The article's a joke but I think it also shows how some people take advantage of 'forgiveness'.
I mean, you can do all the shit you want if you know you can just ask for forgiveness later and some priest will forgive you.
We used to have this neighbour that would abuse her kid verbally and physically. She'd lock him outside in the cold and rain - but it was okay cause she would go to church every week and ask God for forgiveness.
some people are just horrible.
proof that going to church doesn't necessarily make you a christian, any more than standing in a garage makes you a car.
HAHAHA...
so corny but funny, must be a sunny friday afternoon, yep.
i don't know why i LOL'd at that... not saying it wasn't deep and intuitive of course
i don't know why i LOL'd at that... not saying it wasn't deep and intuitive of course
You LOL'd because you don't have a soul :P (j/K(?))
I used to heard that phrase back when i was a believer, is one of those things that the pastors a preachers like to scream to push you to be more christian than saint Paul... BS in all its glory
"The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it"
Neil deGrasse Tyson
Does one who feels forgiveness, simply because he/she asks for it, really learn anything?
If all people have to do is simply ask for forgiveness, what sort of deterrent is that to committing the same acts in the future?
But here's my question again: What does it matter to YOU whether the person actually regrets what they did or not? It makes no difference to YOU, so why would it bother YOU?
Forgiveness is not a bad thing. Wishing negative consequences on someone - even if they did you harm - is a bad thing.
If someone does something wrong, it does make a difference to me whether or not their regret is real. If someone shows false regret, they may be given the freedom to commit a similar bad act.
Forgiveness is not a bad thing, but in some cases, someone may have to face negative consequences in order to lessen the chances of them committing the same act again.
Infinite forgiveness leads to chaos and lack of personal responsibility.
You are misguided. One can speak words asking for forgiveness. God knows what is truly in your heart.
Did you and your family do something to help the child who was being abused??
As much as we could, he ate and stayed at our house whenever he wanted.
They moved shortly after.
And P.S., you don't know anything about me, so don't pretend to think you do.
Just because people don't believe in your religion, don't preach that they're misguided.
It's too bad your family didn't get the police involved in something so abusive.
Me saying you are misguided doesn't have to do with you not believing in my religion. It has to do with you not having the understanding of what being sorry means and asking forgiveness. Asking forgiveness and meaning it is a simple concept for all of humanity no matter what you believe. Isn't it?
Why would you think I would think I know anything about you, other than your attacks on Christianity?
Don't stereotype and twist the Christian religion. Don't pretend you're not.
You are misguided. One can speak words asking for forgiveness. God knows what is truly in your heart.
Did you and your family do something to help the child who was being abused??
As much as we could, he ate and stayed at our house whenever he wanted.
They moved shortly after.
And P.S., you don't know anything about me, so don't pretend to think you do.
Just because people don't believe in your religion, don't preach that they're misguided.
It's too bad your family didn't get the police involved in something so abusive.
Me saying you are misguided doesn't have to do with you not believing in my religion. It has to do with you not having the understanding of what being sorry means and asking forgiveness. Asking forgiveness and meaning it is a simple concept for all of humanity no matter what you believe. Isn't it?
Why would you think I would think I know anything about you, other than your attacks on Christianity?
Don't stereotype and twist the Christian religion. Don't pretend you're not.
Wow I forgot how heated things get when people can't take a joke! Lets all take a deep breath and say sorry to each other.
Fogiveness is a personal thing - not a spiritual thing. If a murderer can choose to forgive themselves for horrific acts then so be it. If what the bible says is true that all you need to do is ask for forgiveness and all those murderers and rapists are forgiven - then I think I'll try my hand at hell.
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Of course you would believe a fictional story since you haffajappa and once devided are so bright. Stop twisting the Christian religion. I don't see you attacking other religions. Why do you "bright" children do this?[/quote]
Hmm why would I have a go at the Christian religon based on this.
Maybe it was the years of emotional and physical abuse at the hands of my father who represents a group of nuns who have taken a vvbow of silence.
maybe its the fact that no matter how much I have asked for him to apologise so that I CAN BEGIN TO FORGIVE
but No he has said sorry to his almighty father, he does not need to actualy apologise to those whos lives he ruined.
Thats why I have a big problem with the Christians. And I have a great right. and a great knowledge of the hypocrosy this religon is
Hmm why would I have a go at the Christian religon based on this.
Maybe it was the years of emotional and physical abuse at the hands of my father who represents a group of nuns who have taken a vvbow of silence.
maybe its the fact that no matter how much I have asked for him to apologise so that I CAN BEGIN TO FORGIVE
but No he has said sorry to his almighty father, he does not need to actualy apologise to those whos lives he ruined.
Thats why I have a big problem with the Christians. And I have a great right. and a great knowledge of the hypocrosy this religon is
ehhhh don't listen to that ninkompoop... he clearly doesn't get that we all know what the onion is...
we all have our reasons for believing what we believe but only some will exhaust themselves by pushing their beliefs on others, or at least try to elevate themselves to moral high ground by pointing the finger at us "sinners"
Of course you would believe a fictional story since you haffajappa and once devided are so bright. Stop twisting the Christian religion. I don't see you attacking other religions. Why do you "bright" children do this?[/quote]
Hmm why would I have a go at the Christian religon based on this.
Maybe it was the years of emotional and physical abuse at the hands of my father who represents a group of nuns who have taken a vvbow of silence.
maybe its the fact that no matter how much I have asked for him to apologise so that I CAN BEGIN TO FORGIVE
but No he has said sorry to his almighty father, he does not need to actualy apologise to those whos lives he ruined.
Thats why I have a big problem with the Christians. And I have a great right. and a great knowledge of the hypocrosy this religon is[/quote]
I'm sorry for the abuse you suffered. Please don't base the Christian religion on what your evil twisted father is and whoever else hurt you. Your father isn't really sorry for what he has done or he would have asked your forgiveness. He can say he has asked God's forgivness but God knows what's in his heart.
It's hard especially when it's a family member but you have to seperate yourself from them and look forward. There are evil people in the world who use religions or whatever excuse to do evil acts and think they can get away with it. It doesn't mean they won't pay for it in the end. Take care.
Of course you would believe a fictional story since you haffajappa and once devided are so bright. Stop twisting the Christian religion. I don't see you attacking other religions. Why do you "bright" children do this?
Hmm why would I have a go at the Christian religon based on this.
Maybe it was the years of emotional and physical abuse at the hands of my father who represents a group of nuns who have taken a vvbow of silence.
maybe its the fact that no matter how much I have asked for him to apologise so that I CAN BEGIN TO FORGIVE
but No he has said sorry to his almighty father, he does not need to actualy apologise to those whos lives he ruined.
Thats why I have a big problem with the Christians. And I have a great right. and a great knowledge of the hypocrosy this religon is[/quote]
I'm sorry for the abuse you suffered. Please don't base the Christian religion on what your evil twisted father is and whoever else hurt you. Your father isn't really sorry for what he has done or he would have asked your forgiveness. He can say he has asked God's forgivness but God knows what's in his heart.
It's hard especially when it's a family member but you have to seperate yourself from them and look forward. There are evil people in the world who use religions or whatever excuse to do evil acts and think they can get away with it. It doesn't mean they won't pay for it in the end. Take care.[/quote]
Could also be the father Vincent Ryan. My parish preist, he had access to to an alterboy club that I was part of. http://www.bishop-accountability.org/ne ... Church.htm
I was lucky, I was an ugly kid I guess, some of my childhood freinds were not so lucky
Or maybe it was the preist who did get me when my parents sent me to a to him for counseling after a suicide attempt. Thats right at my lowest ebb, that prick sexually abused me.
the christian faith is a joke to me. kudos to those who have faith in god but dont need formal religon.
I started studying after my dark years and I found my belief. its not in somthing that isnt real.
ITS YOU, its me.
ITs US
Hmm why would I have a go at the Christian religon based on this.
Maybe it was the years of emotional and physical abuse at the hands of my father who represents a group of nuns who have taken a vvbow of silence.
maybe its the fact that no matter how much I have asked for him to apologise so that I CAN BEGIN TO FORGIVE
but No he has said sorry to his almighty father, he does not need to actualy apologise to those whos lives he ruined.
Thats why I have a big problem with the Christians. And I have a great right. and a great knowledge of the hypocrosy this religon is
Why would you blame religion for your father's shortcomings?
If someone hit your car with theirs, would you blame the car?
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
simple really
why would GOD allow these things to happen.
if god is so great and powerfull, he would never allow this
and then to add to all of it why would I then have to bring a child into the world with a disability.
what did I do to god to deserve all of this,
or maybe just maybe the FICTIONAL STORY is just crap.
Maybe its just us. Ive been unlucky
I would rather believ the latter
simple really
why would GOD allow these things to happen.
if god is so great and powerfull, he would never allow this
and then to add to all of it why would I then have to bring a child into the world with a disability.
what did I do to god to deserve all of this,
or maybe just maybe the FICTIONAL STORY is just crap.
Maybe its just us. Ive been unlucky
I would rather believ the latter
I believe in God and I think too many people who do not because of the reason you stated above are seeing only a tiny, tiny, insignificant part of the bigger picture.
I don't really believe that our short, trouble-filled lives here on earth are really what our existence is about.
Besides, does not believing in God make any of that better? I don't think it does.
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
simple really
why would GOD allow these things to happen.
if god is so great and powerfull, he would never allow this
and then to add to all of it why would I then have to bring a child into the world with a disability.
what did I do to god to deserve all of this,
or maybe just maybe the FICTIONAL STORY is just crap.
Maybe its just us. Ive been unlucky
I would rather believ the latter
I believe in God and I think too many people who do not because of the reason you stated above are seeing only a tiny, tiny, insignificant part of the bigger picture.
I don't really believe that our short, trouble-filled lives here on earth are really what our existence is about.
Besides, does not believing in God make any of that better? I don't think it does.
praying to god as a child I often wept and pleaded with god to save me from my tormets. But he didnt answer
not at all.
did not help me, just lead me towards more pain.
It wasnt untill i studied history, studied societies that I found that religon is control of the masses.
it wasnt till then that I turned my back on the anger and the hurt. that I understood that I have to make my life . not pray to falsehoods to make things better
simple really
why would GOD allow these things to happen.
if god is so great and powerfull, he would never allow this
and then to add to all of it why would I then have to bring a child into the world with a disability.
what did I do to god to deserve all of this,
or maybe just maybe the FICTIONAL STORY is just crap.
Maybe its just us. Ive been unlucky
I would rather believ the latter
simple really
why would GOD allow these things to happen.
if god is so great and powerfull, he would never allow this
and then to add to all of it why would I then have to bring a child into the world with a disability.
what did I do to god to deserve all of this,
or maybe just maybe the FICTIONAL STORY is just crap.
Maybe its just us. Ive been unlucky
I would rather believ the latter
ever heard of the big bang theory. or eveolution. there is quite a bit of scince on both of these theories, again show proof of creationism. Where god created everything in 7 days.
Oh and regarding humans if we all came from adam and eve we would all contain the same genetic markers, we dont
listen
Prove god exists
if you cant prove it it is false
what proof do you have
or do you just have faith
That's a pretty narrow minded view.
Even if you exclude God, we all have to have tons of faith just to live our everyday - from driving our car, to eating food, to riding in an elevator, etc. You live by faith too, my friend.
We've discussed before that even science actually never proves anything, it just develops theories.
For the sake of discussion, let's say you do believe there is a God who created EVERYTHING. Do you think it would make sense for people to be able to explain or prove everything about the entity that created them? I don't. Our tiny, tiny, tiny bit of human intellect isn't even a drop in the ocean compared to all the information included in the universe yet we should be expected to know all about or be able to explain it accurately?
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
praying to god as a child I often wept and pleaded with god to save me from my tormets. But he didnt answer
not at all.
did not help me, just lead me towards more pain.
It wasnt untill i studied history, studied societies that I found that religon is control of the masses.
it wasnt till then that I turned my back on the anger and the hurt. that I understood that I have to make my life . not pray to falsehoods to make things better
I'm sorry that you do not think God answered your prayers. Perhaps God did answer them, but didn't give you the answer that you wanted right then. Just because we pray and ask for things, doesn't mean that God is going to give us the answer we are asking for in the timeframe that we are asking for it.
It saddens me that people have such a limited view of religion based upon bad experiences. The basic message preached every week at the church I go to - and I've gone to many - is that we should love people and help people because that's what God wants us to do. That may be controlling in your view, but to hear continually about how we are supposed to accept, love, help and lift up other people can't be such a bad thing, can it? I mean even if you do not believe in God, that is a message that is far different than is typically preached out in the world.
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
praying to god as a child I often wept and pleaded with god to save me from my tormets. But he didnt answer
not at all.
did not help me, just lead me towards more pain.
It wasnt untill i studied history, studied societies that I found that religon is control of the masses.
it wasnt till then that I turned my back on the anger and the hurt. that I understood that I have to make my life . not pray to falsehoods to make things better
I'm sorry that you do not think God answered your prayers. Perhaps God did answer them, but didn't give you the answer that you wanted right then. Just because we pray and ask for things, doesn't mean that God is going to give us the answer we are asking for in the timeframe that we are asking for it.
It saddens me that people have such a limited view of religion based upon bad experiences. The basic message preached every week at the church I go to - and I've gone to many - is that we should love people and help people because that's what God wants us to do. That may be controlling in your view, but to hear continually about how we are supposed to accept, love, help and lift up other people can't be such a bad thing, can it? I mean even if you do not believe in God, that is a message that is far different than is typically preached out in the world.
where I feel its sad you need god to want you love and help people. I do this cause I do.
we live in a proof based society.
and the earlier post.
yes I have faith. faith that somebody has built that elevator correctly and mantained it, I also know we have rules governing this
listen
Prove god exists
if you cant prove it it is false
what proof do you have
or do you just have faith
That's a pretty narrow minded view.
Even if you exclude God, we all have to have tons of faith just to live our everyday - from driving our car, to eating food, to riding in an elevator, etc. You live by faith too, my friend.
We've discussed before that even science actually never proves anything, it just develops theories.
For the sake of discussion, let's say you do believe there is a God who created EVERYTHING. Do you think it would make sense for people to be able to explain or prove everything about the entity that created them? I don't. Our tiny, tiny, tiny bit of human intellect isn't even a drop in the ocean compared to all the information included in the universe yet we should be expected to know all about or be able to explain it accurately?
so the world is still a flat thing is it, not round at all.
the science that keeps my daughter as healthy and strong as she can be with her condition is just a theory.
the science that built the very thing your typing on is just a mere theory
Sure science changes, that things we once believd to be true are challenged , proven incorrect and evidence shown to base the new science on
sorta like we believed that Creationism was how we developed.but then came along darwin. amd his thoughts have since then been expanded on.
Sure the whole big bang thing is at this stage a theory. but its the one i think iis right. been shown a fair bit of science on it and think they are getting it right
...Even if you exclude God, we all have to have tons of faith just to live our everyday - from driving our car, to eating food, to riding in an elevator, etc. You live by faith too, my friend...
This is so wrong :( comparing faith in imaginary friends is a totally different thing, even thou a car could fail (and will do at some point) i still can check my car until i feel the car is safe enough to drive, with god there's nothing you can do no matter how much you pray or how well you behave you don't have any guarantee of the outcome of anything. Such if randomness of life, there's so many variables that is impossible get to a 100% of certainty, with god is a lottery, you can sue a bad mechanic but with god and his 10%... that's another story
So i rather check my car than pray before a long trip
"The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it"
Neil deGrasse Tyson
...Even if you exclude God, we all have to have tons of faith just to live our everyday - from driving our car, to eating food, to riding in an elevator, etc. You live by faith too, my friend...
This is so wrong :( comparing faith in imaginary friends is a totally different thing, even thou a car could fail (and will do at some point) i still can check my car until i feel the car is safe enough to drive, with god there's nothing you can do no matter how much you pray or how well you behave you don't have any guarantee of the outcome of anything. Such if randomness of life, there's so many variables that is impossible get to a 100% of certainty, with god is a lottery, you can sue a bad mechanic but with god and his 10%... that's another story
So i rather check my car than pray before a long trip
...Even if you exclude God, we all have to have tons of faith just to live our everyday - from driving our car, to eating food, to riding in an elevator, etc. You live by faith too, my friend...
This is so wrong :( comparing faith in imaginary friends is a totally different thing, even thou a car could fail (and will do at some point) i still can check my car until i feel the car is safe enough to drive, with god there's nothing you can do no matter how much you pray or how well you behave you don't have any guarantee of the outcome of anything. Such if randomness of life, there's so many variables that is impossible get to a 100% of certainty, with god is a lottery, you can sue a bad mechanic but with god and his 10%... that's another story
So i rather check my car than pray before a long trip
but there is a hint of faith i reckon.
You have faith that the maufcturer built the car correctly, you have faith in the dealer not ripping you off ( not)
you have faith that the petrol you put in isnt dilluted for the profit of the seller, you have faith in your mechanic that he is doing his best and not ripping you off.
But I dont mind having faith in that,m people are real at least
you have faith that the petrol you put in isnt dilluted for the profit of the seller, you have faith in your mechanic that he is doing his best and not ripping you off.
But I dont mind having faith in that,m people are real at least
OK i that may be true, but my mechanic exist and he doesn't have millions of people thinking that he created the universe, causing tsunamis, earthquakes and moving in mysterious ways. and i don't want to think what may happen to his only begotten son...
"The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it"
Neil deGrasse Tyson
Adapted from:
St. Louis MetroVoice, August 1993, Vol. 3, No. 8
One of the most fundamental axioms of biology is that all life comes from pre-existing life. Still, until the later part of the 19th century, life was believed to arise from non-living matter by a process called ‘spontaneous generation.’ Ancient Egyptians, for example, thought mice arose from the mud of the Nile. In 1600, J.B. Helmont even reported ‘proof’ for the spontaneous generation of mice claiming that if wheat, cheese, and soiled linen are placed together in a jar, mice will eventually appear! This idea of the spontaneous generation of life from non-life was so deeply ingrained in biological thought that it took nearly 200 years of experimental evidence to completely disprove it.
In 1650, Francesco Redi, an Italian physician, proved that maggots come from living flies and not from lifeless meat as was widely believed. This was a serious blow to spontaneous generation, but when bacteria were later discovered, it was thought that at least microorganisms might arise from non-life. This notion too was finally laid to rest in 1864 by the great scientist (and creationist) Louis Pasteur, who demonstrated that bacteria can only come from living bacteria. When Pasteur reported his results before the French Academy he confidently declared that, ‘never will the doctrine of spontaneous generation arise from this mortal blow.’ Pasteur never dreamed that the widely discredited evolutionary ideas of his contemporary, Charles Darwin, would one day become widely accepted by the scientific community, reviving once again the notion of spontaneous generation. In his book, The Origins of Life, evolutionist Cyril Ponnamperuma said: ‘It is, perhaps, ironic that we tell beginning students in biology about Pasteur’s experiments as the triumph of reason over mysticism yet we are coming back to spontaneous generation, albeit in a more refined and scientific sense, namely to chemical evolution.’
Most evolutionists are dead certain that life evolved by chance (without divine intervention) from non-living chemicals through a process called ‘chemical evolution.’ Some evolutionists even insist that life must have independently evolved more than once on earth. Most evolutionists are confident that life has evolved many times in many other places in the universe. Although Darwin spoke longingly of the chance origin of life from simple chemicals in some ‘warm little pond,’ there has never been evidence that anything remotely like this has ever happened. In fact, the evidence for chemical evolution is so embarrassing, some evolutionists insist that the whole idea of the origin of life is not even a part of the theory of evolution but rather is a creationist plot to discredit evolution!
Evolutionists speculate that life gradually evolved from mere hydrogen in a series of stages. The first stage began about 15 billion years ago with the big bang which produced an expanding cloud of hydrogen gas—all else was void. With time and energy, hydrogen transformed into all the other chemical elements. Then, about 4 billion years ago, the earth’s atmosphere consisted of methane, ammonia, hydrogen and water, from which life would inevitably evolve.
During stage two it is believed that simple chemicals from stage one formed the small organic molecules essential to life, such as sugars, amino acids, and nucleotides. In 1953, Miller and Urey claimed to ‘simulate’ the evolution of some of these organic molecules from methane and ammonia using apparatus and conditions designed to achieve the desired result.
Stage three in chemical evolution is supposed to have involved the stringing together of small organic molecules into long chain-like molecules called polymers. The most important biological polymers are starches (polymers of sugars), proteins (polymers of amino acids), and DNA (polymers of nucleotides). In another ‘evolution simulation’ experiment, Sidney Fox produced protein-like molecules by heating pure-dry amino acids at high temperatures. When this material was allowed to cool in water it formed small globules which he called ‘microspheres.’ Although these microspheres are stone dead, evolutionists refer to them as ‘protocells,’ implying that they represent an early stage of living cells. In fact, about the only similarity between microspheres and living cells is that they are, as their name implies, small and spherical.
The final stage of chemical evolution involves the chance transformation of organic molecules and polymers into the unfathomably complex machinery of living cells. Here evolutionary speculation is so unrestrained by evidence, or even plausibility, that it fails to merit serious consideration. The biochemist Dr David Green pretty well summed it up when he said in his book Molecular Insights into the Living Process: ‘the macromolecule-to-cell transition is a jump of fantastic dimensions, which lies beyond the range of testable hypothesis. In this area all is conjecture. The available facts do not provide a basis for postulating that cells arose on this planet.’ Evolutionists have tried to get around this problem by invoking long periods of time in the hope that, given enough time, virtually anything is possible—except, of course, special creation.
Now even some evolutionists fear that time and chance may not be the answer. The Nobel laureate Dr Francis Crick (co-discoverer of the structure of DNA), in his book Life Itself, insists that the probability of life’s chance origin simply defies calculation. Crick, an atheist, says: ‘What is so frustrating for our present purpose is that it seems almost impossible to give any numerical value to the probability of what seems a rather unlikely sequence of events ... . An honest man, armed with all the knowledge available to us now, could only state that in some sense, the origin of life appears at the moment to be almost a miracle ...’ Incredibly, Crick concludes that the first living organisms on earth may have been ‘seeded’ in our oceans by intelligent beings from another planet! Obviously, this reasoning would only transfer the problem of origins to another place in the universe—if chemical evolution is impossible here, why would it be any more feasible elsewhere, given that the laws of physics and chemistry are the same? Or were the aliens created?
The late Sir Fred Hoyle, who coined the term big bang (in ridicule), has recently concluded that the origin of life by chance is an absurd idea. In his book Evolution From Space, Hoyle insists that it is obvious that the complexity of life demands an intelligent designer, possibly even (heaven forbid!) God. According to Hoyle: ‘Once we see, however, that the probability of life originating at random is so utterly minuscule as to make it absurd, it becomes sensible to think that the favorable properties of physics on which life depends are in every respect deliberate ... . It is therefore almost inevitable that our own measure of intelligence must reflect ... higher intelligences ... even to the limit of God ... such a theory is so obvious that one wonders why it is not widely accepted as being self-evident.’ In an address at Cal Tech, Hoyle said that no amount of time now being considered by evolutionists is even remotely adequate to accomplish the formation of a higher living organism by chance. Such an event, he said, would be comparable to the chance that ‘a tornado sweeping through a junk-yard might assemble a Boeing 747 from materials therein.’
Evolutionists, who must essentially invoke miracles without God, have no other choice than to believe in chance events so improbable they undermine the statistical foundation on which modern science rests. In his book Origins: A Skeptic’s Guide to Creation of Life on Earth, evolutionist Robert Shapiro abandons all skepticism and lamely argues: ‘One escape hatch yet exists for spontaneous generation. Why need the event have been probable? We can just stare at the odds, shrug, and note with thanks how lucky we were ... After all, improbable events occur all the time.’ Think of it, with an unquestioning faith like this in God, we Christians could move mountains!
faith requires different thought patterns. you cant look at it from the same viewpoint you can something scientific that can be proven or disproved. i often think what itd be like to believe in God, how my mind would work for that to happen. i often wonder also if itd change the way i write. would i be accessing a part of my mind previously untouched. dont think this means i question my atheism cause i dont. ever. i just think a lot.
hear my name
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
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it's just so true!
You LOL'd because you don't have a soul :P (j/K(?))
I used to heard that phrase back when i was a believer, is one of those things that the pastors a preachers like to scream to push you to be more christian than saint Paul... BS in all its glory
Neil deGrasse Tyson
Why not (V) (°,,,,°) (V) ?
If someone does something wrong, it does make a difference to me whether or not their regret is real. If someone shows false regret, they may be given the freedom to commit a similar bad act.
Forgiveness is not a bad thing, but in some cases, someone may have to face negative consequences in order to lessen the chances of them committing the same act again.
Infinite forgiveness leads to chaos and lack of personal responsibility.
It's too bad your family didn't get the police involved in something so abusive.
Me saying you are misguided doesn't have to do with you not believing in my religion. It has to do with you not having the understanding of what being sorry means and asking forgiveness. Asking forgiveness and meaning it is a simple concept for all of humanity no matter what you believe. Isn't it?
Why would you think I would think I know anything about you, other than your attacks on Christianity?
Don't stereotype and twist the Christian religion. Don't pretend you're not.
want to be enlightened"
:roll: Have a nice evening. Sweet dreams.
want to be enlightened"
Fogiveness is a personal thing - not a spiritual thing. If a murderer can choose to forgive themselves for horrific acts then so be it. If what the bible says is true that all you need to do is ask for forgiveness and all those murderers and rapists are forgiven - then I think I'll try my hand at hell.
Of course you would believe a fictional story since you haffajappa and once devided are so bright. Stop twisting the Christian religion. I don't see you attacking other religions. Why do you "bright"
Hmm why would I have a go at the Christian religon based on this.
Maybe it was the years of emotional and physical abuse at the hands of my father who represents a group of nuns who have taken a vvbow of silence.
maybe its the fact that no matter how much I have asked for him to apologise so that I CAN BEGIN TO FORGIVE
but No he has said sorry to his almighty father, he does not need to actualy apologise to those whos lives he ruined.
Thats why I have a big problem with the Christians. And I have a great right. and a great knowledge of the hypocrosy this religon is
we all have our reasons for believing what we believe but only some will exhaust themselves by pushing their beliefs on others, or at least try to elevate themselves to moral high ground by pointing the finger at us "sinners"
Hmm why would I have a go at the Christian religon based on this.
Maybe it was the years of emotional and physical abuse at the hands of my father who represents a group of nuns who have taken a vvbow of silence.
maybe its the fact that no matter how much I have asked for him to apologise so that I CAN BEGIN TO FORGIVE
but No he has said sorry to his almighty father, he does not need to actualy apologise to those whos lives he ruined.
Thats why I have a big problem with the Christians. And I have a great right. and a great knowledge of the hypocrosy this religon is[/quote]
I'm sorry for the abuse you suffered. Please don't base the Christian religion on what your evil twisted father is and whoever else hurt you. Your father isn't really sorry for what he has done or he would have asked your forgiveness. He can say he has asked God's forgivness but God knows what's in his heart.
It's hard especially when it's a family member but you have to seperate yourself from them and look forward. There are evil people in the world who use religions or whatever excuse to do evil acts and think they can get away with it. It doesn't mean they won't pay for it in the end. Take care.
want to be enlightened"
Hmm why would I have a go at the Christian religon based on this.
Maybe it was the years of emotional and physical abuse at the hands of my father who represents a group of nuns who have taken a vvbow of silence.
maybe its the fact that no matter how much I have asked for him to apologise so that I CAN BEGIN TO FORGIVE
but No he has said sorry to his almighty father, he does not need to actualy apologise to those whos lives he ruined.
Thats why I have a big problem with the Christians. And I have a great right. and a great knowledge of the hypocrosy this religon is[/quote]
I'm sorry for the abuse you suffered. Please don't base the Christian religion on what your evil twisted father is and whoever else hurt you. Your father isn't really sorry for what he has done or he would have asked your forgiveness. He can say he has asked God's forgivness but God knows what's in his heart.
It's hard especially when it's a family member but you have to seperate yourself from them and look forward. There are evil people in the world who use religions or whatever excuse to do evil acts and think they can get away with it. It doesn't mean they won't pay for it in the end. Take care.[/quote]
Could also be the father Vincent Ryan. My parish preist, he had access to to an alterboy club that I was part of.
http://www.bishop-accountability.org/ne ... Church.htm
I was lucky, I was an ugly kid I guess, some of my childhood freinds were not so lucky
Or maybe it was the preist who did get me when my parents sent me to a to him for counseling after a suicide attempt. Thats right at my lowest ebb, that prick sexually abused me.
the christian faith is a joke to me. kudos to those who have faith in god but dont need formal religon.
I started studying after my dark years and I found my belief. its not in somthing that isnt real.
ITS YOU, its me.
ITs US
Why would you blame religion for your father's shortcomings?
If someone hit your car with theirs, would you blame the car?
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
why would GOD allow these things to happen.
if god is so great and powerfull, he would never allow this
and then to add to all of it why would I then have to bring a child into the world with a disability.
what did I do to god to deserve all of this,
or maybe just maybe the FICTIONAL STORY is just crap.
Maybe its just us. Ive been unlucky
I would rather believ the latter
I believe in God and I think too many people who do not because of the reason you stated above are seeing only a tiny, tiny, insignificant part of the bigger picture.
I don't really believe that our short, trouble-filled lives here on earth are really what our existence is about.
Besides, does not believing in God make any of that better? I don't think it does.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
Prove god exists
if you cant prove it it is false
what proof do you have
or do you just have faith
praying to god as a child I often wept and pleaded with god to save me from my tormets. But he didnt answer
not at all.
did not help me, just lead me towards more pain.
It wasnt untill i studied history, studied societies that I found that religon is control of the masses.
it wasnt till then that I turned my back on the anger and the hurt. that I understood that I have to make my life . not pray to falsehoods to make things better
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se ... rsion=NKJV
and
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se ... rsion=NKJV
want to be enlightened"
ever heard of the big bang theory. or eveolution. there is quite a bit of scince on both of these theories, again show proof of creationism. Where god created everything in 7 days.
Oh and regarding humans if we all came from adam and eve we would all contain the same genetic markers, we dont
That's a pretty narrow minded view.
Even if you exclude God, we all have to have tons of faith just to live our everyday - from driving our car, to eating food, to riding in an elevator, etc. You live by faith too, my friend.
We've discussed before that even science actually never proves anything, it just develops theories.
For the sake of discussion, let's say you do believe there is a God who created EVERYTHING. Do you think it would make sense for people to be able to explain or prove everything about the entity that created them? I don't. Our tiny, tiny, tiny bit of human intellect isn't even a drop in the ocean compared to all the information included in the universe yet we should be expected to know all about or be able to explain it accurately?
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
I'm sorry that you do not think God answered your prayers. Perhaps God did answer them, but didn't give you the answer that you wanted right then. Just because we pray and ask for things, doesn't mean that God is going to give us the answer we are asking for in the timeframe that we are asking for it.
It saddens me that people have such a limited view of religion based upon bad experiences. The basic message preached every week at the church I go to - and I've gone to many - is that we should love people and help people because that's what God wants us to do. That may be controlling in your view, but to hear continually about how we are supposed to accept, love, help and lift up other people can't be such a bad thing, can it? I mean even if you do not believe in God, that is a message that is far different than is typically preached out in the world.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
where I feel its sad you need god to want you love and help people. I do this cause I do.
we live in a proof based society.
and the earlier post.
yes I have faith. faith that somebody has built that elevator correctly and mantained it, I also know we have rules governing this
the science that keeps my daughter as healthy and strong as she can be with her condition is just a theory.
the science that built the very thing your typing on is just a mere theory
Sure science changes, that things we once believd to be true are challenged , proven incorrect and evidence shown to base the new science on
sorta like we believed that Creationism was how we developed.but then came along darwin. amd his thoughts have since then been expanded on.
Sure the whole big bang thing is at this stage a theory. but its the one i think iis right. been shown a fair bit of science on it and think they are getting it right
show me how christian belief has grown
This is so wrong :( comparing faith in imaginary friends is a totally different thing, even thou a car could fail (and will do at some point) i still can check my car until i feel the car is safe enough to drive, with god there's nothing you can do no matter how much you pray or how well you behave you don't have any guarantee of the outcome of anything. Such if randomness of life, there's so many variables that is impossible get to a 100% of certainty, with god is a lottery, you can sue a bad mechanic but with god and his 10%... that's another story
So i rather check my car than pray before a long trip
Neil deGrasse Tyson
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Amen to that
but there is a hint of faith i reckon.
You have faith that the maufcturer built the car correctly, you have faith in the dealer not ripping you off ( not)
you have faith that the petrol you put in isnt dilluted for the profit of the seller, you have faith in your mechanic that he is doing his best and not ripping you off.
But I dont mind having faith in that,m people are real at least
OK i that may be true, but my mechanic exist and he doesn't have millions of people thinking that he created the universe, causing tsunamis, earthquakes and moving in mysterious ways. and i don't want to think what may happen to his only begotten son...
Neil deGrasse Tyson
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The origin of lifeby Dr David N. Menton
Adapted from:
St. Louis MetroVoice, August 1993, Vol. 3, No. 8
One of the most fundamental axioms of biology is that all life comes from pre-existing life. Still, until the later part of the 19th century, life was believed to arise from non-living matter by a process called ‘spontaneous generation.’ Ancient Egyptians, for example, thought mice arose from the mud of the Nile. In 1600, J.B. Helmont even reported ‘proof’ for the spontaneous generation of mice claiming that if wheat, cheese, and soiled linen are placed together in a jar, mice will eventually appear! This idea of the spontaneous generation of life from non-life was so deeply ingrained in biological thought that it took nearly 200 years of experimental evidence to completely disprove it.
In 1650, Francesco Redi, an Italian physician, proved that maggots come from living flies and not from lifeless meat as was widely believed. This was a serious blow to spontaneous generation, but when bacteria were later discovered, it was thought that at least microorganisms might arise from non-life. This notion too was finally laid to rest in 1864 by the great scientist (and creationist) Louis Pasteur, who demonstrated that bacteria can only come from living bacteria. When Pasteur reported his results before the French Academy he confidently declared that, ‘never will the doctrine of spontaneous generation arise from this mortal blow.’ Pasteur never dreamed that the widely discredited evolutionary ideas of his contemporary, Charles Darwin, would one day become widely accepted by the scientific community, reviving once again the notion of spontaneous generation. In his book, The Origins of Life, evolutionist Cyril Ponnamperuma said: ‘It is, perhaps, ironic that we tell beginning students in biology about Pasteur’s experiments as the triumph of reason over mysticism yet we are coming back to spontaneous generation, albeit in a more refined and scientific sense, namely to chemical evolution.’
Most evolutionists are dead certain that life evolved by chance (without divine intervention) from non-living chemicals through a process called ‘chemical evolution.’ Some evolutionists even insist that life must have independently evolved more than once on earth. Most evolutionists are confident that life has evolved many times in many other places in the universe. Although Darwin spoke longingly of the chance origin of life from simple chemicals in some ‘warm little pond,’ there has never been evidence that anything remotely like this has ever happened. In fact, the evidence for chemical evolution is so embarrassing, some evolutionists insist that the whole idea of the origin of life is not even a part of the theory of evolution but rather is a creationist plot to discredit evolution!
Evolutionists speculate that life gradually evolved from mere hydrogen in a series of stages. The first stage began about 15 billion years ago with the big bang which produced an expanding cloud of hydrogen gas—all else was void. With time and energy, hydrogen transformed into all the other chemical elements. Then, about 4 billion years ago, the earth’s atmosphere consisted of methane, ammonia, hydrogen and water, from which life would inevitably evolve.
During stage two it is believed that simple chemicals from stage one formed the small organic molecules essential to life, such as sugars, amino acids, and nucleotides. In 1953, Miller and Urey claimed to ‘simulate’ the evolution of some of these organic molecules from methane and ammonia using apparatus and conditions designed to achieve the desired result.
Stage three in chemical evolution is supposed to have involved the stringing together of small organic molecules into long chain-like molecules called polymers. The most important biological polymers are starches (polymers of sugars), proteins (polymers of amino acids), and DNA (polymers of nucleotides). In another ‘evolution simulation’ experiment, Sidney Fox produced protein-like molecules by heating pure-dry amino acids at high temperatures. When this material was allowed to cool in water it formed small globules which he called ‘microspheres.’ Although these microspheres are stone dead, evolutionists refer to them as ‘protocells,’ implying that they represent an early stage of living cells. In fact, about the only similarity between microspheres and living cells is that they are, as their name implies, small and spherical.
The final stage of chemical evolution involves the chance transformation of organic molecules and polymers into the unfathomably complex machinery of living cells. Here evolutionary speculation is so unrestrained by evidence, or even plausibility, that it fails to merit serious consideration. The biochemist Dr David Green pretty well summed it up when he said in his book Molecular Insights into the Living Process: ‘the macromolecule-to-cell transition is a jump of fantastic dimensions, which lies beyond the range of testable hypothesis. In this area all is conjecture. The available facts do not provide a basis for postulating that cells arose on this planet.’ Evolutionists have tried to get around this problem by invoking long periods of time in the hope that, given enough time, virtually anything is possible—except, of course, special creation.
Now even some evolutionists fear that time and chance may not be the answer. The Nobel laureate Dr Francis Crick (co-discoverer of the structure of DNA), in his book Life Itself, insists that the probability of life’s chance origin simply defies calculation. Crick, an atheist, says: ‘What is so frustrating for our present purpose is that it seems almost impossible to give any numerical value to the probability of what seems a rather unlikely sequence of events ... . An honest man, armed with all the knowledge available to us now, could only state that in some sense, the origin of life appears at the moment to be almost a miracle ...’ Incredibly, Crick concludes that the first living organisms on earth may have been ‘seeded’ in our oceans by intelligent beings from another planet! Obviously, this reasoning would only transfer the problem of origins to another place in the universe—if chemical evolution is impossible here, why would it be any more feasible elsewhere, given that the laws of physics and chemistry are the same? Or were the aliens created?
The late Sir Fred Hoyle, who coined the term big bang (in ridicule), has recently concluded that the origin of life by chance is an absurd idea. In his book Evolution From Space, Hoyle insists that it is obvious that the complexity of life demands an intelligent designer, possibly even (heaven forbid!) God. According to Hoyle: ‘Once we see, however, that the probability of life originating at random is so utterly minuscule as to make it absurd, it becomes sensible to think that the favorable properties of physics on which life depends are in every respect deliberate ... . It is therefore almost inevitable that our own measure of intelligence must reflect ... higher intelligences ... even to the limit of God ... such a theory is so obvious that one wonders why it is not widely accepted as being self-evident.’ In an address at Cal Tech, Hoyle said that no amount of time now being considered by evolutionists is even remotely adequate to accomplish the formation of a higher living organism by chance. Such an event, he said, would be comparable to the chance that ‘a tornado sweeping through a junk-yard might assemble a Boeing 747 from materials therein.’
Evolutionists, who must essentially invoke miracles without God, have no other choice than to believe in chance events so improbable they undermine the statistical foundation on which modern science rests. In his book Origins: A Skeptic’s Guide to Creation of Life on Earth, evolutionist Robert Shapiro abandons all skepticism and lamely argues: ‘One escape hatch yet exists for spontaneous generation. Why need the event have been probable? We can just stare at the odds, shrug, and note with thanks how lucky we were ... After all, improbable events occur all the time.’ Think of it, with an unquestioning faith like this in God, we Christians could move mountains!
want to be enlightened"
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Keep trying!
Neil deGrasse Tyson
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