9 year old girl shot yesterday...
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I see that yesterday a 9-year old little girl was murdered together with 5 others by someone with a 9mm hand gun. When are we going to stop thinking its ok to live in a society where we tolerate the carrying of concealed or non-concealed guns in public?
If you think its madness then please use your voice so that other people like you who feel the same as you don’t feel they are alone.
If you think its madness then please use your voice so that other people like you who feel the same as you don’t feel they are alone.
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your argument would much better if it was in the correct location.
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sucks for the family, but what does this have to do with PJ?
a reach but Ed's a cubs fan, the girl was former cubs gm dallas green's granddaughter.
Virginia Beach outside in the grass 2008
Philly Spectrum night 2 2009
New York MSG night 2 2010
Montreal Bell Centre 2011
7 degrees of eddie :?:
I agree, this post is madness! If more people would have had concealed weapons, this situation wouldn't have been as bad. "Bad people" will always find a way to get guns, legally or not. So let everyone else protect themselves. It's insane to think that creating a law to disarm those that follow the law will accomplish anything.
You really need to research the topic more. Look in to the bad things that happen with more gun control. Look in to why our founding fathers put the second Second Amendment in to the Constitution.
handguns were pretty much illegal in chicago for a long time. ironically enough, hundreds of people are shot and killed with handguns on an annual basis. brilliant.
Here are some facts for you.
FACT: The non-gun homicide rate for children in the U.S. is more than twice as high than other western countries.
Eight times as many children die from non-gun violent acts than from gun crimes.
* Kids and Guns, 2000, Office of Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention
This indicates that the problem is violence, NOT guns !!
FACT: 82% of homicides to children age 13 and under were committed without a gun.
* 1997, FBI Uniform Crime Statistics
FACT: 0.1% of all deaths for children between the ages 0-14 are from firearms, 0.6% are from motor vehicles, 5.3% are from being struck in beatings or bludgeoning, 6.0% from poisoning, and 42.6% from suffocation.
* 1997 National Center for Health Statistics National Vital Statistics Report
FACT: In 1996 there were only 21 accidental gun deaths for children under age 15. About twice as many children under 10 die from drowning in bathtubs.
* Centers for Disease Control
MYTH: 13 Children are killed each day by guns.
FACT: The statistics cited for this myth include "children" up to age 19 or age 24, depending on the source. Most violent crime is committed by males ages 16-24, so these numbers include adult gang members dying during criminal activity.
*FBI Uniform Crime Statistics, 1997
FACT: 18-20 year olds commit over 23% of all gun murders. None of these criminals are allowed to purchase a handgun due to their age under current law.
* U.S. Treasury and Justice Dept. Report, 1999
FACT: During the Clinton administration, federal prosecutions of gun-related crimes dropped more than 44%.
* Transactional Records Access Clearinghouse (TRAC) at Syracuse Univ. 1992-1998
FACT: There are more than 22,000 gun laws at the city, county, state, and federal level.
* BATF estimate, 1992
If gun control worked, then we should be free of crime.
FACT: There are more guns in the U.S. than cars (228,000,000 guns according to the 1998 FBI statistics and 207,754,000 automobiles according to the 1998 Federal Highway Administration registrations). Yet, you are 31 times more likely to be accidentally killed by a car than a gun according to the National Safety Council…despite cars having been registered and licensed for more than 100 years.
FACT: 90% of all violent crime in the U.S. does not involve any gun of any type.
* 1998 Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms
FACT: Less than 1% of all guns will ever be used in the commission of any type of crime (much less violent crime).
*FBI Uniform Crime Statistics, 1994
FACT: Two-thirds of the people that die each year from gunfire are criminals shooting other criminals.
* FBI Uniform Crime Statistics, 1994
FACT: The national five day waiting period under the Brady Bill had no impact on murder or robbery, but slightly increased rape and aggravated assault rates by a few percent. For these two crime categories, the major effect was to delay law-abiding citizens from getting a gun for protection. The risks were greatest for crimes against women.
* Dr. John Lott Jr., Univ. of Chicago School of Law
FACT: Guns prevent an estimated 2.5 million crimes a year, or 6,849 per day.
* Gary Kleck, Criminologist, Florida State Univ.
Often the gun is never fired and no blood (including the criminals) is shed.
FACT: Every day, 550 rapes, 1,100 murders, and 5,200 other violent crimes per day are prevented just by showing a handgun. In less than 0.9% of the time is the gun ever actually ever fired.
* Gary Kleck, Criminologist, Florida State Univ.
FACT: Every year, people in the United States use a gun to defend themselves against criminals an estimated 2,500,000 times- more than 6,500 people a day, or once every 13 seconds.
* Fall 1995, Journal of Criminal Law and Criminology
This means that, each year, firearms are used 65 times more often to protect the lives of honest citizens than to take lives.
FACT: Of the 250,000,000 annual self-defense cases using guns, more than 7.7% are by women defending themselves against sexual abuse.
* U.S. Dept. of Justice, Law Enforcement Assistance Administration,
Rape Victimization in 26 American Cities, 1979
MYTH: Concealed Carry Laws Increase Crime
FACT: When citizens are allowed to carry concealed weapons:
* Murder rates drop 8%
* Rape rates fall 5%
* Aggravated assaults drop 7%
More to the point, crime is significantly higher in states without right -to -carry laws.
TYPE OF CRIME HOW MUCH HIGHER IN RESTRICTIVE STATES (states without Concealed carry laws)
Violent Crime ……………………81% higher
Murder ………………………….. 86% higher
Rape …………………………… 25% higher
Assault…………………………… 82% higher
Robbery………………………….. 105% higher
Auto Theft……………………….. 60% higher
* John Lott, David Mustard: This study involved county level crime statistics from all 3,054 counties in the U.S. from 1977 through 1992. During this time, ten states adopted right-to-carry laws. It is estimated that if all states had adopted right-to-carry laws, in 1992 the U.S. would have avoided 1,400 murders, 4,200 rapes, 12,000 robberies, 60,000 aggravated assaults- and would have saved over $5,000,000,000 in victim expenses.
FACT: 92.7% of law enforcement officials believe that citizens should be able to purchase firearms for self-defense and sporting purposes.
* 1999 Police Survey, National Assoc. of Chiefs of Police
MYTH: Police are our protection, and people don't need guns.
FACT: The courts have consistently ruled that the police do not have an obligation to protect individuals. In Warren v. District of Columbia Metropolitan Police Dept.,
444 A.2d 1 (D.C. App. 1981), the court stated: 'Courts have without exception concluded that when a municipality or other governmental entity undertakes to furnish police services, it assumes a duty only to the public at large and not to individual members of the community.'
FACT: After Canada's 1977 gun controls prohibited handgun possession for self defense, the "breaking and entering" crime rate rose 25%, surpassing the U.S. rate.
* Pat Mayhew, Residential Burglary: A Comparison of the United States,
Canada and England and Wales (Nat'l Inst. Of Just., Wash., D.C., 1987)
MYTH: Japan has strict gun control and a less violent society.
FACT: In Japan, the murder rate is about 1 per 100,000. In the U.S., there are about 3.2 murders per 100,000 each year by weapons other than firearms.
* United Nations data
Therefore, if all of the firearms in the U.S. could magically be eliminated, we would still have three times the murder rate of Japan.
i'm pro CCW
source: dunk's Bible of Empathy. chapter 69
Why didn't you say anthing to the OP who opened this thread to use the little girls death so he could express his opinion on gun laws??? Oh thats right because your views are in agreeance. Nice try...
Thank you Dunk!
And another FACT: every child killed by violence is one child too much. Arguing about what kind of weapon was used is so stupid.
i'm using other peoples views as a platform for my views on gun control... i have no political ideology by the way... you live in a country with only 2 opposing political parties... thats not healthy for a start... but my views on gun control come from common sense NOT political.
and yes i do agree with the OP... its perhaps time to look at your laws... people are continually dying... thats empathy because a 9 year old girl was murdered and people are trying to look into a way to sort the problem... all people like you are doing is standing chest out, waving flags and beating the same old drum about rights and freedoms...
go and find the parents of this kid and stand on their doorstep and say "hey i just wanted to say its a shame about your little girl but listen to this... FACT: Every year, people in the United States use a gun to defend themselves against criminals an estimated 2,500,000 times- more than 6,500 people a day, or once every 13 seconds. NOW do you feel better? Your little girl is dead but at least we have a dubious statistic which claims we are safer in our homes because we can shoot people trying to steal our Xboxes"
Hypothetically, if there were no guns. This guy would have used a bomb. More people would have died. That’s brilliant!
So you would rather that 6,500 people a day use a butter knife to defend themselves against criminals
do you guys have a secret gun forum where you copy and paste this shit all day long? same old shit... every time.
well i'll come back to you after I have won the lottery and been struck by lightning... both of which are about as likely to happen as the scenario you have so lavishly painted for us.
hahaha
You beat me to it. But seriously, Dunk, here in America, would-be rapists break into our homes on a nightly basis. I shot three last week and that was a slow one...
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Born here, lived here my own life.
Never, for a moment, felt the need to own a gun to protect myself or my family.
Do any of you have families??? do you have locks on your door, if so why???
quite a common thing for a family to be raped and killed by overpowering criminals in America is it??
because it would seem mass shooting spralls are fairly regular...
http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/ ... tings.html
but i don't recall reading much on the habitual raping of families at the hands of overpowering criminals?? not until you invented it for me... this is one invention that Scotland definitely did not come up with.
wow, you are really stretching to try and make that point. Violent crime is not something which is exclusive to America, and we can play the what if game until we are all blue in the face, perhaps already there. Fact is, gun ownership in the states has done nothing to deter criminals, and if anything, has caused more harm to the citizenry.
In my opinion, for what it's worth, it is by far and away the most backward aspect of America. What good has it done, I don't own a gun, nor do any of my family or friends, we're all still here, the world hasn't ended. But then it must be said, if my friends and family were exposed to the sheer level of dangerous, bigoted, biased propaganda costumed as media, then yeah I guess I'd be scared shitless enough to think they (the Muslims, or Chinese, or Commies, or Liberals, or Killer Bees, or Mexicans etc etc etc...) were coming to rape and kill my family.
As for a family my wife and I have 5 daughters and a son between us.