn't change my mind and I'm for the death penalty. Put it this way, what if this guy killed your daughter or son? Put it on a personal level - it's easy to say no death penalty from distance put if you ask the family that lost the 9yr. that got killed it would be interesting to hear the responses then....

i always put it that way. and this is always the argument that gets thrown at those of us who dont support the death penalty under any circumstance. and for me it doesnt change. why do you think it would? sure id be ropeable if my child was murdered.. sure id feel murderously vengeful.. and that would be the absolute grief talking. when i calmed myself enough to think, id know the death of my childs murderer wouldnt make me feel better and it wouldnt bring my child back.

If someone close to me was murdered, I would totally want the person responsible killed, if I couldn't do it myself. The death penalty just exposes human weakness. It's wrong, but I understand why we want it.

if as you say its wrong, why do you support it?

LikeAnOcean

catefrances wrote:

if as you say its wrong, why do you support it?

I don't support it anymore. I'm just not strongly opposed to it.

g under p

No it doesn't NOT one bit and that's even if that little girl that died was my own daughter. Does it change your mind or putting him to death will stop this kind of crime from happening again?

Peace

Pepe Silvia

Jason P wrote:

Pepe Silvia wrote:

i find it odd that so many are so up in arms about the deaths of 6 people while silent to all the deaths created by these last two presidents.....sure, what happened is a tragic thing but there's always stories about the military or drones killing more innocent people than this in a single incident and it's shrugged off.

and this is more reflective of our society than each individual here, it's just odd that the nation is so mad about this and not that we are killing so many more than that right now yet most still pledge their unwavering support for the people in charge who are keeping these wars, deaths and crimes going....where is all the outrage then? why do most have no problems coming up with excuses and rationalizations about those deaths?

Part of it has to do with proximity. If I'm watching the morning news during breakfast and hear a report of 250 people drowning because a ferry capsized in Thailand, I'll think "Man, that's horrible", pause, and then continue eating my cereal and probably forgetting about it for the rest of my life. But if the same thing happens in New York, I'm sure I would be tracking every detail of the story.

I call it the "holy shit, that could happen to me!" principle.

Same thing with the shooting, that could happen anywhere in America. If only there was a way to collect data and information on the shooter ... perhaps create a profile of his traits that could be used and combined with other lone shooters in the past to help identify patterns. But I guess that would be racist.

And another part of the story is that the troops are going after an enemy that would like nothing more then to see every blasphemous American (and German, Brit, Danish, etc) die a slow and painful death. The media doesn't report on civilian deaths very often. And some people don't feel sorry for collateral damage as long as it is limited and the majority of attacks kill the enemy.

but that doesn't explain the statistics showing more people in the military commit suicide than have died in both countries....their suicide rate is nearly double the national average.

catefrances

LikeAnOcean wrote:

catefrances wrote:

if as you say its wrong, why do you support it?

I don't support it anymore. I'm just not strongly opposed to it.

indifference is support.

LikeAnOcean

catefrances wrote:

LikeAnOcean wrote:

catefrances wrote:

if as you say its wrong, why do you support it?

I don't support it anymore. I'm just not strongly opposed to it.

indifference is support.

I would vote against it.

Byrnzie

unsung wrote:

Does the Arizona killer change your mind on the use of the death penalty? Or do you believe he is too mentally unstable for a standard guilty verdict?

I'd still oppose the death penalty whether he was found to be mentally unstable or mentally stable.

ed243421

anyone
who owns a gun
so they can kill an intruder
and is against the death penalty
but has voted for any president of this nation
that exists to fight wars
is a hypocrite
in my opinion

LikeAnOcean

ed243421 wrote:

anyone
who owns a gun
so they can kill an intruder
and is against the death penalty
but has voted for any president of this nation
that exists to fight wars
is a hypocrite
in my opinion

I don't own a gun, but somebody I grew up with last year broke into his ex-girlfriends home and shot and killed the parents.. I think people have the right to defend themselves. It's not always about revenge or payback or justice. The death penalty is primitive and about revenge. Owning a gun for self defense is a different beast.

pjhawks

and if those scumbags from that church that have been protesting at military funerals protest at the funeral of the 9 year old girl killed like they are talking about they should taken out as well. just sayin. the balls of some people. just because you have the right to be an ahole in this country doesn't mean you should always choose to do so.

Pepe Silvia

LikeAnOcean wrote:

Pepe Silvia wrote:

i find it odd that so many are so up in arms about the deaths of 6 people while silent to all the deaths created by these last two presidents.....sure, what happened is a tragic thing but there's always stories about the military or drones killing more innocent people than this in a single incident and it's shrugged off.

and this is more reflective of our society than each individual here, it's just odd that the nation is so mad about this and not that we are killing so many more than that right now yet most still pledge their unwavering support for the people in charge who are keeping these wars, deaths and crimes going....where is all the outrage then? why do most have no problems coming up with excuses and rationalizations about those deaths?

My problem with this thought is it makes the president damned if he does or damned if he doesn't.. Walking up to someone, putting a gun to their head and pulling the trigger is different than giving orders that may cause or may prevent deaths. George Bush is an idiot and I don't agree with 99% of what he says, but he's not a cold blooded killer.. Now Dick Cheney on the other hand..


Lets say you are elected president and we start getting attacked by another country. Do you do nothing because war would make you a murderer?.. Now with Bush, the reasons were much different, but at some level, they guy thought he was doing the right thing and if he could have his way cleanly without taking any lives, I'm sure he would have. It's our opionions that make him a murderer. Give him a gun, put him in the room with his "enemy" and I garuntee you he would not pull the trigger. 99% of us don't have the murdering gene in us. Indirect killing, probably.

If you do believe that the president is a cold blooded killer, then you do realize half of this country who agrees with his orders are cold blooded killers as well.

i wouldn't call an obama or bush supporter a cold blooded killer' but i'd say both definitely have blood on their hands. it is your/their support that things like this are happening. obama always said he'd escalate the war in afghanistan so i really don't understand why 99% of his supporters seem so dumbfounded now?

and to think of all the vicious attacks by obama supporters against anyone who dared to say these very things would happen under his presidency only to find them not making a peep about things they made relentless posts about for 8 years under bush. where's the daily "bring them the fuck home NOW!!!' threads? where's those threads about violation of civil rights? nuclear power? the patriot act?

fuck, i made a thread about obama picking an exec from jp morgan chase to be his chief of staff and none of his supporters had a thing to say and i guarantee you the majority of them will vote for him next time regardless of what a scam and empty marketing he was

so yeah, while i wouldn't call you a cold blooded killer i'd say a lot of the blame lies on the people who voted for these crooks and continue to support them