Four Israelis killed in shooting attack near Hebron

Commy

if some guy started building a house in my backyard and started murdering my neighbors and stealing my water, i'm not making any promises but ther'e a good chance that guy wouldn't be around for too long.



defending their homes from invasion, isn't that what guns are for anyway? to protect your home?


considering this is a siege state, one people surrounded by an ever encroaching army.....sometimes Israel takes just a little too much. and they pay the price . the Israelis that were killed had to have known that stealing Palestinian land in this area was dangerous.

redrock

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

.... they are "patriotic" and believe they are entitled to that land.

There was an interview on TV this morning. When asked if they would continue building settlements on 'this land', the guy said of course, the land was rightly theirs (due to some biblical mention....). Also mentioned that palestinians shouldn't be there. Asked where these 2+million people should then go, the guy said well... there is Jordan. So it would seem there is no qualm about displacing a whole population for more land grabbing. Israel should abide by international law and go back to their borders and illegal settlers go back to Israel. Should israelis decide to live in Palestine because they like it, so be it. But as part of the population - no destroying homes and orchards to build their own house, no diverting of resources, no armed protection blocking off roads, etc. Just like someone deciding to live in another country, abiding by their rules and laws - integrating. Don't really think they would want that.

Commy

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

you have to realize you are there illegally and might make yourself a target. am i right?

that's the bottom line.




they had to have known what they were doing , ya ya myabe they were god's will, iun their twisted world, but also had to have known that what they were doing was insanity, being on th front line of a siege, whith 2 very pissed off parties involved. violence could almost be guaranteed in these cases, sadly, but really.



i wonder when it hit them that stealing land from oppressed palestinians might not be such a good idea?

OutOfBreath

*Groan* such childish bullshit these people are capable of.

"We're not allowed to discuss peace, alright, we'll go and shoot some people to start some trouble. Then they will have to include us next time". WTF?

But if we're ever going to get anywhere, we have to start actually ignoring such retaliation/stirring up bullshit attacks and call it for what it is. From both sides mind you. I hope Hamas wisens up and see that this here does not help them at all.

But I suppose now, within a week or two, we'll have some bombings of Gaza or something as Israel plays it's part in the childish tit for tat... (which is THE major reason this keeps going on)

Peace
Dan

Commy

the whole relationship reminds me of schoolyard. the buillies pickin on the nobodies.....and it went forever, until one day the somebodeie recognized what is was the nobodied had something to offer. like on of the nobodies wha a cool guy, and ecerythying camne crumblking down qround tem


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redrock

Commy wrote:

we aklk ahve giid poeoikem every race cikir c4reedm peeace is possible, if only these individuaLS SPEAK,

You've been smoking too much of that local stuff???

Commy

redrock wrote:

Commy wrote:

we aklk ahve giid poeoikem every race cikir c4reedm peeace is possible, if only these individuaLS SPEAK,

You've been smoking too much of that local stuff???

SO SURE I WAS ITNELIGIBLE


COOD STOY TOO.

Commy

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rafie

Many here are surprised by this attack saying things like "don't Hammas realize the bad timing?"
That is what this all boils down too. People here need to understand that Hammas is not interested in peace with Israel on any terms. The official charter of the Hammas states clearly that their goal is the destruction of Israel completely.

To the more extreme anti-Israeli members who post here and are convinced that Israel is not interested in real peace, do you really believe that Hammas wants peace and is doing everything they can to help the Palestinian people. Because if you do, let me have some of what ever you have been smoking!

fuck

rafie wrote:

Many here are surprised by this attack saying things like "don't Hammas realize the bad timing?"
That is what this all boils down too. People here need to understand that Hammas is not interested in peace with Israel on any terms. The official charter of the Hammas states clearly that their goal is the destruction of Israel completely.

To the more extreme anti-Israeli members who post here and are convinced that Israel is not interested in real peace, do you really believe that Hammas wants peace and is doing everything they can to help the Palestinian people. Because if you do, let me have some of what ever you have been smoking!

Hamas is nothing more than a by-product of continued Israeli occupation and oppression. If Israel wants support for them to stop then Israel should quit forcing the Palestinians to support the only legitimate Palestinian resistance group by abiding by international law and giving Palestinians equal rights. Unfortunately this it refuses to do and it's apparent that Israel is not interested in any peace on equal terms, only on their own terms which the Palestinians will never accept. Atleast Hamas has called for a two-state solution on the '67 borders, a solution that has the support of the entire world. What has Israel offered besides more Jewish-only settlements in East Jerusalem and the West Bank, a continued illegal and oppressive blockade against the 1.5 million residents of Gaza, among the horrendous treatment of Palestinians throughout the West Bank through the use of checkpoints, cutting off water and natural resources to villages, and arresting civilian Palestinians on a daily basis, and throughout Israel-proper where institutionalized racial discrimination is practiced against the minority Palestinian population in a manner astonishingly similar to apartheid?

catefrances

rafie wrote:

Many here are surprised by this attack saying things like "don't Hammas realize the bad timing?"
That is what this all boils down too. People here need to understand that Hammas is not interested in peace with Israel on any terms. The official charter of the Hammas states clearly that their goal is the destruction of Israel completely.

To the more extreme anti-Israeli members who post here and are convinced that Israel is not interested in real peace, do you really believe that Hammas wants peace and is doing everything they can to help the Palestinian people. Because if you do, let me have some of what ever you have been smoking!

if israel were interested in real peace gaza and the west bank, as they are now, wouldnt exist.

OutOfBreath

rafie wrote:

Many here are surprised by this attack saying things like "don't Hammas realize the bad timing?"
That is what this all boils down too. People here need to understand that Hammas is not interested in peace with Israel on any terms. The official charter of the Hammas states clearly that their goal is the destruction of Israel completely.

To the more extreme anti-Israeli members who post here and are convinced that Israel is not interested in real peace, do you really believe that Hammas wants peace and is doing everything they can to help the Palestinian people. Because if you do, let me have some of what ever you have been smoking!

Oh Hamas knows exactly how "bad" the timing is. It seems like a deliberate "fuck you!" aimed at them not being let in on the peace talks. They'll likely do more stuff to demonstrate that they can't be ignored on the matter. They might be right about that too, actually.

As for the will to peace, all parties want a peace on their terms. Not until all parties realize that insisting on their own terms means continued conflict, and what is needed is something that all of them are dissatisfied with will there be any progress. Israel must cut loose a lot of their settlers. Hamas must accept Israel's existence (although they dont have to like it). And so on and so forth. As it stands, several parties on various sides find more advantage in a continued conflict of sorts than not getting the peace on their terms.

Peace
Dan

catefrances

OutOfBreath wrote:

rafie wrote:

Many here are surprised by this attack saying things like "don't Hammas realize the bad timing?"
That is what this all boils down too. People here need to understand that Hammas is not interested in peace with Israel on any terms. The official charter of the Hammas states clearly that their goal is the destruction of Israel completely.

To the more extreme anti-Israeli members who post here and are convinced that Israel is not interested in real peace, do you really believe that Hammas wants peace and is doing everything they can to help the Palestinian people. Because if you do, let me have some of what ever you have been smoking!

Oh Hamas knows exactly how "bad" the timing is. It seems like a deliberate "fuck you!" aimed at them not being let in on the peace talks. They'll likely do more stuff to demonstrate that they can't be ignored on the matter. They might be right about that too, actually.

As for the will to peace, all parties want a peace on their terms. Not until all parties realize that insisting on their own terms means continued conflict, and what is needed is something that all of them are dissatisfied with will there be any progress. Israel must cut loose a lot of their settlers. Hamas must accept Israel's existence (although they dont have to like it). And so on and so forth. As it stands, several parties on various sides find more advantage in a continued conflict of sorts than not getting the peace on their terms.

Peace
Dan

or maybe dan, hamas knows exactly how the 'peace' talks will go and thought fuck it damned if we do damned if we dont. *shrugs*

fife

TriumphantAngel wrote:

i strongly disagree with the actions of the Israel, and could never applaud or turn a blind eye to the murder of innocent people.

can we please not forget that the people of Gaza and the West Bank, for the most, are just ordinary human beings who deserve to be treated so much better than they are. please don't let the actions of a few obscure that fact.

I think what we should say is "let's not forget that the people of Gaza and isreal" are just ordinary people being used by their respective government.

polaris_x

again ... hamas is israel's best friend now ... if israel refuses to a) end the siege in gaza b) stop expanding and c) control the violent setllers ... this is going to be a consequence ... you can't continue to do the things israel does on a daily basis and not expect reprisals ... it's quite simple ...

OutOfBreath

catefrances wrote:

or maybe dan, hamas knows exactly how the 'peace' talks will go and thought fuck it damned if we do damned if we dont. *shrugs*

Well, the timing suggests it's a "fuck you" and a show of force to remind everyone that they're still around. I imagine they are pissed about being left out of the talks. As for the talks, I don't think anyone is unduly excited. But Hamas feels like making a point about the illegitimacy of the talks with them not being there.

So, I'm still inclined to the "fuck you" theory here.

Peace
Dan

catefrances

OutOfBreath wrote:

catefrances wrote:

or maybe dan, hamas knows exactly how the 'peace' talks will go and thought fuck it damned if we do damned if we dont. *shrugs*

Well, the timing suggests it's a "fuck you" and a show of force to remind everyone that they're still around. I imagine they are pissed about being left out of the talks. As for the talks, I don't think anyone is unduly excited. But Hamas feels like making a point about the illegitimacy of the talks with them not being there.

So, I'm still inclined to the "fuck you" theory here.

Peace
Dan

well a fuck you can be incorporated in my damned if we do/dont scenario. but tbh they are their peoples worst enemy at times.

fife

polaris_x wrote:

again ... hamas is israel's best friend now ... if israel refuses to a) end the siege in gaza b) stop expanding and c) control the violent setllers ... this is going to be a consequence ... you can't continue to do the things israel does on a daily basis and not expect reprisals ... it's quite simple ...

the sad part of all of this is that the last line can be switched to "you can't continue to do the things that Pal. does on a daily basis and not expect reprisals ... its quite simple"

TriumphantAngel

fife wrote:

polaris_x wrote:

again ... hamas is israel's best friend now ... if israel refuses to a) end the siege in gaza b) stop expanding and c) control the violent setllers ... this is going to be a consequence ... you can't continue to do the things israel does on a daily basis and not expect reprisals ... it's quite simple ...

the sad part of all of this is that the last line can be switched to "you can't continue to do the things that Pal. does on a daily basis and not expect reprisals ... its quite simple"

what do the Palestinians do on a daily basis?

educate yourself. it's far from simple.

even flow - question mark

rafie wrote:

The news here has reported that Hammas has taken responsibility for this attack.

I would like to see the anti-Israel folk here defend this attack and still claim that Hammas should be part of the peace talks starting tomorrow. Wake up people!

Not about to defend it, but, would it be better if the shooters had military uniforms on and were doing it under the guise of homeland security. Anyway, that neck of the woods could drop off from the face of the earth and my life would be just fine.