The Golf Thread

bootlegger10

As LIV gets more players and they have to play well to stay around it will get more competitive.

Cliffy6745

bootlegger10 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

bootlegger10 said:

I am over the blood money references.  It is blood money, but we are all apart of it.

China is by far the biggest threat to stability in the world and human rights.  

Most of us buy cheap goods made in China.  
The PGA tour started a PGA Tour China.  
The US government sells arms to SA.
We don't complain about buying fuel that comes from SA oil.

I don't think the sports washing is going to work anyway.

There was probably a debate at some point in time about how many rounds should be in a standard tournament.  They settled on 4 but could have easily been 3.  The Champions Tour has done 3 rounds for non-majors and I don't think anyone is up in arms calling those tournaments "exhibitions".   Women's tennis is 3 sets vs. 5 for mens.  I don't think anyone questions women's tennis as "exhibitions".     3 rounds is plenty.  If I was on tour I would love to have an extra day off during a tournament week.  How many of us watch rounds 1 or 2 on tv?  Probably 1% of us.  54 holes is plenty to determine the winner.  We just have to accept change.  

Alright, clay Travis.

it’s a fucking hit and giggle 

and this entire post is sports washing working 

Not sure what Saudi Arabia funding a golf league is supposed to accomplish?  They already are a sovereign nation that gets away with whatever they want.  Am I supposed to like Saudi Arabia now?  No, they are murderers and terrible with human rights.  Running a golf league isn’t going to change anyone’s perception that has a soul.

People can keep whining there way into obscurity.  It is all so hypocritical.   All the PGA sponsors do business with Saudi Arabia.  

Let the Ryder Cup and majors die by not letting LIV players play.  

They are pumping literal billions into a sports league with no sponsors, no tv contracts, no real advertisers…is literally not about making money. It’s about business relationships with the west. Sure, there are plenty of terrible countries, the US included, but these fuckers literally hacked  a Washington post journalist up on FaceTime. And these fuckers are saying “golf can do a lot of good”, it’s not about the money, there are a lot of bad counties, all while playing in a hit and giggle with music playing and shotgun starts. It’s WWE of golf. Pat Perez was on one of the most beautiful planes in the world singing we are the champions after shooting a fucking 80..,it’s fucking trash. It’s the most low key professional sporting event ever.

The pga leadership should be blown up for not handling it differently, but this league is a fucking joke and it sucks for golf 

Every player than has gone to date is a tool and it makes perfect sense. Some more to come that will hurt a bit more…leishman (though it kinda makes sense given his form the past few years), hideki, but especially cam.

Cliffy6745

bootlegger10 said:

As LIV gets more players and they have to play well to stay around it will get more competitive.

Here’s the thing…they don’t care 

Cliffy6745

bootlegger10 said:

I think golf is more exciting when you have a dominant player, and that is one reason why I don’t watch very much as there is so much parity.  

So if someone comes along and changes up the format I would listen.  Jay Monaghan decided not to listen to anyone and acted too late.

The first paragraph is true for literally every sport in the history of the world.

Don’t disagree with the 2nd paragraph, but this ain’t it

Wobbie

bootlegger10 said:

I am over the blood money references.  It is blood money, but we are all apart of it.

China is by far the biggest threat to stability in the world and human rights.  

Most of us buy cheap goods made in China.  
The PGA tour started a PGA Tour China.  
The US government sells arms to SA.
We don't complain about buying fuel that comes from SA oil.

I don't think the sports washing is going to work anyway.

There was probably a debate at some point in time about how many rounds should be in a standard tournament.  They settled on 4 but could have easily been 3.  The Champions Tour has done 3 rounds for non-majors and I don't think anyone is up in arms calling those tournaments "exhibitions".   Women's tennis is 3 sets vs. 5 for mens.  I don't think anyone questions women's tennis as "exhibitions".     3 rounds is plenty.  If I was on tour I would love to have an extra day off during a tournament week.  How many of us watch rounds 1 or 2 on tv?  Probably 1% of us.  54 holes is plenty to determine the winner.  We just have to accept change.  

not buying what you’re selling.

bootlegger10

Wobbie said:

bootlegger10 said:

I am over the blood money references.  It is blood money, but we are all apart of it.

China is by far the biggest threat to stability in the world and human rights.  

Most of us buy cheap goods made in China.  
The PGA tour started a PGA Tour China.  
The US government sells arms to SA.
We don't complain about buying fuel that comes from SA oil.

I don't think the sports washing is going to work anyway.

There was probably a debate at some point in time about how many rounds should be in a standard tournament.  They settled on 4 but could have easily been 3.  The Champions Tour has done 3 rounds for non-majors and I don't think anyone is up in arms calling those tournaments "exhibitions".   Women's tennis is 3 sets vs. 5 for mens.  I don't think anyone questions women's tennis as "exhibitions".     3 rounds is plenty.  If I was on tour I would love to have an extra day off during a tournament week.  How many of us watch rounds 1 or 2 on tv?  Probably 1% of us.  54 holes is plenty to determine the winner.  We just have to accept change.  

not buying what you’re selling.

Ha. More and more players are going to LIV.  Gonna have to learn to LIV with it.

bootlegger10

Cliffy6745 said:

bootlegger10 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

bootlegger10 said:

I am over the blood money references.  It is blood money, but we are all apart of it.

China is by far the biggest threat to stability in the world and human rights.  

Most of us buy cheap goods made in China.  
The PGA tour started a PGA Tour China.  
The US government sells arms to SA.
We don't complain about buying fuel that comes from SA oil.

I don't think the sports washing is going to work anyway.

There was probably a debate at some point in time about how many rounds should be in a standard tournament.  They settled on 4 but could have easily been 3.  The Champions Tour has done 3 rounds for non-majors and I don't think anyone is up in arms calling those tournaments "exhibitions".   Women's tennis is 3 sets vs. 5 for mens.  I don't think anyone questions women's tennis as "exhibitions".     3 rounds is plenty.  If I was on tour I would love to have an extra day off during a tournament week.  How many of us watch rounds 1 or 2 on tv?  Probably 1% of us.  54 holes is plenty to determine the winner.  We just have to accept change.  

Alright, clay Travis.

it’s a fucking hit and giggle 

and this entire post is sports washing working 

Not sure what Saudi Arabia funding a golf league is supposed to accomplish?  They already are a sovereign nation that gets away with whatever they want.  Am I supposed to like Saudi Arabia now?  No, they are murderers and terrible with human rights.  Running a golf league isn’t going to change anyone’s perception that has a soul.

People can keep whining there way into obscurity.  It is all so hypocritical.   All the PGA sponsors do business with Saudi Arabia.  

Let the Ryder Cup and majors die by not letting LIV players play.  

They are pumping literal billions into a sports league with no sponsors, no tv contracts, no real advertisers…is literally not about making money. It’s about business relationships with the west. Sure, there are plenty of terrible countries, the US included, but these fuckers literally hacked  a Washington post journalist up on FaceTime. And these fuckers are saying “golf can do a lot of good”, it’s not about the money, there are a lot of bad counties, all while playing in a hit and giggle with music playing and shotgun starts. It’s WWE of golf. Pat Perez was on one of the most beautiful planes in the world singing we are the champions after shooting a fucking 80..,it’s fucking trash. It’s the most low key professional sporting event ever.

The pga leadership should be blown up for not handling it differently, but this league is a fucking joke and it sucks for golf 

Every player than has gone to date is a tool and it makes perfect sense. Some more to come that will hurt a bit more…leishman (though it kinda makes sense given his form the past few years), hideki, but especially cam.

President Biden fist bumped the guy who watched that killing on FaceTime.  But Pat Perez is the problem here.

Indifference71

Cliffy6745 said:

bootlegger10 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

bootlegger10 said:

I am over the blood money references.  It is blood money, but we are all apart of it.

China is by far the biggest threat to stability in the world and human rights.  

Most of us buy cheap goods made in China.  
The PGA tour started a PGA Tour China.  
The US government sells arms to SA.
We don't complain about buying fuel that comes from SA oil.

I don't think the sports washing is going to work anyway.

There was probably a debate at some point in time about how many rounds should be in a standard tournament.  They settled on 4 but could have easily been 3.  The Champions Tour has done 3 rounds for non-majors and I don't think anyone is up in arms calling those tournaments "exhibitions".   Women's tennis is 3 sets vs. 5 for mens.  I don't think anyone questions women's tennis as "exhibitions".     3 rounds is plenty.  If I was on tour I would love to have an extra day off during a tournament week.  How many of us watch rounds 1 or 2 on tv?  Probably 1% of us.  54 holes is plenty to determine the winner.  We just have to accept change.  

Alright, clay Travis.

it’s a fucking hit and giggle 

and this entire post is sports washing working 

Not sure what Saudi Arabia funding a golf league is supposed to accomplish?  They already are a sovereign nation that gets away with whatever they want.  Am I supposed to like Saudi Arabia now?  No, they are murderers and terrible with human rights.  Running a golf league isn’t going to change anyone’s perception that has a soul.

People can keep whining there way into obscurity.  It is all so hypocritical.   All the PGA sponsors do business with Saudi Arabia.  

Let the Ryder Cup and majors die by not letting LIV players play.  

They are pumping literal billions into a sports league with no sponsors, no tv contracts, no real advertisers…is literally not about making money. It’s about business relationships with the west. Sure, there are plenty of terrible countries, the US included, but these fuckers literally hacked  a Washington post journalist up on FaceTime. And these fuckers are saying “golf can do a lot of good”, it’s not about the money, there are a lot of bad counties, all while playing in a hit and giggle with music playing and shotgun starts. It’s WWE of golf. Pat Perez was on one of the most beautiful planes in the world singing we are the champions after shooting a fucking 80..,it’s fucking trash. It’s the most low key professional sporting event ever.

The pga leadership should be blown up for not handling it differently, but this league is a fucking joke and it sucks for golf 

Every player than has gone to date is a tool and it makes perfect sense. Some more to come that will hurt a bit more…leishman (though it kinda makes sense given his form the past few years), hideki, but especially cam.

This.  If I hear it's "good for the game" one more time I'm going to lose my mind.  This isn't about the game.  It's so strange that all the MAGA types are so excited for the league.  Why the hell would you be excited that Abraham Ancer is all of a sudden making an absurd amount of money???  And the format is a complete joke.  If it was actually exciting I would prob forget about the Saudi stuff.  But people out here acting like a charity golf outing is real competition is just crazy.

lastexitlondon

Its not appealing  to watch at all. Its like a knock about

Cliffy6745

bootlegger10 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

bootlegger10 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

bootlegger10 said:

I am over the blood money references.  It is blood money, but we are all apart of it.

China is by far the biggest threat to stability in the world and human rights.  

Most of us buy cheap goods made in China.  
The PGA tour started a PGA Tour China.  
The US government sells arms to SA.
We don't complain about buying fuel that comes from SA oil.

I don't think the sports washing is going to work anyway.

There was probably a debate at some point in time about how many rounds should be in a standard tournament.  They settled on 4 but could have easily been 3.  The Champions Tour has done 3 rounds for non-majors and I don't think anyone is up in arms calling those tournaments "exhibitions".   Women's tennis is 3 sets vs. 5 for mens.  I don't think anyone questions women's tennis as "exhibitions".     3 rounds is plenty.  If I was on tour I would love to have an extra day off during a tournament week.  How many of us watch rounds 1 or 2 on tv?  Probably 1% of us.  54 holes is plenty to determine the winner.  We just have to accept change.  

Alright, clay Travis.

it’s a fucking hit and giggle 

and this entire post is sports washing working 

Not sure what Saudi Arabia funding a golf league is supposed to accomplish?  They already are a sovereign nation that gets away with whatever they want.  Am I supposed to like Saudi Arabia now?  No, they are murderers and terrible with human rights.  Running a golf league isn’t going to change anyone’s perception that has a soul.

People can keep whining there way into obscurity.  It is all so hypocritical.   All the PGA sponsors do business with Saudi Arabia.  

Let the Ryder Cup and majors die by not letting LIV players play.  

They are pumping literal billions into a sports league with no sponsors, no tv contracts, no real advertisers…is literally not about making money. It’s about business relationships with the west. Sure, there are plenty of terrible countries, the US included, but these fuckers literally hacked  a Washington post journalist up on FaceTime. And these fuckers are saying “golf can do a lot of good”, it’s not about the money, there are a lot of bad counties, all while playing in a hit and giggle with music playing and shotgun starts. It’s WWE of golf. Pat Perez was on one of the most beautiful planes in the world singing we are the champions after shooting a fucking 80..,it’s fucking trash. It’s the most low key professional sporting event ever.

The pga leadership should be blown up for not handling it differently, but this league is a fucking joke and it sucks for golf 

Every player than has gone to date is a tool and it makes perfect sense. Some more to come that will hurt a bit more…leishman (though it kinda makes sense given his form the past few years), hideki, but especially cam.

President Biden fist bumped the guy who watched that killing on FaceTime.  But Pat Perez is the problem here.

I know reading can be difficult but these are clearly two different points. One on the politics and one on the competition 

bootlegger10

We will see on the competition. More than likely it will never become anything meaningful from a competition perspective.  

Will have to wait and see.  Maybe the team style will catch on over a decade.  It would be neat to have team rivalries grow and maybe some trades or splits over the years that will add some excitement to the game.    Agree right now it is all about money for the players. 

The Juggler

Cliffy6745 said:

bootlegger10 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

bootlegger10 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

bootlegger10 said:

I am over the blood money references.  It is blood money, but we are all apart of it.

China is by far the biggest threat to stability in the world and human rights.  

Most of us buy cheap goods made in China.  
The PGA tour started a PGA Tour China.  
The US government sells arms to SA.
We don't complain about buying fuel that comes from SA oil.

I don't think the sports washing is going to work anyway.

There was probably a debate at some point in time about how many rounds should be in a standard tournament.  They settled on 4 but could have easily been 3.  The Champions Tour has done 3 rounds for non-majors and I don't think anyone is up in arms calling those tournaments "exhibitions".   Women's tennis is 3 sets vs. 5 for mens.  I don't think anyone questions women's tennis as "exhibitions".     3 rounds is plenty.  If I was on tour I would love to have an extra day off during a tournament week.  How many of us watch rounds 1 or 2 on tv?  Probably 1% of us.  54 holes is plenty to determine the winner.  We just have to accept change.  

Alright, clay Travis.

it’s a fucking hit and giggle 

and this entire post is sports washing working 

Not sure what Saudi Arabia funding a golf league is supposed to accomplish?  They already are a sovereign nation that gets away with whatever they want.  Am I supposed to like Saudi Arabia now?  No, they are murderers and terrible with human rights.  Running a golf league isn’t going to change anyone’s perception that has a soul.

People can keep whining there way into obscurity.  It is all so hypocritical.   All the PGA sponsors do business with Saudi Arabia.  

Let the Ryder Cup and majors die by not letting LIV players play.  

They are pumping literal billions into a sports league with no sponsors, no tv contracts, no real advertisers…is literally not about making money. It’s about business relationships with the west. Sure, there are plenty of terrible countries, the US included, but these fuckers literally hacked  a Washington post journalist up on FaceTime. And these fuckers are saying “golf can do a lot of good”, it’s not about the money, there are a lot of bad counties, all while playing in a hit and giggle with music playing and shotgun starts. It’s WWE of golf. Pat Perez was on one of the most beautiful planes in the world singing we are the champions after shooting a fucking 80..,it’s fucking trash. It’s the most low key professional sporting event ever.

The pga leadership should be blown up for not handling it differently, but this league is a fucking joke and it sucks for golf 

Every player than has gone to date is a tool and it makes perfect sense. Some more to come that will hurt a bit more…leishman (though it kinda makes sense given his form the past few years), hideki, but especially cam.

President Biden fist bumped the guy who watched that killing on FaceTime.  But Pat Perez is the problem here.

I know reading can be difficult but these are clearly two different points. One on the politics and one on the competition 

Biden should have karate chopped him in the face. I don't understand why he didn't do that. 

Lerxst1992

bootlegger10 said:

We will see on the competition. More than likely it will never become anything meaningful from a competition perspective.  

Will have to wait and see.  Maybe the team style will catch on over a decade.  It would be neat to have team rivalries grow and maybe some trades or splits over the years that will add some excitement to the game.    Agree right now it is all about money for the players. 

Competition? How is a guaranteed payday from our gas gouging going to be good for competition? These golfers are literally gouging you and me.

The Juggler

Lerxst1992 said:

bootlegger10 said:

We will see on the competition. More than likely it will never become anything meaningful from a competition perspective.  

Will have to wait and see.  Maybe the team style will catch on over a decade.  It would be neat to have team rivalries grow and maybe some trades or splits over the years that will add some excitement to the game.    Agree right now it is all about money for the players. 

Competition? How is a guaranteed payday from our gas gouging going to be good for competition? These golfers are literally gouging you and me.

Yeah. Seems like their main motivation is more money (guaranteed) for less golf. That competitive fire will undoubtedly dwindle. 

Indifference71

Finau!  Feels like we've been waiting forever for him to break out like this.  Good for him....love seeing a dude who grew up dirt poor playing at his local muni make it this far.

bootlegger10

Lerxst1992 said:

bootlegger10 said:

We will see on the competition. More than likely it will never become anything meaningful from a competition perspective.  

Will have to wait and see.  Maybe the team style will catch on over a decade.  It would be neat to have team rivalries grow and maybe some trades or splits over the years that will add some excitement to the game.    Agree right now it is all about money for the players. 

Competition? How is a guaranteed payday from our gas gouging going to be good for competition? These golfers are literally gouging you and me.

How much guaranteed money does Aaron Rodgers make?  What about every baseball contract with guaranteed money?  This is not the first sport with guaranteed money.  Are we bitching about those sports?

A lot of rich people are motivated by becoming richer.  

bootlegger10

Indifference71 said:

Finau!  Feels like we've been waiting forever for him to break out like this.  Good for him....love seeing a dude who grew up dirt poor playing at his local muni make it this far.

Yeah, it is nice to have that monkey completely off his back now.  Still needs that marquee win but having 3-4 wins is big.

The Juggler

The guaranteed portion of Rogers' salary is $59 million. Far cry from these golfers getting paid well more to play 8 times a year.
And baseball players play 162 games a season and spend half the year away from their families. These golfers are crying about 8+ weeks out of the year. Sports contracts have been insane for years, but the revenue baseball, football, and basketball leagues make completely dwarfs this exhibition golf league that's not even televised on traditional tv so the contracts, while insane, are still within reason, relatively speaking. LIV, on the other hand is handing out 100's and 10's of millions of dollars to anyone who wants it, it seems. 

Lots of apples to something else comparisons going on here....

“What these players are doing for guaranteed money, what is the incentive to practice?” Woods said. “What is the incentive to go out there and earn it in the dirt? You're just getting paid a lot of money up front and playing a few events and playing 54 holes. They're playing blaring music and have all these atmospheres that are different. I can understand 54 holes is almost like a mandate when you get to the senior tour. The guys are little bit older and a little more banged up. But when you're at this young age and some of these kids—they really are kids who have gone from amateur golf into that organization—72-hole tests are part of it. We used to have 36-hole playoffs for major championships. That's how it used to be, 18-hole U.S. Open playoffs.

“I just don't see how that move is positive in the long term for a lot of these players, especially if the LIV organization doesn't get World Ranking points and the major championships change their criteria for entering the events. It would be sad to see some of these young kids never get a chance to experience it and experience what we've got a chance to experience and walk these hallowed grounds and play in these championships.”

Indifference71

The "Let's go Brandon" chants at the LIV event this weekend were a nice touch.  I thought all the MAGA assholes wanted to keep politics out of sports?!?

The Juggler

Indifference71 said:

The "Let's go Brandon" chants at the LIV event this weekend were a nice touch.  I thought all the MAGA assholes wanted to keep politics out of sports?!?

Excellent way to further alienate a huge portion of golf fans too.