Four Israelis killed in shooting attack near Hebron

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  • michelleelise
    michelleelise Posts: 346
    I think some are making the mistake of believing that Hamas cares about the Palestinians. The Palestinians are pawns to them. I really wish they'd never been elected. I don't hold out much hope for peace talks as long as the Palestinians are divided between Fatah and Hamas.
  • TriumphantAngel
    TriumphantAngel Posts: 1,760
    michelle822 wrote:
    I think some are making the mistake of believing that Hamas cares about the Palestinians. The Palestinians are pawns to them. I really wish they'd never been elected. I don't hold out much hope for peace talks as long as the Palestinians are divided between Fatah and Hamas.
    then isn't it just as well there are people willing to speak out about against Israel's cruel and inhumane treatment of the Palestinian people considering Hamas doesn't care.

    Israel doesn't care about those ordinary Palestinians either or they would cease with the expansion of settlements and end the occupation.

    Hamas doesn't care. Hamas is Israels best friend. all they are doing is giving Israel the excuse to keep acting in a way that we all know is wrong.
  • rebornFixer
    rebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    This is a perfect example of how terrorists sway political decisions using violence. These people carry out an attack, knowing full well that they will provoke a massive retaliatory response that will only reinforce their agenda. The world would be a better place if these people were scoured from the face of it, but there's no way to do that at this point, and the correct response on the part of the Israelis is to do nothing but stick to a peace agenda, assuming they are truly interested in such. They often do not appear to be truly interested in peace, though, at least certain elements. In any case, Hamas gets stronger every time Palestinian civilians are killed. That's what they want, and Israel needs to stop taking the goddamn bait.
  • TriumphantAngel
    TriumphantAngel Posts: 1,760
    rebornFixer wrote:
    This is a perfect example of how terrorists sway political decisions using violence. These people carry out an attack, knowing full well that they will provoke a massive retaliatory response that will only reinforce their agenda. The world would be a better place if these people were scoured from the face of it, but there's no way to do that at this point, and the correct response on the part of the Israelis is to do nothing but stick to a peace agenda, assuming they are truly interested in such. They often do not appear to be truly interested in peace, though, at least certain elements. In any case, Hamas gets stronger every time Palestinian civilians are killed. That's what they want, and Israel needs to stop taking the goddamn bait.
    the world would be a better place if Israel ended the occupation.

    and are you saying that Israel is interested in peace? really?
  • rebornFixer
    rebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    TriumphantAngel wrote:
    the world would be a better place if Israel ended the occupation.

    and are you saying that Israel is interested in peace? really?

    It won't kill you to concede that I have a point, I swear. Your yourself said you're no Hamas fan. But for the record, I agree 100%. The world would be a better place if Israel withdrew to pre-1967 borders.
  • TriumphantAngel
    TriumphantAngel Posts: 1,760
    rebornFixer wrote:
    TriumphantAngel wrote:
    the world would be a better place if Israel ended the occupation.

    and are you saying that Israel is interested in peace? really?

    It won't kill you to concede that I have a point, I swear. Your yourself said you're no Hamas fan. But for the record, I agree 100%. The world would be a better place if Israel withdrew to pre-1967 borders.
    i don't see innocent people dying as "points" whether they be Israeli or Palestinians.
  • rebornFixer
    rebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    TriumphantAngel wrote:

    It won't kill you to concede that I have a point, I swear. Your yourself said you're no Hamas fan. But for the record, I agree 100%. The world would be a better place if Israel withdrew to pre-1967 borders.
    i don't see innocent people dying as "points" whether they be Israeli or Palestinians.[/quote

    You're right, making points on a message board really doesn't capture the reality of the situation. What's your post count at, again?
  • TriumphantAngel
    TriumphantAngel Posts: 1,760
    rebornFixer wrote:
    TriumphantAngel wrote:

    It won't kill you to concede that I have a point, I swear. Your yourself said you're no Hamas fan. But for the record, I agree 100%. The world would be a better place if Israel withdrew to pre-1967 borders.
    i don't see innocent people dying as "points" whether they be Israeli or Palestinians.

    You're right, making points on a message board really doesn't capture the reality of the situation. What's your post count at, again?[/quote]
    meaning?
  • rebornFixer
    rebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    TriumphantAngel wrote:
    meaning?

    Not sure what your "point" comment was even about.
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    rebornFixer wrote:
    This is a perfect example of how terrorists sway political decisions using violence. These people carry out an attack, knowing full well that they will provoke a massive retaliatory response that will only reinforce their agenda. The world would be a better place if these people were scoured from the face of it, but there's no way to do that at this point, and the correct response on the part of the Israelis is to do nothing but stick to a peace agenda, assuming they are truly interested in such. They often do not appear to be truly interested in peace, though, at least certain elements. In any case, Hamas gets stronger every time Palestinian civilians are killed. That's what they want, and Israel needs to stop taking the goddamn bait.

    think about this. ^^^

    why is hamas in the position to 'get stronger' in the first place??

    i see nothing magnanimous in israel not taking the bait and responding as they always do.
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  • TriumphantAngel
    TriumphantAngel Posts: 1,760
    rebornFixer wrote:
    TriumphantAngel wrote:
    meaning?

    Not sure what your "point" comment was even about.
    your comment when you said 'it won't kill me to concede you have a point....


    i didn't say i didn't agree with you, just keeping you honest. you only told one side of the story.
  • rebornFixer
    rebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    catefrances wrote:

    i see nothing magnanimous in israel not taking the bait and responding as they always do.

    I am not trying to celebrate Israel's actions, which is itself a super-loathsome notion, apparently. The irony here is that I am basically arguing in favor of fewer Palestinian deaths, and people are on some level taking issue with what I said. I meant it to be taken literally: More Palestinian deaths = more terrorism in the form of Hamas and similar groups.
  • rebornFixer
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    TriumphantAngel wrote:


    i didn't say i didn't agree with you, just keeping you honest. you only told one side of the story.

    Fair enough. Hope you are well, by the way.
  • TriumphantAngel
    TriumphantAngel Posts: 1,760
    rebornFixer wrote:
    This is a perfect example of how terrorists sway political decisions using violence. These people carry out an attack, knowing full well that they will provoke a massive retaliatory response that will only reinforce their agenda. The world would be a better place if these people were scoured from the face of it, but there's no way to do that at this point, and the correct response on the part of the Israelis is to do nothing but stick to a peace agenda, assuming they are truly interested in such. They often do not appear to be truly interested in peace, though, at least certain elements. In any case, Hamas gets stronger every time Palestinian civilians are killed. That's what they want, and Israel needs to stop taking the goddamn bait.
    to be fair, reading this again, i think i misread this initially. you didn't say Israel is truly interested in peace.

    i apologize for that.
  • rebornFixer
    rebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    TriumphantAngel wrote:
    to be fair, reading this again, i think i misread this initially. you didn't say Israel is truly interested in peace.

    i apologize for that.

    Its all good ... I should know by now that you're going to keep me honest. ;)
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    rebornFixer wrote:
    catefrances wrote:

    i see nothing magnanimous in israel not taking the bait and responding as they always do.

    I am not trying to celebrate Israel's actions, which is itself a super-loathsome notion, apparently. The irony here is that I am basically arguing in favor of fewer Palestinian deaths, and people are on some level taking issue with what I said. I meant it to be taken literally: More Palestinian deaths = more terrorism in the form of Hamas and similar groups.

    i didnt think you were. but yes it is a loathsome notion to celebrate any violence, theres no apparently about it.

    less palestinian deaths will only come when israel removes its oppressive framework from ALL of israel... and yes im including the occupied territories(always an ironic term imo) in israel. cause lets be honest it will always be known as israel... and include the palestinians in the any plan for the good of what is their own homeland... just as it is the jews homeland... this seems to get lost in the shuffle.
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  • TriumphantAngel
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    why does Israel offer incentives, and encourage settlers to move to settlements in the West Bank that are illegal under international law?
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,431
    TriumphantAngel wrote:
    why does Israel offer incentives, and encourage settlers to move to settlements in the West Bank that are illegal under international law?
    it is wrong, but they do it because they can get away with it. who is going to hold them accountable for breaking international law? the US? UK? Egypt? Russia? international law does not stop countries with powerful militaries like the US, Israel, etc...unfortunately if you have a big military, you make the rules or select the ones you will abide by..
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  • TriumphantAngel
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    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    TriumphantAngel wrote:
    why does Israel offer incentives, and encourage settlers to move to settlements in the West Bank that are illegal under international law?
    it is wrong, but they do it because they can get away with it. who is going to hold them accountable for breaking international law? the US? UK? Egypt? Russia? international law does not stop countries with powerful militaries like the US, Israel, etc...unfortunately if you have a big military, you make the rules or select the ones you will abide by..

    well Israel's people should hold them accountable.

    because sadly there is 4 dead people who shouldn't have ever been there in the first place.
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,431
    TriumphantAngel wrote:
    well Israel's people should hold them accountable.

    because sadly there is 4 dead people who shouldn't have ever been there in the first place.
    i agree with you. but those people are "ultranationalists" according to all of the reports i have read. that would be like moderates and liberals here in the us trying to reign in the teabaggers and tell them what they can and can't do such as threatening to secede from the union like texas did a few months ago. those "ultranationalists" are going to do as they please. they are "patriotic" and believe they are entitled to that land. what kind of a person do you have to be to live in a heavily fortified area of 500 hardliners knowing you are surrounded by 500,000 palestinians? you have to realize you are there illegally and might make yourself a target. am i right?
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."

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