Global Warming not looking good

shadowcast

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100914/lf_ ... _vikings_1

Ok, what the article says is that they are finding loads and loads of ancient artifacts from Vikings in these once snow packed regions. So, since they are finding these artifacts in places that couldn't be excavated because there was to much snow mean that once there was not that much snow and that people actually lived there before the ice formed? I'm calling another Bullshit on the whole "Global Warming" thing.

Again I'm all for recycling and clean air but to think we are actually changing the climate? I am finding it more and more harder to believe.

marcos

I agree for the most part as I think many of the people that so in to that stuff seem like they're just doing it to feel good about themselves and are leading unfullfilled lives, but obviously I'm against the oil spill and nuclear energy, but the earth has been around for a long time, it will destroy us before we destroy it. Man will always lose vs. mother nature.

Electric_Delta

shadowcast wrote:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100914/lf_nm_life/us_climate_vikings_1

Ok, what the article says is that they are finding loads and loads of ancient artifacts from Vikings in these once snow packed regions. So, since they are finding these artifacts in places that couldn't be excavated because there was to much snow mean that once there was not that much snow and that people actually lived there before the ice formed? I'm calling another Bullshit on the whole "Global Warming" thing.

Again I'm all for recycling and clean air but to think we are actually changing the climate? I am finding it more and harder to believe.

We have a duty to respect the planet, but global warming is nothing more than a power-grabbing hoax. Thanks for the article.

UpSideDown

Just gotta say I disagree with the logic going on in this thread.......

shadowcast wrote:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100914/lf_nm_life/us_climate_vikings_1

Ok, what the article says is that they are finding loads and loads of ancient artifacts from Vikings in these once snow packed regions. So, since they are finding these artifacts in places that couldn't be excavated because there was to much snow mean that once there was not that much snow and that people actually lived there before the ice formed? I'm calling another Bullshit on the whole "Global Warming" thing.

Again I'm all for recycling and clean air but to think we are actually changing the climate? I am finding it more and more harder to believe.

So ice is melting at an alarming pace...and you are using the article as evidence to disprove global warming? Yes, the Earth will have its natural shifts in temperatures, but unless scientists have completely reversed their data, I'm pretty sure the recent temperature runups are much faster than average and coincide directly with the industrial age......

marcos wrote:

the earth has been around for a long time, it will destroy us before we destroy it. Man will always lose vs. mother nature.

Humans have been on this planet for like .000001% of its existance.....and we hit the ground running with trying to fuck it up, thats for sure.......

LikeAnOcean

The only way to prevent global warming is to stop having so many children. The earth is used to our numbers in the hundreds of thousands. Not billions. That's a lot of energy for billions of people.. We've gone from 1 billion to 7 billion in the last 100 years alone.. Mother nature just hasn't slapped us for it yet.

catefrances

LikeAnOcean wrote:

The only way to prevent global warming is to stop having so many children. The earth is used to our numbers in the hundreds of thousands. Not billions. That's a lot of energy for billions of people.. We've gone from 1 billion to 7 billion in the last 100 years alone.. Mother nature just hasn't slapped us for it yet.

how do you know what numbers the earth can sustain? sure if we stopped populating wed stabilise and eventually decrease in population. but ive said it once and ill say it again... its a management problem. we arent living sustainably and continue to rape mother nature and we wonder why the earths groaning. no one will take the initiative to decrease our reliance on fossil fuels... all tye do is talk and talk and run focus groups and 'studies'. just fucking do it already before i have to start drinking my pee. where are our leaders.. and should we even be relying on them anyway...

LikeAnOcean

catefrances wrote:

LikeAnOcean wrote:

The only way to prevent global warming is to stop having so many children. The earth is used to our numbers in the hundreds of thousands. Not billions. That's a lot of energy for billions of people.. We've gone from 1 billion to 7 billion in the last 100 years alone.. Mother nature just hasn't slapped us for it yet.

how do you know what numbers the earth can sustain? sure if we stopped populating wed stabilise and eventually decrease in population. but ive said it once and ill say it again... its a management problem. we arent living sustainably and continue to rape mother nature and we wonder why the earths groaning. no one will take the initiative to decrease our reliance on fossil fuels... all tye do is talk and talk and run focus groups and 'studies'. just fucking do it already before i have to start drinking my pee. where are our leaders.. and should we even be relying on them anyway...

I don't think we can live sustainable as we are and global warming is a direct result of it. Sure we could be more efficient, but I don't think at this point it would help much, just slow down the process. It's going to catch up with us.

If you haven't read it, I highly recommend reading Ishmael by Daniel Quinn. We started altering the planet the second we started planted crops.

ONCE DEVIDED

Do you shit in your living room.
do you piss in your bedroom
cause thats what we are doing to our planet
regardless of global warming.
Isnt this whole debate , this time in our growth as humans on this one little oasis in a galaxy of dried desolate places. I cannot see why we cannot develop cleaner , greener ways to do things . Or are we stupid
Why do we need all this consumer crap. we dont
Food
shelter
water
love
is all we need. everthing else is just salad dressing.
sure its tasty. but the salad would be just as filling without it

catefrances

LikeAnOcean wrote:

catefrances wrote:

LikeAnOcean wrote:

The only way to prevent global warming is to stop having so many children. The earth is used to our numbers in the hundreds of thousands. Not billions. That's a lot of energy for billions of people.. We've gone from 1 billion to 7 billion in the last 100 years alone.. Mother nature just hasn't slapped us for it yet.

how do you know what numbers the earth can sustain? sure if we stopped populating wed stabilise and eventually decrease in population. but ive said it once and ill say it again... its a management problem. we arent living sustainably and continue to rape mother nature and we wonder why the earths groaning. no one will take the initiative to decrease our reliance on fossil fuels... all tye do is talk and talk and run focus groups and 'studies'. just fucking do it already before i have to start drinking my pee. where are our leaders.. and should we even be relying on them anyway...

I don't think we can live sustainable as we are and global warming is a direct result of it. Sure we could be more efficient, but I don't think at this point it would help much, just slow down the process. It's going to catch up with us.

If you haven't read it, I highly recommend reading Ishmael by Daniel Quinn. We started altering the planet the second we started planted crops.

yes ive read ishmael.

slowing down the process is good but dont you think?? no reason we need to go screaming into the abyss at top speed.perhaps we can slow it down enough to give us space to make real changes that make a different for future generations. its an ongoing process. theres no quick fix and the bigheads need to understand that and act accordingly instead of being beholden to the greed of the corporate world.


it has to start somewhere
it has to start some time
what better place than here
what better time than now

wolfamongwolves

shadowcast wrote:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100914/lf_nm_life/us_climate_vikings_1

I'm calling another Bullshit on the whole "Global Warming" thing.

Again I'm all for recycling and clean air but to think we are actually changing the climate? I am finding it more and more harder to believe.

200 years ago, human beings suddenly started producing vast amount more carbon waste than ever before, and have been doing so on a massive and ever-increasing rate ever since. That's every single day, for 200 years, by first millions, and now billions, of people around the world, churning out more and more effluent that has nowhere go but stay in the atmosphere. And you find it hard to believe it would have an impact?! :shock: Even with ever-increasing amounts of evidence from people infinitely more qualified than you to corroborate it?

I am finding it "more and more harder" [sic] to believe people who can still bury their heads in the sand about this...

nuffingman

Well global warming is most definitely not here in the UK (I think). A shitty and cold summer, following an snowy and cold winter. That's 2 snowy winters on the trot. There are so called qualified experts that believe in GW and others that think it's bull.

I have an open mind.

wolfamongwolves

nuffingman wrote:

Well global warming is most definitely not here in the UK (I think). A shitty and cold summer, following an snowy and cold winter. That's 2 snowy winters on the trot. There are so called qualified experts that believe in GW and others that think it's bull.

I have an open mind.

By the very fact that it's called "global" warming, looking at it from the perspective on one tiny corner of the globe is meaningless. Global warming means that the average temperature of the globe is increasing.In fact, global warming refers as much to continuing rises in ocean temperatures as in atmospheric temperatures.

"Climate change" is a much more nuanced term that skirts the problems of people thinking "global warming' bullshit cos it was cold today".

Fact of the matter is, on a global scale, 13 of the warmest years on record were in the last 14 years, whether or not parts of the globe were colder.

catefrances

nuanced... i like that word.

Jason P

In my short time on this planet, I've observed the following patterns for the midwest.

1980's - Cold winters, lots of snow; Hot humid summers
1990's - Tepid winters, some large snowfall but usually it melted within a few days; Hot humid summers
2000 - 2005: Same as the 90's
2005 - 2010: Cold winters, lots of snow; Summers don't seem to be quite as hot or humid (still bad at times)

I don't know what to make of that.

blueandwhite

Global Warming has got to be one of the dumbest monikers that mankind has ever come up with. Now anytime somebody suggests that our actions have any environmental impact someone else points out that we've had a cold summer/winter which apparently negates the damage which was done. In the end, all the scientific community has done is given most lay people another reason to ignore them completely.

Global Warming is just bad marketing.

catefrances

blueandwhite wrote:

Global Warming has got to be one of the dumbest monikers that mankind has ever come up with. Now anytime somebody suggests that our actions have any environmental impact someone else points out that we've had a cold summer/winter which apparently negates the damage which was done. In the end, all the scientific community has done is given most lay people another reason to ignore them completely.

Global Warming is just bad marketing.

hysteria works.

UpSideDown

blueandwhite wrote:

Global Warming has got to be one of the dumbest monikers that mankind has ever come up with. Now anytime somebody suggests that our actions have any environmental impact someone else points out that we've had a cold summer/winter which apparently negates the damage which was done. In the end, all the scientific community has done is given most lay people another reason to ignore them completely.

Global Warming is just bad marketing.

"Where's all this global warming" or "where's global warming when you need it".............. God I hate when people say that. Not because of their inaccuracy, but more because it's just annoying. By the end of winter I have to resist the urge to just punch them square in the face.

catefrances

UpSideDown wrote:

blueandwhite wrote:

Global Warming has got to be one of the dumbest monikers that mankind has ever come up with. Now anytime somebody suggests that our actions have any environmental impact someone else points out that we've had a cold summer/winter which apparently negates the damage which was done. In the end, all the scientific community has done is given most lay people another reason to ignore them completely.

Global Warming is just bad marketing.

"Where's all this global warming" or "where's global warming when you need it".............. God I hate when people say that. Not because of their inaccuracy, but more because it's just annoying. By the end of winter I have to resist the urge to just punch them square in the face.

come spend summer in oz... then youll be punching yourself in the face.

redrock

UpSideDown wrote:

"Where's all this global warming" or "where's global warming when you need it"..

Climate change is the correct term.

Jeanwah

UpSideDown wrote:

"Where's all this global warming" or "where's global warming when you need it".............. God I hate when people say that. Not because of their inaccuracy, but more because it's just annoying. By the end of winter I have to resist the urge to just punch them square in the face.

The term global warming is deceiving...it doesn't actually mean that the weather is warmer than usual. True indications of climate change is erratic weather in general, and that can mean more intense and frequent storms, and temperature extremes which include colder temps than usual.

nuffingman

catefrances wrote:

nuanced... i like that word.

I like it too but I'm not sure what it means. Oh here it is;

nu•ance |ˈn(y)oōˌäns|
noun
a subtle difference in or shade of meaning, expression, or sound : the nuances of facial expression and body language.
verb [ trans. ] (usu. be nuanced)
give nuances to : the effect of the music is nuanced by the social situation of listeners.
ORIGIN late 18th cent.: from French, ‘shade, subtlety,’ from nuer ‘to shade,’ based on Latin nubes ‘cloud.’

I still think we need a bit of global warming around here.

polaris_x

why is that every several months, there are one of these posts ... i mean - can people say more ignorant things?

forgive the candor but you skeptics are talking our of your ass ... how many have died in pakistan this year? ... mudslides and floods are ravaging china ... every day you can pretty much read up on an extreme weather event somewhere in the world ...

the science is very clear on this subject ... do yourself a favour and read up on it instead of reading from people who have agendas or have not educated themselves on the subject ...

although global warming does confuse people ... it only confuses people who won't bother to educate themselves ... the world IS WARMING ... look at the records of the last 20 years ... all the warmest years on record are in the past 2 decades ... just because one experiences a cold spell - doesn't mean the world isn't warming ... Climate Change is the immediate consequence of Global Warming ...

:shock:

cajunkiwi

UpSideDown wrote:

blueandwhite wrote:

Global Warming has got to be one of the dumbest monikers that mankind has ever come up with. Now anytime somebody suggests that our actions have any environmental impact someone else points out that we've had a cold summer/winter which apparently negates the damage which was done. In the end, all the scientific community has done is given most lay people another reason to ignore them completely.

Global Warming is just bad marketing.

"Where's all this global warming" or "where's global warming when you need it".............. God I hate when people say that. Not because of their inaccuracy, but more because it's just annoying. By the end of winter I have to resist the urge to just punch them square in the face.

Every single winter, without fail, here in Louisiana I have to listen to my father-in-law rail on about "where's your global warming now, you idiot?"

Then every summer, when climatologists are talking about record heatwaves and the decade being the warmest on record (topping the 90s, the previous warmest on record, which beat the 80s, then the warmest on record), it's back to blaming Obama for the world's ills. Like a stuck record.

LikeAnOcean

polaris_x wrote:

why is that every several months, there are one of these posts ... i mean - can people say more ignorant things?

forgive the candor but you skeptics are talking our of your ass ... how many have died in pakistan this year? ... mudslides and floods are ravaging china ... every day you can pretty much read up on an extreme weather event somewhere in the world ...

the science is very clear on this subject ... do yourself a favour and read up on it instead of reading from people who have agendas or have not educated themselves on the subject ...

although global warming does confuse people ... it only confuses people who won't bother to educate themselves ... the world IS WARMING ... look at the records of the last 20 years ... all the warmest years on record are in the past 2 decades ... just because one experiences a cold spell - doesn't mean the world isn't warming ... Climate Change is the immediate consequence of Global Warming ...

:shock:

You really can't point at specific weather incidents and pin it to global warming. There's always been extreme and unusual weather that found ways to kill us even before our numbers reached the billions. Maybe it happens more frequently now, but we are also more frequently populating the earth. Climate change is something that happens over decades, and honestly, I don't think more carbon dioxide in the air is the problem. There was once much more in the air... but I won't argue that we aren't causing it. Like I mentioned earlier, I think the problem has more to do with our extreme population numbers.

You can't argue 7 billion people can avoid altering a planet that evolved to support our numbers naturally in the hundreds of thousands, I don't care how green we get.

JS81606

polaris_x wrote:

why is that every several months, there are one of these posts ... i mean - can people say more ignorant things?

forgive the candor but you skeptics are talking our of your ass ... how many have died in pakistan this year? ... mudslides and floods are ravaging china ... every day you can pretty much read up on an extreme weather event somewhere in the world ...

the science is very clear on this subject ... do yourself a favour and read up on it instead of reading from people who have agendas or have not educated themselves on the subject ...

although global warming does confuse people ... it only confuses people who won't bother to educate themselves ... the world IS WARMING ... look at the records of the last 20 years ... all the warmest years on record are in the past 2 decades ... just because one experiences a cold spell - doesn't mean the world isn't warming ... Climate Change is the immediate consequence of Global Warming ...

Back in the 70's, scientist were running around screaming that the world was "cooling" too fast. Now it is warming? Maybe it is just a balance. As far as unusual weather incidents, history if filled with mystifying experiences our great adventurers ran into and recorded. Nothing is changing that drastically that I have to alter what I do and how I behave. Science is only as good as the person inputting the info into the system, and that system is run and supported by those who want to find a certain finding. Al comes to mind...complete moron and he convinced others to jump on his bandwagon. sad, truly sad.

:shock:

haffajappa

Oh yes, "global warming" has been disproved!
Can I go idle my hummer in peace now?
Well actually in fact I don't chose to believe in climate change anyways, makes me feel better about the damage I do.








Because ignoring every other facet of our environmental problems also goes hand in hand with taking sides in the "global warming" debate. :roll:

Commy

pick a side on this issue. if you are wrong on the right, we all die.

if you are wrong on the left, we still have a cleaner planet.


i'd rather do what we can on the off chance all of those very smart scientist that have dedicated their lives to this research might be right, rather than ignore them and face extinction.

catefrances

Commy wrote:

pick a side on this issue. if you are wrong on the right, we all die.

if you are wrong on the left, we still have a cleaner planet.


i'd rather do what we can on the off chance all of those very smart scientist that have dedicated their lives to this research might be right, rather than ignore them and face extinction.

oh were facing extinction anyway... its just a matter of time.

Commy

catefrances wrote:

Commy wrote:

pick a side on this issue. if you are wrong on the right, we all die.

if you are wrong on the left, we still have a cleaner planet.


i'd rather do what we can on the off chance all of those very smart scientist that have dedicated their lives to this research might be right, rather than ignore them and face extinction.

oh were facing extinction anyway... its just a matter of time.

its like the guy who actually tried to live like there was no tomorrow. he told his boss to fuck off, spent his bank account on beer and partying and woke up the next day homeless, hungover, and in jail.



sure, we're all gonna die, might as well make the most of it-intelligently.

haffajappa

Commy wrote:

pick a side on this issue. if you are wrong on the right, we all die.

if you are wrong on the left, we still have a cleaner planet.


i'd rather do what we can on the off chance all of those very smart scientist that have dedicated their lives to this research might be right, rather than ignore them and face extinction.

obviously i'm on a side...

i am just sick of people acting like, oh, well I don't believe in global warming, therefore I don't have to be responsible.

polaris_x

LikeAnOcean wrote:

You really can't point at specific weather incidents and pin it to global warming. There's always been extreme and unusual weather that found ways to kill us even before our numbers reached the billions. Maybe it happens more frequently now, but we are also more frequently populating the earth. Climate change is something that happens over decades, and honestly, I don't think more carbon dioxide in the air is the problem. There was once much more in the air... but I won't argue that we aren't causing it. Like I mentioned earlier, I think the problem has more to do with our extreme population numbers.

You can't argue 7 billion people can avoid altering a planet that evolved to support our numbers naturally in the hundreds of thousands, I don't care how green we get.

uhhh ... again - i respectfully ask you to educate yourself on the science because what you are saying is arguing the world is flat ...