Matthew 12:31-32 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
But you can think what you will.
that is assuming we all believe in a world to come.
i do not like it when people threaten me with verses from a 2000 year old text. to me it takes away credibility because there is no way to prove that argument, and that it is based on faith alone, and not hard evidence. coming from a scientific background, faith does not hold much water in my opinion.
i don't speak words against God or Jesus, i just think that people give them too much credit. there are too many terrible things in this world for me to believe that "Jesus loves you" stuff. i believe that Jesus probably existed, and looking at it in a realistic perspective there is no way word of his legend and his deeds spread so far across the empire so fast in the short time of his ministry in a time where there were no newspapers and no mail, and no radio, when travel took months at a time, etc. it would take years and years for word of his works to spread across all of that land. and he only in the end had 11 people that he recruited to spread that word. for him to draw the attention of pilate he would have had to been a rabble rouser such as a modern revolutionary like Castro, Che, etc. and that could not have happened in the few years of his apparent 33 years of his life. just my take.
It wasn't a threat. He gives you a choice to believe or not.
how is that passage in that book not a threat?
"but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come."
There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self.- Hemingway
"but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come."
from now on please address me as cate the unforgiven.
hear my name
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
I don't remember Jesus killing anyone. Can you provide me with a verse of what you mean?.
Well if Jesus is the father and the holy ghost at the same time, then he killed a lot of people, and about suffering, well there's a little book in the bible called Job... that's one of the more clear examples of god being cruel just for the sake of it.
And what about the devil? well the devil is as fictional as god so there's nothing to say about him except that he doesn't show up too much in the bible.
"The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it"
Neil deGrasse Tyson
Matthew 12:31-32 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
By the way, God judged those He saw fit to judge. The "devil" is responsible for more suffering and death on this planet than what can easily be imagined.
By the way, Donald Duck's Grandfather was called Humperdink.
Matthew 12:31-32 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
But you can think what you will.
Electric Delta, what do you think about Dinosaurs?
It wasn't a threat. He gives you a choice to believe or not.
He is certainly giving us an offer we can't refuse, if the old testament is to be believed...
Peace
Dan
"YOU [humans] NEED TO BELIEVE IN THINGS THAT AREN'T TRUE. HOW ELSE CAN THEY BECOME?" - Death
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
In 2000 more years, maybe we'll all be practicing wizardry, worshipping our lord & savior "Harry Potter," & referencing the "holy books" of JK Rowling. This is from a "confirmed" Catholic (regretted mistake) who's never read any of these books & only saw a couple of the movies... once. But isn't fiction fun?
In 2000 more years, maybe we'll all be practicing wizardry, worshipping our lord & savior "Harry Potter," & referencing the "holy books" of JK Rowling. This is from a "confirmed" Catholic (regretted mistake) who's never read any of these books & only saw a couple of the movies... once. But isn't fiction fun?
"The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it"
Neil deGrasse Tyson
its the zombie's birthday in a month or so, does that mean i have to go out and buy a bunch of crap?
OR eat brains that day!
i dont mean to quibble but dont zombies have bodies?? im not sure what happened to jesus' body once he ascended to heaven.
if he went straight to heaven after they tortured him then the whole "rose from the dead" story doesn't fit. as it is it's the point of easter. he died for 3 days, he rose from the dead....but if you want to get into a factual debate about these fantastic stories you must be out your mind. who's proving what? and how?
There is no historical evidence of Jesus' existence. None whatsoever. And the New testament is not an historical work.
The Acts of the Apostles was written during the second half of the second century.
I was always under the impression that most historians, religious and otherwise, agreed that Jesus was actually a living human. oh well, back to AET I guess.
Gimli 1993
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
Remember.
The Freemasons claim them selves as the direct heirs of the Ancient Mysteries.
Actually, I believe in "speculative freemasonry" they only consider themselves to be guardians of the "LESSER mysteries", but the craft of "operative freemasonry" is the modern version of the "GREATER mysteries".
*Operative* freemasonry supposedly remains a completely secret craft to this day.
If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
I don't remember Jesus killing anyone. Can you provide me with a verse of what you mean?.
Well if Jesus is the father and the holy ghost at the same time, then he killed a lot of people, and about suffering, well there's a little book in the bible called Job... that's one of the more clear examples of god being cruel just for the sake of it.
And what about the devil? well the devil is as fictional as god so there's nothing to say about him except that he doesn't show up too much in the bible.
When was the last time you read the Bible? Satan appears many times in it.
Also, Job's suffering was a test. God tested his faith and in the end, Job benefitted more than he could've imagined.
Matthew 12:31-32 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
But you can think what you will.
Electric Delta, what do you think about Dinosaurs?
I think about them about as much as I ponder over any of your posts.
"but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come."
from now on please address me as cate the unforgiven.
Done... I dub thee Unforgiven
(wait, which band's message board am I on?)
And I listen for the voice inside my head... nothing. I'll do this one myself.
So... if god and the devil actually do exist... and the stuff from the bible is true... where are they now? God apparently used to talk to people all the time. He used to smite people on a regular basis, didn't he? Where's the big booming voice from the heavens?
I used to go to church on a regular basis as a kid, and then stopped. Cold turkey. There were far too many flaws and WTF moments for my liking. Science provides concrete answers and examples that don't change and can be seen every day. I'll take those explanations over "A magical guy in the sky did it" any day of the week. Religions all stemmed from the same place - primitive societies trying to figure out why things were the way they were. They didn't have access to the resources we have now, so they made up stories to explain things. I REALLY fell out of love with religion when I saw what it did to people who didn't believe those stories over the years. "Oh, you think the earth revolves around the sun? Heretic! Liar! Blasphemer! Lock him up!"
Atheists and agnostics never committed genocide and never locked up scientists, to the best of my knowledge.
And I listen for the voice inside my head... nothing. I'll do this one myself.
So... if god and the devil actually do exist... and the stuff from the bible is true... where are they now? God apparently used to talk to people all the time. He used to smite people on a regular basis, didn't he? Where's the big booming voice from the heavens?
I used to go to church on a regular basis as a kid, and then stopped. Cold turkey. There were far too many flaws and WTF moments for my liking. Science provides concrete answers and examples that don't change and can be seen every day. I'll take those explanations over "A magical guy in the sky did it" any day of the week. Religions all stemmed from the same place - primitive societies trying to figure out why things were the way they were. They didn't have access to the resources we have now, so they made up stories to explain things. I REALLY fell out of love with religion when I saw what it did to people who didn't believe those stories over the years. "Oh, you think the earth revolves around the sun? Heretic! Liar! Blasphemer! Lock him up!"
Atheists and agnostics never committed genocide and never locked up scientists, to the best of my knowledge.
Also, Job's suffering was a test. God tested his faith and in the end, Job benefitted more than he could've imagined.
:? Say whaaat!?! we we have a very different view of what "benefited" means...
"God: Hey Job I took away everything dear to you and you're sick because i had to show the devil that I'm more powerful more cool than him..."
The book of job is the best example of the best literature of the understanding of the broze age... what a pitiful, low self esteem and arbitrary god is shown on that book, to believe in something like one have to make a lot of mental gymnastics and shut off any capacity of critical analysis.
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"The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it"
Neil deGrasse Tyson
So... if god and the devil actually do exist... and the stuff from the bible is true... where are they now? God apparently used to talk to people all the time. He used to smite people on a regular basis, didn't he? Where's the big booming voice from the heavens?
I used to go to church on a regular basis as a kid, and then stopped. Cold turkey. There were far too many flaws and WTF moments for my liking. Science provides concrete answers and examples that don't change and can be seen every day. I'll take those explanations over "A magical guy in the sky did it" any day of the week. Religions all stemmed from the same place - primitive societies trying to figure out why things were the way they were. They didn't have access to the resources we have now, so they made up stories to explain things. I REALLY fell out of love with religion when I saw what it did to people who didn't believe those stories over the years. "Oh, you think the earth revolves around the sun? Heretic! Liar! Blasphemer! Lock him up!"
Atheists and agnostics never committed genocide and never locked up scientists, to the best of my knowledge.
"God works in mysterious ways", who need to use his brain when god is the best intellectual scape goat there's... you do all the work and the suffering and he takes the all the praise.
"The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it"
Neil deGrasse Tyson
The Freemasons Know All This.
*Operative* freemasonry supposedly remains a completely secret craft to this day.
...or maybe it's "unknown" and "secret" coz there is no craft and nothing to know. Apart from perhaps a bit too wealthy people with a bit too much time on their hands who pretend to know something. Knowledge is power, but pretending to have knowledge might also yield some power in certain circles. Or even claiming knowledge on part of others in order to damn them.
(sorry, can't resist )
Peace
Dan
"YOU [humans] NEED TO BELIEVE IN THINGS THAT AREN'T TRUE. HOW ELSE CAN THEY BECOME?" - Death
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
So... if god and the devil actually do exist... and the stuff from the bible is true... where are they now? God apparently used to talk to people all the time. He used to smite people on a regular basis, didn't he? Where's the big booming voice from the heavens?
I used to go to church on a regular basis as a kid, and then stopped. Cold turkey. There were far too many flaws and WTF moments for my liking. Science provides concrete answers and examples that don't change and can be seen every day. I'll take those explanations over "A magical guy in the sky did it" any day of the week. Religions all stemmed from the same place - primitive societies trying to figure out why things were the way they were. They didn't have access to the resources we have now, so they made up stories to explain things. I REALLY fell out of love with religion when I saw what it did to people who didn't believe those stories over the years. "Oh, you think the earth revolves around the sun? Heretic! Liar! Blasphemer! Lock him up!"
Atheists and agnostics never committed genocide and never locked up scientists, to the best of my knowledge.
"God works in mysterious ways", who need to use his brain when god is the best intellectual scape goat there's... you do all the work and the suffering and he takes the all the praise.
Yeah, that line always seemed to be a cop out to me, a way of not dealing with a problem. Things are much easier to deal with when you can just transfer the blame to someone infallible. But it also takes away the need to find the root cause of a problem and search for a solution - I mean, why would you spend time looking for answers and preventative measures when it's all just god's will at the end of the day anyway?
And I listen for the voice inside my head... nothing. I'll do this one myself.
Yeah, that line always seemed to be a cop out to me, a way of not dealing with a problem. Things are much easier to deal with when you can just transfer the blame to someone infallible. But it also takes away the need to find the root cause of a problem and search for a solution - I mean, why would you spend time looking for answers and preventative measures when it's all just god's will at the end of the day anyway?
Life is though enough to start with, even if you can put your mind at ease blaming all the good and stuff to some deity, still is hard to live trying to understand and be in the good side of the will of a imaginary sky friend... Damn that's hard!
"The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it"
Neil deGrasse Tyson
"Hey Jesus"
"Hello"
"Yeah man i have this table that wobbles, i don't know maybe you can even out the legs a bit?"
"I am the son of God"
"ok but i think this one leg is just shorter than the others"
"if you do not accept me as your savior and the one who dies for your sins, you will spend eternity in hell, a place of eternal suffering and pain"
"well....i just have this table...."
" i rose from the dead"
"you know i think i'll just take this down to abraham".
"Hey Jesus"
"Hello"
"Yeah man i have this table that wobbles, i don't know maybe you can even out the legs a bit?"
"I am the son of God"
"ok but i think this one leg is just shorter than the others"
"if you do not accept me as your savior and the one who dies for your sins, you will spend eternity in hell, a place of eternal suffering and pain"
"well....i just have this table...."
" i rose from the dead"
"you know i think i'll just take this down to abraham".
Gimli 1993
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
Some further fact checking is in order, but it's late and I really am not all that concerned about this particular topic right now. Here's a start:
Dionysus
He was not born to a virgin, his mother was a mortal Semele (daughter of Cadmus) and his father was Zeus. We know that Zeus had other male children so Dionysus is also not his "only begotten son" [22]. Similar to the story of Attis, Dionysus died each winter and was resurrected in the spring. Again, this is hardly December, much less the 25th of said month [23]. He did, however perform miracles, mostly things involving wine, because he was the god of wine -- naturally he could turn water into wine. The titles listed above, such as "King of Kings" and "The Alpha and Omega" are not sourced in the movie, nor can I find any evidence that these titles ever applied to Dionysus, but for good measure, I did find "The Alpha and Omega" referring to god of Christianity [24].
This comes from a site which debunks the movie Zeitgeist step by step. I encourage the original poster to read through some of the claims, since part one of the Zeitgesit movie largely presents the argument which is being forwarded by the original poster. And then that argument gets pretty torn apart. I'm sympathetic to some parts of Zeitgeist, but other parts are just absolutely false. The overall website for the debunking is here:
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"but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come."
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
from now on please address me as cate the unforgiven.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Well if Jesus is the father and the holy ghost at the same time, then he killed a lot of people, and about suffering, well there's a little book in the bible called Job... that's one of the more clear examples of god being cruel just for the sake of it.
And what about the devil? well the devil is as fictional as god so there's nothing to say about him except that he doesn't show up too much in the bible.
Neil deGrasse Tyson
Why not (V) (°,,,,°) (V) ?
Thanks, I will.
By the way, Donald Duck's Grandfather was called Humperdink.
Electric Delta, what do you think about Dinosaurs?
He is certainly giving us an offer we can't refuse, if the old testament is to be believed...
Peace
Dan
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
In 2000 more years, maybe we'll all be practicing wizardry, worshipping our lord & savior "Harry Potter," & referencing the "holy books" of JK Rowling. This is from a "confirmed" Catholic (regretted mistake) who's never read any of these books & only saw a couple of the movies... once. But isn't fiction fun?
Neil deGrasse Tyson
Why not (V) (°,,,,°) (V) ?
OR eat brains that day!
Neil deGrasse Tyson
Why not (V) (°,,,,°) (V) ?
i dont mean to quibble but dont zombies have bodies?? im not sure what happened to jesus' body once he ascended to heaven.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
I was always under the impression that most historians, religious and otherwise, agreed that Jesus was actually a living human. oh well, back to AET I guess.
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
just got into that show, so rad.
Manly P. Hall - The Solar Christmas Pt. 1
and, another similar speech:
Manly P. Hall - Great Solar Symbol of the Messiah Part 1
Remember.
The Freemasons claim them selves as the direct heirs of the Ancient Mysteries.
Actually, I believe in "speculative freemasonry" they only consider themselves to be guardians of the "LESSER mysteries", but the craft of "operative freemasonry" is the modern version of the "GREATER mysteries".
*Operative* freemasonry supposedly remains a completely secret craft to this day.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
When was the last time you read the Bible? Satan appears many times in it.
Also, Job's suffering was a test. God tested his faith and in the end, Job benefitted more than he could've imagined.
I think about them about as much as I ponder over any of your posts.
Done... I dub thee Unforgiven
(wait, which band's message board am I on?)
I used to go to church on a regular basis as a kid, and then stopped. Cold turkey. There were far too many flaws and WTF moments for my liking. Science provides concrete answers and examples that don't change and can be seen every day. I'll take those explanations over "A magical guy in the sky did it" any day of the week. Religions all stemmed from the same place - primitive societies trying to figure out why things were the way they were. They didn't have access to the resources we have now, so they made up stories to explain things. I REALLY fell out of love with religion when I saw what it did to people who didn't believe those stories over the years. "Oh, you think the earth revolves around the sun? Heretic! Liar! Blasphemer! Lock him up!"
Atheists and agnostics never committed genocide and never locked up scientists, to the best of my knowledge.
:? Say whaaat!?! we we have a very different view of what "benefited" means...
"God: Hey Job I took away everything dear to you and you're sick because i had to show the devil that I'm more powerful more cool than him..."
The book of job is the best example of the best literature of the understanding of the broze age... what a pitiful, low self esteem and arbitrary god is shown on that book, to believe in something like one have to make a lot of mental gymnastics and shut off any capacity of critical analysis.
Neil deGrasse Tyson
Why not (V) (°,,,,°) (V) ?
"God works in mysterious ways", who need to use his brain when god is the best intellectual scape goat there's... you do all the work and the suffering and he takes the all the praise.
Neil deGrasse Tyson
Why not (V) (°,,,,°) (V) ?
(sorry, can't resist
Peace
Dan
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
Yeah, that line always seemed to be a cop out to me, a way of not dealing with a problem. Things are much easier to deal with when you can just transfer the blame to someone infallible. But it also takes away the need to find the root cause of a problem and search for a solution - I mean, why would you spend time looking for answers and preventative measures when it's all just god's will at the end of the day anyway?
Life is though enough to start with, even if you can put your mind at ease blaming all the good and stuff to some deity, still is hard to live trying to understand and be in the good side of the will of a imaginary sky friend... Damn that's hard!
Neil deGrasse Tyson
Why not (V) (°,,,,°) (V) ?
"Hey Jesus"
"Hello"
"Yeah man i have this table that wobbles, i don't know maybe you can even out the legs a bit?"
"I am the son of God"
"ok but i think this one leg is just shorter than the others"
"if you do not accept me as your savior and the one who dies for your sins, you will spend eternity in hell, a place of eternal suffering and pain"
"well....i just have this table...."
" i rose from the dead"
"you know i think i'll just take this down to abraham".
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
Dionysus
He was not born to a virgin, his mother was a mortal Semele (daughter of Cadmus) and his father was Zeus. We know that Zeus had other male children so Dionysus is also not his "only begotten son" [22]. Similar to the story of Attis, Dionysus died each winter and was resurrected in the spring. Again, this is hardly December, much less the 25th of said month [23]. He did, however perform miracles, mostly things involving wine, because he was the god of wine -- naturally he could turn water into wine. The titles listed above, such as "King of Kings" and "The Alpha and Omega" are not sourced in the movie, nor can I find any evidence that these titles ever applied to Dionysus, but for good measure, I did find "The Alpha and Omega" referring to god of Christianity [24].
-http://conspiracyscience.com/articles/zeitgeist/part-one/#dionysus
This comes from a site which debunks the movie Zeitgeist step by step. I encourage the original poster to read through some of the claims, since part one of the Zeitgesit movie largely presents the argument which is being forwarded by the original poster. And then that argument gets pretty torn apart. I'm sympathetic to some parts of Zeitgeist, but other parts are just absolutely false. The overall website for the debunking is here:
http://conspiracyscience.com/