Science prooves religion is a crutch

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  • FiveB247x
    FiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    Religion isn't dying, in my opinion, it's likely we'll see the end of the human race due to war and similar compared to the end of organized religion.
    Gern Blansten wrote:
    Religion is dying. As time (and science) move forward it will eventually disappear. Most Americans have blinders on because we are a very religious nation. It is hard for many to accept that much of the world views us like we view fundamentalist Muslim nations...kinda wacko
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  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,470
    It will take time but just like there are few followers of Zeus today there will be few followers of Jesus at some point as well. Of course recent religions like Scientology or Mormonism might pop up but they won't have the power to last long.

    Religion exists in a very small piece of the overall time table of history
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    pandora wrote:
    FiveB247x wrote:
    God is a figment of your imagination.
    If God were a figment it would come from ones heart not head

    dont know about you but my imagination is in my head... not my heart.
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  • haffajappa
    haffajappa British Columbia Posts: 5,955
    Billy Pumpkin wrote:
    how is this harping on god? science proves nothing? are you kidding me?

    yes, the apocalypse is coming, nothingman. :lol:
    Nothingman54 wrote:

    Science proves nothing. God is real! Every single person will meet him someday. Iv seen pure evil at it's core. Can't anybody see what's happening. Can't you see what the world is working up to? It's written in the bible and it's happening before our very eyes. Why don't you guys pick on mulsims or some other religion instead of harping on GOD all the time. Very very sad.
    muslims believe in god they just call it a different name....
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  • FiveB247x
    FiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    Yeah - goes to show you bout the different between using your head compared to heart to answer a question..haha
    catefrances wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    FiveB247x wrote:
    God is a figment of your imagination.
    If God were a figment it would come from ones heart not head

    dont know about you but my imagination is in my head... not my heart.
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    haffajappa wrote:
    muslims believe in god they just call it a different name....
    .
    ...
    And... He is the same God that the Christians and the Jews believe in.
    That still doesn't stop us from killing each other over Him.
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  • haffajappa
    haffajappa British Columbia Posts: 5,955
    Cosmo wrote:
    haffajappa wrote:
    muslims believe in god they just call it a different name....
    .
    ...
    And... He is the same God that the Christians and the Jews believe in.
    That still doesn't stop us from killing each other over Him.
    Yeah so by people "picking on God" doesn't necessarily mean your Christian one......
    Useless to say "why dont you pick on Muslims" ...
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  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    haffajappa wrote:
    Cosmo wrote:
    haffajappa wrote:
    muslims believe in god they just call it a different name....
    .
    ...
    And... He is the same God that the Christians and the Jews believe in.
    That still doesn't stop us from killing each other over Him.
    Yeah so by people "picking on God" doesn't necessarily mean your Christian one......
    Useless to say "why dont you pick on Muslims" ...
    ...
    I tend to pick on all religions, equally, when it comes to things such as, using religion as a justification to do shitty things to other people. Like, I don't think God takes sides in war... instead, I believe He is against both sides who wage it. So, when I see footage of American Naval officers leading a group prayer that God may guide the cruise missles to their 'destinations'... it kinda creeps me out... no, it fucking really creeps me out. God has nothing to do with missile guidence systems... that's all Man's doing. To offload the responsibility of the death and destruction results of a sea-launched cruise missile to God... well, is that right?
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  • vomikus39
    vomikus39 Posts: 250
    ahhh, the eternal debate that is known as religion. Religion is a beautiful thing, whatever yours may be, if used properly. Through the centuries, religion has been used to kill millions, to justify suicide bombings, justify the crusades, etc... I don't think that is what religion is for, that's not the message of any religion that I am aware of. Truth is, NO ONE knows!! We are all agnostic. I'd love to believe that after life here, there is an eternal paradise where I can see all of my loved ones, feel happy all of the time, and not know what sadness and depression are. Really? Who wouldn't want that. We make the best of life here, but it sucks so much sometimes. Do we just do this and then die? Rot in the ground to be forgotten? I don't know, I'd love to think not. Logic, common sense, and intelligence do not allow me to believe in an after life or God. I hope I am wrong, but once again, I don't know, no one here does. Guess we'll find out when we die, and if there is nothing after life here, then who cares, we're dead anyway. For those who are faithfull, for those who believe and live a moral life because of their faith, then that's great. I (at least) try to live a moral life based on common sense and instinct, knowing what's right and wrong. I have a lot of regrets in my life, and if I am to be judged when I die, I truly hope I am forgiven, as much as I am now sorry. Greater than my anticipation to live in an eternal paradise is my fear of living in eternal pain. We all have a short time here, learn from your mistakes, do the best you can, hope for the best.
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  • arq
    arq Posts: 8,101
    Follow the golden rule and forget about imaginary friends...
    "The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it"
    Neil deGrasse Tyson

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  • haffajappa
    haffajappa British Columbia Posts: 5,955
    Cosmo wrote:
    haffajappa wrote:
    Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    And... He is the same God that the Christians and the Jews believe in.
    That still doesn't stop us from killing each other over Him.
    Yeah so by people "picking on God" doesn't necessarily mean your Christian one......
    Useless to say "why dont you pick on Muslims" ...
    ...
    I tend to pick on all religions, equally, when it comes to things such as, using religion as a justification to do shitty things to other people. Like, I don't think God takes sides in war... instead, I believe He is against both sides who wage it. So, when I see footage of American Naval officers leading a group prayer that God may guide the cruise missles to their 'destinations'... it kinda creeps me out... no, it fucking really creeps me out. God has nothing to do with missile guidence systems... that's all Man's doing. To offload the responsibility of the death and destruction results of a sea-launched cruise missile to God... well, is that right?

    I forgot to mention my "you" in the first part was objective, i meant the poster i was quoting...
    I'm not religious and I know (i think?) you are... but i totally agree with you.

    People praying for God to carry out acts of atrociousness is just plain old freaky... uber-freaky... :shock:
    And it happens by people of lots of religions!
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  • arq
    arq Posts: 8,101
    haffajappa wrote:
    People praying for God to carry out acts of atrociousness is just plain old freaky... uber-freaky... :shock:
    And it happens by people of lots of religions!

    Hate will stick us together more than love...
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  • even flow - question mark
    even flow - question mark Posts: 1,568
    I'm far from a religious kind of person but if science has put to rest the need for religion, when is science going to be able to go back past their big bang theory and tell me how we all came to be. Kind of pointless to say that there was a whole bunch of nothing and then this massive universe came to be that not even science seems to understand a whopping (I'll give them 10%) of.

    If people find peace of mind in relgion and don't get too wrapped up in it, it can be a good thing. But there always has to be questions on both sides.

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  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    catefrances wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    FiveB247x wrote:
    God is a figment of your imagination.
    If God were a figment it would come from ones heart not head

    dont know about you but my imagination is in my head... not my heart.
    not me it is in my heart and soul. I feel it not think it
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,470
    pandora wrote:
    not me it is in my heart and soul. I feel it not think it

    ok that sounds nice and all but it's scientifically impossible....there is no "soul" other than what exists in your brain
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  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    Gern Blansten wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    not me it is in my heart and soul. I feel it not think it

    ok that sounds nice and all but it's scientifically impossible....there is no "soul" other than what exists in your brain
    For me my soul is in my heart which rules my life, it's a strong feeling, this is based on my miracle. But this you already know of me, oh scary but broad-minded one.
    "I don't want to think, I want to feel"
    For the scientifically inclined they are ruled by their minds and logical thought, like Spock I guess. I am not.
    It doesn't matter though, love is all that matters and learning to accept each other no matter what we believe. In the big picture non of this matters, what we believe. The debate is silly, no one changes anyones mind,
    it is all semantics, heart, soul, mind, science. We all bleed, we all leave, we all need love. We are all here to learn, but perhaps we do not agree on what we should be learning.
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,470
    pandora wrote:
    Gern Blansten wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    not me it is in my heart and soul. I feel it not think it

    ok that sounds nice and all but it's scientifically impossible....there is no "soul" other than what exists in your brain
    For me my soul is in my heart which rules my life, it's a strong feeling, this is based on my miracle. But this you already know of me, oh scary but broad-minded one.
    "I don't want to think, I want to feel"
    For the scientifically inclined they are ruled by their minds and logical thought, like Spock I guess. I am not.
    It doesn't matter though, love is all that matters and learning to accept each other no matter what we believe. In the big picture non of this matters, what we believe. The debate is silly, no one changes anyones mind,
    it is all semantics, heart, soul, mind, science. We all bleed, we all leave, we all need love. We are all here to learn, but perhaps we do not agree on what we should be learning.

    ok but emotions like sympathy and caring come from the brain....the heart is a muscle that pumps blood through our bodies...it isn't a chemical producing organ (like the brain) that controls our emotions

    but whatever....
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  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    Gern Blansten wrote:
    ok but emotions like sympathy and caring come from the brain....the heart is a muscle that pumps blood through our bodies...it isn't a chemical producing organ (like the brain) that controls our emotions

    but whatever....
    for me this is semantics but I know you get me, I can feel this,
    and for me I feel with my "heart" I might be old school, very old school
  • vomikus39
    vomikus39 Posts: 250
    I tend to agree with Gern's POV. Pandora seems like a genuine person, not forcing his/her faith on anyone. Faith seems to work well for Pandora, so let it be. I tend to agree with Gern cause I cannot bring myself to whole-heartedly believe that there is an entity in the sky watching over us. If there is, this entity obviously has NO say or influence as to what goes on earth. Look around us, a god that I would believe in wouldn't allow what goes on. Going by christianity, it is man made. Constantine chose what stayed in the Bible and what didn't. Written by men, with many many gospels ommitted by men. You don't need all that rubbish to believe. I wish I could believe, I honestly try to, but then that whole logic thing kicks in. I envy people like Pandora, having a moral faith may make life a little easier. Maybe someday I will believe.
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  • kenny olav
    kenny olav Posts: 3,319
    I also find the opposite has been true for me. I was raised in an evangelical church, which confused the shit out of me as a kid. I loathed going there every Sunday, and I also had to endure bible camp, youth group, the church basketball league, etc, etc. Hypocracy and a nonsensical set of beliefs is all it was. I'm not sure if ever really believed in this "God" they were telling me about. It was all a great source of consternation and anxiety, and I felt like a dunce because I never understood it. It wasn't until I was a teenager that I was able to realize that it was they, not I, who was crazy. I don't need a crutch. I have no idea what will happen when I die, but I don't feel hobbled by it. What will be will be. I am a very spiritual person, in fact. I just don't subscribe to the idea that the ancient god of the Hebrews split himself into three parts, one of them mortal, only so he could be tortured to death by other mortals in order to forgive them for their sins. I mean, it's fucking ludicrous. Shame on everyone who tortures their kids' minds with this insanity. I'm proud to say my daughter is a very happy atheist!

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