** TEN CLUB ANALOG AND DIGITAL MEMBERSHIPS **

Jeanwah

pjl44 wrote:

Kinsey wrote:

I'm no consumer rights expert, but it would seem to me to be extremely dodgy business practice to retrospectively charge you more for an item purchased in good faith based on the then current goods description. As far as I can see, at the time you renewed your membership the item description specified delivery of hard copies of both Deep and the Holiday vinyl. If I were you I would not send any cc details until you have received clarification on this.

This is a good point. I would suspect that if you didn't "upgrade," you get Deep and the record, but no t-shirt or download. If this is not the case, that's certainly a problem. Probably worth getting some clarification, if somebody is choosing to go that route and gets a definitive answer.

This makes me wonder... if 10C is not living up to their end of the contract (no Deep last year, inconsistent 'holiday' singles sent out), we consumers have more legal ground here, even before the legal membership contract change. :?:

hopethatuchoke

Jeanwah wrote:

This makes me wonder... if 10C is not living up to their end of the contract (no Deep last year, inconsistent 'holiday' singles sent out), we consumers have more legal ground here, even before the legal membership contract change. :?:

Possibly but the apologists would probably sabotage the case and protest outside of the courtroom Donna Martin Graduates style. Their obsession and love for the club rivals people's complaints 100:1 so they would no doubt take it personal.

I would never consider suing for something so trivial but sadly, that would be about the only thing that could get their attention. If it hasn't changed by now, it probably never will.

2-feign-reluctance

Ya'll are an upbeat crowd this Tuesday morning. :?

shadowcast

Holy sense of entitlement on this board. It is very typical these days for people 30 and under. See most of them get everything for free (spoiled) because of the internet so if you charge them for something the f-ing sky is falling and they can't calculate it. Most of you get shit for free like bootleg DVD's & CD's that the band does not say shit about. Then you have the nerve to bitch at an extra $20 for an upgraded membership and the standard $20 for the basic membership. Then stick with the basic $20 and shut the fuck up already. At least they are giving you options.


Ahh that felt good......

shortstack

Jeanwah wrote:

pjl44 wrote:

Kinsey wrote:

I'm no consumer rights expert, but it would seem to me to be extremely dodgy business practice to retrospectively charge you more for an item purchased in good faith based on the then current goods description. As far as I can see, at the time you renewed your membership the item description specified delivery of hard copies of both Deep and the Holiday vinyl. If I were you I would not send any cc details until you have received clarification on this.

This is a good point. I would suspect that if you didn't "upgrade," you get Deep and the record, but no t-shirt or download. If this is not the case, that's certainly a problem. Probably worth getting some clarification, if somebody is choosing to go that route and gets a definitive answer.

This makes me wonder... if 10C is not living up to their end of the contract (no Deep last year, inconsistent 'holiday' singles sent out), we consumers have more legal ground here, even before the legal membership contract change. :?:

really?!

shadowcast

hopethatuchoke wrote:

Jeanwah wrote:

This makes me wonder... if 10C is not living up to their end of the contract (no Deep last year, inconsistent 'holiday' singles sent out), we consumers have more legal ground here, even before the legal membership contract change. :?:

Possibly but the apologists would probably sabotage the case and protest outside of the courtroom Donna Martin Graduates style. Their obsession and love for the club rivals people's complaints 100:1 so they would no doubt take it personal.

I would never consider suing for something so trivial but sadly, that would be about the only thing that could get their attention. If it hasn't changed by now, it probably never will.

May both of you never win the lottery for a PJ show.

ComeToTX

10c wrote me back yesterday and said since i'm paid until 11/11 i'll receive the record and deep but not the t-shirt. didn't offer me a way to upgrade but if i like the shirt i'll go the ebay way. their designs are mostly miss for me anyway.

the '96 me would be surprised i'm still listening to a lot of the same bands.

hopethatuchoke

shadowcast wrote:

May both of you never win the lottery for a PJ show.

So because they don't deliver what we paid for, we shouldn't win the lottery?

And as I said, I would never sue for something so trivial and I highly doubt you could. I would laugh my ass off if someone tried doing that

lowbudgetlush

I understand that & have gone to the shows in chicago & cleveland on the backspacer tour. I guess my point is that Australia is not overlooked (or should feel unlucky) when it comes to touring. I do believe Ed is touring Australia this year.

RedMosquito22 wrote:

lowbudgetlush wrote:

A post like this kills me. You are complaining that you get to see them every three years. I live in the US & they have not played Detroit in almost 5 years! So who is the lucky one? So If i want to see them I have to travel like you could if you wanted to.

concerning the analog/digital membership, I dont mind paying an extra $20 however I dont really care about a t shirt or bootleg. Also dont tell me that I also get a vinyl record & the deep magazine for the extra cash. I already received those for $20.

Dude, it's a 4 hour drive to Chicago. Let's not act like they haven't played anywhere close to Detroit in the last 5 years.

ComeToTX

There are parts of this country that haven't been toured in almost a decade. I do not feel sorry for the Aussies.

tremors

The shittiest thing about this $20 rise is that it is getting lots of decent and sensible people that use this forum worked up into ripping all sorts of strips off each other. A price rise isn't great news, but this current situation online is fucking horrible. I know one of the main things we have in common is we all pay the Ten Club some money already - but the ill feeling this price rise is generating is very unpleasant. Is it worth it?

Kilgore_Trout

tremors wrote:

Is it worth it?

could this mean the end of the "jamily"?!?

DO THE RIGHT THING 10C!

tremors

Kilgore_Trout wrote:

tremors wrote:

Is it worth it?

could this mean the end of the "jamily"?!?

DO THE RIGHT THING 10C!

It's the end of reason

shortstack

tremors wrote:

The shittiest thing about this $20 rise is that it is getting lots of decent and sensible people that use this forum worked up into ripping all sorts of strips off each other. A price rise isn't great news, but this current situation online is fucking horrible. I know one of the main things we have in common is we all pay the Ten Club some money already - but the ill feeling this price rise is generating is very unpleasant. Is it worth it?

current situation? it's been like this as long as i can remember.

tremors

shortstack wrote:

tremors wrote:

The shittiest thing about this $20 rise is that it is getting lots of decent and sensible people that use this forum worked up into ripping all sorts of strips off each other. A price rise isn't great news, but this current situation online is fucking horrible. I know one of the main things we have in common is we all pay the Ten Club some money already - but the ill feeling this price rise is generating is very unpleasant. Is it worth it?

current situation? it's been like this as long as i can remember.

Well there seem to be times where the porch abounds with hostility and bitterness to other members, and this is one of them. There have also been plenty of times in the past year when people seem to be happy to get passionate about Pearl Jam. I wish there was as much strong feeling and passions aroused when discussing the music, as there seems to be whenever the favoured topic of argument comes up - Ten Club. I'm fucking bored of hearing about the Ten Club. I wanna hear what people think about the music! Such involved discussion of THAT is what is woefully thin a lot of times around here imho

Kilgore_Trout

tremors wrote:

shortstack wrote:

tremors wrote:

The shittiest thing about this $20 rise is that it is getting lots of decent and sensible people that use this forum worked up into ripping all sorts of strips off each other. A price rise isn't great news, but this current situation online is fucking horrible. I know one of the main things we have in common is we all pay the Ten Club some money already - but the ill feeling this price rise is generating is very unpleasant. Is it worth it?

current situation? it's been like this as long as i can remember.

Well there seem to be times where the porch abounds with hostility and bitterness to other members, and this is one of them. There have also been plenty of times in the past year when people seem to be happy to get passionate about Pearl Jam. I wish there was as much strong feeling and passions aroused when discussing the music, as there seems to be whenever the favoured topic of argument comes up - Ten Club. I'm fucking bored of hearing about the Ten Club. I wanna hear what people think about the music! Such involved discussion of THAT is what is woefully thin a lot of times around here imho

conversations about music require new music... new GOOD music more specifically

tremors

Kilgore_Trout wrote:

tremors wrote:

Well there seem to be times where the porch abounds with hostility and bitterness to other members, and this is one of them. There have also been plenty of times in the past year when people seem to be happy to get passionate about Pearl Jam. I wish there was as much strong feeling and passions aroused when discussing the music, as there seems to be whenever the favoured topic of argument comes up - Ten Club. I'm fucking bored of hearing about the Ten Club. I wanna hear what people think about the music! Such involved discussion of THAT is what is woefully thin a lot of times around here imho

conversations about music require new music... new GOOD music more specifically

I've enjoyed backspacer loads - and tried to articulate why I like it on quite a few occasions. However, after spending 18 months reading this forum I think I would find it hard to tell you quite why the people that don't like it don't like it. I could however give you a detailed list of the exact reasons people don't like the Ten Club, right off the top of my head. Forum members seem very articulate on these points

morello

ComeToTX wrote:

10c wrote me back yesterday and said since i'm paid until 11/11 i'll receive the record and deep but not the t-shirt. didn't offer me a way to upgrade but if i like the shirt i'll go the ebay way.

I wrote 10c asking about an upgrade as well & got the same reply. Looks like I miss out on the t-shirt & the download. Bummer. Perhaps I shouldn't have been on time with renewing my membership. :? Oh well I'm not to fussed about it. A week or so ago we didn't even know about the t-shirt & download.

Oh & for people's info they also said: "Please Note: We have not begun shipping the Deep 7 Magazine yet nor the 2010 Holiday Single. Rest assured the Magazine & Single will be mailed to you when they are finished."

RedMosquito22

morello wrote:

ComeToTX wrote:

10c wrote me back yesterday and said since i'm paid until 11/11 i'll receive the record and deep but not the t-shirt. didn't offer me a way to upgrade but if i like the shirt i'll go the ebay way.

I wrote 10c asking about an upgrade as well & got the same reply. Looks like I miss out on the t-shirt & the download. Bummer. Perhaps I shouldn't have been on time with renewing my membership. :? Oh well I'm not to fussed about it. A week or so ago we didn't even know about the t-shirt & download.

Oh & for people's info they also said: "Please Note: We have not begun shipping the Deep 7 Magazine yet nor the 2010 Holiday Single. Rest assured the Magazine & Single will be mailed to you when they are finished."

If you want it bad enough just get the analog membership. then you won't have to worry about another upgrade for almost 2 years.

Kilgore_Trout

tremors wrote:

Kilgore_Trout wrote:

tremors wrote:

Well there seem to be times where the porch abounds with hostility and bitterness to other members, and this is one of them. There have also been plenty of times in the past year when people seem to be happy to get passionate about Pearl Jam. I wish there was as much strong feeling and passions aroused when discussing the music, as there seems to be whenever the favoured topic of argument comes up - Ten Club. I'm fucking bored of hearing about the Ten Club. I wanna hear what people think about the music! Such involved discussion of THAT is what is woefully thin a lot of times around here imho

conversations about music require new music... new GOOD music more specifically

I've enjoyed backspacer loads - and tried to articulate why I like it on quite a few occasions. However, after spending 18 months reading this forum I think I would find it hard to tell you quite why the people that don't like it don't like it. I could however give you a detailed list of the exact reasons people don't like the Ten Club, right off the top of my head. Forum members seem very articulate on these points

i agree... don't know for sure what it is i dislike about backspacer... i just know it never clicked... its hard to articulate your grievances when your favorite band doesn't live up to your expectations... the guitars are too clean, the lyrics too "mature"/"cheesy" for me, the songs don't sound like a collective effort, too upbeat... i dunno

i think thats why its so easy to hate on the 10C... its NOT PJ... if PJ was more closely tied to the club you know there'd be a lot more people pussyfooting around their complaints... if people thought PJ was reading the forum they'd be a lot more careful about what they wrote

i don't know what that proves... i think 10C just has to revamp their image in some way... they keep going down the same BUSINESS BUSINESS BUSINESS route without reconsidering anything... bring in some new blood... do SOMETHING new