australia.. the dumb blonde

stardust1976

redrock wrote:

Aboriginal culture is only part of the Australian heritage and, dare I say, one that quite well known via their art. Australia as a whole has a lot to offer but who really knows about their achievements in all kinds of different fields whether it be arts, film industry, science, architecture, etc. Can many people name an Australian 'invention'? An Australian author? I guess not. And not because there aren't any - on the contrary. But because Australia doesn't 'promote' itself in such a way that these achievements are well known.

Actually, I think you'll find we are quite intelligent as a nation - the black box voice recorder used in every aircraft was an Australian invention. The engineer who helped design the drilling rig that is currently rescuing the miners in Chile, is a West Australian, the Victa lawn mower, the Hills Hoist clothes line, the ute, along with many many many medical and scientific achievements, noble prize winners, doctors who are called overseas in times of emergency (one in particular comes to mind - another West Australian, burns specialist, mother of 6 children, very much in demand during the aftermath of the Bali bombings), what about Fred Hollows who did so much work with eye problems in poorer nations, there are SO many, that it would take days to find and list. A quick google search will list dozens straight up.

ONCE DEVIDED

redrock wrote:

catefrances wrote:

redrock wrote:

Aboriginal culture is only part of the Australian heritage and, dare I say, one that quite well known via their art. Australia as a whole has a lot to offer but who really knows about their achievements in all kinds of different fields whether it be arts, film industry, science, architecture, etc. Can many people name an Australian 'invention'? An Australian author? I guess not. And not because there aren't any - on the contrary. But because Australia doesn't 'promote' itself in such a way that these achievements are well known.

*she raises her hand in complete confidence.*


i can.

OK... let me rephrase... 'Can many people not living in Australia, or Australians living there or anywhere else in the world name....

and thats what this study was drawn from. Not reality. But Perceptions.
Us aussies dont really care what the world thinks
theirs waves and beer to be had

redrock

ONCE DEVIDED wrote:

we just dont jump up and down going LOOK AT MOI LOOK AT MOI

And it is so irritating when countries do that. But what I'm trying to say, if Australia promoted it's 'non-holiday', 'non-stereotyped' culture (of which it's achievements, significant people, etc. are part of), there may be a different perception of the country. I'm not saying this in a nasty way - just reflecting on the image of Australia that we see.

catefrances

redrock wrote:

catefrances wrote:

redrock wrote:

Aboriginal culture is only part of the Australian heritage and, dare I say, one that quite well known via their art. Australia as a whole has a lot to offer but who really knows about their achievements in all kinds of different fields whether it be arts, film industry, science, architecture, etc. Can many people name an Australian 'invention'? An Australian author? I guess not. And not because there aren't any - on the contrary. But because Australia doesn't 'promote' itself in such a way that these achievements are well known.

*she raises her hand in complete confidence.*


i can.

OK... let me rephrase... 'Can many people not living in Australia, or Australians living there or anywhere else in the world name....

sorry.. couldnt help myself. byrnzie got me riled.

ONCE DEVIDED

Brian Merkle wrote:

Why is this douchebag from Austraila bashing on the USA? The article came from the UK you DOPE! This again proves the ignorance of your country way to go dummy! Go drink a Fosters you Koala banging Dick! :twisted:

nobody in oz drinks fosters ya mug ( lol) we sell it to the yanks
they get pissed on 2 cans cause their beer is lolly water.
we drink COOPERS, VB or XXXX

ONCE DEVIDED

redrock wrote:

ONCE DEVIDED wrote:

we just dont jump up and down going LOOK AT MOI LOOK AT MOI

And it is so irritating when countries do that. But what I'm trying to say, if Australia promoted it's 'non-holiday', 'non-stereotyped' culture (of which it's achievements, significant people, etc. are part of), there may be a different perception of the country. I'm not saying this in a nasty way - just reflecting on the image of Australia that we see.

Know its not nasty mate

I kinda like the image. the sun and the sea is a big part of us ( WE LIVE ON A BIG ISLAND REMEMBER). we are smart, we are dumb . we are ignorant, we are inquisitive . just like everyone else

i LOVE A SUNBURNT COUNTRY
A LAND OF SWEEPING PLAINS
OF RUGGED MOUNTAIN RANGES
OF DROUGHTS AND DRIVING RAINS
i LOVE HER BLUE HORISONS
i LOVE HER JEWELED SEA
HER BEATY AND HER TERROR
THE WIDE BROWN LAND FOR ME

redrock

ONCE DEVIDED wrote:

Brian Merkle wrote:

Why is this douchebag from Austraila bashing on the USA? The article came from the UK you DOPE! This again proves the ignorance of your country way to go dummy! Go drink a Fosters you Koala banging Dick! :twisted:

nobody in oz drinks fosters ya mug ( lol) we sell it to the yanks
they get pissed on 2 cans cause their beer is lolly water.
we drink COOPERS, VB or XXXX

Look.. no need to call people mug and ignorant. if you read my post correctly, you would see that I took as an example an advert we see on TV depicting Australian men in a very stereotyped way. Who cares if you drink Fosters or not. It's an Australian beer being sold in a 'foreign' country by portraying australians in a not very flattering way.

Byrnzie

ONCE DEVIDED wrote:

Yep I would think that americans would think such things

I'm not American.

ONCE DEVIDED wrote:

NOW GERMAINE GREER
hasnt had anything to do with australia for somthing like 40 years.

Not true.

ONCE DEVIDED wrote:

sure our history isnt pretty, we have done some bad things to our indignous people, a lot of people are racist. but no more than any other society.

The problem with aboriginal health is in a large part down to alchaholism, the aboriginal people survived here for 50 thoasand years before we showed up, they were only introduced to our ills 200 years ago. it seems that they have a lessr tolerence to alcholism then standard society.

we aussies are no better or worse than the rest of the world
and that stupid fat arsed dumb POM greer can go fuck herself

Same thing I always hear from Australians whenever the Aboriginals are mentioned: The Aboriginals are alcoholics. Like I said, you brush them under the carpet.

Byrnzie

ONCE DEVIDED wrote:

If Australia were to declare its Aboriginality

what the fuck does that mean.

Im not aboriginal, Im an Australian
an aboriginal is also an australian
the indian dude who got his citizenship last australia day is an australian

wahant pontificating bullshit from a ignorant pom

So you dismissed the above article first calling Germaine Greer a dumb bitch e.t.c, and then read the article - or at least the first paragraph - afterwards.

ONCE DEVIDED

redrock wrote:

ONCE DEVIDED wrote:

Brian Merkle wrote:

Why is this douchebag from Austraila bashing on the USA? The article came from the UK you DOPE! This again proves the ignorance of your country way to go dummy! Go drink a Fosters you Koala banging Dick! :twisted:

nobody in oz drinks fosters ya mug ( lol) we sell it to the yanks
they get pissed on 2 cans cause their beer is lolly water.
we drink COOPERS, VB or XXXX

Look.. no need to call people mug and ignorant. if you read my post correctly, you would see that I took as an example an advert we see on TV depicting Australian men in a very stereotyped way. Who cares if you drink Fosters or not. It's an Australian beer being sold in a 'foreign' country by portraying australians in a not very flattering way.

SORRY mate
was trying to sound as ignorantly ausiie as I could
Ya mug isnt an insult to you at al or others ( very aussie term). and paying out on the american beer . take it easy big guy. no insults intended.

stardust1976

redrock wrote:

Look.. no need to call people mug and ignorant. if you read my post correctly, you would see that I took as an example an advert we see on TV depicting Australian men in a very stereotyped way. Who cares if you drink Fosters or not. It's an Australian beer being sold in a 'foreign' country by portraying australians in a not very flattering way.

Having never seen a Fosters ad in my entire life, and having also never drunk it (but I DID convince an American to buy some and drink it while I giggled at him when he realised it was gross!), what does a Fosters ad portray Aussie guys like? I only ask because I have a sneaking suspicion it's not just a stereotype. I know there are lots of cool nice guys here in Australia - but there are an awful lot who's main aim in life IS to drink, get drunk, fish, drink more beer, watch/play some sport, drink some more, hang with the boys, and be 'manly'. Just saying that yes, maybe we are being portrayed in a kind of stereotypical way, but most of us are fine with that, and there might be a bit of validity behind the stereotype. BUT, we are happy with who we are as a nation. I love Australia. It's a beautiful, varied landscape, with great weather, and for the most part a great lifestyle. It's my home, and it's amazing.

Byrnzie

catefrances wrote:

Byrnzie wrote:

Weird. I've never seen a blonde Aboriginal.

But then for most people - Australians especially - the Aboriginals don't exist.

steve, do you really wnat to go there???

and by the way there are blonde indigenous peoples here.. youve just not looked too hard.. which really doesnt surprise me. youd prefer to jump on the wagon based on an incomplete view of a country cause its easier to lump a whole people together than actually dissect that society and admit that perhaps, in this instance, australians are not all the same. were definitely not all ignorant racist uncultural convicts just like all english arent whinging pasty white poms.

I didn't say Australians were all the same.

redrock

ONCE DEVIDED wrote:

SORRY mate
was trying to sound as ignorantly ausiie as I could
Ya mug isnt an insult to you at al or others ( very aussie term). and paying out on the american beer . take it easy big guy. no insults intended.

Actually, medium lady The only real beer is Belgian beer anyway.

ONCE DEVIDED

Byrnzie wrote:

ONCE DEVIDED wrote:

If Australia were to declare its Aboriginality

what the fuck does that mean.

Im not aboriginal, Im an Australian
an aboriginal is also an australian
the indian dude who got his citizenship last australia day is an australian

wahant pontificating bullshit from a ignorant pom

So you dismissed the above article first calling Germaine Greer a dumb bitch e.t.c, and then read the article - or at least the first paragraph - afterwards.

read that shite mate No.
wouldnt waste my time, she isnt australian. she has lived elswhere sinsce she was 19 she is now into her 60's
she is ignorant of australian issues so I will ignore it.

would you listen if somebody said about the usa accepting its Indianinality. how stupid.
I will lsiten to an australian who lives here or at least studies here. Not in some uni in the UK

ONCE DEVIDED

redrock wrote:

ONCE DEVIDED wrote:

SORRY mate
was trying to sound as ignorantly ausiie as I could
Ya mug isnt an insult to you at al or others ( very aussie term). and paying out on the american beer . take it easy big guy. no insults intended.

Actually, medium lady :mrgreen The only real beer is Belgian beer anyway.

hmm I have italian beer in the fridge, just brought it back from a camping trip to the Warumbungals
how very unaussie of me

redrock

stardust1976 wrote:

....I only ask because I have a sneaking suspicion it's not just a stereotype. I know there are lots of cool nice guys here in Australia - but there are an awful lot who's main aim in life IS to drink, get drunk, fish, drink more beer, watch/play some sport, drink some more, hang with the boys, and be 'manly'. Just saying that yes, maybe we are being portrayed in a kind of stereotypical way, but most of us are fine with that, and there might be a bit of validity behind the stereotype. BUT, we are happy with who we are as a nation. I love Australia. It's a beautiful, varied landscape, with great weather, and for the most part a great lifestyle. It's my home, and it's amazing.

Yep... that kind of stereotype! Crocodile Dundee type....

catefrances

Byrnzie wrote:

catefrances wrote:

Byrnzie wrote:

Weird. I've never seen a blonde Aboriginal.

But then for most people - Australians especially - the Aboriginals don't exist.

steve, do you really wnat to go there???

and by the way there are blonde indigenous peoples here.. youve just not looked too hard.. which really doesnt surprise me. youd prefer to jump on the wagon based on an incomplete view of a country cause its easier to lump a whole people together than actually dissect that society and admit that perhaps, in this instance, australians are not all the same. were definitely not all ignorant racist uncultural convicts just like all english arent whinging pasty white poms.

I didn't say Australians were all the same.

thats right you didnt say australians are all the same but australians especially is pretty specific. and id be interested to know how many australians you know to have formed this opinion.

ONCE DEVIDED

stardust1976 wrote:

redrock wrote:

Look.. no need to call people mug and ignorant. if you read my post correctly, you would see that I took as an example an advert we see on TV depicting Australian men in a very stereotyped way. Who cares if you drink Fosters or not. It's an Australian beer being sold in a 'foreign' country by portraying australians in a not very flattering way.

Having never seen a Fosters ad in my entire life, and having also never drunk it (but I DID convince an American to buy some and drink it while I giggled at him when he realised it was gross!), what does a Fosters ad portray Aussie guys like? I only ask because I have a sneaking suspicion it's not just a stereotype. I know there are lots of cool nice guys here in Australia - but there are an awful lot who's main aim in life IS to drink, get drunk, fish, drink more beer, watch/play some sport, drink some more, hang with the boys, and be 'manly'. Just saying that yes, maybe we are being portrayed in a kind of stereotypical way, but most of us are fine with that, and there might be a bit of validity behind the stereotype. BUT, we are happy with who we are as a nation. I love Australia. It's a beautiful, varied landscape, with great weather, and for the most part a great lifestyle. It's my home, and it's amazing.

Hey I do like to fish, I do like to surf. occasionaly I like to have a few beers and watch a band at my local. I like a few coldies in the esky when I go camping. but hey thats hardly any different than anywhere else.
Id say the young fellas are more prone to what you say. but thats cause they havnt found their BONZER SHELIA yet and been brough into a world of cultya and sofistikation LOL

Byrnzie

stardust1976 wrote:

there are big problems with alcoholism and other things such as petrol sniffing within Aboriginal communities here. Crime, poverty, violence, and low education standards along with poor health usually ensues.

stardust1976 wrote:

Germaine Greer is a moron, who doesn't live here, and gets off on pretending she is making a difference, when in actuality all she is doing is creating publicity for herself. Just my opinion, but I am allowed that opinion.

She's not a moron, she's a preofessor at Cambridge University, and author of dozens of acclaimed books. She also spent the first 30 years of her life in Australia.
Still, it's always easier to engage in character assassination than to engage with ideas and arguments.

stardust1976 wrote:

I have yet to meet someone who says they don't like Australians, or who says that they wouldn't like to visit here, or who says they hated it when they did visit. I think our attitude, our environment, and our collective intelligence makes us who we are, in terms of our country, and I think that an awful lot of Aussies play up to that stereotypical image of us. I know I do.

I have no problem with Australians. But nearly every Australian I've ever met has expressed racist, derogatory views about the Aboriginals. Of course not all Australians are racist, but it would be dishonest to deny there's a problem over there.

stardust1976

redrock wrote:

stardust1976 wrote:

....I only ask because I have a sneaking suspicion it's not just a stereotype. I know there are lots of cool nice guys here in Australia - but there are an awful lot who's main aim in life IS to drink, get drunk, fish, drink more beer, watch/play some sport, drink some more, hang with the boys, and be 'manly'. Just saying that yes, maybe we are being portrayed in a kind of stereotypical way, but most of us are fine with that, and there might be a bit of validity behind the stereotype. BUT, we are happy with who we are as a nation. I love Australia. It's a beautiful, varied landscape, with great weather, and for the most part a great lifestyle. It's my home, and it's amazing.

Yep... that kind of stereotype! Crocodile Dundee type....

Well, aside from the hats, and the ability to stop cattle (and dobermans!), dead in their tracks with a little hand signal, it's not THAT far off for a lot of guys here. And like I said, MOST people are happy to have our little country portrayed like that. We like to play on the impression that we have kangaroos and koalas as pets (even though koalas are really quite nasty!), and that all we do is drink and surf, etc etc... Funny though, that a couple of years back one of our tourist campaigns that showed our stunningly beautiful lifestyle and landscape was not allowed to be shown on American TV because of the word 'bloody'. Which is pretty much part of our vernacular, and not considered a profanity by any stretch of the imagination. Now that tourism campaign played to a stereotype, and we ourselves loved it. Pity it was probably only seen here IN Australia.