australia.. the dumb blonde

catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
edited October 2010 in A Moving Train
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/810 ... rld-survey


Australia the dumb blonde of the world

Australia is seen as the "dumb blonde" of the world, according to a leading brand expert from the UK.

Australia was seen as beautiful though not particularly cultured or educated, according to a survey of 39,000 in 26 countries, The Age reported.

Branding expert Simon Anholt said Australia relied on logos and slogans to promote itself rather than improving its image by investing more in education and culture.

"'What you have is an image of a country that is considered to be very decorative, but not very useful," Mr Anholt said.

''Rather than waste time fiddling around with promotional campaigns, what Australia needs to do is to invest in the sectors which demonstrate its seriousness and its capability and education is one of them."

Australia was ranked the ninth-most admired country in the world according to the survey, though Mr Anholt said more needed to be done to promote culture.



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  • I think that just shows how dumb the world is.
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  • someone needs to tell the 'leading brand expert from the UK', that racial slurs are not to be tolerated.

    clearly they didn't get the memo.
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    someone needs to tell the 'leading brand expert from the UK', that racial slurs are not to be tolerated.

    clearly they didn't get the memo.


    last time i checked we were the same race as the british..


    and oh my how i hate when the race card is pulled.
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  • someone needs to tell the 'leading brand expert from the UK', that racial slurs are not to be tolerated.

    clearly they didn't get the memo.


    last time i checked we were the same race as the british.. unless of course the expert from the UK isnt caucasian.

    and oh my how i hate when the race card is pulled.

    i thought the article was hilarious. i didn't find it offensive at all. others would disagree. hence my 'clearly they didn't get the memo" comment.

    If someone feeds into a negative stereotype of any race or faction, it can be considered a racial slur. Blonde, Polish, Jewish, Muslim, French, Italian, Hispanic, Catholic, etc.

    Do not do it.

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  • stardust1976stardust1976 Posts: 1,301
    Awwww!! We are sooooooo not the blondes of the world! :?
  • ONCE DEVIDEDONCE DEVIDED Posts: 1,131
    If we are the dumb blonde of the world
    what are the Americans
    the dumb ugly ignorant chick
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  • AusticmanAusticman Posts: 1,327
    OMG!! That is like soooooooooooooo not true!!! :P
    I can't go the library anymore, everyone STINKS!!
  • redrockredrock Posts: 18,341
    Whilst that is quite funny, I understand what this person is trying to say but I wouldn't have said 'dumb blonde'!!!

    Australia is so varied and beautiful. But what do people know of Australia? Incredible landscape, beautiful beaches, weird and wonderful fauna and flora, and........ chauvinist, beer guzzling bush guys with corks hanging from their hats and sexy, bosomy ladies frolicking on the beach! The Crocodile Dundee and Fosters beer ads effect!

    There is a lot more to Australia but, unfortunately, it's not put forward.
  • stardust1976stardust1976 Posts: 1,301
    I always thought of us as sort of the naughty child that everyone indulges just cause they're cute kind of thing. But hey, it doesn't really surprise me that people think this - we are pretty fun!! :D
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Weird. I've never seen a blonde Aboriginal.

    But then for most people - Australians especially - the Aboriginals don't exist.
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    edited October 2010
    redrock wrote:
    There is a lot more to Australia but, unfortunately, it's not put forward.

    Many people see Australia as a plastic society with no culture other than beer swilling yahoo's and surfers - if you can call that culture.

    Not sure why that is.

    Maybe it has something to do with the fact that the history of the country and it's native inhabitants have been brushed under the carpet?

    New Zealand has embraced the Maori culture, so why can't Australia embrace it's Aboriginal culture?

    I read an interesting book on the subject a few years ago. Here's an extract from it:




    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/ju ... okextracts

    This is an edited extract from Whitefella Jump Up: The Shortest Way To Nationhood by Germaine Greer

    We can dream too

    The day white Australians can look in the mirror and say 'I am Aboriginal' is the day their tormented country will start to heal, argues Germaine Greer

    Germaine Greer
    The Guardian, Saturday 19 June 2004



    There is only one way to escape from an impasse, and that is to turn back to the point where you went wrong, sit down on the ground and have a think about it. I've seen too much of the frantic grief that is eating the heart out of Aboriginal communities not to have racked my brain for years trying to imagine a way of healing it, but I'm not here offering yet another solution to the Aborigine problem. Rather I want to suggest an end to the problematisation of Aborigines. Blackfellas are not and never were the problem. They were the solution, if only whitefellas had been able to see it.

    The country I love has been crazily devastated by whitefellas who knock down its mountains, grind up its trees, divert its watercourses, build high-rises on its flood plains, creating an endless nightmare of suburbia from which our kids try to escape by sticking needles in their arms. It is obvious to anyone that Australia's "sophisticated recreational lifestyle" comes at a huge cost in terms of non-renewable resources. The senescent bush along the densely populated foreshores will one day explode in firestorms that will wipe out the insurance market and bring the whole shonky economy to its knees.

    A good deal of energy has been expended on diagnosing the malaise that leads to high levels of alcoholism, addiction and crimes of violence in Aboriginal society. Whitefella spiritual desolation is seldom admitted, let alone discussed. Problem drinking affected whitefellas long before it made devastating inroads into Aboriginal society, and continues to wreak havoc today. It is one of a galaxy of self-destructive behaviours making a continuum with suicide, drug abuse, reckless driving and self-harming, all of which are rife in the "lucky" country.

    What is there for whitefellas to cry about? In Australian literature, the Europeans' corrosive unease expresses itself in a curious distortion of the pathetic fallacy, which characterises the land as harsh, cruel, savage, relentless, the sky as implacable, pitiless and so forth. The heart of the country is called "dead". Vicissitudes of heat and cold are interpreted as a kind of punishment, and the physical world itself given the role of an avenging deity. The vegetation is described as "stunted", "warped", "misshapen", another example of projection of a presentiment of evil within to the countryside without.

    It was not the country that was damned but the settler who felt in his heart that he was damned. His impotent cursing, which has left a legacy in the unequalled degree of profanity in Australian speech, was a classic piece of transference. We hate this country because we cannot allow ourselves to love it. We know in our hearts' core that it is not ours.

    The settlers did not mean to destroy the Aborigines, but they could not deny that the Aborigines were being destroyed. They could agree not to mention the fact but they couldn't forget it. Their descendants prefer to bicker over just how badly whitefellas treated blackfellas, and just how much or how little the blackfellas deserved it, rather than utter the simple word "sorry".

    Saying sorry would not have fixed anything, but it might have reaped the whirlwind, as Australians came to wonder just what it was that they were saying sorry for.

    The settlers toiled like madmen to remove the scrub, bush and trees that stood in the way of cultivation. They no more realised that the newly denuded land would be vulnerable to extremes of heat and cold, drought and flood, than they realised that the rising of the water table would bring the stored salts to the surface, gradually poisoning the land. Nor did they realise that the willows they planted along the waterways would spread through entire river systems, until the flows were clogged, or that their garden flowers would become a curse. The settlers imagined that they were redeeming a land the original inhabitants had failed to manage in any rational fashion, and that they could turn it into a new Canaan.

    Ultimately, rural Australia ended up emptier than it was before it was "opened up". Australia has now become the most highly urbanised population of any country in the world. The whitefellas who tried to make a living in the bush soon fled from it, and wound up as far from the interior as they could get, on the continent's very edge, where they built themselves houses that faced outwards and away, across the ocean. Happiness is now a house in a seaside suburb with not a single native plant in sight. Most Australians would these days deny that they hate the land, but actions speak louder than words.

    There is only one way to purge the taint, uncover the secret and ease the otherwise eternal regret, and that is not to give the country back to the Aborigines, because it isn't ours to give, but to admit that it has been an Aboriginal country all along.

    The way out of the predicament in which we find ourselves, I suggest - guilty inheritors of a land usurped by our deluded, desperate forefathers - is the simple admission that ours is an Aboriginal country. All of it. Every single bit. Try saying it to yourself in the mirror. "I live in an Aboriginal country." Even the obvious cannot be recognised as true until somebody says it.

    As newcomers to an Aboriginal country, our forefathers should have done their best to assimilate. Instead they took over. From first contact, the traffic ran the wrong way, towards the impasse in which we now find ourselves. The ignorant presumed to teach the learned, even though they couldn't speak any of the many languages that the learned spoke. The ignorant set about "discovering" a country of which the learned all carried immensely detailed maps in their heads. The ignorant didn't ask the learned which way to go, or how to survive. As a consequence, all of the pioneers suffered and an unknown number of them perished. Unabashed, our forefathers continued their ignorant rampaging. Though they relied heavily on Aborigines in their establishment of the pastoral industry, they never dreamt of consulting them as equals, let alone as their superiors in understanding the country, because they were utterly convinced that the most illiterate, drunken, down-at-heel European was intellectually and in every other way superior to the blackfella. So the settlers and the squatters were repeatedly wiped out by drought and flood.

    Can it be possible to make a u-turn after 200 years of careering off in the wrong direction? Can there be any point in admitting at this stage that Australia is an Aboriginal country, when only about 400,000 of the population can claim any Aboriginal descent? Would non-Aboriginal Australians who admit that they are living in an Aboriginal country be doomed to think of themselves as for ever aliens in their own birthplace?

    Aboriginality is not a matter of blood or genes; Aborigines themselves have to learn Aboriginality. They have to master knowledge of their own country, and of their relationships with neighbouring peoples, and the languages appropriate to trade, negotiation and celebration. Who may learn what is dictated primarily by willingness, evinced in readiness to undergo ordeal in order to be admitted to the deepest secrets, and has nothing to do with colour. It follows that whitefellas can achieve a measure of Aboriginality, and historically they have done. Full-blood white men have been initiated, instructed in the law, and have played their part in the clans.

    The second step in the journey is a second statement to the self in the mirror. "I was born in an Aboriginal country, therefore I must be considered Aboriginal." This is a tougher proposition, as long as Aboriginality is thought of as racial, but if we think of Aboriginality as a nationality, it suddenly becomes easier. It would not involve the assumption of a phoney ethnicity or the appropriation of the history of any particular Aboriginal people. The owners of specific dreamings would continue to be so still, and would continue to pass them on according to their law as it applies to those concerned.

    It will be hard for a whitefella to believe that, after all that has happened, Aboriginal people will allow him to assume Aboriginality. Any such assumption could well be seen by Aboriginal people as the last and most terrible co-option, a final annihilation. There is a risk, principally a risk of misunderstanding, which mischievous parties on all sides will magnify. Assumed Aboriginality would not allow whitefellas to muscle in on mining royalties or hard-won funding for Aboriginal development and education, but there will be those who will say that it would, just as there were those who said that admitting the justice of Aboriginal land claims would result in wholesale expropriation of owner-occupiers in the suburbs. Admitting Aboriginality would not entitle all Australians to have access to sacred sites - not all Aborigines have access to sacred sites.

    My bloodlines are fairly typical of my generation of gubbas. My father was born in Tasmania in 1904; his mother was the granddaughter of two free settlers from Lincolnshire and two convicts. His paternal grandparents were from Ulster. My mother's paternal grandfather was born in the Swiss Ticino and his wife was from Yorkshire; her grandparents on her mother's side were from Ireland and Schleswig-Holstein.

    I suppose I am one of those described by Richard Flanagan, winner of a Rhodes scholarship and a Commonwealth Writers Prize, in an article published in an English newspaper, as "the generation of cultural quislings who fled Australia's shores for England, where they thought they might meet their muse, and ever after berated an Australia they no longer recognised". I don't know who else belongs in this category but, much as I might want to fling the word "quisling" in Flanagan's teeth, I have to admit that if I hadn't been studying in England, if I hadn't been living in the genuinely multicultural society of postgraduate students in Cambridge, I might never have grasped the absurdity of Australians mounting street demonstrations against the South African Springbok tour in 1971. And might never have glimpsed the Australian situation from an international perspective.

    It was not until I was half a world away that I could suddenly see that what was operating in Australia was apartheid: the separation and alienation South Africa tried desperately and savagely to impose on their black majority, we had achieved, apparently effortlessly, with our black minority.

    From first contact, the leaders of many Aboriginal peoples saw that sharing of the land would be possible only if the whitefellas could be drawn into the Aboriginal system. They pursued a deliberate policy of co-option, hoping to civilise the invaders into abandoning their inappropriate concepts of ownership and exclusivity. The most frequently repeated version of the initial attempt at negotiation tells us that the Aborigines, upon first seeing white men, thought they were their own dead kin "jumped up", that is, resurrected as white men. What was in fact an attempt to classify the white men so that they could function within the dense Aboriginal social fabric is usually treated as a naive conviction literally understood. The whitefella didn't hesitate to exploit what he didn't understand, and helped himself to liberal amounts of loyalty and affection from his black "brother" without considering himself bound in any way by the relationship.

    For 200 years, the Aboriginal peoples have been seducing the whitefellas, subtly drawing them into their web of dreams, and though the whitefellas struggle and protest, they are being drawn inexorably closer. We yelp with surprise when a popular talkshow host is revealed to have 'istory, as blackfellas say, but we should have guessed. The black communities are bound to us by a multitude of blood ties which it is vain for us to deny, but we are blinded by denial and its companion, guilt.

    The majority of non-Aboriginal Australians no longer think of themselves as Europeans, British denizens of an outpost of empire. Even when they did, "British" Australians of Irish blood could hardly have forgotten their ancestors' revulsion at imposed Britishness. To accept Australia's Aboriginality is not to impose a single culture on all Australians. Aboriginality includes a multitude of cultures and languages, and provides a better template for 21st-century Australia than a phoney multiculturalism that serves only to increase the dominance of a proto-British elite, which insists on wriggling up to the US and replicating the least impressive aspects of British policy.

    The common perception from within the country is that white Australians and black Australians are very different, but I for one am struck by the degree of influence exerted by Aboriginal people on the formation of the Australian character and way of life. Australians, despite the official policy of multiculturalism, aren't genuinely cosmopolitan, but they aren't British, either. They exhibit neither British manners nor British values. If Australians should doubt this, they have only to travel to England, where they will feel less at home than they would in any other part of the world. Their gestures are too ample, their voices too loud, their approach too direct and their spontaneity embarrassing. Their lack of class-consciousness mystifies the English.

    Australians are amused by the number of times English people will say "please", "thank you" and "excuse me", unaware perhaps that in such a crowded country it is important to avoid friction. Aborigines are not given to "please" and "thank you", either, when "gibbit" will do.

    Australians cannot be confused with any other Commonwealth peoples; they behave differently from Canadians, South Africans and even New Zealanders. It is my contention, diffidently offered, that the Australian national character derives from the influence of the Aborigines whose dogged resistance to an imported and inappropriate culture has affected our culture more deeply than is usually recognised. From the beginning of colonisation, the authorities' deepest fear was that settlers would degenerate and go native. In many subtle and largely unexplored ways, they did just that. Indeed, they may already partake in more Aboriginality than they know.

    Australian egalitarianism is usually perceived to be the result of the harsh circumstances that drove settlers to make the long journey halfway around the world and the fact that the free settler had scant reason to consider himself a cut above the emancipated convict, especially when so little stood between him and a conviction for poddy-dodging, cattle rustling or simply not having the necessary paperwork. The influence of the Aborigines in deflating whitefellas' pretensions to gentility has nowhere been considered. Australians still place great store on an individual's ability to do what he is asking others to do, whether in terms of endurance or skill or courage, and that too may be a part of their Aboriginal inheritance. You will not find it in Britain, where rank and class still count for more than any personal talent or skill.

    Untold numbers of Australian parents have become aware that their children have turned "feral", that they have no ambition, covet no man's goods, and are happy to follow wherever the waves are, living by and for the moment, and occasionally attending secret gatherings deep in national forests where strange things are done and said and strange substances ingested.

    The evasiveness of white Australians is another sign of Aboriginal influence. Under the constant pressure from American cultural imperialism, Australians are becoming more loquacious; my father's generation would have regarded the endlessly babbling characters of Australian TV soaps with instinctive revulsion. In life, as distinct from TV, Australian shyness is real; it is based on a principle of waiting to see whether an individual is worthy, "a good bloke", "dinkum", rather than figuring out how much money he's got and to whom he might be related. Australians don't, as Americans do, confront total strangers with a barrage of questions, "Where'y'from?" etc.

    Similarly, the Aboriginal way is not to confront or interrogate anyone, whether a first acquaintance or an old friend. Blackfellas never put themselves in a position in which they are asking to be lied to; what you want to tell, you tell, and what you are silent about remains unspoken. The reticence intrinsic to Aboriginal relationships is also a governing principle in the Australian concept of mateship. Mates give each other space, allow each other to come and go, and to retain a measure of privacy, especially about their past and about their intimate relationships.

    Though self-revelation is unwelcome and uninvited by Australians of all hues, yarning is a social duty. Australians used to take trouble to spin a good yarn; the best are those in which some incident in real life is expertly spun into something almost mythical. A story by Henry Lawson, Stragglers, published in 1896, describes the tradition:

    There are tally-lies; and lies about getting tucker by trickery; and long-tramp-with-heavy-swag-and-no-water lies; and lies about getting the best of squatters and bosses-over-the-board; and droving, fighting, racing, gambling and drinking lies. Lies ad libitum; and every true Australian bushman must try his best to tell a bigger out-back lie than the last bush-liar.

    I once heard Tid Dignam, father of the actor Arthur Dignam, describe a game of ping-pong in such dramatic detail that it became a mini-Trojan war. It took me some years to register that Tid was part-Aboriginal and that the making of memorable stories was part of Aboriginal culture many aeons before whitefellas started doing it round the boree log.

    Observers of white Australian life are struck by the degree of segregation between the sexes, which cannot be explained by the prevailing mores of the countries they came from. Aboriginal society, too, is deeply segregated; men and women are used to spending long periods in the company of their own sex. The more important the occasion and the larger the gathering, the more likely it is that women will gather in one area and men in another, just as white Australian men gather round the beer keg, leaving the women to talk among themselves. One explanation of the Australian mania for sport of all kinds is that sport is the only remaining area of human activity that is still rigorously segregated.

    Australian English is studded with Aboriginal words; the unmistakable intonation and accent bear the imprint of Aboriginality. The Anglo-Celt settlers came with Scotch and Irish brogues, and the burrs of provincial England. The Australian accent bears scant resemblance to any of these. When I first heard blackfellas speak, I stupidly thought that they were imitating the way whitefellas speak, which just shows how upside-down gubbas' assumptions can be. The transfer must have happened the other way about; the broad flat vowels, complex diphthongs and murmuring nasalities of spoken Australian English must have come to us from Aboriginal languages.

    In the 2001 census, 410,003 Australians claimed Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander origin, a huge increase on the 1991 total of 265,371. The explanation is to be found not in a population explosion among Aboriginal communities but in a change in the perception of Aboriginal identity itself. Moreover, as in those 10 years more and more Australians had been investigating their family history, hitherto unacknowledged Aboriginal forebears had been rediscovered. Many people who came out as "black" in 2001 had never lived as Aborigines and had never had to endure the discrimination and abuse that Aborigines coped with daily, but no Aborigine inveighed against their claim to Aboriginality. There are now more Aboriginal people in Australia than at any time in the continent's history.

    The recognition that Australia was not an empty land when European settlement began has resulted in a good deal of pointless and acrimonious argument about notions of ownership. Aborigines do not consider themselves proprietors of territory, it is argued, therefore they should not be given proprietorial rights. Squatters did claim proprietorial rights, sometimes over tracts of land that were so vast that the idea was meaningless. They were prepared to fight the original inhabitants for the right to exclude them from the land that was their life, but they never became attached to the land they fought for.

    Such openers-up of country neither stay long enough nor wait long enough in the country to see how it works before setting about disrupting it, killing or driving off its native inhabitants, building roads, making boundaries. Not for nothing are these users of vast tracts of the Australian hinterland known as squatters. In the topsy-turvy Antipodean way, a word that denotes an abuser of the rights of others has come to signify "old money", an upper class, the "squattocracy". The land they took up was actually leased from the Crown; what they bought and sold was not land but leases. Today, the vast majority of Australians are not squatters but "owner-occupiers" who have acquired the freehold of tiny parcels of land, quarter-acre lots for the most part. In Australia, Crown land has been declared freehold by governmental fiat, usually in return for a money payment, but sometimes by a mere "stroke of the pen".

    The Crown is the most absentee of absentee landlords; no protest is ever heard from the Crown Estates Office against the arbitrary creation of freeholds and no action has ever been taken against a leaseholder for abuse of the land. If Aboriginalisation was achieved, the absentee landlord, the British Crown, would be replaced by an in-dwelling entity, the Aboriginal people (ie, all the people) of Australia. If Australia were to be recognised as an Aboriginal nation, Crown leasehold would vanish as a concept in Australian law because the Crown's claim to the land would be seen as invalid or extinct.

    Existing freeholds could be ratified, apart from exceptional cases where a pre-existing right of use or occupancy was recognised. If land were to become a national resource, governments could exercise closer control of its exploitation, and citizens would have a clearer perception that restrictions on land-use, for example, were made in their interest and ought to be observed by everyone.

    The leaseholders of the major part of Australian land historically speculated, devastated, and disappeared. The traveller across inland Australia will move from abandoned homestead to abandoned homestead, along lines of collapsed fences, past heaps of machinery rusting into the ground, to abandoned townships that once had churches and law courts, concert halls and racetracks, and are now no more than truck stops.

    Sheep replaced wheat in the arid inland, and in turn withdrew. None of the whitefellas who once made a living as stockmen, tank-sinkers, hawkers, shearers, policemen, hoteliers or bullockies, felt sufficient attachment to the country to stay there through drought and flood, or even to return when times got better. If the country couldn't earn its keep, the white man wanted none of it. And even when he could make a profit, the white man tended to take his money and run. Only the Aborigines stayed.

    Of all the transitory devastators of country, miners must be the worst. They arrived like locusts, stripping every vestige of vegetation off the ground, riddling it with holes and tunnels, and pimpling it with mullock heaps. Behind them came those who preyed on them, tax-collectors, publicans, prostitutes. Nowadays mining is not a matter of fossickers and battlers staking individual claims but of corporations investing in massively industrialised open-cut mining. The ore is carted away along temporary railway tracks laid across the desert. The miners live in trailer camps that will move when they do.

    Even the most important provincial towns, such as Broken Hill, where billions of dollars' worth of precious metals have been extracted from the ground, are withering. Their huge hotels are cavernous and empty. The flight from the inland continues; these days not even a new gold rush would get the people back again.

    Australians now travel throughout Australia as tourists; in recreational vehicles of all kinds, they penetrate into the remotest areas, driving thousands of kilometres to see funny-shaped rocks, taking photographs of the rocks and themselves with the rocks. They are on safari in their own land, treating their birthplace as if it were an exotic, thrillingly foreign wilderness, travelling from well-appointed campsite or hotel to another campsite or hotel. The people who stay longest in these remote places, and take jobs servicing the itinerant Australian tourist in Australia, are not indigenous, or native Australians, or even residents, but British backpackers.

    If we climbed out of the recreational vehicle and sat on the ground, we might begin to get the message that we can't afford to hear, the message that, since contact, Aborigines have never stopped transmitting. The land is the source of everything; if we rip it up and sell it off, we will perish with it, or else move on in our restless European way to devastate someone else's country - or planet.

    Aboriginality is not simply a cluster of behaviours and characteristics that individuals could claim for themselves; it is more importantly a characteristic of the continent itself. Australia will be truly self-governing and independent only when it has recognised its inherent and ineradicable Aboriginality. It is already too late perhaps for us to learn how to reverse the devastation inflicted by whitefellas in the short space of 200 years, but some attempt at damage limitation must be made. Recognising the custodianship of the land as a sacred trust would not be a bad place to start.

    To accept Aboriginality would be to deny the validity of the annexation of the continent for the British monarch. The planting of union flags on tiny bits of it would be seen from the Aboriginal point of view and understood to have been entirely insignificant. In this version of events, colonisation was attempted and failed. The colonial authorities tried to crisscross Australia with roads and railways, tried to populate the country, tried to build up a provincial society, tried to make money out of the country, tried to accumulate the gravitas of a world power, failed repeatedly and finally gave up. The colonists have now retreated to the beach where they originally landed; the inland remains indomitable.

    It has never been clear to me whether Australia in its present state can properly be described as post-colonial, because there seems to be nothing post- about it. The influence exerted by foreign corporations as the principal exploiters of Australian resources reinforces the colonial stereotype. Emerging as an Aboriginal Republic, Australia would stand alongside the exploited, instead of falsely identifying with the exploiter. This might involve a loss of prestige, but Australians have never had much truck with prestige. Australia's voluntary identification with the largest group in the United Nations, namely the emerging post-colonial republics, could provide an opportunity for genuine leadership, rather than the eternal flunkeydom that is our present lot.

    If we followed the Aboriginal course, we could follow Aboriginal precedent and simply absent ourselves from activities that we knew to be evil and pointless. Riding on the coat-tails of Britain, itself on the coat-tails of the USA, has brought Australia neither power nor wealth, and has cost us moral authority in our rather tenuous sphere of influence. The respect Australia earned in its handling of Timor it lost in the Gulf.

    If Australia were to declare its Aboriginality, all the trappings of fake Britishness could be ditched; the states already have premiers and do not need governors, but if we felt that some such outrigger were needed for the ship of state, we could appoint a council of elders who could comment on legislation from the point of view of Aboriginal law and custom, if they felt like it. Otherwise their function could be, as the gubernatorial function is, largely ceremonial. Already, Aboriginal ceremonial is being built into formal occasions in Australia, though in a rather shy and constrained fashion. If Australia were officially Aboriginal, these ceremonies would be more than lip service. If New Zealanders can reduce huge football stadiums to a breathless hush by performing the haka, we can dance, too.'
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  • ONCE DEVIDEDONCE DEVIDED Posts: 1,131
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Weird. I've never seen a blonde Aboriginal.

    But then for most people - Australians especially - the Aboriginals don't exist.

    Yep I would think that americans would think such things . as such an insular inward looking country that never feels the need to look out as they think their shit dont stink.
    meanwhile the rest of the world sees a bully who throws their weight around without understanding the consequences

    NOW GERMAINE GREER
    hasnt had anything to do with australia for somthing like 40 years. apart from dumping on their homeland.
    sure our history isnt pretty, we have done some bad things to our indignous people, a lot of people are racist. but no more than any other society.

    The problem with aboriginal health is in a large part down to alchaholism, the aboriginal people survived here for 50 thoasand years before we showed up, they were only introduced to our ills 200 years ago. it seems that they have a lessr tolerence to alcholism then standard society.

    we aussies are no better or worse than the rest of the world
    and that stupid fat arsed dumb POM greer can go fuck herself
    AUSSIE AUSSIE AUSSIE
  • ONCE DEVIDEDONCE DEVIDED Posts: 1,131
    If Australia were to declare its Aboriginality

    what the fuck does that mean.

    Im not aboriginal, Im an Australian
    an aboriginal is also an australian
    the indian dude who got his citizenship last australia day is an australian

    wahant pontificating bullshit from a ignorant pom
    AUSSIE AUSSIE AUSSIE
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Weird. I've never seen a blonde Aboriginal.

    But then for most people - Australians especially - the Aboriginals don't exist.

    :lol:

    steve, do you really wnat to go there???

    and by the way there are blonde indigenous peoples here.. youve just not looked too hard.. which really doesnt surprise me. youd prefer to jump on the wagon based on an incomplete view of a country cause its easier to lump a whole people together than actually dissect that society and admit that perhaps, in this instance, australians are not all the same. were definitely not all ignorant racist uncultural convicts just like all english arent whinging pasty white poms.
    hear my name
    take a good look
    this could be the day
    hold my hand
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  • redrockredrock Posts: 18,341
    edited October 2010
    Aboriginal culture is only part of the Australian heritage and, dare I say, one that quite well known via their art. Australia as a whole has a lot to offer but who really knows about their achievements in all kinds of different fields whether it be arts, film industry, science, architecture, etc. Can many people name an Australian 'invention'? An Australian author? Anybody realise there were several Australian nobel prize winners? I guess not. And not because there aren't any - on the contrary. But because Australia doesn't 'promote' itself in such a way that these achievements are well known.
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  • ONCE DEVIDEDONCE DEVIDED Posts: 1,131
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Weird. I've never seen a blonde Aboriginal.

    But then for most people - Australians especially - the Aboriginals don't exist.

    :lol:

    steve, do you really wnat to go there???

    and by the way there are blonde indigenous peoples here.. youve just not looked too hard.. which really doesnt surprise me. youd prefer to jump on the wagon based on an incomplete view of a country cause its easier to lump a whole people together than actually dissect that society and admit that perhaps, in this instance, australians are not all the same. were definitely not all ignorant racist uncultural convicts just like all english arent whinging pasty white poms.

    too right mate, struth these geezers are on the billy bong.
    to the rest of the world our aboriginal poulation are black as the ace of spades and still living in the bush cause us racist white men with our buxom sheilas wont let them have houses.
    Bit ignorant isnt it
    AUSSIE AUSSIE AUSSIE
  • stardust1976stardust1976 Posts: 1,301
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Weird. I've never seen a blonde Aboriginal.

    But then for most people - Australians especially - the Aboriginals don't exist.

    Yep I would think that americans would think such things . as such an insular inward looking country that never feels the need to look out as they think their shit dont stink.
    meanwhile the rest of the world sees a bully who throws their weight around without understanding the consequences

    NOW GERMAINE GREER
    hasnt had anything to do with australia for somthing like 40 years. apart from dumping on their homeland.
    sure our history isnt pretty, we have done some bad things to our indignous people, a lot of people are racist. but no more than any other society.

    The problem with aboriginal health is in a large part down to alchaholism, the aboriginal people survived here for 50 thoasand years before we showed up, they were only introduced to our ills 200 years ago. it seems that they have a lessr tolerence to alcholism then standard society.

    we aussies are no better or worse than the rest of the world
    and that stupid fat arsed dumb POM greer can go fuck herself

    I agree that we have done some not pretty things - probably to a slightly lesser extent than the US did to their native inhabitants, but I don't know enough about that to say for sure. What I do know is this is correct - there are big problems with alcoholism and other things such as petrol sniffing within Aboriginal communities here. Crime, poverty, violence, and low education standards along with poor health usually ensues. BUT, the Australian government DID say "sorry", (although I really feel that it was simply a token - but I also feel it didn't need to be said in the way it was - why should I say sorry for something I personally, nor any of my family, had any part in?) they make an enormous amount of allowances both in education and the financial sector, and in some circumstances, non Aboriginal or non Torres Strait Islanders are the ones being discriminated against in standard Australian society.

    Some people may disagree with this or find it offensive, but it's absolutely true. I believe ALL people are equal, but I also believe that white Australians have as much right to live here as the Aboriginal Australians.

    Germaine Greer is a moron, who doesn't live here, and gets off on pretending she is making a difference, when in actuality all she is doing is creating publicity for herself. Just my opinion, but I am allowed that opinion.

    I am not saying we are the perfect nation, or that we treat our Indigenous Australians better than any other country treats theirs - what I AM saying, is that we ARE pretty laid back for the most part - we do enjoy partying, and for a good majority of us, the beach and the casual laid back relaxed lifestyle (and yes beer) that comes as part of the territory, does define who we are as a nation.

    I have yet to meet someone who says they don't like Australians, or who says that they wouldn't like to visit here, or who says they hated it when they did visit. I think our attitude, our environment, and our collective intelligence makes us who we are, in terms of our country, and I think that an awful lot of Aussies play up to that stereotypical image of us. I know I do.
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    redrock wrote:
    Aboriginal culture is only part of the Australian heritage and, dare I say, one that quite well known via their art. Australia as a whole has a lot to offer but who really knows about their achievements in all kinds of different fields whether it be arts, film industry, science, architecture, etc. Can many people name an Australian 'invention'? An Australian author? I guess not. And not because there aren't any - on the contrary. But because Australia doesn't 'promote' itself in such a way that these achievements are well known.

    *she raises her hand in complete confidence.*


    i can. ;)8-)
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  • ONCE DEVIDEDONCE DEVIDED Posts: 1,131
    redrock wrote:
    Aboriginal culture is only part of the Australian heritage and, dare I say, one that quite well known via their art. Australia as a whole has a lot to offer but who really knows about their achievements in all kinds of different fields whether it be arts, film industry, science, architecture, etc. Can many people name an Australian 'invention'? An Australian author? I guess not. And not because there aren't any - on the contrary. But because Australia doesn't 'promote' itself in such a way that these achievements are well known.

    you got a lawn mower??
    what about a hills hoist
    what about the valve that prevented the whole fleet of american Herculees aircraft from being grounded and destroyed as the wings were falling off
    just a few quick ones.
    we just dont jump up and down going LOOK AT MOI LOOK AT MOI
    AUSSIE AUSSIE AUSSIE
  • redrockredrock Posts: 18,341
    redrock wrote:
    Aboriginal culture is only part of the Australian heritage and, dare I say, one that quite well known via their art. Australia as a whole has a lot to offer but who really knows about their achievements in all kinds of different fields whether it be arts, film industry, science, architecture, etc. Can many people name an Australian 'invention'? An Australian author? I guess not. And not because there aren't any - on the contrary. But because Australia doesn't 'promote' itself in such a way that these achievements are well known.

    *she raises her hand in complete confidence.*


    i can. ;)8-)

    OK... let me rephrase... 'Can many people not living in Australia, or Australians living there or anywhere else in the world name.... :mrgreen:
  • stardust1976stardust1976 Posts: 1,301
    redrock wrote:
    Aboriginal culture is only part of the Australian heritage and, dare I say, one that quite well known via their art. Australia as a whole has a lot to offer but who really knows about their achievements in all kinds of different fields whether it be arts, film industry, science, architecture, etc. Can many people name an Australian 'invention'? An Australian author? I guess not. And not because there aren't any - on the contrary. But because Australia doesn't 'promote' itself in such a way that these achievements are well known.

    Actually, I think you'll find we are quite intelligent as a nation - the black box voice recorder used in every aircraft was an Australian invention. The engineer who helped design the drilling rig that is currently rescuing the miners in Chile, is a West Australian, the Victa lawn mower, the Hills Hoist clothes line, the ute, along with many many many medical and scientific achievements, noble prize winners, doctors who are called overseas in times of emergency (one in particular comes to mind - another West Australian, burns specialist, mother of 6 children, very much in demand during the aftermath of the Bali bombings), what about Fred Hollows who did so much work with eye problems in poorer nations, there are SO many, that it would take days to find and list. A quick google search will list dozens straight up.
  • ONCE DEVIDEDONCE DEVIDED Posts: 1,131
    redrock wrote:
    redrock wrote:
    Aboriginal culture is only part of the Australian heritage and, dare I say, one that quite well known via their art. Australia as a whole has a lot to offer but who really knows about their achievements in all kinds of different fields whether it be arts, film industry, science, architecture, etc. Can many people name an Australian 'invention'? An Australian author? I guess not. And not because there aren't any - on the contrary. But because Australia doesn't 'promote' itself in such a way that these achievements are well known.

    *she raises her hand in complete confidence.*


    i can. ;)8-)

    OK... let me rephrase... 'Can many people not living in Australia, or Australians living there or anywhere else in the world name.... :mrgreen:
    and thats what this study was drawn from. Not reality. But Perceptions.
    Us aussies dont really care what the world thinks
    theirs waves and beer to be had
    AUSSIE AUSSIE AUSSIE
  • redrockredrock Posts: 18,341
    we just dont jump up and down going LOOK AT MOI LOOK AT MOI

    And it is so irritating when countries do that. But what I'm trying to say, if Australia promoted it's 'non-holiday', 'non-stereotyped' culture (of which it's achievements, significant people, etc. are part of), there may be a different perception of the country. I'm not saying this in a nasty way - just reflecting on the image of Australia that we see.
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    redrock wrote:
    redrock wrote:
    Aboriginal culture is only part of the Australian heritage and, dare I say, one that quite well known via their art. Australia as a whole has a lot to offer but who really knows about their achievements in all kinds of different fields whether it be arts, film industry, science, architecture, etc. Can many people name an Australian 'invention'? An Australian author? I guess not. And not because there aren't any - on the contrary. But because Australia doesn't 'promote' itself in such a way that these achievements are well known.

    *she raises her hand in complete confidence.*


    i can. ;)8-)

    OK... let me rephrase... 'Can many people not living in Australia, or Australians living there or anywhere else in the world name.... :mrgreen:

    sorry.. couldnt help myself. byrnzie got me riled. :mrgreen:
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  • ONCE DEVIDEDONCE DEVIDED Posts: 1,131
    Why is this douchebag from Austraila bashing on the USA? The article came from the UK you DOPE! This again proves the ignorance of your country way to go dummy! Go drink a Fosters you Koala banging Dick! :twisted:
    nobody in oz drinks fosters ya mug ( lol) we sell it to the yanks
    they get pissed on 2 cans cause their beer is lolly water.
    we drink COOPERS, VB or XXXX
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  • ONCE DEVIDEDONCE DEVIDED Posts: 1,131
    redrock wrote:
    we just dont jump up and down going LOOK AT MOI LOOK AT MOI

    And it is so irritating when countries do that. But what I'm trying to say, if Australia promoted it's 'non-holiday', 'non-stereotyped' culture (of which it's achievements, significant people, etc. are part of), there may be a different perception of the country. I'm not saying this in a nasty way - just reflecting on the image of Australia that we see.
    Know its not nasty mate

    I kinda like the image. the sun and the sea is a big part of us ( WE LIVE ON A BIG ISLAND REMEMBER). we are smart, we are dumb . we are ignorant, we are inquisitive . just like everyone else

    i LOVE A SUNBURNT COUNTRY
    A LAND OF SWEEPING PLAINS
    OF RUGGED MOUNTAIN RANGES
    OF DROUGHTS AND DRIVING RAINS
    i LOVE HER BLUE HORISONS
    i LOVE HER JEWELED SEA
    HER BEATY AND HER TERROR
    THE WIDE BROWN LAND FOR ME
    AUSSIE AUSSIE AUSSIE
  • redrockredrock Posts: 18,341
    Why is this douchebag from Austraila bashing on the USA? The article came from the UK you DOPE! This again proves the ignorance of your country way to go dummy! Go drink a Fosters you Koala banging Dick! :twisted:
    nobody in oz drinks fosters ya mug ( lol) we sell it to the yanks
    they get pissed on 2 cans cause their beer is lolly water.
    we drink COOPERS, VB or XXXX

    Look.. no need to call people mug and ignorant. if you read my post correctly, you would see that I took as an example an advert we see on TV depicting Australian men in a very stereotyped way. Who cares if you drink Fosters or not. It's an Australian beer being sold in a 'foreign' country by portraying australians in a not very flattering way.
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Yep I would think that americans would think such things

    I'm not American.
    NOW GERMAINE GREER
    hasnt had anything to do with australia for somthing like 40 years.

    Not true.
    sure our history isnt pretty, we have done some bad things to our indignous people, a lot of people are racist. but no more than any other society.

    The problem with aboriginal health is in a large part down to alchaholism, the aboriginal people survived here for 50 thoasand years before we showed up, they were only introduced to our ills 200 years ago. it seems that they have a lessr tolerence to alcholism then standard society.

    we aussies are no better or worse than the rest of the world
    and that stupid fat arsed dumb POM greer can go fuck herself


    Same thing I always hear from Australians whenever the Aboriginals are mentioned: The Aboriginals are alcoholics. Like I said, you brush them under the carpet.
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    If Australia were to declare its Aboriginality

    what the fuck does that mean.

    Im not aboriginal, Im an Australian
    an aboriginal is also an australian
    the indian dude who got his citizenship last australia day is an australian

    wahant pontificating bullshit from a ignorant pom

    So you dismissed the above article first calling Germaine Greer a dumb bitch e.t.c, and then read the article - or at least the first paragraph - afterwards.
  • ONCE DEVIDEDONCE DEVIDED Posts: 1,131
    redrock wrote:
    Why is this douchebag from Austraila bashing on the USA? The article came from the UK you DOPE! This again proves the ignorance of your country way to go dummy! Go drink a Fosters you Koala banging Dick! :twisted:
    nobody in oz drinks fosters ya mug ( lol) we sell it to the yanks
    they get pissed on 2 cans cause their beer is lolly water.
    we drink COOPERS, VB or XXXX

    Look.. no need to call people mug and ignorant. if you read my post correctly, you would see that I took as an example an advert we see on TV depicting Australian men in a very stereotyped way. Who cares if you drink Fosters or not. It's an Australian beer being sold in a 'foreign' country by portraying australians in a not very flattering way.
    SORRY mate
    was trying to sound as ignorantly ausiie as I could
    Ya mug isnt an insult to you at al or others ( very aussie term). and paying out on the american beer . take it easy big guy. no insults intended.
    AUSSIE AUSSIE AUSSIE
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