Does the Arizona killer change your mind...

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edited January 2011 in A Moving Train
On the use of the death penalty? Or do you believe he is too mentally unstable for a standard guilty verdict?
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  • wolfamongwolves
    wolfamongwolves Posts: 2,414
    No, it doesn't. I oppose the death penalty in all circumstances. I certainly find it unconscionable to execute someone with a mental illness, no matter how heinous or terrible the things they have done.

    Jared Lee Loughner should, I believe, spend the rest of his days in a maximum-security prison. If indeed he is deemed to be mentally ill, it should be in a psychiatric prison.

    But the death penalty remains unjustifiable, in my view.
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  • joely_91
    joely_91 Posts: 795
    by killing a killer dont we just stoop to their level.... i mean there is no way i could take a persons life even if that person did terrible things...i do however think it's wrong how some only get a few years imprisonment and then out again supposedly reformed....mysteries of life i guess:?:
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    edited January 2011
    no it doesnt.
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  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    in his situation they should have walked his ass out into the desert and capped his ass already, that would save a lot of time and trouble and money.

    Godfather.
  • wolfamongwolves
    wolfamongwolves Posts: 2,414
    Godfather. wrote:
    in his situation they should have walked his ass out into the desert and capped his ass already, that would save a lot of time and trouble and money.

    Godfather.

    So that's a "no" for you too, then, Godfather? ;)
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  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
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    Godfather.
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    wolfamongwolves wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    in his situation they should have walked his ass out into the desert and capped his ass already, that would save a lot of time and trouble and money.

    Godfather.

    So that's a "no" for you too, then, Godfather? ;)

    I'm afraid so my friend, his crimes were too hainess.

    Godfather.
  • wolfamongwolves
    wolfamongwolves Posts: 2,414
    Godfather. wrote:
    wolfamongwolves wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    in his situation they should have walked his ass out into the desert and capped his ass already, that would save a lot of time and trouble and money.

    Godfather.

    So that's a "no" for you too, then, Godfather? ;)

    I'm afraid so my friend, his crimes were too hainess.

    Godfather.

    See my first post.
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  • Shawshank
    Shawshank Posts: 1,018
    Surprisingly, I find myself not in favor of the death penalty in this case. I'm not in favor of the death penalty to those that are mentally challenged, or have severe mental problems that they have no way of controlling. This guy is absolutely deranged, and has a severe mental illness. I don't believe he is a pathological killer, in other words, I don't believe he is of what we would call "sound mind", yet still has a desire to kill. I think he's just nuts. There are people out there that are absolute evil, and they enjoy hurting others and they do it with a clear mind. Those people I have no sympathy for.
  • Moonpig
    Moonpig Posts: 659
    Godfather. wrote:
    in his situation they should have walked his ass out into the desert and capped his ass already, that would save a lot of time and trouble and money.

    Godfather.
    :roll: take a guess who was watching Casino last night.

    I've never been in favor of the death penalty myself, sentencing a person to death does not mean they will die then and there, in fact, housing in mates on death row is more expensive than sentencing them to life without parole - I would have thought that in these times of less spending, this one might factor in. Also in I find it ironic that in a nation where 78% identify themselves as Christian, that more isn't said about the dissonance of "thou shalt not kill" and the taking of any life.

    I believe there is much more in the punishment of life without parole, they life the rest of their life with what they have done. Killing them just seems like the easy way out for the person convicted, as it would be for this gentleman.
  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,962
    he should have been executed in the parking lot right then and there. fucking coward. kills innocent people including a 9 year old girl. i wouldn't have held him down in that parking lot i would bashed his skull into the pavement. and i'm not a violent guy, but what did calls for it. why should he be allowed to live while 9 families have to deal with funerals.
  • klusterfuk
    klusterfuk Posts: 1,411
    they need to bring back chain gangs and hard labor.
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  • wolfamongwolves
    wolfamongwolves Posts: 2,414
    pjhawks wrote:
    he should have been executed in the parking lot right then and there. fucking coward. kills innocent people including a 9 year old girl. i wouldn't have held him down in that parking lot i would bashed his skull into the pavement. and i'm not a violent guy, but what did calls for it. why should he be allowed to live while 9 families have to deal with funerals.

    Where's the sense in making it 10?
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    00: Dublin
    06: London, Dublin
    07: London, Copenhagen, Nijmegen
    09: Manchester, London
    10: Dublin, Belfast, London & Berlin
    11: San José
    12: Isle of Wight, Copenhagen, Ed in Manchester & London x2
  • satansbed
    satansbed Posts: 2,139
    Moonpig wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    in his situation they should have walked his ass out into the desert and capped his ass already, that would save a lot of time and trouble and money.

    Godfather.
    :roll: take a guess who was watching Casino last night.

    I've never been in favor of the death penalty myself, sentencing a person to death does not mean they will die then and there, in fact, housing in mates on death row is more expensive than sentencing them to life without parole - I would have thought that in these times of less spending, this one might factor in. Also in I find it ironic that in a nation where 78% identify themselves as Christian, that more isn't said about the dissonance of "thou shalt not kill" and the taking of any life.

    I believe there is much more in the punishment of life without parole, they life the rest of their life with what they have done. Killing them just seems like the easy way out for the person convicted, as it would be for this gentleman.

    i don't understand why more christians aren't for the death penalty, if it wasn't for the death penalty their would be no Easter

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  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,962
    edited January 2011
    wolfamongwolves wrote:
    pjhawks wrote:
    he should have been executed in the parking lot right then and there. fucking coward. kills innocent people including a 9 year old girl. i wouldn't have held him down in that parking lot i would bashed his skull into the pavement. and i'm not a violent guy, but what did calls for it. why should he be allowed to live while 9 families have to deal with funerals.

    Where's the sense in making it 10?

    look i'm not a guy who says we should execute all convicted murderers or anything like that but this guy flat out deserves to die and he should have been killed right then and there. sorry 9 for 1 makes the 10th one absolutely sensible to do. too bad some religious zealots or whack jobs have to argue to keep scum like this alive. look we could argue this point to we are blue in the face, this is my take and that's yours. in america you have the right to your wrong opinion and i'll respect that right but there is absolutely nothing anyone can say to me to sway my opinion that no good comes from this guy being allowed to be on this earth. sorry send him to hell (if you believe in heaven and hell) right away. this is not a guy caught in a bad situation and someone died, he flat out executed 9 people in cold blood.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40981099/ns ... nd_courts/

    look this little girl and her parents in the eye and tell me this guy deserves to live.
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  • cendh
    cendh Posts: 214
    As Sartre once said:

    "It's true, a life might be worth nothing, but NOTHING is worth a life". (Excuse my translation, please.)

    Death penalty is wrong, and above all things ARROGANT.

    that's what I think.

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    Diego
  • theoceansmademe
    theoceansmademe Posts: 1,132
    Shawshank wrote:
    Surprisingly, I find myself not in favor of the death penalty in this case. I'm not in favor of the death penalty to those that are mentally challenged, or have severe mental problems that they have no way of controlling. This guy is absolutely deranged, and has a severe mental illness. I don't believe he is a pathological killer, in other words, I don't believe he is of what we would call "sound mind", yet still has a desire to kill. I think he's just nuts. There are people out there that are absolute evil, and they enjoy hurting others and they do it with a clear mind. Those people I have no sympathy for.

    100% what I was thinking.
  • dunkman
    dunkman Posts: 19,646
    PJHawks... i think it was 6 people he killed and not 9. unless 3 have died in hospital afterwards, but i think it's definitely 6?

    anyway, weirdly enough i am ok with the death penalty in clear cut cases such as this... its when it has been found to be used for cases that are dubious I worry about...

    unfortunately I believe we are too soft on criminals in today's society... There should be a true fear of going to prison... for any crime.
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • Jeanwah
    Jeanwah Posts: 6,363
    The death penalty is an easy way out.
  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,962
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40981099/ns ... nd_courts/

    nuff said

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