I actually don't like projection screens at shows, takes away from the stage.
me either.. i mean you go to the show to watch the band, not TV
Then again.. I've gotten picky about my concert tickets.. so I'll rarely go unless I get somewhat decent tickets (which usually works out, because they release decent tix for most concerts closer to the show date, if you didn't score decent ones at first).
Ditto, my old boss said he hates Eddie Vedder cause he just stands there...I said " we go to listen to Pearl Jam not see Eddie be Mick Jagger"
but he is not wrong about the sound
the sound at MSG the last two times has been less than good, you could be front row and not understand what Ed is saying
The sound was muddy both nights. Thursday was worse than Friday, but muddy both. I didn't read the Post article, so I know only what was posted here, but the Post writer's suggestion about a projection screen has no merit as far as needing to see close-ups of the band ... but there is little danger of a projection screen anyway. I remember one the first night at Jones Beach, it was distracting and unnecessary, and it must have been done without band approval because it was gone the on the subsequent nights. I also remember once seeing a woman at a show on the side of the stage signing the lyrics, possibly shown on a projection screen as well, and that was actually very cool to watch.
The review sounded like someone writing for their school paper - at one of their first concerts ever. Seriously, its an arena show, hard to see in the back? MAYBE! Video screen so we can see hot eddie..What about the rest of the band? What about being there for the music. 2 sold out shows at the garden.. A little too big of a band to play the hall you are talking about mr./ms. writer.. Being that the focus was on Ed, its no surprise that the right wing Post wrote it.
It sounds like he was pissed his seats sucked more than that it was a bad show...
You are right on, all though never seen them at Garden, and actually not went a couple times because could not get good enough seats, as where you are has a lot do with how a band sounds in large arenas.I use to work security at a couple upstate arenas (Pepsi Arena, now TU Center and Spac) and although both are much smaller than MSG, I know where you are has a pretty significant effect on your level of satisfaction with the bands performance. I have heard from several friends who seen PJ at MSG, they loved the show and were somewhat dissappointed, but because of their seating and the general acuistics of the building. Eddie actually mentioned it in Philly 10/31/10( I was there in upper level and still one of my favorite PJ shows ever)that MSG was a great building but did not sound that great, yet they have had some epic shows there from what I have heard from other PJ fans, and it seems to be the hardest ticket to get, must be pretty good still Check out crown of thorns on youtube he talks about which venues sound the best and wished they could keep Spectrum.Just for the record I just seen them in Hartford and it was an awsome show and sounded great, so I do not think they are falling apart. Get better seats, or go see some place with better sound, but again they always sell out MSG and it always seems like tough ticket to get, if it was that bad, people would stop going at some point!
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I've been following the reviews from the papers in every town on this tour. Every one was excellent and over the top at times. This was the only negative review from a major paper. Even the Newark review in the Star Ledger was gushing with praise. While I don't believe the Post review was some kind of political statement, this is typical of the NY Post. Just sayin...
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Harsh review, but I gotta say, I have been far back at a concert, and no screen is shit. Should be a staple for all shows.
In fact, for my first two pj shows in 2003 there wasn't a screen which made it hard.
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in todays ny post theres a review of bad thursdays msg show was. dont know how to post link but i assume nypost.com entertainment
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Now I have officially read it all!!!!!! Now the right wing has it out for PJ when writing a review. HAHA> NICE! :roll:
have you ever read the post. ummmm i'd gather you haven't picked it up. most of the writers for the post do lean bit to the right but you'd never know cause of the porn in the first few pages. the post bashed the concert cause the how the paper sells and people love this kind of shit.
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I don't get why people are trashing this review - they didn't like the sound, and said they're not the best band to play an arena like MSG. They didn't say the band itself is horrible, that their music bad, or they failed to play to standard, just that they had a few problems. They even went as far as saying they're still an important band - so I don't get the hate.
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I don't get why people are trashing this review - they didn't like the sound, and said they're not the best band to play an arena like MSG. They didn't say the band itself is horrible, that their music bad, or they failed to play to standard, just that they had a few problems. They even went as far as saying they're still an important band - so I don't get the hate.
Right on!...I was at the MSG2 show and compared to the Philly shows last October it's sound was terrible. The set list was marginal until the encores. The reviewer said nothing that wasnt true.
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That's harsh, but I have to admit that I see the point about the screens. I'm sure the people way in the back would have been very appreciative of them.
What a bunch of racist fucks at the Times. How could they give a band of white guys, and one hawaiian such a positive review? The band sounded like crap at MSG. It's been established. :arrow:
That's about how ridiculous some of you people sound when slaggin the post review.
That guy just didn't like his seats. I've been reading that guy for years and he's always talked highly of Pearl Jam from albums to shows. Peeps need to chillax!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Had Pearl Jam played Thursday's Madison Square Garden concert at a smaller hall, the band's energy -- and the dynamic stage presence of frontman Eddie Vedder -- might have saved the day. But they played the arena as if it were a club -- and the fans who filled the Garden paid the price.
First, there was no video projection system. From the back wall of the Garden to the lip of the stage, it's almost a quarter-mile, so the majority of the audience was denied any real visual detail. Did Vedder contort his kisser into the ugly face when he sang "Severed Hand" early in the set? You'd have to ask somebody who sat up front; even the eagle-eyed would have a hard time confirming it was actually Vedder up there.
"Eddie Vedder didn't speak up for Pearl Jam!"
The band's sound system was another problem. The acoustics weren't just a little muddy, they were the Mississippi. Lyrics were mostly indiscernible during the set, which ran for more than 30 songs.
It wasn't so bad on tunes such as "Jeremy" and "Leash," two of the band's best-known numbers. On those, what we couldn't hear with our ears we heard in our heads. But on the less familiar, deep-vault cuts, Vedder's lyrics were little more than garbled jibber-jabber, more noise than poetry.
Other than the shirtless, drunk, fat guy in my far-back section who broke a seat by jumping on it, the fan reaction cooled the farther you were from the stage.
The exceptions came during the night's two brightest songs: a cover of The Who's "Love Reign O'er Me" and Pearl Jam's own anthem "Alive," which was played in the show's last breaths. These two songs illustrated why Pearl Jam still matters -- but for the most part, Pearl Jam and Vedder coulda been better.
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Ditto, my old boss said he hates Eddie Vedder cause he just stands there...I said " we go to listen to Pearl Jam not see Eddie be Mick Jagger"
He could sit Indian style on the floor for the entire show and it would still be fucking sweet.
If I knew where it was I would take you there. There's much more than this
he hates almost everything
but he is not wrong about the sound
the sound at MSG the last two times has been less than good, you could be front row and not understand what Ed is saying
no monitors? nothing new.
cant understand ed? when could you?
so what if you only know 2 songs from ten and vs.?? does that deserve to be part of your article? CHRIST
sounds like he didnt get the VIP treatment he's used to... sitting far back with the shirtless drunk
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But the MSG sound was surprisingly poor indeed.
You are right on, all though never seen them at Garden, and actually not went a couple times because could not get good enough seats, as where you are has a lot do with how a band sounds in large arenas.I use to work security at a couple upstate arenas (Pepsi Arena, now TU Center and Spac) and although both are much smaller than MSG, I know where you are has a pretty significant effect on your level of satisfaction with the bands performance. I have heard from several friends who seen PJ at MSG, they loved the show and were somewhat dissappointed, but because of their seating and the general acuistics of the building. Eddie actually mentioned it in Philly 10/31/10( I was there in upper level and still one of my favorite PJ shows ever)that MSG was a great building but did not sound that great, yet they have had some epic shows there from what I have heard from other PJ fans, and it seems to be the hardest ticket to get, must be pretty good still
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In fact, for my first two pj shows in 2003 there wasn't a screen which made it hard.
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Right on!...I was at the MSG2 show and compared to the Philly shows last October it's sound was terrible. The set list was marginal until the encores. The reviewer said nothing that wasnt true.
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2.) they weren't trashing the band. they were trashing the sound and the lack of a monitor.
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What a bunch of racist fucks at the Times. How could they give a band of white guys, and one hawaiian such a positive review? The band sounded like crap at MSG. It's been established. :arrow:
That's about how ridiculous some of you people sound when slaggin the post review.
did u draw it?
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Limp show could have been Vedder
Had Pearl Jam played Thursday's Madison Square Garden concert at a smaller hall, the band's energy -- and the dynamic stage presence of frontman Eddie Vedder -- might have saved the day. But they played the arena as if it were a club -- and the fans who filled the Garden paid the price.
First, there was no video projection system. From the back wall of the Garden to the lip of the stage, it's almost a quarter-mile, so the majority of the audience was denied any real visual detail. Did Vedder contort his kisser into the ugly face when he sang "Severed Hand" early in the set? You'd have to ask somebody who sat up front; even the eagle-eyed would have a hard time confirming it was actually Vedder up there.
"Eddie Vedder didn't speak up for Pearl Jam!"
The band's sound system was another problem. The acoustics weren't just a little muddy, they were the Mississippi. Lyrics were mostly indiscernible during the set, which ran for more than 30 songs.
It wasn't so bad on tunes such as "Jeremy" and "Leash," two of the band's best-known numbers. On those, what we couldn't hear with our ears we heard in our heads. But on the less familiar, deep-vault cuts, Vedder's lyrics were little more than garbled jibber-jabber, more noise than poetry.
Other than the shirtless, drunk, fat guy in my far-back section who broke a seat by jumping on it, the fan reaction cooled the farther you were from the stage.
The exceptions came during the night's two brightest songs: a cover of The Who's "Love Reign O'er Me" and Pearl Jam's own anthem "Alive," which was played in the show's last breaths. These two songs illustrated why Pearl Jam still matters -- but for the most part, Pearl Jam and Vedder coulda been better.
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also what is the deal with taking a shot at this fan -- "the shirtless, drunk, fat guy in my far-back section who broke a seat by jumping on it" ?