Pearl Jam Fans' Music Critic Roleplay. (Be Honest)

Igottago

Wow...finally people are starting to see Avocado for what it is..Pearl Jam's worst album, by far. They rehashed old riff's, and made un utterly generic album by their standards. This album is what Nickelback would have made had they tried to make a Pearl Jam record.

At least Binaural and Riot Act had their own character, seemed to be somewhat experimental and had exploration in some regards. With Avacado they used the "Pearl Jam record template" and just phoned it in. I mean, they didn't even name the bloody record for fuck sakes. I say they stop concentrating on letting drummers write songs, letting guitarists write horrible lyrics, and start focusing on their strengths again. Another album like this and Pearl Jam will become the worst thing a band can become...boring and predictable. Heck an album of organ songs would've been more interesting than Avocado is.

Evacuation Rules

Igottago wrote:

I say they stop concentrating on letting drummers write songs.

WRONG. They need MORE Matt Cameron songs because his songs are the most fun and interesting. Unemployable is easily the best song on Avocado. What we need less of is the generic crap Eddie's been writing.

slightofjeff

Good Lord.

I can't believe some of the crap I'm reading on this thread. I know it's all opinion, but holy shit. I couldn't disagree more with most of it.

Igottago

Avocado is a good record for mini van driving soccer mom's who like to think they still rock. For anyone who enjoys creativity and adventure in their music, it will put them to sleeeeeep.

TheGossman

Igottago wrote:

Wow...finally people are starting to see Avocado for what it is..Pearl Jam's worst album, by far. They rehashed old riff's, and made un utterly generic album by their standards. This album is what Nickelback would have made had they tried to make a Pearl Jam record.

At least Binaural and Riot Act had their own character, seemed to be somewhat experimental and had exploration in some regards. With Avacado they used the "Pearl Jam record template" and just phoned it in. I mean, they didn't even name the bloody record for fuck sakes. I say they stop concentrating on letting drummers write songs, letting guitarists write horrible lyrics, and start focusing on their strengths again. Another album like this and Pearl Jam will become the worst thing a band can become...boring and predictable. Heck an album of organ songs would've been more interesting than Avocado is.

that nickelback reference was uncalled for, seriously, this is why I stay away from the board nowadays, stupid fucks like yourself

LONGRD

slightofjeff wrote:

Good Lord.

I can't believe some of the crap I'm reading on this thread. I know it's all opinion, but holy shit. I couldn't disagree more with most of it.

Come on Jeff, stop thinking like a fanboy. Man up and demand better music, dammit!

Think more from a music critic or better yet a record executive's point of view.

If I was the head honco of J records or Epic I would not approve their recent crap. I would work them like slaves to make great quality music as they used to put out.

LONGRD

TheGossman wrote:

that nickelback reference was uncalled for, seriously, this is why I stay away from the board nowadays, stupid fucks like yourself

OK the 5back comparison was a little harsh but no need to rant on members and call them names.

It's okay to rant to PJ, just so they can stop slacking.

Igottago

TheGossman wrote:

that nickelback reference was uncalled for, seriously, this is why I stay away from the board nowadays, stupid fucks like yourself

lol..it was an exaggeration not meant to be taken seriously..you are that easily offended when people say something slightly critical towards Pearl Jam? I'm a stupid fuck because I didn't like Avocado? Maybe you should get a fuckin' life and not be so offended when someone critique's something you like.

Or, since you're not a stupid fuck, why don't you prove me wrong about Avocado. Dickhead.

UpSideDown

LongRd. wrote:

I Just Realized That Pearl Jam Hasn't Made A Good Album In Ten Years.



No Code had a new sound, somewhat cultural flavor to it. Personally, it's my second favorite album. Even without a signature single, it's still an amazing album in its own right. Receives 8/10 due to the lack of sales.

You lost all credibility by rating an album by sales figures..........

I couldn't disagree more with some of this shit.


Are you really telling the band how to do their own music? Why are you even a fan anymore if you cant appreciate it?

Every single album has explored new areas and been refreshing to me.


Probably one of the people who stands in the front row and doesnt move.

Igottago

Corey Erven wrote:

Probably one of the people who stands in the front row and doesnt move.

Yeah we get it, you are the ultimate Pearl Jam fan because you tap your foot and you love every single record. Hopefully the band sends you some kind of medal or something, because clearly you've earned it.

TheGossman

Igottago wrote:

lol..it was an exaggeration not meant to be taken seriously..you are that easily offended when people say something slightly critical towards Pearl Jam? I'm a stupid fuck because I didn't like Avocado? Maybe you should get a fuckin' life and not be so offended when someone critique's something you like.

Or, since you're not a stupid fuck, why don't you prove me wrong about Avocado. Dickhead.

First off I didn't mean to come off so harsh, I'm having a really shit day, and I just REALLY hate Nickelback. I'm a musician myself, and I still think that Stone and Mike create amazing riffs and ideas even though they've been a band for close to 20 years, and they keep it fresh. Unlike all these bands that have played for 15-20 years, like Bon Jovi, or Motley Crue, or even U2, I just don't expect alot when any of these bands put out new records cause I know its just gonna recycled cock rock. PJ has 5 songwriters and everyone brings in songs. On avacado they used capos on their guitars for the very first time, and Eddie finally came to life.

LONGRD

Corey Erven wrote:

You lost all credibility by rating an album by sales figures..........

1) I couldn't disagree more with some of this shit.


2) Are you really telling the band how to do their own music? Why are you even a fan anymore if you cant appreciate it?

Every single album has explored new areas and been refreshing to me.


3) Probably one of the people who stands in the front row and doesnt move.

1) Got me there with the record sales thing remark. But I do think singles/marketing/promoting (major contributor of record sales) have a lot to do with how the overall album's value turns out to be.

2) You like all their stuff, that's fine to think...
...in a fanboy way. I pay hard earn money for their releases and I think I have the rights to criticize them if I think the production is being poorly produced.

3) Again, no need to bash members.

TheGossman

LongRd. wrote:

1) Got me there with the record sales thing remark. But I do think singles/marketing/promoting (major contributor of record sales) have a lot to do with how the overall album's value turns out to be.

2) You like all their stuff, that's fine to think...
...in a fanboy way. I pay hard earn money for their releases and I think I have the rights to criticize them if I think the production is being poorly produced.

3) Again, no need to bash members.

as much as we all respect your opinion, sometimes I just wish everyone on this board would keep the bashing of the albums to thereselves, because it just causes conflict

Igottago

TheGossman wrote:

First off I didn't mean to come off so harsh, I'm having a really shit day, and I just REALLY hate Nickelback. I'm a musician myself, and I still think that Stone and Mike create amazing riffs and ideas even though they've been a band for close to 20 years, and they keep it fresh. Unlike all these bands that have played for 15-20 years, like Bon Jovi, or Motley Crue, or even U2, I just don't expect alot when any of these bands put out new records cause I know its just gonna recycled cock rock. PJ has 5 songwriters and everyone brings in songs. On avacado they used capos on their guitars for the very first time, and Eddie finally came to life.

Dude..we agree..I fucking hate Nickelback. But I was just really disappointed with Avocado...and the longer it goes, the more disappointed I am in it. It strikes me as Pearl Jam's Bon Jovi record..and believe me, that pains me to say. I have a lot of respect for this band, but I'm also gonna call them on it when I think they've fallen short artistically. There is no blind faith on my part.

And obviously people disagree with me...I just don't like it when people act like PJ are beyond any criticism, like we should just blindly accept everything as great.

UpSideDown

Igottago wrote:

Yeah we get it, you are the ultimate Pearl Jam fan because you tap your foot and you love every single record. Hopefully the band sends you some kind of medal or something, because clearly you've earned it.

It is just something i will never understand.........

I dont love every song. However, if you truly love what the band does, then I think it extremely easy to find something enjoyable in each album.

meme

Igottago wrote:

Avocado is a good record for mini van driving soccer mom's who like to think they still rock. For anyone who enjoys creativity and adventure in their music, it will put them to sleeeeeep.

I LOVE Avocado!


















Then again I'm a mini van driving soccer mom who still thinks she rocks

simpleman

LongRd. wrote:

What more do you need? I said I can tolerate listening to Binaural and Riot Act, they have more average/good songs than terrible ones.

OK my defends for how shitty Avocado is. Well, Comatose, Severed Hand, Marker in the Sand are bad songs and especially when they're place back-to-back like that. They have NO melody what soever. I'll add Big Waves, WR, and AR too, they're just terrible.

Two major reason for their recent quality decline. One is Eddie's love of "punk." I don't how people can listen to the Ramones, Dead Kennedys, Sex Pistals at all. There is NO rhythm and melody to punk music what soever.

Second reason for the decline is Eddie's voice. His voice is getting worse and worse every album. I can't understand a words he says in alot of the songs in RA and PJ.

Punk sound and Eddie's voice are killing the quality of PJ.

I don't think Ed's voice is declining... ITW is a nice example. They continue to go in different directions, and that's o.k.. I have never liked every song on every disc... I guarantee no one here does. To criticize punk is fine, but the bands you named, maybe you need another listen. I like threads like this, but understand, no one is right and no one is wrong.

TheGossman

Igottago wrote:

Dude..we agree..I fucking hate Nickelback. But I was just really disappointed with Avocado...and the longer it goes, the more disappointed I am in it. It strikes me as Pearl Jam's Bon Jovi record..and believe me, that pains me to say. I have a lot of respect for this band, but I'm also gonna call them on it when I think they've fallen short artistically. There is no blind faith on my part.

And obviously people disagree with me...I just don't like it when people act like PJ are beyond any criticism, like we should just blindly accept everything as great.

hell no, I'm not one of those people, I didn't really care for Riot Act, but what does it for me are the live shows, seeing the songs performed are a totally different thing, I'm not one of those people that think PJ can do no wrong. I'm not one of those people who say. PJ is not a studio band,they don't sound good in the studio, the live shows bring the song to life. Kinda like....dare I say....Dave Matthews Band.

zootown

LongRd. wrote:

What more do you need? I said I can tolerate listening to Binaural and Riot Act, they have more average/good songs than terrible ones.

OK my defends for how shitty Avocado is. Well, Comatose, Severed Hand, Marker in the Sand are bad songs and especially when they're place back-to-back like that. They have NO melody what soever. I'll add Big Waves, WR, and AR too, they're just terrible.

Two major reason for their recent quality decline. One is Eddie's love of "punk." I don't how people can listen to the Ramones, Dead Kennedys, Sex Pistals at all. There is NO rhythm and melody to punk music what soever.

Second reason for the decline is Eddie's voice. His voice is getting worse and worse every album. I can't understand a words he says in alot of the songs in RA and PJ.

Punk sound and Eddie's voice are killing the quality of PJ.

Oh, I get it I think. You are person that believes that because you personally dont like something (like punk music) than that makes it inherently bad. Is that it? Because I am still unclear about how any point you make has anything to do with the integrity or the quality of the music. Do you really think Dee Dee Ramone or Johnny Rotten could give two fucks about melody and rhythm? They made groundbreaking, original music that was a direct expression of their personal experiences and views of this world. This is art, and the artists ability to write music or paint or sculpt or act according to their own true feelings and thoughts is what qualifies art as "good" or "bad".. Art becomes increasingly diminished in quality when it begins to be made according to what consumers want and demand (like yourself...)

LONGRD

TheGossman wrote:

as much as we all respect your opinion, sometimes I just wish everyone on this board would keep the bashing of the albums to thereselves, because it just causes conflict

Corey Erven wrote:

It is just something i will never understand.........

I dont love every song. However, if you truly love what the band does, then I think it extremely easy to find something enjoyable in each album.

What is wrong with an honest opinion? An open honest discussion is good for everybody, like Eddie said.

My heart jumps in joy whenever their some new news about them or their solo/side projects. But overtime, I see and observe what's great, good, average or just plain crap, I think it's only fittingly to see if I'm the only one who thinks this way.

I'm sure given more time with Avocado, it might become favorable by way of other fans' views on it. But right now, I hate that album.