Science prooves religion is a crutch

FiveB247x

Religion isn't dying, in my opinion, it's likely we'll see the end of the human race due to war and similar compared to the end of organized religion.

Gern Blansten wrote:

Religion is dying. As time (and science) move forward it will eventually disappear. Most Americans have blinders on because we are a very religious nation. It is hard for many to accept that much of the world views us like we view fundamentalist Muslim nations...kinda wacko

Gern Blansten

It will take time but just like there are few followers of Zeus today there will be few followers of Jesus at some point as well. Of course recent religions like Scientology or Mormonism might pop up but they won't have the power to last long.

Religion exists in a very small piece of the overall time table of history

catefrances

pandora wrote:

FiveB247x wrote:

God is a figment of your imagination.

If God were a figment it would come from ones heart not head

dont know about you but my imagination is in my head... not my heart.

haffajappa

Billy Pumpkin wrote:

how is this harping on god? science proves nothing? are you kidding me?

yes, the apocalypse is coming, nothingman.

Nothingman54 wrote:

Science proves nothing. God is real! Every single person will meet him someday. Iv seen pure evil at it's core. Can't anybody see what's happening. Can't you see what the world is working up to? It's written in the bible and it's happening before our very eyes. Why don't you guys pick on mulsims or some other religion instead of harping on GOD all the time. Very very sad.

muslims believe in god they just call it a different name....

FiveB247x

Yeah - goes to show you bout the different between using your head compared to heart to answer a question..haha

catefrances wrote:

pandora wrote:

FiveB247x wrote:

God is a figment of your imagination.

If God were a figment it would come from ones heart not head

dont know about you but my imagination is in my head... not my heart.

Cosmo

haffajappa wrote:

muslims believe in god they just call it a different name....

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And... He is the same God that the Christians and the Jews believe in.
That still doesn't stop us from killing each other over Him.

haffajappa

Cosmo wrote:

haffajappa wrote:

muslims believe in god they just call it a different name....

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And... He is the same God that the Christians and the Jews believe in.
That still doesn't stop us from killing each other over Him.

Yeah so by people "picking on God" doesn't necessarily mean your Christian one......
Useless to say "why dont you pick on Muslims" ...

Cosmo

haffajappa wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

haffajappa wrote:

muslims believe in god they just call it a different name....

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And... He is the same God that the Christians and the Jews believe in.
That still doesn't stop us from killing each other over Him.

Yeah so by people "picking on God" doesn't necessarily mean your Christian one......
Useless to say "why dont you pick on Muslims" ...

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I tend to pick on all religions, equally, when it comes to things such as, using religion as a justification to do shitty things to other people. Like, I don't think God takes sides in war... instead, I believe He is against both sides who wage it. So, when I see footage of American Naval officers leading a group prayer that God may guide the cruise missles to their 'destinations'... it kinda creeps me out... no, it fucking really creeps me out. God has nothing to do with missile guidence systems... that's all Man's doing. To offload the responsibility of the death and destruction results of a sea-launched cruise missile to God... well, is that right?

vomikus39

ahhh, the eternal debate that is known as religion. Religion is a beautiful thing, whatever yours may be, if used properly. Through the centuries, religion has been used to kill millions, to justify suicide bombings, justify the crusades, etc... I don't think that is what religion is for, that's not the message of any religion that I am aware of. Truth is, NO ONE knows!! We are all agnostic. I'd love to believe that after life here, there is an eternal paradise where I can see all of my loved ones, feel happy all of the time, and not know what sadness and depression are. Really? Who wouldn't want that. We make the best of life here, but it sucks so much sometimes. Do we just do this and then die? Rot in the ground to be forgotten? I don't know, I'd love to think not. Logic, common sense, and intelligence do not allow me to believe in an after life or God. I hope I am wrong, but once again, I don't know, no one here does. Guess we'll find out when we die, and if there is nothing after life here, then who cares, we're dead anyway. For those who are faithfull, for those who believe and live a moral life because of their faith, then that's great. I (at least) try to live a moral life based on common sense and instinct, knowing what's right and wrong. I have a lot of regrets in my life, and if I am to be judged when I die, I truly hope I am forgiven, as much as I am now sorry. Greater than my anticipation to live in an eternal paradise is my fear of living in eternal pain. We all have a short time here, learn from your mistakes, do the best you can, hope for the best.

arq

Follow the golden rule and forget about imaginary friends...

haffajappa

Cosmo wrote:

haffajappa wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

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And... He is the same God that the Christians and the Jews believe in.
That still doesn't stop us from killing each other over Him.

Yeah so by people "picking on God" doesn't necessarily mean your Christian one......
Useless to say "why dont you pick on Muslims" ...

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I tend to pick on all religions, equally, when it comes to things such as, using religion as a justification to do shitty things to other people. Like, I don't think God takes sides in war... instead, I believe He is against both sides who wage it. So, when I see footage of American Naval officers leading a group prayer that God may guide the cruise missles to their 'destinations'... it kinda creeps me out... no, it fucking really creeps me out. God has nothing to do with missile guidence systems... that's all Man's doing. To offload the responsibility of the death and destruction results of a sea-launched cruise missile to God... well, is that right?

I forgot to mention my "you" in the first part was objective, i meant the poster i was quoting...
I'm not religious and I know (i think?) you are... but i totally agree with you.

People praying for God to carry out acts of atrociousness is just plain old freaky... uber-freaky... :shock:
And it happens by people of lots of religions!

arq

haffajappa wrote:

People praying for God to carry out acts of atrociousness is just plain old freaky... uber-freaky... :shock:
And it happens by people of lots of religions!

Hate will stick us together more than love...

even flow - question mark

I'm far from a religious kind of person but if science has put to rest the need for religion, when is science going to be able to go back past their big bang theory and tell me how we all came to be. Kind of pointless to say that there was a whole bunch of nothing and then this massive universe came to be that not even science seems to understand a whopping (I'll give them 10%) of.

If people find peace of mind in relgion and don't get too wrapped up in it, it can be a good thing. But there always has to be questions on both sides.

pandora

catefrances wrote:

pandora wrote:

FiveB247x wrote:

God is a figment of your imagination.

If God were a figment it would come from ones heart not head

dont know about you but my imagination is in my head... not my heart.

not me it is in my heart and soul. I feel it not think it

Gern Blansten

pandora wrote:

not me it is in my heart and soul. I feel it not think it

ok that sounds nice and all but it's scientifically impossible....there is no "soul" other than what exists in your brain

pandora

Gern Blansten wrote:

pandora wrote:

not me it is in my heart and soul. I feel it not think it

ok that sounds nice and all but it's scientifically impossible....there is no "soul" other than what exists in your brain

For me my soul is in my heart which rules my life, it's a strong feeling, this is based on my miracle. But this you already know of me, oh scary but broad-minded one.
"I don't want to think, I want to feel"
For the scientifically inclined they are ruled by their minds and logical thought, like Spock I guess. I am not.
It doesn't matter though, love is all that matters and learning to accept each other no matter what we believe. In the big picture non of this matters, what we believe. The debate is silly, no one changes anyones mind,
it is all semantics, heart, soul, mind, science. We all bleed, we all leave, we all need love. We are all here to learn, but perhaps we do not agree on what we should be learning.

Gern Blansten

pandora wrote:

Gern Blansten wrote:

pandora wrote:

not me it is in my heart and soul. I feel it not think it

ok that sounds nice and all but it's scientifically impossible....there is no "soul" other than what exists in your brain

For me my soul is in my heart which rules my life, it's a strong feeling, this is based on my miracle. But this you already know of me, oh scary but broad-minded one.
"I don't want to think, I want to feel"
For the scientifically inclined they are ruled by their minds and logical thought, like Spock I guess. I am not.
It doesn't matter though, love is all that matters and learning to accept each other no matter what we believe. In the big picture non of this matters, what we believe. The debate is silly, no one changes anyones mind,
it is all semantics, heart, soul, mind, science. We all bleed, we all leave, we all need love. We are all here to learn, but perhaps we do not agree on what we should be learning.

ok but emotions like sympathy and caring come from the brain....the heart is a muscle that pumps blood through our bodies...it isn't a chemical producing organ (like the brain) that controls our emotions

but whatever....

pandora

Gern Blansten wrote:

ok but emotions like sympathy and caring come from the brain....the heart is a muscle that pumps blood through our bodies...it isn't a chemical producing organ (like the brain) that controls our emotions

but whatever....

for me this is semantics but I know you get me, I can feel this,
and for me I feel with my "heart" I might be old school, very old school

vomikus39

I tend to agree with Gern's POV. Pandora seems like a genuine person, not forcing his/her faith on anyone. Faith seems to work well for Pandora, so let it be. I tend to agree with Gern cause I cannot bring myself to whole-heartedly believe that there is an entity in the sky watching over us. If there is, this entity obviously has NO say or influence as to what goes on earth. Look around us, a god that I would believe in wouldn't allow what goes on. Going by christianity, it is man made. Constantine chose what stayed in the Bible and what didn't. Written by men, with many many gospels ommitted by men. You don't need all that rubbish to believe. I wish I could believe, I honestly try to, but then that whole logic thing kicks in. I envy people like Pandora, having a moral faith may make life a little easier. Maybe someday I will believe.

kenny olav

I also find the opposite has been true for me. I was raised in an evangelical church, which confused the shit out of me as a kid. I loathed going there every Sunday, and I also had to endure bible camp, youth group, the church basketball league, etc, etc. Hypocracy and a nonsensical set of beliefs is all it was. I'm not sure if ever really believed in this "God" they were telling me about. It was all a great source of consternation and anxiety, and I felt like a dunce because I never understood it. It wasn't until I was a teenager that I was able to realize that it was they, not I, who was crazy. I don't need a crutch. I have no idea what will happen when I die, but I don't feel hobbled by it. What will be will be. I am a very spiritual person, in fact. I just don't subscribe to the idea that the ancient god of the Hebrews split himself into three parts, one of them mortal, only so he could be tortured to death by other mortals in order to forgive them for their sins. I mean, it's fucking ludicrous. Shame on everyone who tortures their kids' minds with this insanity. I'm proud to say my daughter is a very happy atheist!

arq

kenny olav wrote:

...I'm proud to say my daughter is a very happy atheist!

Even I'm proud of her! congrats!

pandora

vomikus39 wrote:

I tend to agree with Gern's POV. Pandora seems like a genuine person, not forcing his/her faith on anyone. Faith seems to work well for Pandora, so let it be. I tend to agree with Gern cause I cannot bring myself to whole-heartedly believe that there is an entity in the sky watching over us. If there is, this entity obviously has NO say or influence as to what goes on earth. Look around us, a god that I would believe in wouldn't allow what goes on. Going by christianity, it is man made. Constantine chose what stayed in the Bible and what didn't. Written by men, with many many gospels ommitted by men. You don't need all that rubbish to believe. I wish I could believe, I honestly try to, but then that whole logic thing kicks in. I envy people like Pandora, having a moral faith may make life a little easier. Maybe someday I will believe.

People confuse faith with religion. Spirituality with being religious.
My faith is not grounded in religion. My faith is in the knowledge that we have souls, that we will leave this world and continue on. I know this because of a miracle I experienced, a miracle I lived.
What makes life easier is love, without it, the support and hope it gives, life would not be worth living.
Have faith in me, have faith in yourself, in Gern, in the human race.
If there is a God this would be what he would want. For us to just try and understand and love each other each day we live.
For every terrible thing that happens in our world there is and comes the opportunity to love. To connect and aid each other through the trials of life. We are all connected and not so different.
Look around at the beauty we have been given, look around at each other.
As a gifted friend told me once, we are all heroes, each one of us, just reach out your hand in love.

Gern Blansten

vomikus39 wrote:

I tend to agree with Gern's POV. Pandora seems like a genuine person, not forcing his/her faith on anyone. Faith seems to work well for Pandora, so let it be. I tend to agree with Gern cause I cannot bring myself to whole-heartedly believe that there is an entity in the sky watching over us. If there is, this entity obviously has NO say or influence as to what goes on earth. Look around us, a god that I would believe in wouldn't allow what goes on. Going by christianity, it is man made. Constantine chose what stayed in the Bible and what didn't. Written by men, with many many gospels ommitted by men. You don't need all that rubbish to believe. I wish I could believe, I honestly try to, but then that whole logic thing kicks in. I envy people like Pandora, having a moral faith may make life a little easier. Maybe someday I will believe.

Yes I don't want to effect anyone's beliefs but yet this is an anonymous message board so it is here for all to see and interpret.

One doesn't need faith to make life easier. To me it was living a lie. I remember being 10 years old sitting in church and just thinking "man this doesn't make any fucking sense"...

I don't have a problem with the faithful as long as they don't overstep their bounds...I consider myself very fair, rational and moral and yet I pray to no one.

http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/a ... 0107060305

check out this article....just imagine if instead of using the atheist example Daniels uses a "Jewish" or "Muslim" example....and yet very little outcry

Gern Blansten

kenny olav wrote:

I also find the opposite has been true for me. I was raised in an evangelical church, which confused the shit out of me as a kid. I loathed going there every Sunday, and I also had to endure bible camp, youth group, the church basketball league, etc, etc. Hypocracy and a nonsensical set of beliefs is all it was. I'm not sure if ever really believed in this "God" they were telling me about. It was all a great source of consternation and anxiety, and I felt like a dunce because I never understood it. It wasn't until I was a teenager that I was able to realize that it was they, not I, who was crazy. I don't need a crutch. I have no idea what will happen when I die, but I don't feel hobbled by it. What will be will be. I am a very spiritual person, in fact. I just don't subscribe to the idea that the ancient god of the Hebrews split himself into three parts, one of them mortal, only so he could be tortured to death by other mortals in order to forgive them for their sins. I mean, it's fucking ludicrous. Shame on everyone who tortures their kids' minds with this insanity. I'm proud to say my daughter is a very happy atheist!

I'm with you.

We don't talk much about religion in our house but it comes up every once in awhile. My 8 year old went to church with one of her friends a few months ago....we asked her how she liked it and she said it was ok...I asked her what church she went to and she said "I don't know but it had a big X on it"

I thought that was hilarious.....I don't mean this in an insulting way to the religious but I take pride in the fact that my kids have not been exposed to that stuff.

pandora

Why do people think if you believe there is a supreme spirit that you must believe in the religions made by man?
It seems that is an excuse not to believe in God because religion has made it so unbelievable.
It also seems that most who don't believe in God were raised blindly to believe in a religion and have blind faith when faith can not be taught it must be discovered.
It seems God is getting a bad rap because of what man has created.

Lizard

Apparently God is real AND is a fan of PJ
http://community.pearljam.com/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=296851

pandora

Lizard wrote:

Apparently God is real AND is a fan of PJ
http://community.pearljam.com/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=296851

:thumbup:

Hugh Freaking Dillon

pandora wrote:

As a gifted friend told me once, we are all heroes, each one of us, just reach out your hand in love.

I haven't agreed with you much in the past on this subject, Pandora, but very beautifully put.

pandora

Billy Pumpkin wrote:

pandora wrote:

As a gifted friend told me once, we are all heroes, each one of us, just reach out your hand in love.

I haven't agreed with you much in the past on this subject, Pandora, but very beautifully put.

Thank you for your kindness Billy Pumpkin. I think we agree on love, that is all that matters to me.

Jeanwah

pandora wrote:

People confuse faith with religion. Spirituality with being religious.
My faith is not grounded in religion. My faith is in the knowledge that we have souls, that we will leave this world and continue on. I know this because of a miracle I experienced, a miracle I lived.
What makes life easier is love, without it, the support and hope it gives, life would not be worth living.
Have faith in me, have faith in yourself, in Gern, in the human race.
If there is a God this would be what he would want. For us to just try and understand and love each other each day we live.
For every terrible thing that happens in our world there is and comes the opportunity to love. To connect and aid each other through the trials of life. We are all connected and not so different.
Look around at the beauty we have been given, look around at each other.
As a gifted friend told me once, we are all heroes, each one of us, just reach out your hand in love.

I love this entire post, and can't agree more with the spirituality/religion not being one of the same.
I tend to stay out of religious debate because I think it's fine whatever anyone wants to believe in.