After 13 years in a wonderful relationship, I have discovered a few things...
When does Kathy look her absolute best???
When is Kathy at her sexiest????
When she is wearing a nice pair of short shorts, and going up and down the stairs, with a laundry basket in her hands......
hehehehehehehehehehehehehehe
oh myyyyy........
funny too, just posted about in AET the other day.
told my husband he looked dead-sexy while he was mopping the bathroom floor.
maybe that's key?
we all like our partners best when they are cleaning.
After 13 years in a wonderful relationship, I have discovered a few things...
When does Kathy look her absolute best???
When is Kathy at her sexiest????
When she is wearing a nice pair of short shorts, and going up and down the stairs, with a laundry basket in her hands......
hehehehehehehehehehehehehehe
oh myyyyy........
funny too, just posted about in AET the other day.
told my husband he looked dead-sexy while he was mopping the bathroom floor.
maybe that's key?
we all like our partners best when they are cleaning.
Yep...
Whenever I am in the mood for some "FUN"....
All I need to do is take out a mop, or do some dishes....
If I want hours and hours of "FUN"?????
Then I take out the garbage......
Take me piece by piece..... Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
After 13 years in a wonderful relationship, I have discovered a few things...
When does Kathy look her absolute best???
When is Kathy at her sexiest????
When she is wearing a nice pair of short shorts, and going up and down the stairs, with a laundry basket in her hands......
hehehehehehehehehehehehehehe
oh myyyyy........
funny too, just posted about in AET the other day.
told my husband he looked dead-sexy while he was mopping the bathroom floor.
maybe that's key?
we all like our partners best when they are cleaning.
Yep...
Whenever I am in the mood for some "FUN"....
All I need to do is take out a mop, or do some dishes....
If I want hours and hours of "FUN"?????
Then I take out the garbage......
*swoons*
definitely sexy!
seriously....there are "ideals" of beauty, most unattainable...and then there is the beauty we find in those we love. while i realize some of those ideals can, for some girls/women, really have a negative impact on their lives - to a terrible degree at times...i think for most, we see it for what it is.
Can you imagine a world without men? No crime and lots of happy fat women......
I am not so sure about that. I mean there seems to be a ton of things that women do for their appearance that have nothing to do with men. I mean look at all those commercials for eyelash make up, that promise fuller lashes that are up to 200% longer. I have never once looked at a women and noticed that she had really hot looking eyelashes and I have never heard of any other guy making a comment about a women's eyelashes, so who the hell are they doing it for?
Can you imagine a world without men? No crime and lots of happy fat women......
I am not so sure about that. I mean there seems to be a ton of things that women do for their appearance that have nothing to do with men. I mean look at all those commercials for eyelash make up, that promise fuller lashes that are up to 200% longer. I have never once looked at a women and noticed that she had really hot looking eyelashes and I have never heard of any other guy making a comment about a women's eyelashes, so who the hell are they doing it for?
lol... i never got that either. Somehow the mascara industry has completely conned women into thinking that longer lashes are something that men apparently want. I don't recall ever noticing a women's eye lashes besides if she had them or not
My whole life
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
Can you imagine a world without men? No crime and lots of happy fat women......
I am not so sure about that. I mean there seems to be a ton of things that women do for their appearance that have nothing to do with men. I mean look at all those commercials for eyelash make up, that promise fuller lashes that are up to 200% longer. I have never once looked at a women and noticed that she had really hot looking eyelashes and I have never heard of any other guy making a comment about a women's eyelashes, so who the hell are they doing it for?
lol... i never got that either. Somehow the mascara industry has completely conned women into thinking that longer lashes are something that men apparently want. I don't recall ever noticing a women's eye lashes besides if she had them or not
haven't you been following this thread? it's ALL men's fault!
seriously scb, i am a bit disappointed. taking apart the post, and a wee bit out of context...you usually don't do that.
firstly, the fact that you mentioned only women and not men...well it shows a skewed view, b/c not everyone may know that, so you only presented it as a heavy woman's issue, rather than both, thus why i pointed it out.
mental dynamics....men and women seem to think differently.
as to your :shock: face...seriously. if you don't get it. fine. cultural norms are defined by their culture. what is deemed acceptable, desirable, appropriate....whether ideals of beauty or laws for beahavior...ALL are based on the overall desires of the culture they stem from. these things also change in time, as we see throughout history. that was my point.
especially since you left out the following within the quote:
"being heavier and untanned used to be the 'ideal'...since it signified you had plenty to eat and did not have to work out in the sun. nowadays, being thin and tanned (tho that is changing) is the ideal....b/c it is seen as having the leisure time and $$$ to spend working out and spending time in the sun. so all are a reflection on MONEY and wealth, and the precieved, and visible, displays of such wealth."
which further illustrated the cultural norm point i was making.
also, women with unshaven legs are very much accepted, right now, in many parts of the world...even within the western world. austria for example. in the states, not so much. one is not right or wrong, just ideas of 'beauty'...and non are static forever. if one chooses to buck the trend, good for them if it makes them happy, but one should not be offended if one chooses to buck said cultural, present ideals.
as to beauty, well......i don't think 'average' is every held up as an 'ideal' for beauty. has it ever? if beauty was so run-of-the-mill, it wouldn't be so admired, no? kinda like genius in a way. if it was so attainable and most had it...we wouldn't put it on a pedestal to admire. i agree there is WAY too much focus on externals and on some unattainables, no denying that...i also just don't blame the media for all the issues out there, and certainly not all on men either. that's all.
:? Huh?
I think there's been some kind of misunderstanding. I agreed with you that the issue includes men. The :shock: face was a joke about the prospect of comparing women who don't shave to murderers, which I understood you were not actually doing. I left the rest out because it wasn't relevant to what I was saying :shock: about and I didn't have anything to say about it since I thought it was clear that I agree.
Instead of trying to understand what she means & feels, you are simply projecting your ideas about jealousy and competition onto her and all women and then complaining that women are jealous and competitive! I don't think there's any point in even having this conversation if your objective is to stereotype and judge.
I think the male/female ratio of eating disorders and body image issues is directly proportionate to the male/female ratio of media images and social norms that portray them as sexual objects, that uphold certain body types as ideal, that send the message that your body is not good enough, etc.
You are so far off on this one it’s not even funny. I tried to understand what she meant and felt. And I thought I was getting it until she posted this:
Maybe the OP was a video about suicide.
Did anyone ever consider that? NO.
It's always dicks, nuts and butt jokes on this serious forum.
Frankly I dislike posting in here because someone always comes along and fucks up your point.
Blow your brains out on here and I will be glad to serve you back what you give. Women are raped in so many ways. and unless you have a vagina. shut the hell up.
Except for SCB, this thread did exactly what i knew it would do. NOthing useful. Just opposition to a point very much missed.
p.s. the "woman" in the blue bathing suit looks like she pissed her pants. some day she will have to wear panty liners for bladder control, how sexy :?: will she be then?
I feel she’s acting close minded. Then she used childish remarks that came across as jealous. Not to mention how she twisted blackredyellows words around and told him that suicide will find him for ignoring it!!! At that point, I gave up trying to understand her.
In addition, you seem to be getting defensive because you are saying that I’m complaining about it. Wrong. Who’s judging who here?I’m merely bringing up a point. I could care less…the competition thing is 100% accurate. Maybe I just wasn’t articulate enough to convey my point – it’s as simple as this stereotype (I know sterotypes are bad, but just trying to make a point): women are more competitive with each other than men when it comes to beauty.
I don’t stereotype, I can identify when someone falls under a stereotype. And you might look back and see that she deleted all her comments. Too bad for her that al lthose comments are preserved in the quotes where people were so flabbergasted at her saying “shut the hell up if you don’t have a vagina. WTF?!
I honestly think this is an interesting debate. And we will seem to go in circles. What % of the population suffers from anorexia? What % is obese? What arre the REAL problems? Maybe it’s that the average American watches 4 hrs of tv a night? (I made that # up, but I’ll bet it is close)
Well I just understood her comments in a completely different way. And I don't think you're really capable of knowing whether or not she is jealous or competitive.
I never said that those types of posts don't contribute to the problem. I just don't see how men making comments about a beautiful woman should give other women self esteem issues. I do see why posts like this play a role in the problem, but I don't understand it.
These statements seem to contradict each other. :?
I am merely saying that if I see abeautiful woman walking down the street and say to my friend, "Hey, she's beautiful", how is that any different from posting a picture of a beautiful woman? if it's my human nature to be attracted to someone like Marissa Miller, should I keep my mouth shut, never say anything?
Let me ask you this: If your idea of beauty was tall, blonde, blue-eyed, giant breasts, and unnaturally thin, and your daughter was short, brunette, brown-eyed, small-breasted (or likely to be when she got them), and heavy, would you tell her "SHE'S beautiful!" every single time you saw a woman who looked like Marissa Miller and never when you saw a woman who looked like your daughter? Would you want your daughter's elementary school to hold up this picture and tell your daughter that this is what beauty and desirability look like? Would you like the boys in her life to do that?
I think many people (men and women) speak out of both sides of their mouths when they tell their daughters to disregard others' ideals of beauty but then reinforce the stereotypes and write it off as human nature or personal preference.
Also, as someone else has already pointed out, it is not human nature to think Marissa Miller has the perfect body. People learn to be attracted to this through socialization and then go on to perpetuate that socialization in others. If we lived in the times of Marilyn Monroe or later, very few men - and certainly not society and media as a whole - would have thought Marissa Miller's body was ideal.
I wasnt clear in my point. it's actually simpler than what I said. I see why it is a problem to other people, but I cannot understand it personally because I cant associate with it because i've never been one to compare myself to anyone.
And I never said I would perpetuate thes things like gawking over a woman. That point was theoretical - i dont' do that. I just said I dont think there's anything wrong iwith saying something is beautiful. If I see a beautiful sunset, I might comment i might not. I will raise my daughter or son to appreciate beauty and not compare themselvesto others, but to just be comfortable in their own skin and know that they are beautiful inside and out.
Do you see, though, how saying to a little girl that the same body type/weight is beautiful over and over and over again might give her the impression that she should fit that mold in order to be beautiful? And do you see how, if this body type is different from hers, it might make her feel like her body is not good enough?
I don't believe I said SHE wasn't healthy or HER breasts weren't natural. (But she'd have to always surf naked to get a tan like that.) My point was that this body image is not natural for the vast majority of the women in the world, and therefore shouldn't be held up as the standard against which to measure other women's bodies or the goal women should attempt to reach.
What I also find perplexing is that ONE person posted a picture, and suddenly Marissa Miller is being discussed as the standard. I think if we are realistic and have common sense, we will know that this is not the standard. Obviously, the majority of people you see on the street are not ideal either since a huge % is overweight. The fact of the matter is -- a large % of us could use some altering to our lifestyles for health reasons.
I think the reaction from me and the OP is to the fact that all of the other posts in the entire first day of this thread said that this picture represents the ideal body, and many since then have agreed or defended that position. And I haven't seen anyone else post pictures of more realistically healthy-looking women as the ideal.
I'm not sure whether you mean standard as in average or standard as in ideal.
The funny thing is, I agree with you, and I don’t see those things as impossible to ignore either. Sadly, because of $$$, I don’t see it going away though. I do see them as objects of adversity for our children to overcome. I think one of the most difficult things besides making sure our kids are confident and appreciative of all body types, is making sure our kids stay healthy by not letting them watch too much TV, have tons of ice cream, candy bars, sodas, and all the other shit that seems to be forced on them.
I agree. I wish we were able to protect children from media brainwashing just through limiting TV consumption though.
Can you imagine a world without men? No crime and lots of happy fat women......
I am not so sure about that. I mean there seems to be a ton of things that women do for their appearance that have nothing to do with men. I mean look at all those commercials for eyelash make up, that promise fuller lashes that are up to 200% longer. I have never once looked at a women and noticed that she had really hot looking eyelashes and I have never heard of any other guy making a comment about a women's eyelashes, so who the hell are they doing it for?
lol... i never got that either. Somehow the mascara industry has completely conned women into thinking that longer lashes are something that men apparently want. I don't recall ever noticing a women's eye lashes besides if she had them or not
This could not be more true. I once went out with a girl on three dates before I noticed that she didn't even have EYEBROWS.
I am not so sure about that. I mean there seems to be a ton of things that women do for their appearance that have nothing to do with men. I mean look at all those commercials for eyelash make up, that promise fuller lashes that are up to 200% longer. I have never once looked at a women and noticed that she had really hot looking eyelashes and I have never heard of any other guy making a comment about a women's eyelashes, so who the hell are they doing it for?
lol... i never got that either. Somehow the mascara industry has completely conned women into thinking that longer lashes are something that men apparently want. I don't recall ever noticing a women's eye lashes besides if she had them or not
This could not be more true. I once went out with a girl on three dates before I noticed that she didn't even have EYEBROWS.
...I wish I was joking.
haha yeah. earrings and nail polish are other things. no man gives a crap about that stuff. Women do that stuff for other women.
lol... i never got that either. Somehow the mascara industry has completely conned women into thinking that longer lashes are something that men apparently want. I don't recall ever noticing a women's eye lashes besides if she had them or not
This could not be more true. I once went out with a girl on three dates before I noticed that she didn't even have EYEBROWS.
...I wish I was joking.
haha yeah. earrings and nail polish are other things. no man gives a crap about that stuff. Women do that stuff for other women.
I'm just going to throw in make up in general. Typically the women who wear the most makeup are the least attractive to me. I get the idea of covering up blemishes or whatever, but what the fuck is with blue eyeshadow or other warpaint-type colors? Are we supposed to be fooled into thinking that this magical woman has green eyelids or permanently red cheek bones?
My whole life
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
Well I just understood her comments in a completely different way. And I don't think you're really capable of knowing whether or not she is jealous or competitive.
Are the questions about % rhetorical?
I don't really care if you think i'm capabale. I thought her comments were/have been rude and way off base to many people on here. Again, she deleted them all.. is that saying anything? Who is EVER capabale of knowing what someone else is thinking here? nobody, but I can deduce from ridiculous statements like 'you don't have a vagina, shut the fuck up!' --and-- 'the woman in the bathing suit looks like she pissed her pants', that something "aint right"
Personally, I 've tried to live life seeing the good in things, and when people point out negatives in something that the majority of people see beauty in, it usually shows some sign...wehter its jealousy, humor, truth or whatever...just my opinion, and it is deduced from several other whacky out of line comments.
well, the % questions are rhetorical, but I thought they were important. I thought putting it in perspective of 'ideal' body should be more in tune with 'healthy', not what's drop dead gorgeous.
Do you see, though, how saying to a little girl that the same body type/weight is beautiful over and over and over again might give her the impression that she should fit that mold in order to be beautiful? And do you see how, if this body type is different from hers, it might make her feel like her body is not good enough?
Of course I do. Who ever said anything about picking out the same exact body type and ramming it down the throats of little girls though? This is why many peopple here have said that it is good to show kids the beauty in everything-- short, fat, tall, skinny,...and not to focus just on outer beauty as well.
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When does Kathy look her absolute best???
When is Kathy at her sexiest????
When she is wearing a nice pair of short shorts, and going up and down the stairs, with a laundry basket in her hands......
hehehehehehehehehehehehehehe
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
oh myyyyy........
funny too, just posted about in AET the other day.
told my husband he looked dead-sexy while he was mopping the bathroom floor.
maybe that's key?
we all like our partners best when they are cleaning.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
Whenever I am in the mood for some "FUN"....
All I need to do is take out a mop, or do some dishes....
If I want hours and hours of "FUN"?????
Then I take out the garbage......
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
what !!! no vagina ? SHUT THE HELL UP !
Godfather.
*swoons*
definitely sexy!
seriously....there are "ideals" of beauty, most unattainable...and then there is the beauty we find in those we love. while i realize some of those ideals can, for some girls/women, really have a negative impact on their lives - to a terrible degree at times...i think for most, we see it for what it is.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
SHUT THE HELL UP!!!!!
You are not cooking my dinner????
SHUT THE HELL UP!!!!!
You are not doing my dishes???
SHUT THE HELL UP!!!!
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQZWA-T3nbs
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
Godfather.
And heaps and heaps and heaps of lesbians ...
There ya go...
I fixed it for ya......
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
Rosie Odonnel would be the happiest.....I think she has one.... :shock:
Godfather.
"They wouldnt be happy, they would still find something to bitch about"
hehehehehehe
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
Well it's the truth!
hehehehe
I am not so sure about that. I mean there seems to be a ton of things that women do for their appearance that have nothing to do with men. I mean look at all those commercials for eyelash make up, that promise fuller lashes that are up to 200% longer. I have never once looked at a women and noticed that she had really hot looking eyelashes and I have never heard of any other guy making a comment about a women's eyelashes, so who the hell are they doing it for?
lol... i never got that either. Somehow the mascara industry has completely conned women into thinking that longer lashes are something that men apparently want. I don't recall ever noticing a women's eye lashes besides if she had them or not
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
haven't you been following this thread? it's ALL men's fault!
Sarah Palin may have the perfect body.
And I do have a vagina....she's in the kitchen cooking and cleaning. :twisted:
yeah !!!!! she's hot.
Godfather.
:? Huh?
I think there's been some kind of misunderstanding. I agreed with you that the issue includes men. The :shock: face was a joke about the prospect of comparing women who don't shave to murderers, which I understood you were not actually doing. I left the rest out because it wasn't relevant to what I was saying :shock: about and I didn't have anything to say about it since I thought it was clear that I agree.
Well I just understood her comments in a completely different way. And I don't think you're really capable of knowing whether or not she is jealous or competitive.
Are the questions about % rhetorical?
Do you see, though, how saying to a little girl that the same body type/weight is beautiful over and over and over again might give her the impression that she should fit that mold in order to be beautiful? And do you see how, if this body type is different from hers, it might make her feel like her body is not good enough?
I think the reaction from me and the OP is to the fact that all of the other posts in the entire first day of this thread said that this picture represents the ideal body, and many since then have agreed or defended that position. And I haven't seen anyone else post pictures of more realistically healthy-looking women as the ideal.
I'm not sure whether you mean standard as in average or standard as in ideal.
I agree. I wish we were able to protect children from media brainwashing just through limiting TV consumption though.
This could not be more true. I once went out with a girl on three dates before I noticed that she didn't even have EYEBROWS.
...I wish I was joking.
I'm just going to throw in make up in general. Typically the women who wear the most makeup are the least attractive to me. I get the idea of covering up blemishes or whatever, but what the fuck is with blue eyeshadow or other warpaint-type colors? Are we supposed to be fooled into thinking that this magical woman has green eyelids or permanently red cheek bones?
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
I don't really care if you think i'm capabale. I thought her comments were/have been rude and way off base to many people on here. Again, she deleted them all.. is that saying anything? Who is EVER capabale of knowing what someone else is thinking here? nobody, but I can deduce from ridiculous statements like 'you don't have a vagina, shut the fuck up!' --and-- 'the woman in the bathing suit looks like she pissed her pants', that something "aint right"
Personally, I 've tried to live life seeing the good in things, and when people point out negatives in something that the majority of people see beauty in, it usually shows some sign...wehter its jealousy, humor, truth or whatever...just my opinion, and it is deduced from several other whacky out of line comments.
well, the % questions are rhetorical, but I thought they were important. I thought putting it in perspective of 'ideal' body should be more in tune with 'healthy', not what's drop dead gorgeous.
Of course I do. Who ever said anything about picking out the same exact body type and ramming it down the throats of little girls though? This is why many peopple here have said that it is good to show kids the beauty in everything-- short, fat, tall, skinny,...and not to focus just on outer beauty as well.