9 year old girl shot yesterday...

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  • dunkman
    dunkman Posts: 19,646
    HeidiJam wrote:
    nuffingman wrote:
    MG79478 wrote:
    Yes, because it’s common sense to disarm the law abiding citizens. Do you know what happens when a government disarms law abiding citizens? The bad guys keep their guns, and their job just got easier. Do you understand why our founding fathers put it in our constitution that we have the right to bear arms? I really don’t think you do.

    Hypothetically, if there were no guns. This guy would have used a bomb. More people would have died. That’s brilliant!

    So you would rather that 6,500 people a day use a butter knife to defend themselves against criminals
    I have never in my life felt that I should have a gun to protect myself or my family. If you feel you need to in the States then it's a very sick place to be.
    Come back to me when your family is raped and killed because you were overpowered by criminals with guns... I am a responsible gun owner so i see no reason why I would forefit my safety of my family.

    well i'll come back to you after I have won the lottery and been struck by lightning... both of which are about as likely to happen as the scenario you have so lavishly painted for us.
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • eyedclaar
    eyedclaar Posts: 6,980
    dunkman wrote:
    well i'll come back to you after I have won the lottery and been struck by lightning... both of which are about as likely to happen as the scenario you have so lavishly painted for us.

    hahaha

    You beat me to it. But seriously, Dunk, here in America, would-be rapists break into our homes on a nightly basis. I shot three last week and that was a slow one...
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  • unlost dogs
    unlost dogs Greater Boston Posts: 12,553
    nuffingman wrote:
    MG79478 wrote:
    Yes, because it’s common sense to disarm the law abiding citizens. Do you know what happens when a government disarms law abiding citizens? The bad guys keep their guns, and their job just got easier. Do you understand why our founding fathers put it in our constitution that we have the right to bear arms? I really don’t think you do.

    Hypothetically, if there were no guns. This guy would have used a bomb. More people would have died. That’s brilliant!

    So you would rather that 6,500 people a day use a butter knife to defend themselves against criminals
    I have never in my life felt that I should have a gun to protect myself or my family. If you feel you need to in the States then it's a very sick place to be.

    Born here, lived here my own life.

    Never, for a moment, felt the need to own a gun to protect myself or my family.
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  • Blockhead
    Blockhead Posts: 1,538
    dunkman wrote:
    HeidiJam wrote:
    Come back to me when your family is raped and killed because you were overpowered by criminals with guns... I am a responsible gun owner so i see no reason why I would forefit my safety of my family.

    well i'll come back to you after I have won the lottery and been struck by lightning... both of which are about as likely to happen as the scenario you have so lavishly painted for us.
    That scenario is much more likely to happen than what happend to this little girl in Arizona...
  • nuffingman
    nuffingman Posts: 3,014
    unlost dogs wrote:
    nuffingman wrote:
    MG79478 wrote:
    Yes, because it’s common sense to disarm the law abiding citizens. Do you know what happens when a government disarms law abiding citizens? The bad guys keep their guns, and their job just got easier. Do you understand why our founding fathers put it in our constitution that we have the right to bear arms? I really don’t think you do.

    Hypothetically, if there were no guns. This guy would have used a bomb. More people would have died. That’s brilliant!

    So you would rather that 6,500 people a day use a butter knife to defend themselves against criminals
    I have never in my life felt that I should have a gun to protect myself or my family. If you feel you need to in the States then it's a very sick place to be.

    Born here, lived here my own life.

    Never, for a moment, felt the need to own a gun to protect myself or my family.
    Thank heavens for that. Sanity returns. :clap:
  • Blockhead
    Blockhead Posts: 1,538
    That is great that you all don't feel the need to have a gun, so why does it bother you that I am a responsible gun owner... What is your issue with this.
    Do any of you have families??? do you have locks on your door, if so why???
  • dunkman
    dunkman Posts: 19,646
    HeidiJam wrote:
    dunkman wrote:
    HeidiJam wrote:
    Come back to me when your family is raped and killed because you were overpowered by criminals with guns... I am a responsible gun owner so i see no reason why I would forefit my safety of my family.

    well i'll come back to you after I have won the lottery and been struck by lightning... both of which are about as likely to happen as the scenario you have so lavishly painted for us.
    That scenario is much more likely to happen than what happend to this little girl in Arizona...

    quite a common thing for a family to be raped and killed by overpowering criminals in America is it??

    because it would seem mass shooting spralls are fairly regular...
    http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/ ... tings.html

    but i don't recall reading much on the habitual raping of families at the hands of overpowering criminals?? not until you invented it for me... this is one invention that Scotland definitely did not come up with.
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • Moonpig
    Moonpig Posts: 659
    HeidiJam wrote:
    nuffingman wrote:
    MG79478 wrote:
    Yes, because it’s common sense to disarm the law abiding citizens. Do you know what happens when a government disarms law abiding citizens? The bad guys keep their guns, and their job just got easier. Do you understand why our founding fathers put it in our constitution that we have the right to bear arms? I really don’t think you do.

    Hypothetically, if there were no guns. This guy would have used a bomb. More people would have died. That’s brilliant!

    So you would rather that 6,500 people a day use a butter knife to defend themselves against criminals
    I have never in my life felt that I should have a gun to protect myself or my family. If you feel you need to in the States then it's a very sick place to be.
    Come back to me when your family is raped and killed because you were overpowered by criminals with guns... I am a responsible gun owner so i see no reason why I would forefit my safety of my family.

    wow, you are really stretching to try and make that point. Violent crime is not something which is exclusive to America, and we can play the what if game until we are all blue in the face, perhaps already there. Fact is, gun ownership in the states has done nothing to deter criminals, and if anything, has caused more harm to the citizenry.

    In my opinion, for what it's worth, it is by far and away the most backward aspect of America. What good has it done, I don't own a gun, nor do any of my family or friends, we're all still here, the world hasn't ended. But then it must be said, if my friends and family were exposed to the sheer level of dangerous, bigoted, biased propaganda costumed as media, then yeah I guess I'd be scared shitless enough to think they (the Muslims, or Chinese, or Commies, or Liberals, or Killer Bees, or Mexicans etc etc etc...) were coming to rape and kill my family.
  • nuffingman
    nuffingman Posts: 3,014
    HeidiJam wrote:
    That is great that you all don't feel the need to have a gun, so why does it bother you that I am a responsible gun owner... What is your issue with this.
    Do any of you have families??? do you have locks on your door, if so why???
    I don't have an issue with you being a responsible gun owner. I have an issue with you living in a society where you feel the need to have one. I also have a major issue with someone who isn't as responsible as you owning a gun. This is the person you feel the need to protect yourself from.

    As for a family my wife and I have 5 daughters and a son between us.
  • Blockhead
    Blockhead Posts: 1,538
    Moonpig wrote:

    wow, you are really stretching to try and make that point. Violent crime is not something which is exclusive to America, and we can play the what if game until we are all blue in the face, perhaps already there. Fact is, gun ownership in the states has done nothing to deter criminals, and if anything, has caused more harm to the citizenry.

    In my opinion, for what it's worth, it is by far and away the most backward aspect of America. What good has it done, I don't own a gun, nor do any of my family or friends, we're all still here, the world hasn't ended. But then it must be said, if my friends and family were exposed to the sheer level of dangerous, bigoted, biased propaganda costumed as media, then yeah I guess I'd be scared shitless enough to think they (the Muslims, or Chinese, or Commies, or Liberals, or Killer Bees, or Mexicans etc etc etc...) were coming to rape and kill my family.
    Why do you just make up shit... Fact is that gun ownership have deter criminals. Look at my first post in this thread. The one with all the facts and stats. No one other than me has posted a single facts. So shut the fuck up and quit making shit up.
  • unlost dogs
    unlost dogs Greater Boston Posts: 12,553
    Classy discourse here.
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  • Blockhead
    Blockhead Posts: 1,538
    nuffingman wrote:
    HeidiJam wrote:
    That is great that you all don't feel the need to have a gun, so why does it bother you that I am a responsible gun owner... What is your issue with this.
    Do any of you have families??? do you have locks on your door, if so why???
    I don't have an issue with you being a responsible gun owner. I have an issue with you living in a society where you feel the need to have one. I also have a major issue with someone who isn't as responsible as you owning a gun. This is the person you feel the need to protect yourself from.

    As for a family my wife and I have 5 daughters and a son between us.
    please show me this eutopian(sp) society before guns were invented.
  • dunkman
    dunkman Posts: 19,646
    HeidiJam wrote:
    That is great that you all don't feel the need to have a gun, so why does it bother you that I am a responsible gun owner... What is your issue with this.
    Do any of you have families??? do you have locks on your door, if so why???

    define responsible?


    all the guys in this link were 'responsible' ... i know you won't read it, but all of them committed mass shooting sprees with legally acquired weapons.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/0 ... 84391.html
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • Moonpig
    Moonpig Posts: 659
    HeidiJam wrote:
    Moonpig wrote:

    wow, you are really stretching to try and make that point. Violent crime is not something which is exclusive to America, and we can play the what if game until we are all blue in the face, perhaps already there. Fact is, gun ownership in the states has done nothing to deter criminals, and if anything, has caused more harm to the citizenry.

    In my opinion, for what it's worth, it is by far and away the most backward aspect of America. What good has it done, I don't own a gun, nor do any of my family or friends, we're all still here, the world hasn't ended. But then it must be said, if my friends and family were exposed to the sheer level of dangerous, bigoted, biased propaganda costumed as media, then yeah I guess I'd be scared shitless enough to think they (the Muslims, or Chinese, or Commies, or Liberals, or Killer Bees, or Mexicans etc etc etc...) were coming to rape and kill my family.
    Why do you just make up shit... Fact is that gun ownership have deter criminals. Look at my first post in this thread. The one with all the facts and stats. No one other than me has posted a single facts. So shut the fuck up and quit making shit up.

    I'm not making it up - i really don't own, nor do I know of anyone who owns, a gun
  • Blockhead
    Blockhead Posts: 1,538
    Moonpig wrote:
    HeidiJam wrote:
    Moonpig wrote:

    wow, you are really stretching to try and make that point. Violent crime is not something which is exclusive to America, and we can play the what if game until we are all blue in the face, perhaps already there. Fact is, gun ownership in the states has done nothing to deter criminals, and if anything, has caused more harm to the citizenry.

    In my opinion, for what it's worth, it is by far and away the most backward aspect of America. What good has it done, I don't own a gun, nor do any of my family or friends, we're all still here, the world hasn't ended. But then it must be said, if my friends and family were exposed to the sheer level of dangerous, bigoted, biased propaganda costumed as media, then yeah I guess I'd be scared shitless enough to think they (the Muslims, or Chinese, or Commies, or Liberals, or Killer Bees, or Mexicans etc etc etc...) were coming to rape and kill my family.
    Why do you just make up shit... Fact is that gun ownership have deter criminals. Look at my first post in this thread. The one with all the facts and stats. No one other than me has posted a single facts. So shut the fuck up and quit making shit up.
    I'm not making it up - i really don't own, nor do I know of anyone who owns, a gun
    You know I am talking about the first part of your post.
  • nuffingman
    nuffingman Posts: 3,014
    HeidiJam wrote:
    nuffingman wrote:
    HeidiJam wrote:
    That is great that you all don't feel the need to have a gun, so why does it bother you that I am a responsible gun owner... What is your issue with this.
    Do any of you have families??? do you have locks on your door, if so why???
    I don't have an issue with you being a responsible gun owner. I have an issue with you living in a society where you feel the need to have one. I also have a major issue with someone who isn't as responsible as you owning a gun. This is the person you feel the need to protect yourself from.

    As for a family my wife and I have 5 daughters and a son between us.
    please show me this eutopian(sp) society before guns were invented.
    I'm not sure I understand what you are saying. Utopian society? I don't remember mentioning or describing a Utopian Society.
  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
    Hugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    I don't agree with owning guns. Useless to me. If I had a time machine and could only use it for one thing, it would be to eliminate the invention of the thing. And yes, I have a wife and two beautiful daughters. But I don't think it's necessarily gun ownership, it's the culture.

    Responsible gun ownership does NOT 100% prevent accidents. FACT.

    http://everything2.com/title/Comparative+statistics+for+gun+ownership%252C+homicide+and+suicide+rates
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  • JonnyPistachio
    JonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,219
    Yeah, nobody said anything about a utpian society. Its just simply taking a long look at the lists of mass shootings recenlty and absolutely horrific losses of life that occur such as this little nine year old girl -- and one cant help to wonder that if guns werent so easily available, maybe much of this needless violence could be minimized.

    I live in a very violent are in south florida (gangs), and i've had a tough time deciding wehter or not I need a weapon. (or if I ever needed one, would it be readily available?) Am I a responsible owner if I keep it locked an loaded under my pillow? because if its not locked up in a safe, its not likely that i'll be able to get to it in an emergency.
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  • Blockhead
    Blockhead Posts: 1,538
    Paul David wrote:
    I don't agree with owning guns. Useless to me. If I had a time machine and could only use it for one thing, it would be to eliminate the invention of the thing. And yes, I have a wife and two beautiful daughters. But I don't think it's necessarily gun ownership, it's the culture.

    Responsible gun ownership does NOT 100% prevent accidents. FACT.

    http://everything2.com/title/Comparative+statistics+for+gun+ownership%252C+homicide+and+suicide+rates
    Yeah your right, its the culture :roll:
    I have my shotgun for one reason only, Home protection. I guess thats not good enough reason for your some of you...
  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
    Hugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    I personally don't understand why you have to be so disrespectful of others' opinions.

    nope, it's not good enough for me. what would happen I woke with a start and I thougth someone was breaking in, only to grab my gun and to shoot the "assailant" only to find I just shot my daughter who was just going to the bathroom? Don't say it doesn't happen, gun accidents by fearful people happen all the time. That's enough reason for me not to own one.
    HeidiJam wrote:
    Paul David wrote:
    I don't agree with owning guns. Useless to me. If I had a time machine and could only use it for one thing, it would be to eliminate the invention of the thing. And yes, I have a wife and two beautiful daughters. But I don't think it's necessarily gun ownership, it's the culture.

    Responsible gun ownership does NOT 100% prevent accidents. FACT.

    http://everything2.com/title/Comparative+statistics+for+gun+ownership%252C+homicide+and+suicide+rates
    Yeah your right, its the culture :roll:
    I have my shotgun for one reason only, Home protection. I guess thats not good enough reason for your some of you...
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