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  • __ Posts: 6,651
    scb wrote:
    ENGLISH LESSON FOR TODAY: "Illegal" is an adjective, not a noun.

    If you're going to live in our country, please show some respect and learn the language.
    exactly...when did "illegals" become a common plural noun??? probably about the same time "nuclear" became "nukuler"...

    I think its use as a noun is (or at least was originally) meant to dehumanize the people to whom it refers.
  • KatKat There's a lot to be said for nowhere.Posts: 3,537
    I always think of the view from the space shuttles and the moon and how when you look at our beautiful planet from that perspective, there are no lines drawn in the soil.

    That's all...just a thought I have often lately.

    signed,
    Citizen of Earth
    (who wishes there was time to join the discussion further. x)
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  • memememe Posts: 4,692
    Kat wrote:
    I always think of the view from the space shuttles and the moon and how when you look at our beautiful planet from that perspective, there are no lines drawn in the soil.

    That's all...just a thought I have often lately.

    signed,
    Citizen of Earth
    (who wishes there was time to join the discussion further. x)

    Oh, when I saw the name of the last poster I thought the thread had degenerated and was going to be closed. But no, she comes in peace!

    I think we need to acknowledge that citizenship in certain countries nowadays is a privilege, and we have little to offer as justification for keeping it all to ourselves.
    ... and the will to show I will always be better than before.
  • know1know1 Posts: 6,554
    Kat wrote:
    I always think of the view from the space shuttles and the moon and how when you look at our beautiful planet from that perspective, there are no lines drawn in the soil.

    That's all...just a thought I have often lately.

    signed,
    Citizen of Earth
    (who wishes there was time to join the discussion further. x)

    Yep - that's what I said earlier. People are people. They should be able to go and live and work and join society wherever they choose with a minimum of hassle.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Kat wrote:
    I always think of the view from the space shuttles and the moon and how when you look at our beautiful planet from that perspective, there are no lines drawn in the soil.

    That's all...just a thought I have often lately.

    signed,
    Citizen of Earth
    (who wishes there was time to join the discussion further. x)

    Exactly.

    As Bill Hicks pointed out, the world is round.
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  • arqarq Posts: 7,855
    Kat wrote:
    I always think of the view from the space shuttles and the moon and how when you look at our beautiful planet from that perspective, there are no lines drawn in the soil.

    That's all...just a thought I have often lately.

    signed,
    Citizen of Earth
    (who wishes there was time to join the discussion further. x)
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  • Dirtie_FrankDirtie_Frank Posts: 1,337
    scb wrote:
    ENGLISH LESSON FOR TODAY: "Illegal" is an adjective, not a noun.

    If you're going to live in our country, please show some respect and learn the language.

    That goes for the illegal aliens to right? :roll:
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  • Eliot RosewaterEliot Rosewater Posts: 2,684
    Kat wrote:
    I always think of the view from the space shuttles and the moon and how when you look at our beautiful planet from that perspective, there are no lines drawn in the soil.

    That's all...just a thought I have often lately.

    signed,
    Citizen of Earth
    (who wishes there was time to join the discussion further. x)
    Amen, sister.
  • acoustic guyacoustic guy Posts: 3,770
    Kat wrote:
    I always think of the view from the space shuttles and the moon and how when you look at our beautiful planet from that perspective, there are no lines drawn in the soil.

    That's all...just a thought I have often lately.

    signed,
    Citizen of Earth
    (who wishes there was time to join the discussion further. x)
    If only it was that simple......
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  • Eliot RosewaterEliot Rosewater Posts: 2,684
    Kat wrote:
    I always think of the view from the space shuttles and the moon and how when you look at our beautiful planet from that perspective, there are no lines drawn in the soil.

    That's all...just a thought I have often lately.

    signed,
    Citizen of Earth
    (who wishes there was time to join the discussion further. x)
    If only it was that simple......
    It certainly can be that simple.
  • dimitrispearljamdimitrispearljam NINUNINOPROPosts: 135,916
    Kat wrote:
    I always think of the view from the space shuttles and the moon and how when you look at our beautiful planet from that perspective, there are no lines drawn in the soil.

    That's all...just a thought I have often lately.

    signed,
    Citizen of Earth
    (who wishes there was time to join the discussion further. x)
    If only it was that simple......
    true that ,but u know what?we can all be ok and live happy..im not giving up..ill try to do my best from my spot
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  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Kat wrote:
    I always think of the view from the space shuttles and the moon and how when you look at our beautiful planet from that perspective, there are no lines drawn in the soil.

    That's all...just a thought I have often lately.

    signed,
    Citizen of Earth
    (who wishes there was time to join the discussion further. x)
    If only it was that simple......

    It is that simple. It's a choice you can make. It's called evolution. I mean it's not as if a country or a flag is a real, tangible thing anyway. They're just ideas in your head. We just need to move beyond these abstract notions and see the bigger picture. The poor black farmer in Africa is no less your brother than the accountant living next door. We all share the same planet, and we all have a very limited time on this Earth to do so.
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  • arqarq Posts: 7,855
    Byrnzie wrote:
    ...It is that simple. It's a choice you can make. It's called evolution...
    A journey of a thousand miles starts with one step...
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  • redrockredrock Posts: 18,335
    edited May 2010
    Byrnzie wrote:
    It is that simple. It's a choice you can make. It's called evolution. I mean it's not as if a country or a flag is a real, tangible thing anyway. They're just ideas in your head. We just need to move beyond these abstract notions and see the bigger picture. The poor black farmer in Africa is no less your brother than the accountant living next door. We all share the same planet, and we all have a very limited time on this Earth to do so.

    My family is 'multi-national' (very!), I have lived and worked in various countries and all I can say is that think it may be easier for those who have travelled a lot and lived outside their 'home' country to understand this. Blinkers are then removed and one can really see that all these borders are 'artificial'. We all aspire to the same things: happiness, health, a good life. We have no right to tell someone they cannot hope to achieve this because they are not doing it in what is deemed their homeland. Free movement made us, enriched us - why this need to curtail it?
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  • arqarq Posts: 7,855
    redrock wrote:
    ...it may be easier for those who have traveled a lot and lived outside their 'home' country to understand this. Blinkers are then removed and one can really see that all these borders are 'artificial'.?...

    Couldn't agree more, you have to step outside your "comfort zone" (country), once you live outside your country you begin to appreciate more your own country but at the same time you start to see what's wrong with those believe we hang on to for too long, they start to appear somehow silly, also you start to see the people for what they are (human beings) not for where they come from.
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  • people are always gonna see their immediate family and friends as most important, and the level of indifference radiating out from there. when there are ten billion peolpe crawling around on Erath in 50 years, thats only gonna get stronger.
  • cajunkiwicajunkiwi Posts: 984
    scb wrote:
    ENGLISH LESSON FOR TODAY: "Illegal" is an adjective, not a noun.

    If you're going to live in our country, please show some respect and learn the language.

    That goes for the illegal aliens to right? :roll:

    It most definitely goes for people who don't know the to/too/two rule who think they can pass judgment on another person's language skills.
    And I listen for the voice inside my head... nothing. I'll do this one myself.
  • cajunkiwicajunkiwi Posts: 984
    battan1120 wrote:
    Illegal immigrants will soon be known as undocumented democrats

    That would aaaaaaaaaaaaalmost be humorous if it wasn't for the fact that Obama is deporting more illegal immigrants from Mexico than Bush did.
    And I listen for the voice inside my head... nothing. I'll do this one myself.
  • cajunkiwicajunkiwi Posts: 984
    well without immigration i wouldnt be living in australia.... so im all for it.
    So how did you come to live there?
    Do you have a Green Card? Is it the same process to live there then here?

    Is it as easy to get into Oz as it is to get into NZ? If you are young and have a college degree, we'll do everything short of pay your mortgage for you lol I'm all for immigration too, as long as the person is contributing to society - and as far as I'm concerned, a guy mowing lawns or building a house is contributing just as much as a CEO (possibly moreso - landscapers don't run ponzi schemes).

    Without going into too much detail again, it's bloody damn near impossible to get into America legally - the whole system is set up to keep people out. USCIS makes rules on a whim and then doesn't follow them, they charge an arm and a leg for the most mundane things - and then make you repeat the mundane things at every step of the way (and charge you anew each time).

    I have a hunch, just my gut feeling, that if more Americans knew just what you had to go through to get into this country legally, then they wouldn't take such a harsh view of the people who come in illegally.
    And I listen for the voice inside my head... nothing. I'll do this one myself.
  • arqarq Posts: 7,855
    cajunkiwi wrote:
    Is it as easy to get into Oz as it is to get into NZ? If you are young and have a college degree, we'll do everything short of pay your mortgage for you lol ...

    Well well NZ sounds interesting!!! Pearl Jam still tours around that area, my best friend live in australia and my brother in law too... Still the USA is a my second home now.

    I love this country but you're right I've paid almost $20,000 on immigration and 6 years of my life and I'm not even a resident :cry: I'm just a legal alien but with no rights or benefits, plus i pay taxes and i invest a in this country since i arrived I've been traveling to see PJ and Ed here in the USA so that should count as an investment, does it?
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  • cajunkiwicajunkiwi Posts: 984
    Kat wrote:
    I always think of the view from the space shuttles and the moon and how when you look at our beautiful planet from that perspective, there are no lines drawn in the soil.

    That's all...just a thought I have often lately.

    signed,
    Citizen of Earth
    (who wishes there was time to join the discussion further. x)

    The way I see it, personally, is that too many people see themselves as Citizens of Earth last. They see themselves in terms of their family, their neighborhood, their city, their state, their country, their continent, and then their planet.

    I've traveled to a lot of different places in this world, and the one thing that's stood out to me is that, ultimately, we're all the same. We all bleed red, we all have the same basic needs (except for nudists who skip the "clothing" step), and everyone outside of New Zealand thinks Marmite tastes horrible (and you're all WRONG!)

    But at some point, some people decided that the little variances, the things that make us different, are bad. You may bleed red, but if your eyes are slanted then you're untrustworthy. You may need food to survive, but if your skin is too dark then you're probably not smart enough to get it for yourself. If you don't speak the same language as me, then I don't want you anywhere near me.

    Racism is a messed up combination of arrogance and fear - the arrogance to think that your way of life is the "right" one, and the fear that you might have to tweak your way of life to accommodate someone else's at some point.

    And on that note, the next time I'm back in New Zealand I think I'm going to build a huge sign outside Auckland airport that says "IF YOU CAN'T SPELL COLOUR AND METRE CORRECTLY THEN YOU'RE NOT WELCOME HERE." I can't stand these primitives who aren't advanced enough to figure out the metric system :lol:
    And I listen for the voice inside my head... nothing. I'll do this one myself.
  • cajunkiwicajunkiwi Posts: 984
    arq wrote:
    cajunkiwi wrote:
    Is it as easy to get into Oz as it is to get into NZ? If you are young and have a college degree, we'll do everything short of pay your mortgage for you lol ...

    Well well NZ sounds interesting!!! Pearl Jam still tours around that area, my best friend live in australia and my brother in law too... Still the USA is a my second home now.

    I love this country but you're right I've paid almost $20,000 on immigration and 6 years of my life and I'm not even a resident :cry: I'm just a legal alien but with no rights or benefits, plus i pay taxes and i invest a in this country since i arrived I've been traveling to see PJ and Ed here in the USA so that should count as an investment, does it?

    Take that up with USCIS - maybe they'll give you a PJ-related discount :lol:

    For me it's three years and several thousand dollars and counting, and I only just recently became a resident - and I got in the "easy" way, by marrying an American.
    And I listen for the voice inside my head... nothing. I'll do this one myself.
  • MoonTurtleMoonTurtle Posts: 744
    what r u guys paying for?


    cajunkiwi wrote:
    arq wrote:
    cajunkiwi wrote:
    Is it as easy to get into Oz as it is to get into NZ? If you are young and have a college degree, we'll do everything short of pay your mortgage for you lol ...

    Well well NZ sounds interesting!!! Pearl Jam still tours around that area, my best friend live in australia and my brother in law too... Still the USA is a my second home now.

    I love this country but you're right I've paid almost $20,000 on immigration and 6 years of my life and I'm not even a resident :cry: I'm just a legal alien but with no rights or benefits, plus i pay taxes and i invest a in this country since i arrived I've been traveling to see PJ and Ed here in the USA so that should count as an investment, does it?

    Take that up with USCIS - maybe they'll give you a PJ-related discount :lol:

    For me it's three years and several thousand dollars and counting, and I only just recently became a resident - and I got in the "easy" way, by marrying an American.
  • this is off topic maybe, but can legal residents still be deported? my next door neighbor is a dog racist (or anti-dog-ite) and i need to have her removed. i think she is from Austria or something.
  • arqarq Posts: 7,855
    MrSmith wrote:
    this is off topic maybe, but can legal residents still be deported? my next door neighbor is a dog racist (or anti-dog-ite) and i need to have her removed. i think she is from Austria or something.

    Yes they can be deported, only citizens can't be kicked out of the country :geek:
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  • arq wrote:
    MrSmith wrote:
    this is off topic maybe, but can legal residents still be deported? my next door neighbor is a dog racist (or anti-dog-ite) and i need to have her removed. i think she is from Austria or something.

    Yes they can be deported, only citizens can't be kicked out of the country :geek:
    oh i meant citizen. thats good that they cant, but bad for my dog!
  • WobbieWobbie Posts: 24,861
    even though I live in a hotbed of illegal aliens, it's not really a burning issue with me. but, in the end, if you don't want them here, quit giving them work. some of the loudest opposition comes from the same people who employ them..........pouring their concrete, mowing their yards, cleaning their houses, etc. :problem:
    If I had known then what I know now...

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  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    MrSmith wrote:
    this is off topic maybe, but can legal residents still be deported? my next door neighbor is a dog racist (or anti-dog-ite) and i need to have her removed. i think she is from Austria or something.

    'Dogist'?
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  • CorsoCorso so poor I can't afford to comment on the PJ forumPosts: 201
    edited May 2010
    Is it as easy to get into Oz as it is to get into NZ? If you are young and have a college degree, we'll do everything short of pay your mortgage for you lol I'm all for immigration too, as long as the person is contributing to society

    interesting....
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  • SmellymanSmellyman AsiaPosts: 3,625
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Kat wrote:
    I always think of the view from the space shuttles and the moon and how when you look at our beautiful planet from that perspective, there are no lines drawn in the soil.

    That's all...just a thought I have often lately.

    signed,
    Citizen of Earth
    (who wishes there was time to join the discussion further. x)
    If only it was that simple......

    It is that simple. It's a choice you can make. It's called evolution. I mean it's not as if a country or a flag is a real, tangible thing anyway. They're just ideas in your head. We just need to move beyond these abstract notions and see the bigger picture. The poor black farmer in Africa is no less your brother than the accountant living next door. We all share the same planet, and we all have a very limited time on this Earth to do so.

    I talked to a guy recently, ex military man, and he said my life is more important than others since I am American. We live in Hong Kong so I pointed to the table next to us and said if given the choice you would kill all 10 of those people for me. Answer, "yes"

    He took it farther and said he would kill 100,000 non Americans for me.

    I was stunned. I would kill myself before that.

    Absolutely amazing that being born somewhere would make you more important than another human born somewhere else....
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