You have referenced Pelican Bay a few times here, the following is an excerpt from the letter I posted in my last post, I would be interested in your opinion.
A poor argument made by many of the abolitionists is that life in prison without the possibility of parole is a "worse" punishment than death-if they (the abolitionists) are so magnanimous and forgiving why are they opting for a punishment that is worse, i.e., life without the possibility of parole instead of the death penalty?
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I didn't mean to imply that life without parole is 'worse' than death. I'm just saying that we have some very secure facilities that house some horrible, horrible people.
I feel it is a suitable alternative to capital punishment. Living out your days in one of these horrible places is not for me... but, for the worst of the worst in the prison population, i believe it is what they deserve.
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You have referenced Pelican Bay a few times here, the following is an excerpt from the letter I posted in my last post, I would be interested in your opinion.
A poor argument made by many of the abolitionists is that life in prison without the possibility of parole is a "worse" punishment than death-if they (the abolitionists) are so magnanimous and forgiving why are they opting for a punishment that is worse, i.e., life without the possibility of parole instead of the death penalty?
because while I truely believe that life in prison would be worse than the relief of death, it is not up to anyone on Earth to decide if someone should live or not live, but at the same time, we need to protect society, so incarceration is the only viable alternative.
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You have referenced Pelican Bay a few times here, the following is an excerpt from the letter I posted in my last post, I would be interested in your opinion.
A poor argument made by many of the abolitionists is that life in prison without the possibility of parole is a "worse" punishment than death-if they (the abolitionists) are so magnanimous and forgiving why are they opting for a punishment that is worse, i.e., life without the possibility of parole instead of the death penalty?
because while I truely believe that life in prison would be worse than the relief of death, it is not up to anyone on Earth to decide if someone should live or not live, but at the same time, we need to protect society, so incarceration is the only viable alternative.
Can we cover these assholes in bacon grease and turn them loose on Kodiak Island? Then their fate wouldn't be in the hands of any human...
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because while I truely believe that life in prison would be worse than the relief of death, it is not up to anyone on Earth to decide if someone should live or not live, but at the same time, we need to protect society, so incarceration is the only viable alternative.
Can we cover these assholes in bacon grease and turn them loose on Kodiak Island? Then their fate wouldn't be in the hands of any human...
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A poor argument made by many of the abolitionists is that life in prison without the possibility of parole is a "worse" punishment than death-if they (the abolitionists) are so magnanimous and forgiving why are they opting for a punishment that is worse, i.e., life without the possibility of parole instead of the death penalty?
I do appreciate the response from Paul David but I am a little disappointed that he was the only one to respond to this post. I would have thought more people would have a opinion especially from some of the anti death penalty advocates that have posted in this thread? I'm not going call anyone a hypocrite but at the end of the day I truly believe that the majority of people who are against the death penalty would have a different opinion if what happened to the Petit family were to happen to their family.
A poor argument made by many of the abolitionists is that life in prison without the possibility of parole is a "worse" punishment than death-if they (the abolitionists) are so magnanimous and forgiving why are they opting for a punishment that is worse, i.e., life without the possibility of parole instead of the death penalty?
I do appreciate the response from Paul David but I am a little disappointed that he was the only one to respond to this post. I would have thought more people would have a opinion especially from some of the anti death penalty advocates that have posted in this thread? I'm not going call anyone a hypocrite but at the end of the day I truly believe that the majority of people who are against the death penalty would have a different opinion if what happened to the Petit family were to happen to their family.
A poor argument made by many of the abolitionists is that life in prison without the possibility of parole is a "worse" punishment than death-if they (the abolitionists) are so magnanimous and forgiving why are they opting for a punishment that is worse, i.e., life without the possibility of parole instead of the death penalty?
I do appreciate the response from Paul David but I am a little disappointed that he was the only one to respond to this post. I would have thought more people would have a opinion especially from some of the anti death penalty advocates that have posted in this thread? I'm not going call anyone a hypocrite but at the end of the day I truly believe that the majority of people who are against the death penalty would have a different opinion if what happened to the Petit family were to happen to their family.
but thats exactly why they won't be on the jury
I quoted you in this thread, I would be interested in hearing your opinion as to what I posted.
I quoted you in this thread, I would be interested in hearing your opinion as to what I posted.
well i wouldn't say life in prison is worse than death, if they die they avoid having to think about what they have done, they avoid having to live with it, if they are locked up until they die they have to face there actions.
i also think that it's better to leave criminals live than executing an innocent person
and i never got the idea of "they killed some one it's horrible.... so lets kill them"
I quoted you in this thread, I would be interested in hearing your opinion as to what I posted.
well i wouldn't say life in prison is worse than death, if they die they avoid having to think about what they have done, they avoid having to live with it, if they are locked up until they die they have to face there actions.
They've been in prison for 3 years so they've had nothing but time to think about what they've done. Honestly do you think they actually care about what they've done, does it really matter if they live for 3 years or 30?
i also think that it's better to leave criminals live than executing an innocent person
But in this case their is zero doubt that they're guilty of these crimes, both were caught at the scene of the crime and both were willing to plead guilty in exchange for life sentences.
1.if your locked up for the next 20 or 30 years that's all you can do with your life, when your dead your dead, its a lot easier to be dead than to live with your conscience, that's not to say its worse, its just more difficult
2. the fact there is zero doubt is irrelevant to the death penalty argument in general, there is still a chance of executing someone that's innocent if the system allows executions
and there is still the idea of killing people because they killed people, which is very ironic,
1.if your locked up for the next 20 or 30 years that's all you can do with your life, when your dead your dead, its a lot easier to be dead than to live with your conscience, that's not to say its worse, its just more difficult
2. the fact there is zero doubt is irrelevant to the death penalty argument in general, there is still a chance of executing someone that's innocent if the system allows executions
and there is still the idea of killing people because they killed people, which is very ironic,
Daily I hear of crooked cops.
there are so many compelling reasons to not execute......but the one that seems unfathomable to me is that some are okay with a few innocents being executed, as this WILL happen, to satisfy their need for vengence. And if you are okay with a few lives being ended what percent is okay.....1%? 5% 10.%? Yes I know some cases the evidence is compelling.....but some will slip by....is it worth it? Ranting...sorry.
They've been in prison for 3 years so they've had nothing but time to think about what they've done. Honestly do you think they actually care about what they've done, does it really matter if they live for 3 years or 30? .
If they don't care about what they have done and don't need to deal with their conscience, what will get them is day after day after day of loss of freedom, being under the thumb of authority, doing what you are told, when you are told, solitude, watching your back, etc. and having to think this will be for the rest of your life.
They've been in prison for 3 years so they've had nothing but time to think about what they've done. Honestly do you think they actually care about what they've done, does it really matter if they live for 3 years or 30? .
If they don't care about what they have done and don't need to deal with their conscience, what will get them is day after day after day of loss of freedom, being under the thumb of authority, doing what you are told, when you are told, solitude, watching your back, etc. and having to think this will be for the rest of your life.
+1 its the biggest torture..and be sure that all what Rita post,have a why inside them..why i have to pass all this for the next 30 years..?cos u are a murderer...the worst fight is when u fight with your thoughts..
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Some of you people are living in a fantasy land if you think these career criminals have a conscience like you and me. The younger killer had a 6 year old daughter himself but his conscience didn't bother him as he raped and beat a 11 year old girl. He photographed her during this because he was planning on blackmailing the father. He than left her tied to her bed and set her room on fire. I guess his conscience hasn't really been bothering him since than because he's already written a book about the crimes.
The other killer went back to the house 4x during the crime so he had the chance to walk away but instead he beat and raped the wife before he strangled her as she begged for her life. He than poured gasoline over her and set her on fire. When he ran out of the burning house he was laughing.
These animals don't have a conscience so lets not assume that they're going to be haunted by what they did as they rot a jail cell.
These animals don't have a conscience so lets not assume that they're going to be haunted by what they did as they rot a jail cell.
If you read my post correctly, you will see that I explained this. They may not be haunted by what they did but there are a lot of other deterrents about life in prison (should it really be life). They won't be sorry for the victims or for their crime, they will feel sorry for themselves.
Who cares if they feel sorry for themselves. I feel sorry for Dr Petit who has to relive what happened during these trials. I'm completely confident that at the end of the day he will receive the justice he's seeking and these animals will be put down.
Who cares if they feel sorry for themselves. I feel sorry for Dr Petit who has to relive what happened during these trials. I'm completely confident that at the end of the day he will receive the justice he's seeking and these animals will be put down.
I just posted an update not my opinion,but did you notice they are both ex-con's ? makes you wonder if the system really works.
Both were released early on parole if they served their full sentences the family would still be alive. The parole board has the blood of this family on their hands and i hope it haunts them for the rest of their lives.
Who cares if they feel sorry for themselves. I feel sorry for Dr Petit who has to relive what happened during these trials. I'm completely confident that at the end of the day he will receive the justice he's seeking and these animals will be put down.
I just posted an update not my opinion,but did you notice they are both ex-con's ? makes you wonder if the system really works.
I just posted an update not my opinion,but did you notice they are both ex-con's ? makes you wonder if the system really works.
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of course the system doesn't really work. it's flawed like everything else invented by man. but that shouldn't stop us from seeking justice anyway. jail for natural life.
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People that are saying that life in prison is pure torture......you do realize that some inmates (not the majority, but there are some) actually grow to enjoy being in prison? Especially ones with mental issues.
That's your opinion of justice but Dr Petit has a different opinion and in this case his is the only one that really matters. Both offered to plead guilty in exchange for life but Dr Petit is willing to subject himself to the trials so he doesn't believe that justice
will be served by them spending the rest
of their lives in prison. Dont you think his opinion should count for something?
I just posted an update not my opinion,but did you notice they are both ex-con's ? makes you wonder if the system really works.
Godfather.
of course the system doesn't really work. it's flawed like everything else invented by man. but that shouldn't stop us from seeking justice anyway. jail for natural life.
People that are saying that life in prison is pure torture......you do realize that some inmates (not the majority, but there are some) actually grow to enjoy being in prison? Especially ones with mental issues.
Then it begs the question - is a prison the place for people with mental issues? Shouldn't they be in a mental institution? Was the mental issue the reason of their crime and, should they have been treated, would the crime have been committed? Then it's punishment over treatment.
People that are saying that life in prison is pure torture......you do realize that some inmates (not the majority, but there are some) actually grow to enjoy being in prison? Especially ones with mental issues.
Then it begs the question - is a prison the place for people with mental issues? Shouldn't they be in a mental institution? Was the mental issue the reason of their crime and, should they have been treated, would the crime have been committed? Then it's punishment over treatment.
People that are saying that life in prison is pure torture......you do realize that some inmates (not the majority, but there are some) actually grow to enjoy being in prison? Especially ones with mental issues.
Then it begs the question - is a prison the place for people with mental issues? Shouldn't they be in a mental institution? Was the mental issue the reason of their crime and, should they have been treated, would the crime have been committed? Then it's punishment over treatment.
I'm not talking about this case, I'm responding to UpSideDown's comment about the prisoners with mental issues.
People that are saying that life in prison is pure torture......you do realize that some inmates (not the majority, but there are some) actually grow to enjoy being in prison? Especially ones with mental issues.
Then it begs the question - is a prison the place for people with mental issues? Shouldn't they be in a mental institution? Was the mental issue the reason of their crime and, should they have been treated, would the crime have been committed? Then it's punishment over treatment.
Depends on the severity. Everybody has mental/psychological "issues" to some extent.
1.if your locked up for the next 20 or 30 years that's all you can do with your life, when your dead your dead, its a lot easier to be dead than to live with your conscience, that's not to say its worse, its just more difficult
2. the fact there is zero doubt is irrelevant to the death penalty argument in general, there is still a chance of executing someone that's innocent if the system allows executions
and there is still the idea of killing people because they killed people, which is very ironic,
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I didn't mean to imply that life without parole is 'worse' than death. I'm just saying that we have some very secure facilities that house some horrible, horrible people.
I feel it is a suitable alternative to capital punishment. Living out your days in one of these horrible places is not for me... but, for the worst of the worst in the prison population, i believe it is what they deserve.
Hail, Hail!!!
because while I truely believe that life in prison would be worse than the relief of death, it is not up to anyone on Earth to decide if someone should live or not live, but at the same time, we need to protect society, so incarceration is the only viable alternative.
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I do appreciate the response from Paul David but I am a little disappointed that he was the only one to respond to this post. I would have thought more people would have a opinion especially from some of the anti death penalty advocates that have posted in this thread? I'm not going call anyone a hypocrite but at the end of the day I truly believe that the majority of people who are against the death penalty would have a different opinion if what happened to the Petit family were to happen to their family.
but thats exactly why they won't be on the jury
I quoted you in this thread, I would be interested in hearing your opinion as to what I posted.
well i wouldn't say life in prison is worse than death, if they die they avoid having to think about what they have done, they avoid having to live with it, if they are locked up until they die they have to face there actions.
i also think that it's better to leave criminals live than executing an innocent person
and i never got the idea of "they killed some one it's horrible.... so lets kill them"
They've been in prison for 3 years so they've had nothing but time to think about what they've done. Honestly do you think they actually care about what they've done, does it really matter if they live for 3 years or 30?
But in this case their is zero doubt that they're guilty of these crimes, both were caught at the scene of the crime and both were willing to plead guilty in exchange for life sentences.
2. the fact there is zero doubt is irrelevant to the death penalty argument in general, there is still a chance of executing someone that's innocent if the system allows executions
and there is still the idea of killing people because they killed people, which is very ironic,
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there are so many compelling reasons to not execute......but the one that seems unfathomable to me is that some are okay with a few innocents being executed, as this WILL happen, to satisfy their need for vengence. And if you are okay with a few lives being ended what percent is okay.....1%? 5% 10.%? Yes I know some cases the evidence is compelling.....but some will slip by....is it worth it? Ranting...sorry.
If they don't care about what they have done and don't need to deal with their conscience, what will get them is day after day after day of loss of freedom, being under the thumb of authority, doing what you are told, when you are told, solitude, watching your back, etc. and having to think this will be for the rest of your life.
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
The other killer went back to the house 4x during the crime so he had the chance to walk away but instead he beat and raped the wife before he strangled her as she begged for her life. He than poured gasoline over her and set her on fire. When he ran out of the burning house he was laughing.
These animals don't have a conscience so lets not assume that they're going to be haunted by what they did as they rot a jail cell.
If you read my post correctly, you will see that I explained this. They may not be haunted by what they did but there are a lot of other deterrents about life in prison (should it really be life). They won't be sorry for the victims or for their crime, they will feel sorry for themselves.
I just posted an update not my opinion,but did you notice they are both ex-con's ? makes you wonder if the system really works.
Godfather.
of course the system doesn't really work. it's flawed like everything else invented by man. but that shouldn't stop us from seeking justice anyway. jail for natural life.
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will be served by them spending the rest
of their lives in prison. Dont you think his opinion should count for something?
Then it begs the question - is a prison the place for people with mental issues? Shouldn't they be in a mental institution? Was the mental issue the reason of their crime and, should they have been treated, would the crime have been committed? Then it's punishment over treatment.
I'm not talking about this case, I'm responding to UpSideDown's comment about the prisoners with mental issues.
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Depends on the severity. Everybody has mental/psychological "issues" to some extent.
I don't believe these guys have a consciense.