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edited January 2011 in A Moving Train
On the use of the death penalty? Or do you believe he is too mentally unstable for a standard guilty verdict?
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  • wolfamongwolveswolfamongwolves Posts: 2,414
    No, it doesn't. I oppose the death penalty in all circumstances. I certainly find it unconscionable to execute someone with a mental illness, no matter how heinous or terrible the things they have done.

    Jared Lee Loughner should, I believe, spend the rest of his days in a maximum-security prison. If indeed he is deemed to be mentally ill, it should be in a psychiatric prison.

    But the death penalty remains unjustifiable, in my view.
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  • joely_91joely_91 Posts: 795
    by killing a killer dont we just stoop to their level.... i mean there is no way i could take a persons life even if that person did terrible things...i do however think it's wrong how some only get a few years imprisonment and then out again supposedly reformed....mysteries of life i guess:?:
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    edited January 2011
    no it doesnt.
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  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    in his situation they should have walked his ass out into the desert and capped his ass already, that would save a lot of time and trouble and money.

    Godfather.
  • wolfamongwolveswolfamongwolves Posts: 2,414
    Godfather. wrote:
    in his situation they should have walked his ass out into the desert and capped his ass already, that would save a lot of time and trouble and money.

    Godfather.

    So that's a "no" for you too, then, Godfather? ;)
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  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/01/11/ar ... -rampage/#


    Godfather.
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    wolfamongwolves wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    in his situation they should have walked his ass out into the desert and capped his ass already, that would save a lot of time and trouble and money.

    Godfather.

    So that's a "no" for you too, then, Godfather? ;)

    I'm afraid so my friend, his crimes were too hainess.

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  • wolfamongwolveswolfamongwolves Posts: 2,414
    Godfather. wrote:
    wolfamongwolves wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    in his situation they should have walked his ass out into the desert and capped his ass already, that would save a lot of time and trouble and money.

    Godfather.

    So that's a "no" for you too, then, Godfather? ;)

    I'm afraid so my friend, his crimes were too hainess.

    Godfather.

    See my first post.
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  • ShawshankShawshank Posts: 1,018
    Surprisingly, I find myself not in favor of the death penalty in this case. I'm not in favor of the death penalty to those that are mentally challenged, or have severe mental problems that they have no way of controlling. This guy is absolutely deranged, and has a severe mental illness. I don't believe he is a pathological killer, in other words, I don't believe he is of what we would call "sound mind", yet still has a desire to kill. I think he's just nuts. There are people out there that are absolute evil, and they enjoy hurting others and they do it with a clear mind. Those people I have no sympathy for.
  • MoonpigMoonpig Posts: 659
    Godfather. wrote:
    in his situation they should have walked his ass out into the desert and capped his ass already, that would save a lot of time and trouble and money.

    Godfather.
    :roll: take a guess who was watching Casino last night.

    I've never been in favor of the death penalty myself, sentencing a person to death does not mean they will die then and there, in fact, housing in mates on death row is more expensive than sentencing them to life without parole - I would have thought that in these times of less spending, this one might factor in. Also in I find it ironic that in a nation where 78% identify themselves as Christian, that more isn't said about the dissonance of "thou shalt not kill" and the taking of any life.

    I believe there is much more in the punishment of life without parole, they life the rest of their life with what they have done. Killing them just seems like the easy way out for the person convicted, as it would be for this gentleman.
  • pjhawkspjhawks Posts: 12,598
    he should have been executed in the parking lot right then and there. fucking coward. kills innocent people including a 9 year old girl. i wouldn't have held him down in that parking lot i would bashed his skull into the pavement. and i'm not a violent guy, but what did calls for it. why should he be allowed to live while 9 families have to deal with funerals.
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  • wolfamongwolveswolfamongwolves Posts: 2,414
    pjhawks wrote:
    he should have been executed in the parking lot right then and there. fucking coward. kills innocent people including a 9 year old girl. i wouldn't have held him down in that parking lot i would bashed his skull into the pavement. and i'm not a violent guy, but what did calls for it. why should he be allowed to live while 9 families have to deal with funerals.

    Where's the sense in making it 10?
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  • satansbedsatansbed Posts: 2,139
    Moonpig wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    in his situation they should have walked his ass out into the desert and capped his ass already, that would save a lot of time and trouble and money.

    Godfather.
    :roll: take a guess who was watching Casino last night.

    I've never been in favor of the death penalty myself, sentencing a person to death does not mean they will die then and there, in fact, housing in mates on death row is more expensive than sentencing them to life without parole - I would have thought that in these times of less spending, this one might factor in. Also in I find it ironic that in a nation where 78% identify themselves as Christian, that more isn't said about the dissonance of "thou shalt not kill" and the taking of any life.

    I believe there is much more in the punishment of life without parole, they life the rest of their life with what they have done. Killing them just seems like the easy way out for the person convicted, as it would be for this gentleman.

    i don't understand why more christians aren't for the death penalty, if it wasn't for the death penalty their would be no Easter

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  • pjhawkspjhawks Posts: 12,598
    edited January 2011
    wolfamongwolves wrote:
    pjhawks wrote:
    he should have been executed in the parking lot right then and there. fucking coward. kills innocent people including a 9 year old girl. i wouldn't have held him down in that parking lot i would bashed his skull into the pavement. and i'm not a violent guy, but what did calls for it. why should he be allowed to live while 9 families have to deal with funerals.

    Where's the sense in making it 10?

    look i'm not a guy who says we should execute all convicted murderers or anything like that but this guy flat out deserves to die and he should have been killed right then and there. sorry 9 for 1 makes the 10th one absolutely sensible to do. too bad some religious zealots or whack jobs have to argue to keep scum like this alive. look we could argue this point to we are blue in the face, this is my take and that's yours. in america you have the right to your wrong opinion and i'll respect that right but there is absolutely nothing anyone can say to me to sway my opinion that no good comes from this guy being allowed to be on this earth. sorry send him to hell (if you believe in heaven and hell) right away. this is not a guy caught in a bad situation and someone died, he flat out executed 9 people in cold blood.

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    look this little girl and her parents in the eye and tell me this guy deserves to live.
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  • cendhcendh Posts: 214
    As Sartre once said:

    "It's true, a life might be worth nothing, but NOTHING is worth a life". (Excuse my translation, please.)

    Death penalty is wrong, and above all things ARROGANT.

    that's what I think.

    d.
    Diego
  • theoceansmademetheoceansmademe Posts: 1,132
    Shawshank wrote:
    Surprisingly, I find myself not in favor of the death penalty in this case. I'm not in favor of the death penalty to those that are mentally challenged, or have severe mental problems that they have no way of controlling. This guy is absolutely deranged, and has a severe mental illness. I don't believe he is a pathological killer, in other words, I don't believe he is of what we would call "sound mind", yet still has a desire to kill. I think he's just nuts. There are people out there that are absolute evil, and they enjoy hurting others and they do it with a clear mind. Those people I have no sympathy for.

    100% what I was thinking.
  • dunkmandunkman Posts: 19,646
    PJHawks... i think it was 6 people he killed and not 9. unless 3 have died in hospital afterwards, but i think it's definitely 6?

    anyway, weirdly enough i am ok with the death penalty in clear cut cases such as this... its when it has been found to be used for cases that are dubious I worry about...

    unfortunately I believe we are too soft on criminals in today's society... There should be a true fear of going to prison... for any crime.
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
    The death penalty is an easy way out.
  • pjhawkspjhawks Posts: 12,598
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40981099/ns ... nd_courts/

    nuff said
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    the death penalty serves only one purpose ... and that is to cure the insatiable appetite for some form of justice or revenge ...

    the death penalty does not deter violent crime period.

    the reality is that americans and society as a whole has to wonder why so many grievances are solved by use of the gun and weapons ... why is it that as a supposed civil society - we always seem to resort to violence to solve our differences?
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    pjhawks wrote:
    he should have been executed in the parking lot right then and there. fucking coward. kills innocent people including a 9 year old girl. i wouldn't have held him down in that parking lot i would bashed his skull into the pavement. and i'm not a violent guy, but what did calls for it. why should he be allowed to live while 9 families have to deal with funerals.


    :thumbup:

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  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    Jeanwah wrote:
    The death penalty is an easy way out.

    death is final,no more killing no more anything so I don't think it's an ez way out,it's last resort and a final solution for premeditated murder.

    Godfather.
  • cendhcendh Posts: 214
    polaris_x wrote:
    the death penalty serves only one purpose ... and that is to cure the insatiable appetite for some form of justice or revenge ...

    the death penalty does not deter violent crime period.

    the reality is that americans and society as a whole has to wonder why so many grievances are solved by use of the gun and weapons ... why is it that as a supposed civil society - we always seem to resort to violence to solve our differences?


    Yes, I'm not from North America, but I agree. As I see it, the state and government people should be examples on how to act, for society; not only "big borthers" that are allowed (because of the complete control of legal force means) to punish (or kill) fellow citicens, because they can.

    And in the bottom of the issue, peace is the only real answer. It's noxious and ridiculous to think we can achieve peace by killing. Prision should be there to rehabilitate, not to punish and make people suffer; it should be there to make the ones that did something wrong understand WHY the most of other people think that it was wrong,HOW to mend their mistakes, and hopefully and one day, in WHICH direction they shuold re-insert in society.

    d.
    Diego
  • pjhawkspjhawks Posts: 12,598
    dunkman wrote:
    PJHawks... i think it was 6 people he killed and not 9. unless 3 have died in hospital afterwards, but i think it's definitely 6?

    anyway, weirdly enough i am ok with the death penalty in clear cut cases such as this... its when it has been found to be used for cases that are dubious I worry about...

    unfortunately I believe we are too soft on criminals in today's society... There should be a true fear of going to prison... for any crime.


    yes sorry 6 not 9, i have the number 9 on the brain because of the 9 year old girl. sorry when i think about this story i see her face and yes i want revenge for that. and it's not about deterring others, it is about revenge in this case.
  • wolfamongwolveswolfamongwolves Posts: 2,414
    pjhawks wrote:
    dunkman wrote:
    PJHawks... i think it was 6 people he killed and not 9. unless 3 have died in hospital afterwards, but i think it's definitely 6?

    anyway, weirdly enough i am ok with the death penalty in clear cut cases such as this... its when it has been found to be used for cases that are dubious I worry about...

    unfortunately I believe we are too soft on criminals in today's society... There should be a true fear of going to prison... for any crime.


    yes sorry 6 not 9, i have the number 9 on the brain because of the 9 year old girl. sorry when i think about this story i see her face and yes i want revenge for that. and it's not about deterring others, it is about revenge in this case.
    I can understand the anger in a situation like this, and the gut reaction to want revenge. But no society can call itself civilised that can't control such animalistic urges, that can't hold it's temper in check to ensure that true justice is applied.

    Revenge and justice can never be compatible, whatever the movies might have you believe.

    Clearly, it makes it easier for you to advocate killing another human being if you reduce him to being "scum". But , whatever your opinion, whatever he did, however horrendous and unconscionable,the reality is he is a mentally ill human being. Easy to kill scum, not so easy to kill a person with a mental illness.


    And, even in the US, the only western democracy to not have abolished this arcane and fundamentally unjust punishment, executing a mentally ill person is illegal and unconstitutional (even though there are a vast amount of cases where it's been done anyway).
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    96: Cork, Dublin
    00: Dublin
    06: London, Dublin
    07: London, Copenhagen, Nijmegen
    09: Manchester, London
    10: Dublin, Belfast, London & Berlin
    11: San José
    12: Isle of Wight, Copenhagen, Ed in Manchester & London x2
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    it is likely revenge or grievance that drove this shooter to kill all those people ... it's the same emotion people have when they then in turn want to kill the shooter ...

    violence begets violence ...

    i understand it - i just don't believe in it ...
  • DL136722DL136722 Not sure... Posts: 686
    It doesn't change my mind and I'm for the death penalty. Put it this way, what if this guy killed your daughter or son? Put it on a personal level - it's easy to say no death penalty from distance put if you ask the family that lost the 9yr. that got killed it would be interesting to hear the responses then.

    My personal thought is that life is too precious and to take that from someone - I'm sorry but there is no forgiving that. You don't get to go to prison for the rest of your days breathing the same air and eating food that we pay for. I had a cousin that got murdered back in 1995 and that guy is still alive in jail - truth be told he should have died that day as well.
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  • jg1988jg1988 Posts: 181
    If i was a family member, I have to admit that I would definitely want to see this guy die. Of course this would do nothing as far as taking away the pain, however the satisfaction of knowing that justice (which is what I believe the death penalty is) has been served. As far as being a deterrent i do NOT think the death penalty works. Whatever happens to this guy it will not bring back the 6 people killed, so who really cares if he is killed or just imprisoned for life?
  • MoonpigMoonpig Posts: 659
    DL136722 wrote:
    It doesn't change my mind and I'm for the death penalty. Put it this way, what if this guy killed your daughter or son? Put it on a personal level - it's easy to say no death penalty from distance put if you ask the family that lost the 9yr. that got killed it would be interesting to hear the responses then.

    My personal thought is that life is too precious and to take that from someone - I'm sorry but there is no forgiving that. You don't get to go to prison for the rest of your days breathing the same air and eating food that we pay for. I had a cousin that got murdered back in 1995 and that guy is still alive in jail - truth be told he should have died that day as well.

    I have a family member who was brutally assualted and then shot, murdered. The person that did it is in prison, I still believe that the death penalty is wrong.
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