Why is it that these so called God fearing people only come out of the woodwork to inflict additional pain upon others in their time of need? Seems to me they do more work in the name of the Devil than in the name of God.
You hit it on the head with that last statement. The church I go to couldn't be more of a polar opposite to what Westboro is preaching. It's hard to believe they can even have the label of "church".
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
Can someone please point me to a Christian group or individual that hates the poor?
sometimes I just don't know about this place...
Are you saying that not one Christian person hates the poor?
I would ask you what constitutes hating in your mind? Are their christians who don't do anything for the poor, absolutely, but does that mean they hate them? absolutely not
Hate is a very strong word. Being against welfare doesn't mean you hate the people who need it.
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
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I'm just curious... and I'm not making any judgements... and my comments are made in general terms and not directed at you.
But, there are a lot of people who are Christian, yet openly express distain for people who have been dealt a shitty hand, whether by their own decisions or circumstances that are out of their control.
For example, Welfare. People on Welfare and/or Food Stamps are often the target. I understand that there is fraud and I think it needs to be addressed and corrected, but I often hear so much hatred in the words of people when speaking about welfare in general... that whole attitude about free hand-outs and all. I believe that the strong should help the weak, not kick them aside.
We just got past the Christmas season. Everyone is all charitable and giving.. the whole Christmas Spirit of giving. Here at work, we 'Adopt a Family' and collect money and provide gifts and money for a family that is down on it's luck. We often get a single mother, kids from different fathers... typically non-white, always fairly young. Most of the year, she is seen as a stupid whore that can't keep her knees together and is welching off the working folk. Yet, at Christmas, she is a 'deserving, needy' family. This is by people I work with and talk about church and forgiveness out of one side of their mouths... and spew indifference and distain out the other. I like these people I work with and don't think they are bad people... I just do not understand the rationale. Why can't they have the Christmas Spirit all year?
Another thing is immigration. how often do we hear about that? These people come from a place where poor is almost incomprehensible to most of us. Does it matter that they come from another place that is defined by imaginary lines on a map? I am more than grateful that I won the birth lottery and ended up being born here, in California, rather than at the Guatemalan/Mexico border. Just because they have a different citizenship than me, doesn't make them a lesser person than I am.
I'm not a Christian. I do not attend any churches. I try to follow the teaching of Jesus, but do not buy into all of that stuff about Him being responsible for MY sins. He is my teacher, not my Saviour.
Maybe my problem is my perspective... I don't care how people get themselves into bad situations and just see them as people needing a hand.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
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I'm just curious... and I'm not making any judgements... and my comments are made in general terms and not directed at you.
But, there are a lot of people who are Christian, yet openly express distain for people who have been dealt a shitty hand, whether by their own decisions or circumstances that are out of their control.
For example, Welfare. People on Welfare and/or Food Stamps are often the target. I understand that there is fraud and I think it needs to be addressed and corrected, but I often hear so much hatred in the words of people when speaking about welfare in general... that whole attitude about free hand-outs and all. I believe that the strong should help the weak, not kick them aside.
We just got past the Christmas season. Everyone is all charitable and giving.. the whole Christmas Spirit of giving. Here at work, we 'Adopt a Family' and collect money and provide gifts and money for a family that is down on it's luck. We often get a single mother, kids from different fathers... typically non-white, always fairly young. Most of the year, she is seen as a stupid whore that can't keep her knees together and is welching off the working folk. Yet, at Christmas, she is a 'deserving, needy' family. This is by people I work with and talk about church and forgiveness out of one side of their mouths... and spew indifference and distain out the other. I like these people I work with and don't think they are bad people... I just do not understand the rationale. Why can't they have the Christmas Spirit all year?
Another thing is immigration. how often do we hear about that? These people come from a place where poor is almost incomprehensible to most of us. Does it matter that they come from another place that is defined by imaginary lines on a map? I am more than grateful that I won the birth lottery and ended up being born here, in California, rather than at the Guatemalan/Mexico border. Just because they have a different citizenship than me, doesn't make them a lesser person than I am.
I'm not a Christian. I do not attend any churches. I try to follow the teaching of Jesus, but do not buy into all of that stuff about Him being responsible for MY sins. He is my teacher, not my Saviour.
Maybe my problem is my perspective... I don't care how people get themselves into bad situations and just see them as people needing a hand.
I try and help people out when I can, as far a churches go I have been to a few and have never heard anyone complain about people down on their luck...not to say it does not happen I just have not heard it and if I did I would probably never attend that church again, I like to treat people as would like them to treat me and if they needed something that I could help with I usually will.
I'm not saying that I have it dialed in my faith,I'm still learning.
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I'm just curious... and I'm not making any judgements... and my comments are made in general terms and not directed at you.
But, there are a lot of people who are Christian, yet openly express distain for people who have been dealt a shitty hand, whether by their own decisions or circumstances that are out of their control.
For example, Welfare. People on Welfare and/or Food Stamps are often the target. I understand that there is fraud and I think it needs to be addressed and corrected, but I often hear so much hatred in the words of people when speaking about welfare in general... that whole attitude about free hand-outs and all. I believe that the strong should help the weak, not kick them aside.
I think some view the welfare system as the government perpetuating a problem instead of helping. Most conservative Christians I know think welfare needs to be more selective yet they spend good chunks of time involved in church projects that help the needy and sick. My best friend is a hard-core conservative yet he spends two weeks of his vacation time each year traveling to Peru to help build orphanages.
It's not that anyone hates poor people. But when generations of families remain entrenched in the welfare system, is it helping or hurting them?
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I'm just curious... and I'm not making any judgements... and my comments are made in general terms and not directed at you.
But, there are a lot of people who are Christian, yet openly express distain for people who have been dealt a shitty hand, whether by their own decisions or circumstances that are out of their control.
For example, Welfare. People on Welfare and/or Food Stamps are often the target. I understand that there is fraud and I think it needs to be addressed and corrected, but I often hear so much hatred in the words of people when speaking about welfare in general... that whole attitude about free hand-outs and all. I believe that the strong should help the weak, not kick them aside.
I think some view the welfare system as the government perpetuating a problem instead of helping. Most conservative Christians I know think welfare needs to be more selective yet they spend good chunks of time involved in church projects that help the needy and sick. My best friend is a hard-core conservative yet he spends two weeks of his vacation time each year traveling to Peru to help build orphanages.
It's not that anyone hates poor people. But when generations of families remain entrenched in the welfare system, is it helping or hurting them?
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Thanx. I guess it isn't so much a matter of hate (except in the case of the undocumented workers... that is usually expressed with hate) of the poor... more of a case of indifference towards them. You know, that whole, 'Get a job' mentality. I don't think that people strive to live below the poverty level... that no one makes it a goal to be poor enough to get food stamps... shit just happens and that's where they end up.
That is kind of the point I am making... I have no place to say who is a good Christian and who is not. My co-workers are nice people... they go to church and voluenteer and all of that stuff you associate with 'being Christian'. I simply do not understand the logic or rationale or justification used to pass judgement on some poor single mother of three... except during Christmas time. Charity is not supposed to be done to make the giver feel good about himself, it's supposed to be done because there is another human in need of it.
Well... leastwise... that's what Jesus teaches me.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
Can someone please point me to a Christian group or individual that hates the poor?
sometimes I just don't know about this place...
Are you saying that not one Christian person hates the poor?
I would ask you what constitutes hating in your mind? Are their christians who don't do anything for the poor, absolutely, but does that mean they hate them? absolutely not
Hate is a very strong word. Being against welfare doesn't mean you hate the people who need it.
A lot of CEOs I can think of must be Buddhists then.
Are you saying that not one Christian person hates the poor?
I would ask you what constitutes hating in your mind? Are their christians who don't do anything for the poor, absolutely, but does that mean they hate them? absolutely not
Hate is a very strong word. Being against welfare doesn't mean you hate the people who need it.
A lot of CEOs I can think of must be Buddhists then.
please explain.
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
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Thanx. I guess it isn't so much a matter of hate (except in the case of the undocumented workers... that is usually expressed with hate) of the poor... more of a case of indifference towards them. You know, that whole, 'Get a job' mentality. I don't think that people strive to live below the poverty level... that no one makes it a goal to be poor enough to get food stamps... shit just happens and that's where they end up.
That is kind of the point I am making... I have no place to say who is a good Christian and who is not. My co-workers are nice people... they go to church and volunteer and all of that stuff you associate with 'being Christian'. I simply do not understand the logic or rationale or justification used to pass judgment on some poor single mother of three... except during Christmas time. Charity is not supposed to be done to make the giver feel good about himself, it's supposed to be done because there is another human in need of it.
Well... leastwise... that's what Jesus teaches me.
this.
the "get-a-job" attitude is really frustrating, especially right now with our economy in the toilet. everytime i hear this i think "get what job?" i've never made a ton of money, but by the grace of God i've always been able to provide for my family. then in february of 2008 i was laid off, and out of work for almost two years! their weren't any jobs to be found, but i know there were some that thought i was just lazy (until they, themselves were in a similar situation). and people, the same people who think welfare is just a handout program which causes poverty, would encourage me to get a job for minimum wage, but there were two major problems with that: 1) minimum wage jobs weren't interested in hiring me when they saw my job/pay history and 2) a minimum wage job for a family of 5 doesn't get you off of welfare, and you have to be ridiculously poor to qualify for welfare.
thank God i'm working now, and i'm actually thankful for the experience because it has helped me to be less judgmental of others. you just never know the circumstances of someone else has been through or what has brought them to the situation they face today.
obviously this total lack of love and respect is infuriating to ALL sane people, including 99% of Christians! as a Christian let me say they DO NOT represent me, or the God i believe in.
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You hit it on the head with that last statement. The church I go to couldn't be more of a polar opposite to what Westboro is preaching. It's hard to believe they can even have the label of "church".
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
I've never seen or heard of one.
Godfather.
Are you a Christian?
Hail, Hail!!!
I would ask you what constitutes hating in your mind? Are their christians who don't do anything for the poor, absolutely, but does that mean they hate them? absolutely not
Hate is a very strong word. Being against welfare doesn't mean you hate the people who need it.
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
Godfather.
I'm just curious... and I'm not making any judgements... and my comments are made in general terms and not directed at you.
But, there are a lot of people who are Christian, yet openly express distain for people who have been dealt a shitty hand, whether by their own decisions or circumstances that are out of their control.
For example, Welfare. People on Welfare and/or Food Stamps are often the target. I understand that there is fraud and I think it needs to be addressed and corrected, but I often hear so much hatred in the words of people when speaking about welfare in general... that whole attitude about free hand-outs and all. I believe that the strong should help the weak, not kick them aside.
We just got past the Christmas season. Everyone is all charitable and giving.. the whole Christmas Spirit of giving. Here at work, we 'Adopt a Family' and collect money and provide gifts and money for a family that is down on it's luck. We often get a single mother, kids from different fathers... typically non-white, always fairly young. Most of the year, she is seen as a stupid whore that can't keep her knees together and is welching off the working folk. Yet, at Christmas, she is a 'deserving, needy' family. This is by people I work with and talk about church and forgiveness out of one side of their mouths... and spew indifference and distain out the other. I like these people I work with and don't think they are bad people... I just do not understand the rationale. Why can't they have the Christmas Spirit all year?
Another thing is immigration. how often do we hear about that? These people come from a place where poor is almost incomprehensible to most of us. Does it matter that they come from another place that is defined by imaginary lines on a map? I am more than grateful that I won the birth lottery and ended up being born here, in California, rather than at the Guatemalan/Mexico border. Just because they have a different citizenship than me, doesn't make them a lesser person than I am.
I'm not a Christian. I do not attend any churches. I try to follow the teaching of Jesus, but do not buy into all of that stuff about Him being responsible for MY sins. He is my teacher, not my Saviour.
Maybe my problem is my perspective... I don't care how people get themselves into bad situations and just see them as people needing a hand.
Hail, Hail!!!
I try and help people out when I can, as far a churches go I have been to a few and have never heard anyone complain about people down on their luck...not to say it does not happen I just have not heard it and if I did I would probably never attend that church again, I like to treat people as would like them to treat me and if they needed something that I could help with I usually will.
I'm not saying that I have it dialed in my faith,I'm still learning.
Godfather.
It's not that anyone hates poor people. But when generations of families remain entrenched in the welfare system, is it helping or hurting them?
Thanx. I guess it isn't so much a matter of hate (except in the case of the undocumented workers... that is usually expressed with hate) of the poor... more of a case of indifference towards them. You know, that whole, 'Get a job' mentality. I don't think that people strive to live below the poverty level... that no one makes it a goal to be poor enough to get food stamps... shit just happens and that's where they end up.
That is kind of the point I am making... I have no place to say who is a good Christian and who is not. My co-workers are nice people... they go to church and voluenteer and all of that stuff you associate with 'being Christian'. I simply do not understand the logic or rationale or justification used to pass judgement on some poor single mother of three... except during Christmas time. Charity is not supposed to be done to make the giver feel good about himself, it's supposed to be done because there is another human in need of it.
Well... leastwise... that's what Jesus teaches me.
Hail, Hail!!!
please explain.
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
this.
the "get-a-job" attitude is really frustrating, especially right now with our economy in the toilet. everytime i hear this i think "get what job?" i've never made a ton of money, but by the grace of God i've always been able to provide for my family. then in february of 2008 i was laid off, and out of work for almost two years! their weren't any jobs to be found, but i know there were some that thought i was just lazy (until they, themselves were in a similar situation). and people, the same people who think welfare is just a handout program which causes poverty, would encourage me to get a job for minimum wage, but there were two major problems with that: 1) minimum wage jobs weren't interested in hiring me when they saw my job/pay history and 2) a minimum wage job for a family of 5 doesn't get you off of welfare, and you have to be ridiculously poor to qualify for welfare.
thank God i'm working now, and i'm actually thankful for the experience because it has helped me to be less judgmental of others. you just never know the circumstances of someone else has been through or what has brought them to the situation they face today.
a bit of rabbit trail, sorry. :oops: