Ouch, have we really descended to this? Take a step back and catch your breath champ. I think a few of us have been guilty of stretching things to make our points - need I refer you to a previous post, of yours, about why we need guns to protect ourselves from someone breaking in, raping and murdering our families?? I'm not having a go, just just to show some perspective.
I would get mad at the bigger issues which is drinking while driving. that where MADD came from. mothers were sick of losing children to drinking and driving that they began to fight to make punishments harder for peopel who did drink and drive.
Exactly, mothers against DRUNK DRIVERS. They are mad at the person, not the tool!
How do you propose we keep people who would potentially drink and drive off the road? Maybe institute a 6 month background check process complete with psych evaluation? Is that going to change anything? Would it be perfect? Would it stop all drinking and driving? Or should we just ban cars?
actually its mother against drunk driving not drunk drivers. Those mother have also gone against alcohol. they have tried to limit the amount of alcohol a person can have when they are driving. They realize that the "tool" which is the alcohol is a weapon just like people realize that guns are a weapon. I just don't know how you can separate a tool and a person. if the person doesn't have access to that tool they can't use it.
Isn't that kind of saying, someone is limiting the amount of bullets you can use when shooting your ak 47 into a crowd....
Did anyone actually clarify how having a gun protects you from government?
You know, apart from attempted assassinations on congresswomen and innocent people in the vicinity of them...
'Cause, you know, up here in Canada, they raise taxes and we just shoot a couple of our MPs. No big deal, the prime minister likes to come rape our families every now and then so its good we have a few firearms on hand. Seem to go through a lot of PMs though, these days....
Did anyone actually clarify how having a gun protects you from government?
You know, apart from attempted assassinations on congresswomen and innocent people in the vicinity of them...
'Cause, you know, up here in Canada, they raise taxes and we just shoot a couple of our MPs. No big deal, the prime minister likes to come rape our families every now and then so its good we have a few firearms on hand. Seem to go through a lot of PMs though, these days....
So we should just give up our guns and be slaves to our government? we overthrew the last one with guns.
Did anyone actually clarify how having a gun protects you from government?
You know, apart from attempted assassinations on congresswomen and innocent people in the vicinity of them...
'Cause, you know, up here in Canada, they raise taxes and we just shoot a couple of our MPs. No big deal, the prime minister likes to come rape our families every now and then so its good we have a few firearms on hand. Seem to go through a lot of PMs though, these days....
it isn't a daily thing. But I can say that it is more and more unlikely a coup could happen in this country, or any type of government authoritarian take over simply because people have weapons, in some cases GIANT stock piles of weapons that would cause a long drawn out fight. That isn't to say that weapons at home are the only reason that something like that hasn't happened, but it is definitely a check on it. At least, I think that is the mentality. Who knows, I use mine for home protection (clients I work with have actually threatened me) as well as hunting birds.
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Did anyone actually clarify how having a gun protects you from government?
You know, apart from attempted assassinations on congresswomen and innocent people in the vicinity of them...
'Cause, you know, up here in Canada, they raise taxes and we just shoot a couple of our MPs. No big deal, the prime minister likes to come rape our families every now and then so its good we have a few firearms on hand. Seem to go through a lot of PMs though, these days....
So we should just give up our guns and be slaves to our government? we overthrew the last one with guns.
do you honestly believe that you are not slaves to your government and business? which one was the last one again?
Did anyone actually clarify how having a gun protects you from government?
You know, apart from attempted assassinations on congresswomen and innocent people in the vicinity of them...
'Cause, you know, up here in Canada, they raise taxes and we just shoot a couple of our MPs. No big deal, the prime minister likes to come rape our families every now and then so its good we have a few firearms on hand. Seem to go through a lot of PMs though, these days....
it isn't a daily thing. But I can say that it is more and more unlikely a coup could happen in this country, or any type of government authoritarian take over simply because people have weapons, in some cases GIANT stock piles of weapons that would cause a long drawn out fight. That isn't to say that weapons at home are the only reason that something like that hasn't happened, but it is definitely a check on it. At least, I think that is the mentality. Who knows, I use mine for home protection (clients I work with have actually threatened me) as well as hunting birds.
as an outsider (from Canada) i just can't help but laugh at this and i am not laughing at your mike. do people actually think that people can protect themselves against the government if they really wanted to take everything over.
The last one was England. I feel better about being a slave with a gun then without one, otherwise were just China.
don't know if you know this but the one with England was a little while back can i ask why you feel better being a slave with a gun than without one?
influence i guess, it's like that line from the movie "Untouchables" you can get further with a kind word and a gun then just a kind word.
i get what your saying, if the Government comes knocking and your just an individual with a gun what are really gona do to stop them? but you know what, give them something to think about.
I see that yesterday a 9-year old little girl was murdered together with 5 others by someone with a 9mm hand gun. When are we going to stop thinking its ok to live in a society where we tolerate the carrying of concealed or non-concealed guns in public?
If you think its madness then please use your voice so that other people like you who feel the same as you don’t feel they are alone.
Perhaps if more people had been carrying guns at that location, the one of them which was completely insane wouldn't have made it successfully to that 9-year-old girl.
I see that yesterday a 9-year old little girl was murdered together with 5 others by someone with a 9mm hand gun. When are we going to stop thinking its ok to live in a society where we tolerate the carrying of concealed or non-concealed guns in public?
If you think its madness then please use your voice so that other people like you who feel the same as you don’t feel they are alone.
Perhaps if more people had been carrying guns at that location, the one of them which was completely insane wouldn't have made it successfully to that 9-year-old girl.
perhaps if more people had guns more people would have been shot by accident. the answer is not more guns. the answer is less.
Did anyone actually clarify how having a gun protects you from government?
You know, apart from attempted assassinations on congresswomen and innocent people in the vicinity of them...
'Cause, you know, up here in Canada, they raise taxes and we just shoot a couple of our MPs. No big deal, the prime minister likes to come rape our families every now and then so its good we have a few firearms on hand. Seem to go through a lot of PMs though, these days....
So we should just give up our guns and be slaves to our government? we overthrew the last one with guns.
actually, no I wouldn't. Guns have no use in modern society. knives/sledgehammers/screwdrivers/etc do. I would absolutely not be asking for their ban if there were no guns. that's a ludicrous claim and you know it. that's like saying I think neckties shoud be banned because you could choke someone with them.
saying you are not a responsible gun owner if you have an accident is ignorant. what you are effectively saying is that anyone who has a car accident is a bad driver, any person who has ever cut themselves is clumsy, anyone who's ever had a cold is a dirty germ-infested slime.
if you are out hunting, and a rabbit runs up behind you and gets in your feet, you trip, your gun flies out of your hands and hits the ground, causing the safety to come off, goes off and hits one of your friends, you are not a responsible gun owner? that's called happenstance, my friend, not irresponsibility.
Guns have plenty of use in modern society. Recreation, personal defense, and to protect us from our government. You would absolutely be here talking about banning knives if this poor girl was killed by a knife. If she was killed by a pipe bomb, you would be here talking about banning pipes. You just don’t realize it because TV hasn’t told you to do it yet.
You are ignorant on gun safety. Guns accident and car accidents are completely apples and oranges. Someone else can cause you to have a car accident no matter how responsible and safe you are. If you follow your training, you will never have a gun accident.
Do you really think that a rabbit would run up behind you and get near you? If it wasn’t afraid of you and did, it wouldn’t cause you to drop your gun. And you want me to take you seriously? That non sense aside…. Sure the safety thumb safety magically turned off in your scenario. But nothing loaded a round in to the chamber, nothing defeated the grip safety, and nothing pulled the trigger. Plus one of the rules of responsible gun ownership is to always point it in a safe direction, so it would most likely land pointed away from your friends.
I haven't had a chance to go through all the comments made here but this will be my last in this thread about a little girl born on a day of violence 9/11 and died on a day of violence.
I agree that guns DO have a use in modern society. I was at one time the #2 rifleman on my college rifleteam. We shot 22 smallbore rifles and gun safety was ALWAYS a must. One great thing i learned from being on that rifleteam and the military was discipline. The discipline it took in learning the art of breathing, sighting and gently squeezing the trigger of the weapon. The pleasure of hitting the bullseye whether prone, kneeling or the standing position.
I disagree with you that if you follow your training you will never have an accident. NEVER to me is too finite of word in gun safety. I've had a DC police softball friend let me handle his service revolver, safetied it, removed the magazine and he thought there was not a round in the chamber. I checked it, checked the sites and there was a round in it, he didn't believe me till I gave it back to him. He realized his mistake and I told him I understood. That's why it's always key to never point a loaded (with the safety on) or unloaded weapon at anyone.
Peace and stay safe peeps.
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Ouch, have we really descended to this? Take a step back and catch your breath champ. I think a few of us have been guilty of stretching things to make our points - need I refer you to a previous post, of yours, about why we need guns to protect ourselves from someone breaking in, raping and murdering our families?? I'm not having a go, just just to show some perspective.
The last one was England. I feel better about being a slave with a gun then without one, otherwise were just China.
you seem convinced you're going to be a slave of some kind? why do you fear a government in this way? it's not rational? at least the people of 30s Germany had something to fear.... a nazi dictator... but the worlds largest democracy? odd.
at least if you were China you'd get taught the difference between 'then' and 'than'
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
Did anyone actually clarify how having a gun protects you from government?
You know, apart from attempted assassinations on congresswomen and innocent people in the vicinity of them...
'Cause, you know, up here in Canada, they raise taxes and we just shoot a couple of our MPs. No big deal, the prime minister likes to come rape our families every now and then so its good we have a few firearms on hand. Seem to go through a lot of PMs though, these days....
So we should just give up our guns and be slaves to our government? we overthrew the last one with guns.
Overthrew the last government with guns?? Wasn't that W.? That would seem unlikely, given that he would normally call the gun touting crowd his power base - but hey, I don't read the newspapers every day so I could have missed le revolution.
Another thing, it has come up time and time again from the gun crowd about defending yourselves against your government - like if there was one crowd in a country, like America, that I would definitly not want to be paranoid, it's the gun crowd. But seriously what is your deal with the defending against govnerment thing, what you think is going to happen?
I love how some of you can rip on countries you see as commie, as they don't endevour to replicate the shining beacon in the world that is AMMEERRRIIIIIIICA, yet for some of you, from what i have been reading live in fear that your own government is coming to get you - doesn't sound like my type of place. And before I get the tired old replies of "your happy to bend over for your government" or "happy to have the government run your life" blah blah blah....I question the actions of my goverment all the time, hell I've taken to the streets on more than one occasion - but I don't, nor have I ever, feared them.
It is crazy the attachment some have to guns. I'm not really sure where that comes from.
And while criminals will always find ways to commit crimes regardless of the laws...why don't we make it just a little bit harder for someone to kill a large group of people all at once?
I'm all for stricter gun control. I think it is obvious that the US needs to re-evaluate it. Guns are no longer going to protect you from your government anyhow.
Guns have plenty of use in modern society. Recreation, personal defense, and to protect us from our government.
how would you use a gun to protect you from your government?
For the exact reason the second amendment was put in to the constitution. Our founding fathers just broke away form an oppressive government, and wanted to ensure that our government never turned in to that. If the citizens are not armed, they are helpless. If they are armed, the could rise up, and the government must fear and respect them. History has many examples of a dictator taking away guns as his first priority. Then the people of that country are helpless.
Are you for real? What kind of country have you deluded yourself into thinking you live in?! Don't make me laugh.
I work for an organisation that works in 27 countries, all of which are infinitely more unstable and fucked-up places than the US, ones that make the US look like HappyClappyMerryGoRoundLand. And it's those countries where everyone is toting a gun, and spouting off about armed rebellion like you, that are the ones that are in states of intractable anarchy and murderous mayhem. To convince yourself that the US is the same kind of place is not only laughably naive, it is quite unspeakably dangerous.
History is littered with examples of unarmed rebellions that didn't have to resort to killing people. In fact, that's precisely what the democracy America is so boastfully proud of is supposed to be for.
So unless you're in Burma, or Sudan, or 1970s Cambodia - someplace where you have a legitimate and real reason to fear the government, then let's hear no more foolishness about needing guns to protect yourself against your government. It's preposterous and delusional. Just be happy that you live where you do and not somewhere where your argument might actually be valid.
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I disagree with you that if you follow your training you will never have an accident. NEVER to me is too finite of word in gun safety. I've had a DC police softball friend let me handle his service revolver, safetied it, removed the magazine and he thought there was not a round in the chamber. I checked it, checked the sites and there was a round in it, he didn't believe me till I gave it back to him. He realized his mistake and I told him I understood. That's why it's always key to never point a loaded (with the safety on) or unloaded weapon at anyone.
So because you followed your training, nothing happened. That is exactly my point. If you always follow your training, you will always be safe.
you seem convinced you're going to be a slave of some kind? why do you fear a government in this way? it's not rational? at least the people of 30s Germany had something to fear.... a nazi dictator... but the worlds largest democracy? odd.
Which country is that? My country is a Republic, not a democracy.
You know there were people worried about the Nazis in the 1930s, and there were people like you saying they were crazy. I don’t understand why some of you think that “times have changed” and history will not repeat. I think you have been listening to you 1995 Christmas single too much.
actually its mother against drunk driving not drunk drivers. Those mother have also gone against alcohol. they have tried to limit the amount of alcohol a person can have when they are driving. They realize that the "tool" which is the alcohol is a weapon just like people realize that guns are a weapon. I just don't know how you can separate a tool and a person. if the person doesn't have access to that tool they can't use it.
The mission of MADD is to stop drunk driving. Without the person, there can be no drunk driving. You could put a bottle of vodka in a car, and nothing will happen unless someone chooses to use it.
If you are working on a project at home and need one tool, say a hammer, but don't have one. What do you do? Do you use another tool to accomplish the same task? Do you go acquire a hammer at the hardware store? Would you stop your project just because you didn't have the exact tool you thought you needed at that instant?
See the point? If a person doesn't have access to the tool one way, he will get it another way, or find a substitute.
Are you for real? What kind of country have you deluded yourself into thinking you live in?! Don't make me laugh.
I work for an organisation that works in 27 countries, all of which are infinitely more unstable and fucked-up places than the US, ones that make the US look like HappyClappyMerryGoRoundLand. And it's those countries where everyone is toting a gun, and spouting off about armed rebellion like you, that are the ones that are in states of intractable anarchy and murderous mayhem. To convince yourself that the US is the same kind of place is not only laughably naive, it is quite unspeakably dangerous.
History is littered with examples of unarmed rebellions that didn't have to resort to killing people. In fact, that's precisely what the democracy America is so boastfully proud of is supposed to be for.
So unless you're in Burma, or Sudan, or 1970s Cambodia - someplace where you have a legitimate and real reason to fear the government, then let's hear no more foolishness about needing guns to protect yourself against your government. It's preposterous and delusional. Just be happy that you live where you do and not somewhere where your argument might actually be valid.
Wow you liberals really love your government, I guess I would too if I was dependant upon them. I guess every government in the world is run by really nice people who just want to help, and it will always be that way? Go read the entire thread if you think you need to post your two cents, your post is completely irrelevant to the conversation. You get in to stuff that was never brought up. Before you come back and enlighten us with any more of your crazy rants, you might want to read up on your history, or at least learn that America is not a Democracy.
I disagree with you that if you follow your training you will never have an accident. NEVER to me is too finite of word in gun safety. I've had a DC police softball friend let me handle his service revolver, safetied it, removed the magazine and he thought there was not a round in the chamber. I checked it, checked the sites and there was a round in it, he didn't believe me till I gave it back to him. He realized his mistake and I told him I understood. That's why it's always key to never point a loaded (with the safety on) or unloaded weapon at anyone.
So because you followed your training, nothing happened. That is exactly my point. If you always follow your training, you will always be safe.
you seem convinced you're going to be a slave of some kind? why do you fear a government in this way? it's not rational? at least the people of 30s Germany had something to fear.... a nazi dictator... but the worlds largest democracy? odd.
Which country is that? My country is a Republic, not a democracy.
You know there were people worried about the Nazis in the 1930s, and there were people like you saying they were crazy. I don’t understand why some of you think that “times have changed” and history will not repeat. I think you have been listening to you 1995 Christmas single too much.
actually its mother against drunk driving not drunk drivers. Those mother have also gone against alcohol. they have tried to limit the amount of alcohol a person can have when they are driving. They realize that the "tool" which is the alcohol is a weapon just like people realize that guns are a weapon. I just don't know how you can separate a tool and a person. if the person doesn't have access to that tool they can't use it.
The mission of MADD is to stop drunk driving. Without the person, there can be no drunk driving. You could put a bottle of vodka in a car, and nothing will happen unless someone chooses to use it.
If you are working on a project at home and need one tool, say a hammer, but don't have one. What do you do? Do you use another tool to accomplish the same task? Do you go acquire a hammer at the hardware store? Would you stop your project just because you didn't have the exact tool you thought you needed at that instant?
See the point? If a person doesn't have access to the tool one way, he will get it another way, or find a substitute.
Lad what is your fascination with 1930s Germany, how are you even comparing the 2, please give it a rest with the whole government thing, you are really coming across as paranoid.
This is not meant as a personal slate, your government is not out to get you, you're just not that important. Let go of the fear and paranoia and just get on with your life. There are times when decisions your government will make are in your favor and you may see the consequences - great, however can also screw you in some decisions aswell, that's life, has always been, doesn't mean life as you know it is coming to an end.
Lad what is your fascination with 1930s Germany, how are you even comparing the 2, please give it a rest with the whole government thing, you are really coming across as paranoid.
This is not meant as a personal slate, your government is not out to get you, you're just not that important. Let go of the fear and paranoia and just get on with your life. There are times when decisions your government will make are in your favor and you may see the consequences - great, however can also screw you in some decisions aswell, that's life, has always been, doesn't mean life as you know it is coming to an end.
All is well, All is well, All is well. Enjoy your youth while you can son. Maybe someday you take off the blinders and realize that all is not well. Someday you will realize that history repeats, and we should learn from it, 1930s Germany just an example. Just because it doesn't fit your agenda, doesn't make it any less true. Here is some more history to learn from, quotes from another "Wacko":
"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty." - Thomas Jefferson
"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government. " - Thomas Jefferson
Wow you liberals really love your government, I guess I would too if I was dependant upon them. I guess every government in the world is run by really nice people who just want to help, and it will always be that way? Go read the entire thread if you think you need to post your two cents, your post is completely irrelevant to the conversation. You get in to stuff that was never brought up. Before you come back and enlighten us with any more of your crazy rants, you might want to read up on your history, or at least learn that America is not a Democracy.
It's got nothing to do with "loving" your government. You speak of my post as being irrelevant, but yet yours is just making wild presumptions that have absolutely nothing to do with my post.
As it happens, my government is far from nice, does very little other than help itself, and I will act against it by using my vote. That's what civilised societies do. And it works, at least somewhat. Certainly better than guns!
You say America is not a democracy, it's a republic. Are the two things mutually exclusive? No. I also live in a democratic republic.
And for a country that is not a democracy (I will agree that it is not a proper democracy - the electoral colege system shows that), your leaders (in particular GWB) have done an awful lot of "exporting democracy" in recent years.
As to whether my post isrelevant, it was a direct response to a post of yours, so...
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If a person doesn't have access to the tool one way, he will get it another way, or find a substitute.
So then how do you explain the fact that murders with firearms are 30 x higher per capita in the U.S than in the U.K?
Well if true, it would probably be because firearms aren't as readily available. But you have to look at the entire picture. Are murder rates higher with other weapons? You can't just look at one peice of the puzzle. There are many factors.
Also, how do you prove that total murders would be less without guns? How do you know that someone just wouldn't find another way?
You say America isnot a deemocracy, it's a republic. Are the two things mutually exclusive? No. I also live in a democratic republic.
And for a country that is not a democracy (I will agree that it is not a proper democracy - the electoral colege system shows that), your leaders (in particular GWB0 have done an awful lot of "exporting democracy in recent years.
Well if true, it would probably be because firearms aren't as readily available.
No shit Sherlock. And if all those people in the U.K - to use an example - who picked up a knife and killed someone with it could have grabbed a gun instead then I'm pretty sure there'd be a lot less Brits walking the Earth today.
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Just want to remind myself that sadly people everywhere die for no reason.
You know, apart from attempted assassinations on congresswomen and innocent people in the vicinity of them...
'Cause, you know, up here in Canada, they raise taxes and we just shoot a couple of our MPs. No big deal, the prime minister likes to come rape our families every now and then so its good we have a few firearms on hand. Seem to go through a lot of PMs though, these days....
So we should just give up our guns and be slaves to our government? we overthrew the last one with guns.
it isn't a daily thing. But I can say that it is more and more unlikely a coup could happen in this country, or any type of government authoritarian take over simply because people have weapons, in some cases GIANT stock piles of weapons that would cause a long drawn out fight. That isn't to say that weapons at home are the only reason that something like that hasn't happened, but it is definitely a check on it. At least, I think that is the mentality. Who knows, I use mine for home protection (clients I work with have actually threatened me) as well as hunting birds.
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do you honestly believe that you are not slaves to your government and business? which one was the last one again?
as an outsider (from Canada) i just can't help but laugh at this and i am not laughing at your mike. do people actually think that people can protect themselves against the government if they really wanted to take everything over.
influence i guess, it's like that line from the movie "Untouchables" you can get further with a kind word and a gun then just a kind word.
i get what your saying, if the Government comes knocking and your just an individual with a gun what are really gona do to stop them? but you know what, give them something to think about.
Perhaps if more people had been carrying guns at that location, the one of them which was completely insane wouldn't have made it successfully to that 9-year-old girl.
perhaps if more people had guns more people would have been shot by accident. the answer is not more guns. the answer is less.
I haven't had a chance to go through all the comments made here but this will be my last in this thread about a little girl born on a day of violence 9/11 and died on a day of violence.
I agree that guns DO have a use in modern society. I was at one time the #2 rifleman on my college rifleteam. We shot 22 smallbore rifles and gun safety was ALWAYS a must. One great thing i learned from being on that rifleteam and the military was discipline. The discipline it took in learning the art of breathing, sighting and gently squeezing the trigger of the weapon. The pleasure of hitting the bullseye whether prone, kneeling or the standing position.
I disagree with you that if you follow your training you will never have an accident. NEVER to me is too finite of word in gun safety. I've had a DC police softball friend let me handle his service revolver, safetied it, removed the magazine and he thought there was not a round in the chamber. I checked it, checked the sites and there was a round in it, he didn't believe me till I gave it back to him. He realized his mistake and I told him I understood. That's why it's always key to never point a loaded (with the safety on) or unloaded weapon at anyone.
Peace and stay safe peeps.
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Ha - excellent
you seem convinced you're going to be a slave of some kind? why do you fear a government in this way? it's not rational? at least the people of 30s Germany had something to fear.... a nazi dictator... but the worlds largest democracy? odd.
at least if you were China you'd get taught the difference between 'then' and 'than'
Overthrew the last government with guns?? Wasn't that W.? That would seem unlikely, given that he would normally call the gun touting crowd his power base - but hey, I don't read the newspapers every day so I could have missed le revolution.
Another thing, it has come up time and time again from the gun crowd about defending yourselves against your government - like if there was one crowd in a country, like America, that I would definitly not want to be paranoid, it's the gun crowd. But seriously what is your deal with the defending against govnerment thing, what you think is going to happen?
I love how some of you can rip on countries you see as commie, as they don't endevour to replicate the shining beacon in the world that is AMMEERRRIIIIIIICA, yet for some of you, from what i have been reading live in fear that your own government is coming to get you - doesn't sound like my type of place. And before I get the tired old replies of "your happy to bend over for your government" or "happy to have the government run your life" blah blah blah....I question the actions of my goverment all the time, hell I've taken to the streets on more than one occasion - but I don't, nor have I ever, feared them.
And while criminals will always find ways to commit crimes regardless of the laws...why don't we make it just a little bit harder for someone to kill a large group of people all at once?
I'm all for stricter gun control. I think it is obvious that the US needs to re-evaluate it. Guns are no longer going to protect you from your government anyhow.
I work for an organisation that works in 27 countries, all of which are infinitely more unstable and fucked-up places than the US, ones that make the US look like HappyClappyMerryGoRoundLand. And it's those countries where everyone is toting a gun, and spouting off about armed rebellion like you, that are the ones that are in states of intractable anarchy and murderous mayhem. To convince yourself that the US is the same kind of place is not only laughably naive, it is quite unspeakably dangerous.
History is littered with examples of unarmed rebellions that didn't have to resort to killing people. In fact, that's precisely what the democracy America is so boastfully proud of is supposed to be for.
So unless you're in Burma, or Sudan, or 1970s Cambodia - someplace where you have a legitimate and real reason to fear the government, then let's hear no more foolishness about needing guns to protect yourself against your government. It's preposterous and delusional. Just be happy that you live where you do and not somewhere where your argument might actually be valid.
96: Cork, Dublin
00: Dublin
06: London, Dublin
07: London, Copenhagen, Nijmegen
09: Manchester, London
10: Dublin, Belfast, London & Berlin
11: San José
12: Isle of Wight, Copenhagen, Ed in Manchester & London x2
So because you followed your training, nothing happened. That is exactly my point. If you always follow your training, you will always be safe.
Which country is that? My country is a Republic, not a democracy.
You know there were people worried about the Nazis in the 1930s, and there were people like you saying they were crazy. I don’t understand why some of you think that “times have changed” and history will not repeat. I think you have been listening to you 1995 Christmas single too much.
The mission of MADD is to stop drunk driving. Without the person, there can be no drunk driving. You could put a bottle of vodka in a car, and nothing will happen unless someone chooses to use it.
If you are working on a project at home and need one tool, say a hammer, but don't have one. What do you do? Do you use another tool to accomplish the same task? Do you go acquire a hammer at the hardware store? Would you stop your project just because you didn't have the exact tool you thought you needed at that instant?
See the point? If a person doesn't have access to the tool one way, he will get it another way, or find a substitute.
Wow you liberals really love your government, I guess I would too if I was dependant upon them. I guess every government in the world is run by really nice people who just want to help, and it will always be that way? Go read the entire thread if you think you need to post your two cents, your post is completely irrelevant to the conversation. You get in to stuff that was never brought up. Before you come back and enlighten us with any more of your crazy rants, you might want to read up on your history, or at least learn that America is not a Democracy.
Lad what is your fascination with 1930s Germany, how are you even comparing the 2, please give it a rest with the whole government thing, you are really coming across as paranoid.
This is not meant as a personal slate, your government is not out to get you, you're just not that important. Let go of the fear and paranoia and just get on with your life. There are times when decisions your government will make are in your favor and you may see the consequences - great, however can also screw you in some decisions aswell, that's life, has always been, doesn't mean life as you know it is coming to an end.
All is well, All is well, All is well. Enjoy your youth while you can son. Maybe someday you take off the blinders and realize that all is not well. Someday you will realize that history repeats, and we should learn from it, 1930s Germany just an example. Just because it doesn't fit your agenda, doesn't make it any less true. Here is some more history to learn from, quotes from another "Wacko":
"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty." - Thomas Jefferson
"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government. " - Thomas Jefferson
So then how do you explain the fact that murders with firearms are 30 x higher per capita in the U.S than in the U.K?
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_m ... h-firearms
Murders with firearms (most recent) by country
Total recorded intentional homicides committed with a firearm.
Showing latest available data.
Rank Countries Amount
# 1 South Africa: 31,918
# 2 Colombia: 21,898
# 3 Thailand: 20,032
# 4 United States: 9,369
# 5 Philippines: 7,708
# 6 Mexico: 2,606
# 7 Slovakia: 2,356
# 8 El Salvador: 1,441
# 9 Zimbabwe: 598
# 10 Peru: 442
# 11 Germany: 269
# 12 Czech Republic: 181
# 13 Ukraine: 173
# 14 Canada: 144
# 15 Albania: 135
# 16 Costa Rica: 131
# 17 Azerbaijan: 120
# 18 Poland: 111
# 19 Uruguay: 109
# 20 Spain: 97
# 21 Portugal: 90
# 22 Croatia: 76
# 23 Switzerland: 68
# 24 Bulgaria: 63
# 25 Australia: 59
# 26 Sweden: 58
# 27 Bolivia: 52
# 28 Japan: 47
# 29 Slovenia: 39
= 30 Hungary: 38
= 30 Belarus: 38
# 32 Latvia: 28
# 33 Burma: 27
# 34 Macedonia, The Former Yugoslav Republic of: 26
# 35 Austria: 25
# 36 Estonia: 21
# 37 Moldova: 20
# 38 Lithuania: 16
= 39 United Kingdom: 14
= 39 Denmark: 14
# 41 Ireland: 12
# 42 New Zealand: 10
# 43 Chile: 9
# 44 Cyprus: 4
# 45 Morocco: 1
= 46 Iceland: 0
= 46 Luxembourg: 0
= 46 Oman: 0
It's got nothing to do with "loving" your government. You speak of my post as being irrelevant, but yet yours is just making wild presumptions that have absolutely nothing to do with my post.
As it happens, my government is far from nice, does very little other than help itself, and I will act against it by using my vote. That's what civilised societies do. And it works, at least somewhat. Certainly better than guns!
You say America is not a democracy, it's a republic. Are the two things mutually exclusive? No. I also live in a democratic republic.
And for a country that is not a democracy (I will agree that it is not a proper democracy - the electoral colege system shows that), your leaders (in particular GWB) have done an awful lot of "exporting democracy" in recent years.
As to whether my post isrelevant, it was a direct response to a post of yours, so...
96: Cork, Dublin
00: Dublin
06: London, Dublin
07: London, Copenhagen, Nijmegen
09: Manchester, London
10: Dublin, Belfast, London & Berlin
11: San José
12: Isle of Wight, Copenhagen, Ed in Manchester & London x2
Well if true, it would probably be because firearms aren't as readily available. But you have to look at the entire picture. Are murder rates higher with other weapons? You can't just look at one peice of the puzzle. There are many factors.
Also, how do you prove that total murders would be less without guns? How do you know that someone just wouldn't find another way?
We are a representative republic.
No shit Sherlock. And if all those people in the U.K - to use an example - who picked up a knife and killed someone with it could have grabbed a gun instead then I'm pretty sure there'd be a lot less Brits walking the Earth today.