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Correlation does not imply causation...Paul David wrote:I am absolutely aghast at the attitude of Heidijam. I'm really quite speechless reading this shit. Let me school you a bit:
For someone to be as ridiculously stupid as to say that bullying is not a big deal needs to be put in that situation for a month, a year, or a fucking decade. Walk a mile. :evil:
Just because you decided to drink does not mean bullying was the cause of this...
My attitude is quite simple, bullying happens everyday in every grade, in every school, and some how people manage to make it out alright. There are some serious cases, some of those kids that do heinous acts will do themeweather you take bullying out of schools or not. What is more dangerious bullys in schools with teacher supervision, or bullies out of schools with no authority or rules. You people seem to think that taking bullying out of schools will solve the problem and it wont. And the reason why bullying will never go away, is because this is how kids show their actions and emitions towards differences. THey are not ADULTS so you can't expect them to act like adults. Its just like when you liked a girl in grade school and you made fun of her. And lets please quit using bullying as a blanket term for anything a kid does that wrong.
And Paul I am not sure how your a schooling me, you gave me a story about how you were bullied and you seem to think that it lead to your drinking and drug abuse??? Just because you did that does not mean its the bullies fault, take some responsibility for your actions. I grew up with out a mom, I don't make up excuses for why i do things because i never had a mom.0 -
Based on my experiences growing up, I did fight back and the bullying stopped. So It does work...gimmesometruth27 wrote:
this kid in the video said it best when he said that "you can't fight back, the minute you do they will do something worse to you" and he is exactly right. i can say that with 100% certainty based on my experiences growing up.
So are you telling kids NOT to fight back and NOT to stick up for themselves??? Thats great advice... All you are doing is giving the bully more and more power when you don't fight back, this starts to change the psych of the child and will eventually start to lead to more serious acts.0 -
your first sentence is completely contradictory. you did not fight back and the bullying stopped and you question and mock me if that is the advice i would give? i have had 14 mma fights in my life so of course im gonna teach my kid to fight so he would never have to experience what i did. i am only re-iterating what the kid who was set ablaze said. if you fight back, especially against multiple bullies, not just one as you are implying in your post, it gets worse. i fought back and ended up in the hospital with 20 stitches in my hand and several more in my face and a broken nose. did you not read what happened to me? you are so far off base in your posts on this subject that nothing you have to say on this topic has any relevence to me.HeidiJam wrote:
Based on my experiences growing up, I did fight back and the bullying stopped. So It does work...gimmesometruth27 wrote:
this kid in the video said it best when he said that "you can't fight back, the minute you do they will do something worse to you" and he is exactly right. i can say that with 100% certainty based on my experiences growing up.
So are you telling kids NOT to fight back and NOT to stick up for themselves??? Thats great advice... All you are doing is giving the bully more and more power when you don't fight back, this starts to change the psych of the child and will eventually start to lead to more serious acts."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0 -
Please explain how I am off base??? Because i had a different experience than you concerning bullying, I am the one off base??? You just said you agree with the kid when he said that "you can not fight backgimmesometruth27 wrote:your first sentence is completely contradictory. you did not fight back and the bullying stopped and you question and mock me if that is the advice i would give? i have had 14 mma fights in my life so of course im gonna teach my kid to fight so he would never have to experience what i did. i am only re-iterating what the kid who was set ablaze said. if you fight back, especially against multiple bullies, not just one as you are implying in your post, it gets worse. i fought back and ended up in the hospital with 20 stitches in my hand and several more in my face and a broken nose. did you not read what happened to me? you are so far off base in your posts on this subject that nothing you have to say on this topic has any relevence to me.
because they will do something worse". so what is your advice??? You agree that you can't fight back but your raising yoru kid to fight back... You sound clueless.0 -
Someone already said it in this thread that every situation will be different and require a different plan of action. I live right near the place where that kid was burned, and I would classify that in a category all to itself. In fact, I would not call it bullying at all. That kid was attacked for revenge and the attackers are facing attempted murder charges. I assume that is an extreme case and rather rare.
There wil always be the standard bullying though because there are too many shitty parents out there that set bad examples. Some victims should fight back and some shouldnt -- it all depends. Of the ones that fight back, some will get their asses kicked and have to deal with it. Others will teach a bully a lesson and that bully will have an eye opening experience.Pick up my debut novel here on amazon: Jonny Bails Floatin (in paperback) (also available on Kindle for $2.99)0 -
how am i clueless when nobody has agreed with a word you have said in this thread, or any other thread for that matter? you are off base because you are constantly downplaying bullying and the effects it has on the victims and implying that because it happens "oh well its just part of life" when there are cases where it is above and beyond being just another part of growing up. did you reply to my post about megan meier? did you even read the links? and how you so brazenly denied the fact that 8% of all kids who are bullied attempt suicide, when you had no evidence to dispute it. i was going to reply to it with a source that said the number was higher than that, but i did not feel like looking for a source for someone that would automatically question it.HeidiJam wrote:
Please explain how I am off base??? Because i had a different experience than you concerning bullying, I am the one off base??? You just said you agree with the kid when he said that "you can not fight backgimmesometruth27 wrote:your first sentence is completely contradictory. you did not fight back and the bullying stopped and you question and mock me if that is the advice i would give? i have had 14 mma fights in my life so of course im gonna teach my kid to fight so he would never have to experience what i did. i am only re-iterating what the kid who was set ablaze said. if you fight back, especially against multiple bullies, not just one as you are implying in your post, it gets worse. i fought back and ended up in the hospital with 20 stitches in my hand and several more in my face and a broken nose. did you not read what happened to me? you are so far off base in your posts on this subject that nothing you have to say on this topic has any relevence to me.
because they will do something worse". so what is your advice??? You agree that you can't fight back but your raising yoru kid to fight back... You sound clueless.
yes i agree with the kid because he was attacked my multiple kids, this is not like nelson, the one and only bully on the simpsons, or fucking o'doyle in billy madison, that if you beat him up he MIGHT change. in many many experiences these bullies run together like a wolfpack, and if you fight one you have to fight them all. many of them do not learn and end up sociopaths and in prison. i will teach my kids about picking their battles. don't do what i did and attack one knowing there were 4 others waiting to roll me. i will teach my kids how to fight without fighting, and if it comes down to fighting they will know how to punch, kick, and submit people."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0 -
Then please, please explain to me how you can stop bullying??? Since ITS THE WAY CHILDREN DEAL WITH DIFFERENCES... Are you that fucking clueless??? Also how confident are you that Bullying and ONLY bullying was the cause of those suicides??? I am willing to be that you can't. There is so much more that goes into suicied, its a joke that you downplay it just to an act of bullying. Read this thread again, there are a few who agree with me, they like me don't want a nation of pussies and where everybody is a winner, and we punish people for hurting my feelings.gimmesometruth27 wrote:how am i clueless when nobody has agreed with a word you have said in this thread, or any other thread for that matter? you are off base because you are constantly downplaying bullying and the effects it has on the victims and implying that because it happens "oh well its just part of life" when there are cases where it is above and beyond being just another part of growing up. did you reply to my post about megan meier? did you even read the links? and how you so brazenly denied the fact that 8% of all kids who are bullied attempt suicide, when you had no evidence to dispute it. i was going to reply to it with a source that said the number was higher than that, but i did not feel like looking for a source for someone that would automatically question it.
yes i agree with the kid because he was attacked my multiple kids, this is not like nelson, the one and only bully on the simpsons, or fucking o'doyle in billy madison, that if you beat him up he MIGHT change. in many many experiences these bullies run together like a wolfpack, and if you fight one you have to fight them all. many of them do not learn and end up sociopaths and in prison. i will teach my kids about picking their battles. don't do what i did and attack one knowing there were 4 others waiting to roll me. i will teach my kids how to fight without fighting, and if it comes down to fighting they will know how to punch, kick, and submit people.0 -
HeidiJam wrote:
Then please, please explain to me how you can stop bullying??? Since ITS THE WAY CHILDREN DEAL WITH DIFFERENCES... Are you that fucking clueless??? Also how confident are you that Bullying and ONLY bullying was the cause of those suicides??? I am willing to be that you can't. There is so much more that goes into suicied, its a joke that you downplay it just to an act of bullying. Read this thread again, there are a few who agree with me, they like me don't want a nation of pussies and where everybody is a winner, and we punish people for hurting my feelings.gimmesometruth27 wrote:how am i clueless when nobody has agreed with a word you have said in this thread, or any other thread for that matter? you are off base because you are constantly downplaying bullying and the effects it has on the victims and implying that because it happens "oh well its just part of life" when there are cases where it is above and beyond being just another part of growing up. did you reply to my post about megan meier? did you even read the links? and how you so brazenly denied the fact that 8% of all kids who are bullied attempt suicide, when you had no evidence to dispute it. i was going to reply to it with a source that said the number was higher than that, but i did not feel like looking for a source for someone that would automatically question it.
yes i agree with the kid because he was attacked my multiple kids, this is not like nelson, the one and only bully on the simpsons, or fucking o'doyle in billy madison, that if you beat him up he MIGHT change. in many many experiences these bullies run together like a wolfpack, and if you fight one you have to fight them all. many of them do not learn and end up sociopaths and in prison. i will teach my kids about picking their battles. don't do what i did and attack one knowing there were 4 others waiting to roll me. i will teach my kids how to fight without fighting, and if it comes down to fighting they will know how to punch, kick, and submit people.
right on...who wants a nation of pussies anyway...?
I want a nation of dicks who think it's ok to bully others to hide their own insecurities...
Bully, Baby, Bully....0 -
Well we can't really put an end to it with people like you who seem to commend kids for "dealing with differences".HeidiJam wrote:Then please, please explain to me how you can stop bullying??? Since ITS THE WAY CHILDREN DEAL WITH DIFFERENCES... Are you that fucking clueless??? Also how confident are you that Bullying and ONLY bullying was the cause of those suicides??? I am willing to be that you can't. There is so much more that goes into suicied, its a joke that you downplay it just to an act of bullying. Read this thread again, there are a few who agree with me, they like me don't want a nation of pussies and where everybody is a winner, and we punish people for hurting my feelings.
There's a difference between the "everyone's a winner" thing and bullying. I don't even understand why you bring that up... Harassment isn't a fucking competition... It's not like the bully is some sort of champion and you're depriving the world of healthy competition by putting an end to bullying...live pearl jam is best pearl jam0 -
How could you not?HeidiJam wrote:
Thats what you got from my post...inmytree wrote:right on...who wants a nation of pussies anyway...?
I want a nation of dicks who think it's ok to bully others to hide their own insecurities...
Bully, Baby, Bully....
This thread's gonna get locked because of you and it's a shame because the OP had really good intentions.live pearl jam is best pearl jam0 -
So no more teasing, no more making fun, no more harmless joking around, If you take that away from kids and you have them live in a life where there are no "hurdles" or obsticles in their social life and you make competion and intimidation a bad thing, they will be destroyed in the adult world,.haffajappa wrote:
Well we can't really put an end to it with people like you who seem to commend kids for "dealing with differences".HeidiJam wrote:Then please, please explain to me how you can stop bullying??? Since ITS THE WAY CHILDREN DEAL WITH DIFFERENCES... Are you that fucking clueless??? Also how confident are you that Bullying and ONLY bullying was the cause of those suicides??? I am willing to be that you can't. There is so much more that goes into suicied, its a joke that you downplay it just to an act of bullying. Read this thread again, there are a few who agree with me, they like me don't want a nation of pussies and where everybody is a winner, and we punish people for hurting my feelings.
There's a difference between the "everyone's a winner" thing and bullying. I don't even understand why you bring that up... Harassment isn't a fucking competition... It's not like the bully is some sort of champion and you're depriving the world of healthy competition by putting an end to bullying...
I don't commend bullying, and have yet to say I think its good, I am simply saying that you can ban something that is a learning curve for children. I will leave this thread now if anyone on here can honestly say that they never made fun of anybody. Its impossible. And to simply lable murder or assult as bullying is reaching. I don't understand the mindset that we need to start inplementing rules, laws, because something annoys or hurts someones feelings.0 -
Living your world, hopefully they ban me, since i hurt your feelings...haffajappa wrote:
How could you not?HeidiJam wrote:
Thats what you got from my post...inmytree wrote:right on...who wants a nation of pussies anyway...?
I want a nation of dicks who think it's ok to bully others to hide their own insecurities...
Bully, Baby, Bully....
This thread's gonna get locked because of you and it's a shame because the OP had really good intentions.0 -
HeidiJam wrote:
So no more teasing, no more making fun, no more harmless joking around, If you take that away from kids and you have them live in a life where there are no "hurdles" or obsticles in their social life and you make competion and intimidation a bad thing, they will be destroyed in the adult world,.haffajappa wrote:
Well we can't really put an end to it with people like you who seem to commend kids for "dealing with differences".HeidiJam wrote:Then please, please explain to me how you can stop bullying??? Since ITS THE WAY CHILDREN DEAL WITH DIFFERENCES... Are you that fucking clueless??? Also how confident are you that Bullying and ONLY bullying was the cause of those suicides??? I am willing to be that you can't. There is so much more that goes into suicied, its a joke that you downplay it just to an act of bullying. Read this thread again, there are a few who agree with me, they like me don't want a nation of pussies and where everybody is a winner, and we punish people for hurting my feelings.
There's a difference between the "everyone's a winner" thing and bullying. I don't even understand why you bring that up... Harassment isn't a fucking competition... It's not like the bully is some sort of champion and you're depriving the world of healthy competition by putting an end to bullying...
I don't commend bullying, and have yet to say I think its good, I am simply saying that you can ban something that is a learning curve for children. I will leave this thread now if anyone on here can honestly say that they never made fun of anybody. Its impossible. And to simply lable murder or assult as bullying is reaching. I don't understand the mindset that we need to start inplementing rules, laws, because something annoys or hurts someones feelings.
"joking around" is not the same thing as "bullying"...
"ha ha, nice shirt" does not equal "ha ha, nice shirt you ugly piece of shit, you look like a fucking moron and no one likes you, you dumb fuck"
I see you see them as the same...0 -
HeidiJam wrote:So no more teasing, no more making fun, no more harmless joking around, If you take that away from kids and you have them live in a life where there are no "hurdles" or obsticles in their social life and you make competion and intimidation a bad thing, they will be destroyed in the adult world,.
This is ridiculous...There are plenty of other obstacles and hurdles other than bullies. I was never bullied, and I can say with quite a bit of confidence that I have never been "destroyed" in the adult world. We don't NEED bullying.HeidiJam wrote:I don't commend bullying, and have yet to say I think its good, I am simply saying that you can ban something that is a learning curve for children. I will leave this thread now if anyone on here can honestly say that they never made fun of anybody. Its impossible. And to simply lable murder or assult as bullying is reaching. I don't understand the mindset that we need to start inplementing rules, laws, because something annoys or hurts someones feelings.
Now, making fun of someone and bullying are two differnet things. I would say that I never bullied anyone. But I sure made it evident that my older brothers chin looked like a but-crack every chance I got when we were kids. Big difference.Pick up my debut novel here on amazon: Jonny Bails Floatin (in paperback) (also available on Kindle for $2.99)0 -
I have taken responsibility for my actions, thank you very much. I never said it was the bullies' fault and their fault alone, I said it had a direct relation to how my life turned out because of how I reacted to it. I could have reacted to it differently, but I didn't. It's my personality. I have my own issues, and no, they are not all blamed on bullying. Quite the contrary.
So racism is everywhere, we can never get rid of it, so let's just let it happen and ignore it because that's how immature and ignorant adults act out their frustration and stupidity?
Great idea. :roll:HeidiJam wrote:
Correlation does not imply causation...Paul David wrote:I am absolutely aghast at the attitude of Heidijam. I'm really quite speechless reading this shit. Let me school you a bit:
For someone to be as ridiculously stupid as to say that bullying is not a big deal needs to be put in that situation for a month, a year, or a fucking decade. Walk a mile. :evil:
Just because you decided to drink does not mean bullying was the cause of this...
My attitude is quite simple, bullying happens everyday in every grade, in every school, and some how people manage to make it out alright. There are some serious cases, some of those kids that do heinous acts will do themeweather you take bullying out of schools or not. What is more dangerious bullys in schools with teacher supervision, or bullies out of schools with no authority or rules. You people seem to think that taking bullying out of schools will solve the problem and it wont. And the reason why bullying will never go away, is because this is how kids show their actions and emitions towards differences. THey are not ADULTS so you can't expect them to act like adults. Its just like when you liked a girl in grade school and you made fun of her. And lets please quit using bullying as a blanket term for anything a kid does that wrong.
And Paul I am not sure how your a schooling me, you gave me a story about how you were bullied and you seem to think that it lead to your drinking and drug abuse??? Just because you did that does not mean its the bullies fault, take some responsibility for your actions. I grew up with out a mom, I don't make up excuses for why i do things because i never had a mom.Gimli 1993
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How is that a big difference??? What he was really insecure about his his and you making fun of that caused serious damage??? How do you know whats harmless and whats not the person on the other end of the joke???JonnyPistachio wrote:
Now, making fun of someone and bullying are two differnet things. I would say that I never bullied anyone. But I sure made it evident that my older brothers chin looked like a but-crack every chance I got when we were kids. Big difference.0 -
HeidiJam wrote:So no more teasing, no more making fun, no more harmless joking around, If you take that away from kids and you have them live in a life where there are no "hurdles" or obsticles in their social life and you make competion and intimidation a bad thing, they will be destroyed in the adult world,.
I don't commend bullying, and have yet to say I think its good, I am simply saying that you can ban something that is a learning curve for children. I will leave this thread now if anyone on here can honestly say that they never made fun of anybody. Its impossible. And to simply lable murder or assult as bullying is reaching. I don't understand the mindset that we need to start inplementing rules, laws, because something annoys or hurts someones feelings.
HOW CAN YOU POSSIBLY EQUATE BULLY-DRIVEN SUICIDE AND TEASING,MAKING FUN, AND HARMLESS JOKING AROUND??? I'll say it again, you know nothing of what you speak, since you obviously were never the target of a bully. Teasing is not even close to the same.
You are obviously the clueless one.Gimli 1993
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 20140 -
No if you lived in my world you'd hope that Heidijam wouldn't get banned because they're a joke and every day we all need a good laugh...HeidiJam wrote:Living your world, hopefully they ban me, since i hurt your feelings...live pearl jam is best pearl jam0
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