Death penalty revisited ?......

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  • Bronx Bombers
    Bronx Bombers Posts: 2,208
    Both were released early on parole if they served their full sentences the family would still be alive. The parole board has the blood of this family on their hands and i hope it haunts them for the rest of their lives.
    Godfather. wrote:
    Bronx Bombers wrote:
    Who cares if they feel sorry for themselves. I feel sorry for Dr Petit who has to relive what happened during these trials. I'm completely confident that at the end of the day he will receive the justice he's seeking and these animals will be put down.

    I just posted an update not my opinion,but did you notice they are both ex-con's ? makes you wonder if the system really works.

    Godfather.
  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
    Hugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    Godfather. wrote:
    I just posted an update not my opinion,but did you notice they are both ex-con's ? makes you wonder if the system really works.

    Godfather.

    of course the system doesn't really work. it's flawed like everything else invented by man. but that shouldn't stop us from seeking justice anyway. jail for natural life.
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  • UpSideDown
    UpSideDown Posts: 1,966
    People that are saying that life in prison is pure torture......you do realize that some inmates (not the majority, but there are some) actually grow to enjoy being in prison? Especially ones with mental issues.
  • Bronx Bombers
    Bronx Bombers Posts: 2,208
    That's your opinion of justice but Dr Petit has a different opinion and in this case his is the only one that really matters. Both offered to plead guilty in exchange for life but Dr Petit is willing to subject himself to the trials so he doesn't believe that justice
    will be served by them spending the rest
    of their lives in prison. Dont you think his opinion should count for something?
    Paul David wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    I just posted an update not my opinion,but did you notice they are both ex-con's ? makes you wonder if the system really works.

    Godfather.

    of course the system doesn't really work. it's flawed like everything else invented by man. but that shouldn't stop us from seeking justice anyway. jail for natural life.
  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    UpSideDown wrote:
    People that are saying that life in prison is pure torture......you do realize that some inmates (not the majority, but there are some) actually grow to enjoy being in prison? Especially ones with mental issues.

    Then it begs the question - is a prison the place for people with mental issues? Shouldn't they be in a mental institution? Was the mental issue the reason of their crime and, should they have been treated, would the crime have been committed? Then it's punishment over treatment.
  • Bronx Bombers
    Bronx Bombers Posts: 2,208
    Both were found competent to stand trial

    redrock wrote:
    UpSideDown wrote:
    People that are saying that life in prison is pure torture......you do realize that some inmates (not the majority, but there are some) actually grow to enjoy being in prison? Especially ones with mental issues.

    Then it begs the question - is a prison the place for people with mental issues? Shouldn't they be in a mental institution? Was the mental issue the reason of their crime and, should they have been treated, would the crime have been committed? Then it's punishment over treatment.
  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    Bronx Bombers wrote:
    Both were found competent to stand trial

    redrock wrote:
    UpSideDown wrote:
    People that are saying that life in prison is pure torture......you do realize that some inmates (not the majority, but there are some) actually grow to enjoy being in prison? Especially ones with mental issues.

    Then it begs the question - is a prison the place for people with mental issues? Shouldn't they be in a mental institution? Was the mental issue the reason of their crime and, should they have been treated, would the crime have been committed? Then it's punishment over treatment.

    I'm not talking about this case, I'm responding to UpSideDown's comment about the prisoners with mental issues.
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    :crazy: :wtf: :crazy: :lolno: :shock: :crazy: ......... :D

    Godfather.
  • UpSideDown
    UpSideDown Posts: 1,966
    redrock wrote:
    UpSideDown wrote:
    People that are saying that life in prison is pure torture......you do realize that some inmates (not the majority, but there are some) actually grow to enjoy being in prison? Especially ones with mental issues.

    Then it begs the question - is a prison the place for people with mental issues? Shouldn't they be in a mental institution? Was the mental issue the reason of their crime and, should they have been treated, would the crime have been committed? Then it's punishment over treatment.

    Depends on the severity. Everybody has mental/psychological "issues" to some extent.
  • OnTheEdge
    OnTheEdge Posts: 1,300
    satansbed wrote:
    1.if your locked up for the next 20 or 30 years that's all you can do with your life, when your dead your dead, its a lot easier to be dead than to live with your conscience, that's not to say its worse, its just more difficult

    2. the fact there is zero doubt is irrelevant to the death penalty argument in general, there is still a chance of executing someone that's innocent if the system allows executions


    and there is still the idea of killing people because they killed people, which is very ironic,


    I don't believe these guys have a consciense.
  • TriumphantAngel
    TriumphantAngel Posts: 1,760
    Bronx Bombers wrote:
    That's your opinion of justice but Dr Petit has a different opinion and in this case his is the only one that really matters. Both offered to plead guilty in exchange for life but Dr Petit is willing to subject himself to the trials so he doesn't believe that justice will be served by them spending the rest
    of their lives in prison. Dont you think his opinion should count for something?
    just say it's the opposite scenario where the victims family don't support state sanctioned murder and there's a real chance the offenders could be sentenced to death. do you think their opinion should count for something?
  • Bronx Bombers
    Bronx Bombers Posts: 2,208
    TriumphantAngel wrote:
    just say it's the opposite scenario where the victims family don't support state sanctioned murder and there's a real chance the offenders could be sentenced to death. do you think their opinion should count for something?

    Absolutely and I would fully support that if they so chose, I have no right to question a victims family decision in these matters.
  • TriumphantAngel
    TriumphantAngel Posts: 1,760
    Bronx Bombers wrote:
    TriumphantAngel wrote:
    just say it's the opposite scenario where the victims family don't support state sanctioned murder and there's a real chance the offenders could be sentenced to death. do you think their opinion should count for something?

    Absolutely and I would fully support that if they so chose, I have no right to question a victims family decision in these matters.
    while i agree the victims families are free to campaign for or against the death penalty, i don't believe that they should be able to decide the offenders fate.

    i think it's important that if they want to, the victims family should be able to tell the court, the jury and the accused, how the death of their loved one has impacted on their lives. they should be able to express these feelings by way of a victim impact statement and make it clear that the person killed is not just a 'name in court' to them. they were actually someone very precious to them. i absolutely i support that.

    ultimately though, justice should be based on the actions of the perpetrator. not the feelings of the victims.

    i probably should mention that justice to me will never include state sanctioned murder.
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    TriumphantAngel wrote:
    Bronx Bombers wrote:
    TriumphantAngel wrote:
    just say it's the opposite scenario where the victims family don't support state sanctioned murder and there's a real chance the offenders could be sentenced to death. do you think their opinion should count for something?

    Absolutely and I would fully support that if they so chose, I have no right to question a victims family decision in these matters.
    while i agree the victims families are free to campaign for or against the death penalty, i don't believe that they should be able to decide the offenders fate.

    i think it's important that if they want to, the victims family should be able to tell the court, the jury and the accused, how the death of their loved one has impacted on their lives. they should be able to express these feelings by way of a victim impact statement and make it clear that the person killed is not just a 'name in court' to them. they were actually someone very precious to them. i absolutely i support that.

    ultimately though, justice should be based on the actions of the perpetrator. not the feelings of the victims.

    i probably should mention that justice to me will never include state sanctioned murder.

    I forget where but in at least one country the family of the victim is allowed to carry out the execution,
    I saw some video footage of this in a place called the museum of death...pretty gory stuff..the family was pissed at this guy to say the least.

    Godfather.
  • Cosmo
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    UpSideDown wrote:
    People that are saying that life in prison is pure torture......you do realize that some inmates (not the majority, but there are some) actually grow to enjoy being in prison? Especially ones with mental issues.
    ...
    I think that's a good thing. That way, they won't try to escape. I just don't want crazy killers out in the parking lots I cross.
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  • Jason P
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    I think I may have a win/win proposal for everyone.

    The prosecutors can propose that they will not go after the death penalty provided the defendants plead guilty and have to spend their life sentences in the Peruvian jail that Vandersloot is holed up in . . . but they must stay in the general population. The State of Connecticut can supplement the confinement costs to Peru, which should be dramatically lower then what it would cost them in-house.

    If both governments came to an agreement, would anyone be opposed to this plan?
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  • Bronx Bombers
    Bronx Bombers Posts: 2,208
    1 down 1 to go, Hayes found guilty on 16 of 17 counts including all 6 capital charges. His death can't come soon enough.
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    Jason P wrote:
    I think I may have a win/win proposal for everyone.

    The prosecutors can propose that they will not go after the death penalty provided the defendants plead guilty and have to spend their life sentences in the Peruvian jail that Vandersloot is holed up in . . . but they must stay in the general population. The State of Connecticut can supplement the confinement costs to Peru, which should be dramatically lower then what it would cost them in-house.

    If both governments came to an agreement, would anyone be opposed to this plan?


    :thumbup:

    Godfather.
  • _
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    http://www.innocenceproject.org/know/Br ... ofiles.php

    Check out this website. It tells about many, many people who were convicted of horrible crimes and did many years of time and then were found to be innocent.

    Also, check out the documentary After Innocence.
  • Bronx Bombers
    Bronx Bombers Posts: 2,208
    Well we don't have to worry about killing any innocents in this case as both were caught at the scene of the crime and have admitted their guilt.

    scb wrote:
    http://www.innocenceproject.org/know/Browse-Profiles.php

    Check out this website. It tells about many, many people who were convicted of horrible crimes and did many years of time and then were found to be innocent.

    Also, check out the documentary After Innocence.

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