Science prooves religion is a crutch

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  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
    Hugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    If you perceive that to be the meaning behind the thread title, then so be it. Can't do much about that. As I said, I neither believe nor disbelieve. But if what someone else believes is not your business, then what are you doing in this thread?

    I merely found it interesting, actually, kind of astounding that studies have found the perceived reason why religious folk, as a generality, enjoy longer and happier lives. It makes no inference into the existence of god one way or the other. It's merely about the effect the belief in god/an afterlife has on individuals in society.

    Take a freaking pill. :?
    mickeyrat wrote:
    one could argue Billy that you did make that claim with your thread title. What I believe is my business , what you beleive is NOT my business.
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  • know1
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    FiveB247x wrote:
    A crutch is a mere comfort and like anything in life, if leaned upon too much, yes it can be a bad thing.

    And let me ask you this, if science isn't proof of anything and you so readily pass it off in the face of religion/god, how can you be sure of something with even less proof? We're obviously not going to change the other half's mind/belief, but it just seems silly to me to pass off in the face of the other, especially because the one you back is absolute belief and the other is not. Kinda like saying tangerines are your favorite, but you absolutely hate and can't tolerate clementines.
    know1 wrote:
    Crutches aren't bad things, are they?

    And yes - Science does not prove anything. Just ask a scientist. They can form theories and laws based upon current information and observation. Those theories are not absolute proof of anything.

    What I'm saying is both science AND religion require faith. Maybe one more than the other.....maybe not.
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  • FiveB247x
    FiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    That's merely deluding science in order to put it on equal footing with religion. Science is based upon fact and research. Religion is based upon believe only. The two are polar opposites and do not coincide or co-exist. People may try to coil them, but at some level, it is either one or the other and not both.
    know1 wrote:
    What I'm saying is both science AND religion require faith. Maybe one more than the other.....maybe not.
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  • mickeyrat
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    FiveB247x wrote:
    That's merely deluding science in order to put it on equal footing with religion. Science is based upon fact and research. Religion is based upon believe only. The two are polar opposites and do not coincide or co-exist. People may try to coil them, but at some level, it is either one or the other and not both.
    know1 wrote:
    What I'm saying is both science AND religion require faith. Maybe one more than the other.....maybe not.
    and science consistantly changes as new "facts" present themselves. Einstiens theory of relativity has never really been proven to be true has it? Yet much of todays astronomical science is based on this theory. Yet many in science have faith it's true.
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  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
    Hugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    and that's why scientists call it a "theory".

    science works with the knowledge they acquire
    religion dismisses it.

    science evolves.
    religion does not.

    what does that tell you?
    mickeyrat wrote:
    FiveB247x wrote:
    That's merely deluding science in order to put it on equal footing with religion. Science is based upon fact and research. Religion is based upon believe only. The two are polar opposites and do not coincide or co-exist. People may try to coil them, but at some level, it is either one or the other and not both.
    know1 wrote:
    What I'm saying is both science AND religion require faith. Maybe one more than the other.....maybe not.
    and science consistantly changes as new "facts" present themselves. Einstiens theory of relativity has never really been proven to be true has it? Yet much of todays astronomical science is based on this theory. Yet many in science have faith it's true.
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  • he still stands
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    mickeyrat wrote:
    and science consistantly changes as new "facts" present themselves. Einstiens theory of relativity has never really been proven to be true has it? Yet much of todays astronomical science is based on this theory. Yet many in science have faith it's true.

    this is a good video about your point on science changing over time and being relative to the instrument itself and relative to its location in space/time... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lO7tGOr2NU0

    believing that science has all the answers (to these grand questions of "god") seems to me to be just as delusional as relying on a book written 2000 years ago.
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  • Drowned Out
    Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
    FAITH is a crutch.
    By definition, I have faith in nothing.
    Funny, when I tell a religious believer this, they always tell me they feel sorry for me :lol:
  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
    Hugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    you are going 10 steps further than the point in this thread. no one is saying science holds all the answers. At least I'm not. And I haven't seen anyone here claim that either.
    he still stands wrote:
    believing that science has all the answers (to these grand questions of "god") seems to me to be just as delusional as relying on a book written 2000 years ago.
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  • he still stands
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    Drowned Out wrote:
    FAITH is a crutch.
    By definition, I have faith in nothing.
    Funny, when I tell a religious believer this, they always tell me they feel sorry for me :lol:

    this reminds me of one of my favorite quotes; "I believe in everything; nothing is sacred, I believe in nothing; everything is sacred"
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  • he still stands
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    Billy Pumpkin wrote:
    you are going 10 steps further than the point in this thread. no one is saying science holds all the answers. At least I'm not. And I haven't seen anyone here claim that either.
    he still stands wrote:
    believing that science has all the answers (to these grand questions of "god") seems to me to be just as delusional as relying on a book written 2000 years ago.

    I wasn't saying the OP was implying that science has all the answers... but there are a few posts ^^^ that are swaying to the whole religion v. science debate (i.e. "they are polar opposites")
    Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
  • Drowned Out
    Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
    he still stands wrote:
    Drowned Out wrote:
    FAITH is a crutch.
    By definition, I have faith in nothing.
    Funny, when I tell a religious believer this, they always tell me they feel sorry for me :lol:

    this reminds me of one of my favorite quotes; "I believe in everything; nothing is sacred, I believe in nothing; everything is sacred"
    I like that a lot :)
  • FiveB247x
    FiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    I did not say science has all the answers, I said it has facts - and over time, as another poster mentioned, it builds and evolves for clarity and truth. God/religion is not like this any respect. With god/religion you either swallow the pill and believe or do not.
    he still stands wrote:
    Billy Pumpkin wrote:
    you are going 10 steps further than the point in this thread. no one is saying science holds all the answers. At least I'm not. And I haven't seen anyone here claim that either.
    he still stands wrote:
    believing that science has all the answers (to these grand questions of "god") seems to me to be just as delusional as relying on a book written 2000 years ago.

    I wasn't saying the OP was implying that science has all the answers... but there are a few posts ^^^ that are swaying to the whole religion v. science debate (i.e. "they are polar opposites")
    CONservative governMENt

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  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    know1 wrote:
    Crutches aren't bad things, are they?

    And yes - Science does not prove anything. Just ask a scientist. They can form theories and laws based upon current information and observation. Those theories are not absolute proof of anything.
    ...
    No... crutches are a good thing... in times when you need them. But, why use crutches, when you can walk perfectly fine? I believe Man has uses God as a crutch because of Man's weaknesses and his failure to accept his own weaknesses. Man leans in God to justify War... to rationalize why his nation is greater than the others and can, therefore, rule and/or plunder the land and resources outside their borders.
    But, God can provide a crutch when we need one... in times of dispair, hopelessness or tragedy. That is a good thing... comfort.
    ...
    As for Science vs. Religion... neither knows of the answers. Science tries to explains by asking questions in hopes of the future's truth... Religion does not question, simply accepts what was written by men 2,000 to 5,000 year ago.
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  • StillHere
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    Drowned Out wrote:
    he still stands wrote:
    Drowned Out wrote:
    FAITH is a crutch.
    By definition, I have faith in nothing.
    Funny, when I tell a religious believer this, they always tell me they feel sorry for me :lol:

    this reminds me of one of my favorite quotes; "I believe in everything; nothing is sacred, I believe in nothing; everything is sacred"
    I like that a lot :)

    good way of looking at things....i like that too
    peace,
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  • BinauralJam
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    catefrances wrote:
    the only commandment i live by is thou shalt not fuck with others. nothing i do is a sin and i feel no guilt. oh and.... i am my own God. 8-)


    u 2?
  • Jeanwah
    Jeanwah Posts: 6,363
    I didn't read the OP's article, but...isn't it a given that religion is somewhat a crutch seeing that it's all based on faith?

    “Faith is believing in things when common sense tells you not to".
  • Smellyman
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    Cosmo wrote:
    know1 wrote:
    Crutches aren't bad things, are they?

    And yes - Science does not prove anything. Just ask a scientist. They can form theories and laws based upon current information and observation. Those theories are not absolute proof of anything.
    ...
    No... crutches are a good thing... in times when you need them. But, why use crutches, when you can walk perfectly fine? I believe Man has uses God as a crutch because of Man's weaknesses and his failure to accept his own weaknesses. Man leans in God to justify War... to rationalize why his nation is greater than the others and can, therefore, rule and/or plunder the land and resources outside their borders.
    But, God can provide a crutch when we need one... in times of dispair, hopelessness or tragedy. That is a good thing... comfort.
    ...
    As for Science vs. Religion... neither knows of the answers. Science tries to explains by asking questions in hopes of the future's truth... Religion does not question, simply accepts what was written by men 2,000 to 5,000 year ago.

    Right on....
  • Blockhead
    Blockhead Posts: 1,538
    Cosmo wrote:
    know1 wrote:
    Crutches aren't bad things, are they?

    And yes - Science does not prove anything. Just ask a scientist. They can form theories and laws based upon current information and observation. Those theories are not absolute proof of anything.
    ...
    No... crutches are a good thing... in times when you need them. But, why use crutches, when you can walk perfectly fine? I believe Man has uses God as a crutch because of Man's weaknesses and his failure to accept his own weaknesses. Man leans in God to justify War... to rationalize why his nation is greater than the others and can, therefore, rule and/or plunder the land and resources outside their borders.
    But, God can provide a crutch when we need one... in times of dispair, hopelessness or tragedy. That is a good thing... comfort.
    ...
    As for Science vs. Religion... neither knows of the answers. Science tries to explains by asking questions in hopes of the future's truth... Religion does not question, simply accepts what was written by men 2,000 to 5,000 year ago.
    Science DOES explain things by testing and providing emperical evidence. Something Religion has never provided. The only answer that you will get out of religion is "well, the Lord works in mysterious ways".
    Its amazing to me that 2,000 years ago they thought the world was flat, didn't have the slightest clue about diseases, but yet were able to figure out God, the afterlife and every question that we can't answer. How were they wrong about everything else yet got those answers?
  • BinauralJam
    BinauralJam Posts: 14,158
    i know these facts, i love sceince, but when you are scared beyond all reason, you will ask god for help.
  • Blockhead
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    KO282453 wrote:
    i know these facts, i love sceince, but when you are scared beyond all reason, you will ask god for help.
    Wheres the proof of this. This sounds more like something that you have faith in than fact. Your sentence clearly shows why humans create gods in the first places. Because in times of need, beyond our control we tend to look torwards a father/mother figure - so in-turn we created a father figure in the skys that watches over us all the time, so that we feel some comfort and think everything will turn out fine. Its pretty much teaching you Fear, instead of love.

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