Has there been a statement made by the da explaining the rationale behind the decision? And what was the exact charge, what degree of assault or was it something along the lines of simple assault Etc. That's the kind of thing that would factor into whether or not bill was requested or not, right?
The original article posted has quotes from the DA, governor, police union. Even mentions how “release without bail” has reduced repeat offenders and how this particular incident is a rarity. But you know, fauxrage because of the “other.”
In that same article, the chief seems to contradict the DA and states "This was a bail eligible offense, why bail wasn't asked for, we don't have an answer for that, but the judge also had an opportunity to step in and remand them to Rikers -- now these four are on a bus, the whole system needs to be looked at," said Chief of Patrol John Chell. Also, I disagree with the DA that it is working. I've never heard repeat offenders are down, but even if it is, major crime overall is way up. So maybe more people are seeing it as a free pass on your first offense, get their one freebie and don't repeat? Is repeat offenders only down because first time offenders are up, and second time offenders are the same? That might actually be the case, I'm not sure how else you get overall crime up but repeat offenders down. That's not a stat I'd be bragging about. They claimed to have more video that what has been shown on the media, so I'm not sure what more evidence they thought they needed to offer bail. The only one they decided was bail worthy was the original offender who resisted arrest and started it. I think running up and blind-siding a cop with a foot to the face is deserving too.
Do you have a link to a source to back your claim that, “major crime overall is way up?”
& if (when?) Russia takes over Ukraine, and continues on to a NATO country forcing us to send troops, Biden will get blamed for that too.
Unless the very stable genius gets reelected and follows through with his wish to pull us out of NATO, which would be a whole other set of problems for us, but I digress.
The absolute funniest part of this is that the GOP forced this shit show upon themselves... they tied border measures to Ukraine funding, and then exposed themselves when they backed away. It's not just human lives they're fucking with, it's our national security, but whatever... as long as libz are owned and Republicans retain power, nothing else matters.
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Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,389
Has there been a statement made by the da explaining the rationale behind the decision? And what was the exact charge, what degree of assault or was it something along the lines of simple assault Etc. That's the kind of thing that would factor into whether or not bill was requested or not, right?
The original article posted has quotes from the DA, governor, police union. Even mentions how “release without bail” has reduced repeat offenders and how this particular incident is a rarity. But you know, fauxrage because of the “other.”
In that same article, the chief seems to contradict the DA and states "This was a bail eligible offense, why bail wasn't asked for, we don't have an answer for that, but the judge also had an opportunity to step in and remand them to Rikers -- now these four are on a bus, the whole system needs to be looked at," said Chief of Patrol John Chell. Also, I disagree with the DA that it is working. I've never heard repeat offenders are down, but even if it is, major crime overall is way up. So maybe more people are seeing it as a free pass on your first offense, get their one freebie and don't repeat? Is repeat offenders only down because first time offenders are up, and second time offenders are the same? That might actually be the case, I'm not sure how else you get overall crime up but repeat offenders down. That's not a stat I'd be bragging about. They claimed to have more video that what has been shown on the media, so I'm not sure what more evidence they thought they needed to offer bail. The only one they decided was bail worthy was the original offender who resisted arrest and started it. I think running up and blind-siding a cop with a foot to the face is deserving too.
Do you have a link to a source to back your claim that, “major crime overall is way up?”
He might have one from a couple years ago. Here is the reality that the right wing media does not want it's consumers to realize
Most people think the U.S. crime rate is rising. They're wrong.
Almost 80 percent of Americans, and 92 percent of Republicans, think crime has gone up. It actually fell in 2023. An expert blames a familiar culprit for the mistaken impression.
Thieves ransack a Southern California mall in August.TNLA via NBC Los Angeles
Crime in the United States has declined significantly over the last year, according to new FBI data that contradicts a widespread national perception that law-breaking and violence are on the rise.
A Gallup poll released this month found that 77% of Americans believe crime rates are worsening, but they are mistaken, the new FBI data and other statistics show.
The FBI data, which compares crime rates in the third quarter of 2023 to the same period last year, found that violent crime dropped 8%, while property crime fell 6.3% to what would be its lowest level since 1961, according to criminologist Jeff Asher, who analyzed the FBI numbers.
Murder plummeted in the United States in 2023 at one of the fastest rates of decline ever recorded, Asher found, and every category of major crime except auto theft declined.
Yet 92% of Republicans, 78% of independents and 58% of Democrats believe crime is rising, the Gallup survey shows.
“I think we’ve been conditioned, and we have no way of countering the idea” that crime is rising,” Asher said. “It’s just an overwhelming number of news media stories and viral videos — I have to believe that social media is playing a role.”
The FBI’s quarterly numbers cover about 78% of the U.S. population and don’t give as full a picture as the more comprehensive annual report the FBI puts out once a year. But Asher said the quarterly reports in the past have hewed fairly close to the annual ones.
The most recent annual report, released in October, covered 94% of the country and found that violent crime in 2022 fell back to pre-pandemic levels, with murder dropping 6.1%.
Asher maintains a separate database of murder in big cities which found that murder is down 12.7 percent this year, after rising during the pandemic.
Detroit is on pace to have the fewest murders since 1966, Asher found, while Baltimore and St Louis are on track to post the fewest murders in each city in nearly a decade. A few cities, including Memphis and Washington DC, are still seeing increases in their murder rates, but they are outliers.
FBI data doesn’t have a separate category for retail theft. It falls under “larceny,” which declined overall last year, according to the latest numbers. Retail theft is widely believed to have skyrocketed in some cities, and the industry says it is at “unprecedented” levels. But the data doesn’t necessarily support that thesis.
FBI numbers are not the only measure of crime. The annual Justice Department survey of criminal victimization in 2022 found that a lot of crime goes unreported, and that more people reported being victims of violent crime in 2022 than in 2021. But Asher has documented questions about that survey’s methodology.
So why are Americans’ perceptions about crime so different from the apparent reality? Asher believes there is a measure of partisanship at work — Republicans are more ready to believe crime is increasing while Democrats hold the White House — but he largely chalks it up to media consumption.
“My neighbors never post on NextDoor how many thousands of packages they successfully receive,” he wrote recently. “Only video of the one that randomly got swiped.”
Asher and other analysts say the natural tendency of the news media to highlight disturbing crime stories — and the tendency of those stories to go viral on social media — presents a false but persuasive picture.
Videos of flash mobs on shop lifting sprees or carjackings in broad day light are more ubiquitous, even if those crimes are not.
“These outlier incidents become the glue people rely on when guesstimating whether crime is up or down,” he wrote.
& if (when?) Russia takes over Ukraine, and continues on to a NATO country forcing us to send troops, Biden will get blamed for that too.
Unless the very stable genius gets reelected and follows through with his wish to pull us out of NATO, which would be a whole other set of problems for us, but I digress.
The absolute funniest part of this is that the GOP forced this shit show upon themselves... they tied border measures to Ukraine funding, and then exposed themselves when they backed away. It's not just human lives they're fucking with, it's our national security, but whatever... as long as libz are owned and Republicans retain power, nothing else matters.
Brandon called their bluff and Dems by dropping the dreamers. Chaos agents. But they were out maneuvered by the repubs.
& if (when?) Russia takes over Ukraine, and continues on to a NATO country forcing us to send troops, Biden will get blamed for that too.
Unless the very stable genius gets reelected and follows through with his wish to pull us out of NATO, which would be a whole other set of problems for us, but I digress.
The absolute funniest part of this is that the GOP forced this shit show upon themselves... they tied border measures to Ukraine funding, and then exposed themselves when they backed away. It's not just human lives they're fucking with, it's our national security, but whatever... as long as libz are owned and Republicans retain power, nothing else matters.
I recall recently Rubio and a House member attached a rider to a bill, must pass, preventing a president from pulling out of nato without congressional approval. it could still be possible it couldnt be done unilaterally.
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Has there been a statement made by the da explaining the rationale behind the decision? And what was the exact charge, what degree of assault or was it something along the lines of simple assault Etc. That's the kind of thing that would factor into whether or not bill was requested or not, right?
The original article posted has quotes from the DA, governor, police union. Even mentions how “release without bail” has reduced repeat offenders and how this particular incident is a rarity. But you know, fauxrage because of the “other.”
In that same article, the chief seems to contradict the DA and states "This was a bail eligible offense, why bail wasn't asked for, we don't have an answer for that, but the judge also had an opportunity to step in and remand them to Rikers -- now these four are on a bus, the whole system needs to be looked at," said Chief of Patrol John Chell. Also, I disagree with the DA that it is working. I've never heard repeat offenders are down, but even if it is, major crime overall is way up. So maybe more people are seeing it as a free pass on your first offense, get their one freebie and don't repeat? Is repeat offenders only down because first time offenders are up, and second time offenders are the same? That might actually be the case, I'm not sure how else you get overall crime up but repeat offenders down. That's not a stat I'd be bragging about. They claimed to have more video that what has been shown on the media, so I'm not sure what more evidence they thought they needed to offer bail. The only one they decided was bail worthy was the original offender who resisted arrest and started it. I think running up and blind-siding a cop with a foot to the face is deserving too.
Do you have a link to a source to back your claim that, “major crime overall is way up?”
He might have one from a couple years ago. Here is the reality that the right wing media does not want it's consumers to realize
Most people think the U.S. crime rate is rising. They're wrong.
Almost 80 percent of Americans, and 92 percent of Republicans, think crime has gone up. It actually fell in 2023. An expert blames a familiar culprit for the mistaken impression.
Thieves ransack a Southern California mall in August.TNLA via NBC Los Angeles
Crime in the United States has declined significantly over the last year, according to new FBI data that contradicts a widespread national perception that law-breaking and violence are on the rise.
A Gallup poll released this month found that 77% of Americans believe crime rates are worsening, but they are mistaken, the new FBI data and other statistics show.
The FBI data, which compares crime rates in the third quarter of 2023 to the same period last year, found that violent crime dropped 8%, while property crime fell 6.3% to what would be its lowest level since 1961, according to criminologist Jeff Asher, who analyzed the FBI numbers.
Murder plummeted in the United States in 2023 at one of the fastest rates of decline ever recorded, Asher found, and every category of major crime except auto theft declined.
Yet 92% of Republicans, 78% of independents and 58% of Democrats believe crime is rising, the Gallup survey shows.
“I think we’ve been conditioned, and we have no way of countering the idea” that crime is rising,” Asher said. “It’s just an overwhelming number of news media stories and viral videos — I have to believe that social media is playing a role.”
The FBI’s quarterly numbers cover about 78% of the U.S. population and don’t give as full a picture as the more comprehensive annual report the FBI puts out once a year. But Asher said the quarterly reports in the past have hewed fairly close to the annual ones.
The most recent annual report, released in October, covered 94% of the country and found that violent crime in 2022 fell back to pre-pandemic levels, with murder dropping 6.1%.
Asher maintains a separate database of murder in big cities which found that murder is down 12.7 percent this year, after rising during the pandemic.
Detroit is on pace to have the fewest murders since 1966, Asher found, while Baltimore and St Louis are on track to post the fewest murders in each city in nearly a decade. A few cities, including Memphis and Washington DC, are still seeing increases in their murder rates, but they are outliers.
FBI data doesn’t have a separate category for retail theft. It falls under “larceny,” which declined overall last year, according to the latest numbers. Retail theft is widely believed to have skyrocketed in some cities, and the industry says it is at “unprecedented” levels. But the data doesn’t necessarily support that thesis.
FBI numbers are not the only measure of crime. The annual Justice Department survey of criminal victimization in 2022 found that a lot of crime goes unreported, and that more people reported being victims of violent crime in 2022 than in 2021. But Asher has documented questions about that survey’s methodology.
So why are Americans’ perceptions about crime so different from the apparent reality? Asher believes there is a measure of partisanship at work — Republicans are more ready to believe crime is increasing while Democrats hold the White House — but he largely chalks it up to media consumption.
“My neighbors never post on NextDoor how many thousands of packages they successfully receive,” he wrote recently. “Only video of the one that randomly got swiped.”
Asher and other analysts say the natural tendency of the news media to highlight disturbing crime stories — and the tendency of those stories to go viral on social media — presents a false but persuasive picture.
Videos of flash mobs on shop lifting sprees or carjackings in broad day light are more ubiquitous, even if those crimes are not.
“These outlier incidents become the glue people rely on when guesstimating whether crime is up or down,” he wrote.
huh. crimes going down while the economy is doing better? gotta be a coincidence, right?
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Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,389
Has there been a statement made by the da explaining the rationale behind the decision? And what was the exact charge, what degree of assault or was it something along the lines of simple assault Etc. That's the kind of thing that would factor into whether or not bill was requested or not, right?
The original article posted has quotes from the DA, governor, police union. Even mentions how “release without bail” has reduced repeat offenders and how this particular incident is a rarity. But you know, fauxrage because of the “other.”
In that same article, the chief seems to contradict the DA and states "This was a bail eligible offense, why bail wasn't asked for, we don't have an answer for that, but the judge also had an opportunity to step in and remand them to Rikers -- now these four are on a bus, the whole system needs to be looked at," said Chief of Patrol John Chell. Also, I disagree with the DA that it is working. I've never heard repeat offenders are down, but even if it is, major crime overall is way up. So maybe more people are seeing it as a free pass on your first offense, get their one freebie and don't repeat? Is repeat offenders only down because first time offenders are up, and second time offenders are the same? That might actually be the case, I'm not sure how else you get overall crime up but repeat offenders down. That's not a stat I'd be bragging about. They claimed to have more video that what has been shown on the media, so I'm not sure what more evidence they thought they needed to offer bail. The only one they decided was bail worthy was the original offender who resisted arrest and started it. I think running up and blind-siding a cop with a foot to the face is deserving too.
Do you have a link to a source to back your claim that, “major crime overall is way up?”
He might have one from a couple years ago. Here is the reality that the right wing media does not want it's consumers to realize
Most people think the U.S. crime rate is rising. They're wrong.
Almost 80 percent of Americans, and 92 percent of Republicans, think crime has gone up. It actually fell in 2023. An expert blames a familiar culprit for the mistaken impression.
Thieves ransack a Southern California mall in August.TNLA via NBC Los Angeles
Crime in the United States has declined significantly over the last year, according to new FBI data that contradicts a widespread national perception that law-breaking and violence are on the rise.
A Gallup poll released this month found that 77% of Americans believe crime rates are worsening, but they are mistaken, the new FBI data and other statistics show.
The FBI data, which compares crime rates in the third quarter of 2023 to the same period last year, found that violent crime dropped 8%, while property crime fell 6.3% to what would be its lowest level since 1961, according to criminologist Jeff Asher, who analyzed the FBI numbers.
Murder plummeted in the United States in 2023 at one of the fastest rates of decline ever recorded, Asher found, and every category of major crime except auto theft declined.
Yet 92% of Republicans, 78% of independents and 58% of Democrats believe crime is rising, the Gallup survey shows.
“I think we’ve been conditioned, and we have no way of countering the idea” that crime is rising,” Asher said. “It’s just an overwhelming number of news media stories and viral videos — I have to believe that social media is playing a role.”
The FBI’s quarterly numbers cover about 78% of the U.S. population and don’t give as full a picture as the more comprehensive annual report the FBI puts out once a year. But Asher said the quarterly reports in the past have hewed fairly close to the annual ones.
The most recent annual report, released in October, covered 94% of the country and found that violent crime in 2022 fell back to pre-pandemic levels, with murder dropping 6.1%.
Asher maintains a separate database of murder in big cities which found that murder is down 12.7 percent this year, after rising during the pandemic.
Detroit is on pace to have the fewest murders since 1966, Asher found, while Baltimore and St Louis are on track to post the fewest murders in each city in nearly a decade. A few cities, including Memphis and Washington DC, are still seeing increases in their murder rates, but they are outliers.
FBI data doesn’t have a separate category for retail theft. It falls under “larceny,” which declined overall last year, according to the latest numbers. Retail theft is widely believed to have skyrocketed in some cities, and the industry says it is at “unprecedented” levels. But the data doesn’t necessarily support that thesis.
FBI numbers are not the only measure of crime. The annual Justice Department survey of criminal victimization in 2022 found that a lot of crime goes unreported, and that more people reported being victims of violent crime in 2022 than in 2021. But Asher has documented questions about that survey’s methodology.
So why are Americans’ perceptions about crime so different from the apparent reality? Asher believes there is a measure of partisanship at work — Republicans are more ready to believe crime is increasing while Democrats hold the White House — but he largely chalks it up to media consumption.
“My neighbors never post on NextDoor how many thousands of packages they successfully receive,” he wrote recently. “Only video of the one that randomly got swiped.”
Asher and other analysts say the natural tendency of the news media to highlight disturbing crime stories — and the tendency of those stories to go viral on social media — presents a false but persuasive picture.
Videos of flash mobs on shop lifting sprees or carjackings in broad day light are more ubiquitous, even if those crimes are not.
“These outlier incidents become the glue people rely on when guesstimating whether crime is up or down,” he wrote.
huh. crimes going down while the economy is doing better? gotta be a coincidence, right?
And this thread is a microcosm of the country right now where people either don't realize it, don't believe it, or just don't care and want to continue blaming Biden for everything.
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Has there been a statement made by the da explaining the rationale behind the decision? And what was the exact charge, what degree of assault or was it something along the lines of simple assault Etc. That's the kind of thing that would factor into whether or not bill was requested or not, right?
The original article posted has quotes from the DA, governor, police union. Even mentions how “release without bail” has reduced repeat offenders and how this particular incident is a rarity. But you know, fauxrage because of the “other.”
In that same article, the chief seems to contradict the DA and states "This was a bail eligible offense, why bail wasn't asked for, we don't have an answer for that, but the judge also had an opportunity to step in and remand them to Rikers -- now these four are on a bus, the whole system needs to be looked at," said Chief of Patrol John Chell. Also, I disagree with the DA that it is working. I've never heard repeat offenders are down, but even if it is, major crime overall is way up. So maybe more people are seeing it as a free pass on your first offense, get their one freebie and don't repeat? Is repeat offenders only down because first time offenders are up, and second time offenders are the same? That might actually be the case, I'm not sure how else you get overall crime up but repeat offenders down. That's not a stat I'd be bragging about. They claimed to have more video that what has been shown on the media, so I'm not sure what more evidence they thought they needed to offer bail. The only one they decided was bail worthy was the original offender who resisted arrest and started it. I think running up and blind-siding a cop with a foot to the face is deserving too.
Do you have a link to a source to back your claim that, “major crime overall is way up?”
He might have one from a couple years ago. Here is the reality that the right wing media does not want it's consumers to realize
Most people think the U.S. crime rate is rising. They're wrong.
Almost 80 percent of Americans, and 92 percent of Republicans, think crime has gone up. It actually fell in 2023. An expert blames a familiar culprit for the mistaken impression.
Thieves ransack a Southern California mall in August.TNLA via NBC Los Angeles
Crime in the United States has declined significantly over the last year, according to new FBI data that contradicts a widespread national perception that law-breaking and violence are on the rise.
A Gallup poll released this month found that 77% of Americans believe crime rates are worsening, but they are mistaken, the new FBI data and other statistics show.
The FBI data, which compares crime rates in the third quarter of 2023 to the same period last year, found that violent crime dropped 8%, while property crime fell 6.3% to what would be its lowest level since 1961, according to criminologist Jeff Asher, who analyzed the FBI numbers.
Murder plummeted in the United States in 2023 at one of the fastest rates of decline ever recorded, Asher found, and every category of major crime except auto theft declined.
Yet 92% of Republicans, 78% of independents and 58% of Democrats believe crime is rising, the Gallup survey shows.
“I think we’ve been conditioned, and we have no way of countering the idea” that crime is rising,” Asher said. “It’s just an overwhelming number of news media stories and viral videos — I have to believe that social media is playing a role.”
The FBI’s quarterly numbers cover about 78% of the U.S. population and don’t give as full a picture as the more comprehensive annual report the FBI puts out once a year. But Asher said the quarterly reports in the past have hewed fairly close to the annual ones.
The most recent annual report, released in October, covered 94% of the country and found that violent crime in 2022 fell back to pre-pandemic levels, with murder dropping 6.1%.
Asher maintains a separate database of murder in big cities which found that murder is down 12.7 percent this year, after rising during the pandemic.
Detroit is on pace to have the fewest murders since 1966, Asher found, while Baltimore and St Louis are on track to post the fewest murders in each city in nearly a decade. A few cities, including Memphis and Washington DC, are still seeing increases in their murder rates, but they are outliers.
FBI data doesn’t have a separate category for retail theft. It falls under “larceny,” which declined overall last year, according to the latest numbers. Retail theft is widely believed to have skyrocketed in some cities, and the industry says it is at “unprecedented” levels. But the data doesn’t necessarily support that thesis.
FBI numbers are not the only measure of crime. The annual Justice Department survey of criminal victimization in 2022 found that a lot of crime goes unreported, and that more people reported being victims of violent crime in 2022 than in 2021. But Asher has documented questions about that survey’s methodology.
So why are Americans’ perceptions about crime so different from the apparent reality? Asher believes there is a measure of partisanship at work — Republicans are more ready to believe crime is increasing while Democrats hold the White House — but he largely chalks it up to media consumption.
“My neighbors never post on NextDoor how many thousands of packages they successfully receive,” he wrote recently. “Only video of the one that randomly got swiped.”
Asher and other analysts say the natural tendency of the news media to highlight disturbing crime stories — and the tendency of those stories to go viral on social media — presents a false but persuasive picture.
Videos of flash mobs on shop lifting sprees or carjackings in broad day light are more ubiquitous, even if those crimes are not.
“These outlier incidents become the glue people rely on when guesstimating whether crime is up or down,” he wrote.
huh. crimes going down while the economy is doing better? gotta be a coincidence, right?
And this thread is a microcosm of the country right now where people either don't realize it, don't believe it, or just don't care and want to continue blaming Biden for everything.
Messaging works and the mainstream media and democrats don’t know how to weaponize it like the right does. Every newspaper in the country should have “The GOP Border *Crisis*” plastered across the front page, but they’re afraid to appear biased.
Unfortunately, reality is biased against gop talking points, but somehow we have to entertain their bullshit regardless.
Has there been a statement made by the da explaining the rationale behind the decision? And what was the exact charge, what degree of assault or was it something along the lines of simple assault Etc. That's the kind of thing that would factor into whether or not bill was requested or not, right?
The original article posted has quotes from the DA, governor, police union. Even mentions how “release without bail” has reduced repeat offenders and how this particular incident is a rarity. But you know, fauxrage because of the “other.”
In that same article, the chief seems to contradict the DA and states "This was a bail eligible offense, why bail wasn't asked for, we don't have an answer for that, but the judge also had an opportunity to step in and remand them to Rikers -- now these four are on a bus, the whole system needs to be looked at," said Chief of Patrol John Chell. Also, I disagree with the DA that it is working. I've never heard repeat offenders are down, but even if it is, major crime overall is way up. So maybe more people are seeing it as a free pass on your first offense, get their one freebie and don't repeat? Is repeat offenders only down because first time offenders are up, and second time offenders are the same? That might actually be the case, I'm not sure how else you get overall crime up but repeat offenders down. That's not a stat I'd be bragging about. They claimed to have more video that what has been shown on the media, so I'm not sure what more evidence they thought they needed to offer bail. The only one they decided was bail worthy was the original offender who resisted arrest and started it. I think running up and blind-siding a cop with a foot to the face is deserving too.
Do you have a link to a source to back your claim that, “major crime overall is way up?”
He might have one from a couple years ago. Here is the reality that the right wing media does not want it's consumers to realize
Most people think the U.S. crime rate is rising. They're wrong.
Almost 80 percent of Americans, and 92 percent of Republicans, think crime has gone up. It actually fell in 2023. An expert blames a familiar culprit for the mistaken impression.
Thieves ransack a Southern California mall in August.TNLA via NBC Los Angeles
Crime in the United States has declined significantly over the last year, according to new FBI data that contradicts a widespread national perception that law-breaking and violence are on the rise.
A Gallup poll released this month found that 77% of Americans believe crime rates are worsening, but they are mistaken, the new FBI data and other statistics show.
The FBI data, which compares crime rates in the third quarter of 2023 to the same period last year, found that violent crime dropped 8%, while property crime fell 6.3% to what would be its lowest level since 1961, according to criminologist Jeff Asher, who analyzed the FBI numbers.
Murder plummeted in the United States in 2023 at one of the fastest rates of decline ever recorded, Asher found, and every category of major crime except auto theft declined.
Yet 92% of Republicans, 78% of independents and 58% of Democrats believe crime is rising, the Gallup survey shows.
“I think we’ve been conditioned, and we have no way of countering the idea” that crime is rising,” Asher said. “It’s just an overwhelming number of news media stories and viral videos — I have to believe that social media is playing a role.”
The FBI’s quarterly numbers cover about 78% of the U.S. population and don’t give as full a picture as the more comprehensive annual report the FBI puts out once a year. But Asher said the quarterly reports in the past have hewed fairly close to the annual ones.
The most recent annual report, released in October, covered 94% of the country and found that violent crime in 2022 fell back to pre-pandemic levels, with murder dropping 6.1%.
Asher maintains a separate database of murder in big cities which found that murder is down 12.7 percent this year, after rising during the pandemic.
Detroit is on pace to have the fewest murders since 1966, Asher found, while Baltimore and St Louis are on track to post the fewest murders in each city in nearly a decade. A few cities, including Memphis and Washington DC, are still seeing increases in their murder rates, but they are outliers.
FBI data doesn’t have a separate category for retail theft. It falls under “larceny,” which declined overall last year, according to the latest numbers. Retail theft is widely believed to have skyrocketed in some cities, and the industry says it is at “unprecedented” levels. But the data doesn’t necessarily support that thesis.
FBI numbers are not the only measure of crime. The annual Justice Department survey of criminal victimization in 2022 found that a lot of crime goes unreported, and that more people reported being victims of violent crime in 2022 than in 2021. But Asher has documented questions about that survey’s methodology.
So why are Americans’ perceptions about crime so different from the apparent reality? Asher believes there is a measure of partisanship at work — Republicans are more ready to believe crime is increasing while Democrats hold the White House — but he largely chalks it up to media consumption.
“My neighbors never post on NextDoor how many thousands of packages they successfully receive,” he wrote recently. “Only video of the one that randomly got swiped.”
Asher and other analysts say the natural tendency of the news media to highlight disturbing crime stories — and the tendency of those stories to go viral on social media — presents a false but persuasive picture.
Videos of flash mobs on shop lifting sprees or carjackings in broad day light are more ubiquitous, even if those crimes are not.
“These outlier incidents become the glue people rely on when guesstimating whether crime is up or down,” he wrote.
huh. crimes going down while the economy is doing better? gotta be a coincidence, right?
And this thread is a microcosm of the country right now where people either don't realize it, don't believe it, or just don't care and want to continue blaming Biden for everything.
Messaging works and the mainstream media and democrats don’t know how to weaponize it like the right does. Every newspaper in the country should have “The GOP Border *Crisis*” plastered across the front page, but they’re afraid to appear biased.
Unfortunately, reality is biased against gop talking points, but somehow we have to entertain their bullshit regardless.
Media is increasingly owned by right wing mega donors, particularly small, local markets. Gone are the town/city council and local sports reporting and more of the canned message THAT CRIME IS OUT OF CONTROL AND MAJOR CRIME OVERALL IS WAY UP!
She did a great job here. But the disingenuousness just oozes out of these people's mouths with such ease.
This guy also repeatedly talked about how the immigration numbers were so low in 2017, Trump's first year....conveniently forgetting that those numbers dropped significantly during the Obama administration and then spiked during the Trump administration until Covid hit.
Maga republicans are full of shit. Shit up to their eye balls. Every fucking subject matter. Shit everywhere you look....you just have to open your eyes.
Has there been a statement made by the da explaining the rationale behind the decision? And what was the exact charge, what degree of assault or was it something along the lines of simple assault Etc. That's the kind of thing that would factor into whether or not bill was requested or not, right?
The original article posted has quotes from the DA, governor, police union. Even mentions how “release without bail” has reduced repeat offenders and how this particular incident is a rarity. But you know, fauxrage because of the “other.”
In that same article, the chief seems to contradict the DA and states "This was a bail eligible offense, why bail wasn't asked for, we don't have an answer for that, but the judge also had an opportunity to step in and remand them to Rikers -- now these four are on a bus, the whole system needs to be looked at," said Chief of Patrol John Chell. Also, I disagree with the DA that it is working. I've never heard repeat offenders are down, but even if it is, major crime overall is way up. So maybe more people are seeing it as a free pass on your first offense, get their one freebie and don't repeat? Is repeat offenders only down because first time offenders are up, and second time offenders are the same? That might actually be the case, I'm not sure how else you get overall crime up but repeat offenders down. That's not a stat I'd be bragging about. They claimed to have more video that what has been shown on the media, so I'm not sure what more evidence they thought they needed to offer bail. The only one they decided was bail worthy was the original offender who resisted arrest and started it. I think running up and blind-siding a cop with a foot to the face is deserving too.
Do you have a link to a source to back your claim that, “major crime overall is way up?”
He might have one from a couple years ago. Here is the reality that the right wing media does not want it's consumers to realize
Most people think the U.S. crime rate is rising. They're wrong.
Almost 80 percent of Americans, and 92 percent of Republicans, think crime has gone up. It actually fell in 2023. An expert blames a familiar culprit for the mistaken impression.
Thieves ransack a Southern California mall in August.TNLA via NBC Los Angeles
Crime in the United States has declined significantly over the last year, according to new FBI data that contradicts a widespread national perception that law-breaking and violence are on the rise.
A Gallup poll released this month found that 77% of Americans believe crime rates are worsening, but they are mistaken, the new FBI data and other statistics show.
The FBI data, which compares crime rates in the third quarter of 2023 to the same period last year, found that violent crime dropped 8%, while property crime fell 6.3% to what would be its lowest level since 1961, according to criminologist Jeff Asher, who analyzed the FBI numbers.
Murder plummeted in the United States in 2023 at one of the fastest rates of decline ever recorded, Asher found, and every category of major crime except auto theft declined.
Yet 92% of Republicans, 78% of independents and 58% of Democrats believe crime is rising, the Gallup survey shows.
“I think we’ve been conditioned, and we have no way of countering the idea” that crime is rising,” Asher said. “It’s just an overwhelming number of news media stories and viral videos — I have to believe that social media is playing a role.”
The FBI’s quarterly numbers cover about 78% of the U.S. population and don’t give as full a picture as the more comprehensive annual report the FBI puts out once a year. But Asher said the quarterly reports in the past have hewed fairly close to the annual ones.
The most recent annual report, released in October, covered 94% of the country and found that violent crime in 2022 fell back to pre-pandemic levels, with murder dropping 6.1%.
Asher maintains a separate database of murder in big cities which found that murder is down 12.7 percent this year, after rising during the pandemic.
Detroit is on pace to have the fewest murders since 1966, Asher found, while Baltimore and St Louis are on track to post the fewest murders in each city in nearly a decade. A few cities, including Memphis and Washington DC, are still seeing increases in their murder rates, but they are outliers.
FBI data doesn’t have a separate category for retail theft. It falls under “larceny,” which declined overall last year, according to the latest numbers. Retail theft is widely believed to have skyrocketed in some cities, and the industry says it is at “unprecedented” levels. But the data doesn’t necessarily support that thesis.
FBI numbers are not the only measure of crime. The annual Justice Department survey of criminal victimization in 2022 found that a lot of crime goes unreported, and that more people reported being victims of violent crime in 2022 than in 2021. But Asher has documented questions about that survey’s methodology.
So why are Americans’ perceptions about crime so different from the apparent reality? Asher believes there is a measure of partisanship at work — Republicans are more ready to believe crime is increasing while Democrats hold the White House — but he largely chalks it up to media consumption.
“My neighbors never post on NextDoor how many thousands of packages they successfully receive,” he wrote recently. “Only video of the one that randomly got swiped.”
Asher and other analysts say the natural tendency of the news media to highlight disturbing crime stories — and the tendency of those stories to go viral on social media — presents a false but persuasive picture.
Videos of flash mobs on shop lifting sprees or carjackings in broad day light are more ubiquitous, even if those crimes are not.
“These outlier incidents become the glue people rely on when guesstimating whether crime is up or down,” he wrote.
Actually, you are correct. Crime has dropped slightly in the last year or so. But it rose much quicker in the several years prior.
There are a million different crime stats, depending on what crime is being considered, if they factor in unreported crime, what year they compare it to, etc. Stats that compare December 2023 to December 2022 show a slight decrease. But compare it to December 2019 and there's a bigger spike. Crime is down overall compared to the 90s. But compared to several years ago, its up again
Has there been a statement made by the da explaining the rationale behind the decision? And what was the exact charge, what degree of assault or was it something along the lines of simple assault Etc. That's the kind of thing that would factor into whether or not bill was requested or not, right?
The original article posted has quotes from the DA, governor, police union. Even mentions how “release without bail” has reduced repeat offenders and how this particular incident is a rarity. But you know, fauxrage because of the “other.”
In that same article, the chief seems to contradict the DA and states "This was a bail eligible offense, why bail wasn't asked for, we don't have an answer for that, but the judge also had an opportunity to step in and remand them to Rikers -- now these four are on a bus, the whole system needs to be looked at," said Chief of Patrol John Chell. Also, I disagree with the DA that it is working. I've never heard repeat offenders are down, but even if it is, major crime overall is way up. So maybe more people are seeing it as a free pass on your first offense, get their one freebie and don't repeat? Is repeat offenders only down because first time offenders are up, and second time offenders are the same? That might actually be the case, I'm not sure how else you get overall crime up but repeat offenders down. That's not a stat I'd be bragging about. They claimed to have more video that what has been shown on the media, so I'm not sure what more evidence they thought they needed to offer bail. The only one they decided was bail worthy was the original offender who resisted arrest and started it. I think running up and blind-siding a cop with a foot to the face is deserving too.
Do you have a link to a source to back your claim that, “major crime overall is way up?”
He might have one from a couple years ago. Here is the reality that the right wing media does not want it's consumers to realize
Most people think the U.S. crime rate is rising. They're wrong.
Almost 80 percent of Americans, and 92 percent of Republicans, think crime has gone up. It actually fell in 2023. An expert blames a familiar culprit for the mistaken impression.
Thieves ransack a Southern California mall in August.TNLA via NBC Los Angeles
Crime in the United States has declined significantly over the last year, according to new FBI data that contradicts a widespread national perception that law-breaking and violence are on the rise.
A Gallup poll released this month found that 77% of Americans believe crime rates are worsening, but they are mistaken, the new FBI data and other statistics show.
The FBI data, which compares crime rates in the third quarter of 2023 to the same period last year, found that violent crime dropped 8%, while property crime fell 6.3% to what would be its lowest level since 1961, according to criminologist Jeff Asher, who analyzed the FBI numbers.
Murder plummeted in the United States in 2023 at one of the fastest rates of decline ever recorded, Asher found, and every category of major crime except auto theft declined.
Yet 92% of Republicans, 78% of independents and 58% of Democrats believe crime is rising, the Gallup survey shows.
“I think we’ve been conditioned, and we have no way of countering the idea” that crime is rising,” Asher said. “It’s just an overwhelming number of news media stories and viral videos — I have to believe that social media is playing a role.”
The FBI’s quarterly numbers cover about 78% of the U.S. population and don’t give as full a picture as the more comprehensive annual report the FBI puts out once a year. But Asher said the quarterly reports in the past have hewed fairly close to the annual ones.
The most recent annual report, released in October, covered 94% of the country and found that violent crime in 2022 fell back to pre-pandemic levels, with murder dropping 6.1%.
Asher maintains a separate database of murder in big cities which found that murder is down 12.7 percent this year, after rising during the pandemic.
Detroit is on pace to have the fewest murders since 1966, Asher found, while Baltimore and St Louis are on track to post the fewest murders in each city in nearly a decade. A few cities, including Memphis and Washington DC, are still seeing increases in their murder rates, but they are outliers.
FBI data doesn’t have a separate category for retail theft. It falls under “larceny,” which declined overall last year, according to the latest numbers. Retail theft is widely believed to have skyrocketed in some cities, and the industry says it is at “unprecedented” levels. But the data doesn’t necessarily support that thesis.
FBI numbers are not the only measure of crime. The annual Justice Department survey of criminal victimization in 2022 found that a lot of crime goes unreported, and that more people reported being victims of violent crime in 2022 than in 2021. But Asher has documented questions about that survey’s methodology.
So why are Americans’ perceptions about crime so different from the apparent reality? Asher believes there is a measure of partisanship at work — Republicans are more ready to believe crime is increasing while Democrats hold the White House — but he largely chalks it up to media consumption.
“My neighbors never post on NextDoor how many thousands of packages they successfully receive,” he wrote recently. “Only video of the one that randomly got swiped.”
Asher and other analysts say the natural tendency of the news media to highlight disturbing crime stories — and the tendency of those stories to go viral on social media — presents a false but persuasive picture.
Videos of flash mobs on shop lifting sprees or carjackings in broad day light are more ubiquitous, even if those crimes are not.
“These outlier incidents become the glue people rely on when guesstimating whether crime is up or down,” he wrote.
Actually, you are correct. Crime has dropped slightly in the last year or so. But it rose much quicker in the several years prior.
There are a million different crime stats, depending on what crime is being considered, if they factor in unreported crime, what year they compare it to, etc. Stats that compare December 2023 to December 2022 show a slight decrease. But compare it to December 2019 and there's a bigger spike. Crime is down overall compared to the 90s. But compared to several years ago, its up again
Has there been a statement made by the da explaining the rationale behind the decision? And what was the exact charge, what degree of assault or was it something along the lines of simple assault Etc. That's the kind of thing that would factor into whether or not bill was requested or not, right?
The original article posted has quotes from the DA, governor, police union. Even mentions how “release without bail” has reduced repeat offenders and how this particular incident is a rarity. But you know, fauxrage because of the “other.”
In that same article, the chief seems to contradict the DA and states "This was a bail eligible offense, why bail wasn't asked for, we don't have an answer for that, but the judge also had an opportunity to step in and remand them to Rikers -- now these four are on a bus, the whole system needs to be looked at," said Chief of Patrol John Chell. Also, I disagree with the DA that it is working. I've never heard repeat offenders are down, but even if it is, major crime overall is way up. So maybe more people are seeing it as a free pass on your first offense, get their one freebie and don't repeat? Is repeat offenders only down because first time offenders are up, and second time offenders are the same? That might actually be the case, I'm not sure how else you get overall crime up but repeat offenders down. That's not a stat I'd be bragging about. They claimed to have more video that what has been shown on the media, so I'm not sure what more evidence they thought they needed to offer bail. The only one they decided was bail worthy was the original offender who resisted arrest and started it. I think running up and blind-siding a cop with a foot to the face is deserving too.
Do you have a link to a source to back your claim that, “major crime overall is way up?”
He might have one from a couple years ago. Here is the reality that the right wing media does not want it's consumers to realize
Most people think the U.S. crime rate is rising. They're wrong.
Almost 80 percent of Americans, and 92 percent of Republicans, think crime has gone up. It actually fell in 2023. An expert blames a familiar culprit for the mistaken impression.
Thieves ransack a Southern California mall in August.TNLA via NBC Los Angeles
Crime in the United States has declined significantly over the last year, according to new FBI data that contradicts a widespread national perception that law-breaking and violence are on the rise.
A Gallup poll released this month found that 77% of Americans believe crime rates are worsening, but they are mistaken, the new FBI data and other statistics show.
The FBI data, which compares crime rates in the third quarter of 2023 to the same period last year, found that violent crime dropped 8%, while property crime fell 6.3% to what would be its lowest level since 1961, according to criminologist Jeff Asher, who analyzed the FBI numbers.
Murder plummeted in the United States in 2023 at one of the fastest rates of decline ever recorded, Asher found, and every category of major crime except auto theft declined.
Yet 92% of Republicans, 78% of independents and 58% of Democrats believe crime is rising, the Gallup survey shows.
“I think we’ve been conditioned, and we have no way of countering the idea” that crime is rising,” Asher said. “It’s just an overwhelming number of news media stories and viral videos — I have to believe that social media is playing a role.”
The FBI’s quarterly numbers cover about 78% of the U.S. population and don’t give as full a picture as the more comprehensive annual report the FBI puts out once a year. But Asher said the quarterly reports in the past have hewed fairly close to the annual ones.
The most recent annual report, released in October, covered 94% of the country and found that violent crime in 2022 fell back to pre-pandemic levels, with murder dropping 6.1%.
Asher maintains a separate database of murder in big cities which found that murder is down 12.7 percent this year, after rising during the pandemic.
Detroit is on pace to have the fewest murders since 1966, Asher found, while Baltimore and St Louis are on track to post the fewest murders in each city in nearly a decade. A few cities, including Memphis and Washington DC, are still seeing increases in their murder rates, but they are outliers.
FBI data doesn’t have a separate category for retail theft. It falls under “larceny,” which declined overall last year, according to the latest numbers. Retail theft is widely believed to have skyrocketed in some cities, and the industry says it is at “unprecedented” levels. But the data doesn’t necessarily support that thesis.
FBI numbers are not the only measure of crime. The annual Justice Department survey of criminal victimization in 2022 found that a lot of crime goes unreported, and that more people reported being victims of violent crime in 2022 than in 2021. But Asher has documented questions about that survey’s methodology.
So why are Americans’ perceptions about crime so different from the apparent reality? Asher believes there is a measure of partisanship at work — Republicans are more ready to believe crime is increasing while Democrats hold the White House — but he largely chalks it up to media consumption.
“My neighbors never post on NextDoor how many thousands of packages they successfully receive,” he wrote recently. “Only video of the one that randomly got swiped.”
Asher and other analysts say the natural tendency of the news media to highlight disturbing crime stories — and the tendency of those stories to go viral on social media — presents a false but persuasive picture.
Videos of flash mobs on shop lifting sprees or carjackings in broad day light are more ubiquitous, even if those crimes are not.
“These outlier incidents become the glue people rely on when guesstimating whether crime is up or down,” he wrote.
Actually, you are correct. Crime has dropped slightly in the last year or so. But it rose much quicker in the several years prior.
There are a million different crime stats, depending on what crime is being considered, if they factor in unreported crime, what year they compare it to, etc. Stats that compare December 2023 to December 2022 show a slight decrease. But compare it to December 2019 and there's a bigger spike. Crime is down overall compared to the 90s. But compared to several years ago, its up again
Has there been a statement made by the da explaining the rationale behind the decision? And what was the exact charge, what degree of assault or was it something along the lines of simple assault Etc. That's the kind of thing that would factor into whether or not bill was requested or not, right?
The original article posted has quotes from the DA, governor, police union. Even mentions how “release without bail” has reduced repeat offenders and how this particular incident is a rarity. But you know, fauxrage because of the “other.”
In that same article, the chief seems to contradict the DA and states "This was a bail eligible offense, why bail wasn't asked for, we don't have an answer for that, but the judge also had an opportunity to step in and remand them to Rikers -- now these four are on a bus, the whole system needs to be looked at," said Chief of Patrol John Chell. Also, I disagree with the DA that it is working. I've never heard repeat offenders are down, but even if it is, major crime overall is way up. So maybe more people are seeing it as a free pass on your first offense, get their one freebie and don't repeat? Is repeat offenders only down because first time offenders are up, and second time offenders are the same? That might actually be the case, I'm not sure how else you get overall crime up but repeat offenders down. That's not a stat I'd be bragging about. They claimed to have more video that what has been shown on the media, so I'm not sure what more evidence they thought they needed to offer bail. The only one they decided was bail worthy was the original offender who resisted arrest and started it. I think running up and blind-siding a cop with a foot to the face is deserving too.
Do you have a link to a source to back your claim that, “major crime overall is way up?”
He might have one from a couple years ago. Here is the reality that the right wing media does not want it's consumers to realize
Most people think the U.S. crime rate is rising. They're wrong.
Almost 80 percent of Americans, and 92 percent of Republicans, think crime has gone up. It actually fell in 2023. An expert blames a familiar culprit for the mistaken impression.
Thieves ransack a Southern California mall in August.TNLA via NBC Los Angeles
Crime in the United States has declined significantly over the last year, according to new FBI data that contradicts a widespread national perception that law-breaking and violence are on the rise.
A Gallup poll released this month found that 77% of Americans believe crime rates are worsening, but they are mistaken, the new FBI data and other statistics show.
The FBI data, which compares crime rates in the third quarter of 2023 to the same period last year, found that violent crime dropped 8%, while property crime fell 6.3% to what would be its lowest level since 1961, according to criminologist Jeff Asher, who analyzed the FBI numbers.
Murder plummeted in the United States in 2023 at one of the fastest rates of decline ever recorded, Asher found, and every category of major crime except auto theft declined.
Yet 92% of Republicans, 78% of independents and 58% of Democrats believe crime is rising, the Gallup survey shows.
“I think we’ve been conditioned, and we have no way of countering the idea” that crime is rising,” Asher said. “It’s just an overwhelming number of news media stories and viral videos — I have to believe that social media is playing a role.”
The FBI’s quarterly numbers cover about 78% of the U.S. population and don’t give as full a picture as the more comprehensive annual report the FBI puts out once a year. But Asher said the quarterly reports in the past have hewed fairly close to the annual ones.
The most recent annual report, released in October, covered 94% of the country and found that violent crime in 2022 fell back to pre-pandemic levels, with murder dropping 6.1%.
Asher maintains a separate database of murder in big cities which found that murder is down 12.7 percent this year, after rising during the pandemic.
Detroit is on pace to have the fewest murders since 1966, Asher found, while Baltimore and St Louis are on track to post the fewest murders in each city in nearly a decade. A few cities, including Memphis and Washington DC, are still seeing increases in their murder rates, but they are outliers.
FBI data doesn’t have a separate category for retail theft. It falls under “larceny,” which declined overall last year, according to the latest numbers. Retail theft is widely believed to have skyrocketed in some cities, and the industry says it is at “unprecedented” levels. But the data doesn’t necessarily support that thesis.
FBI numbers are not the only measure of crime. The annual Justice Department survey of criminal victimization in 2022 found that a lot of crime goes unreported, and that more people reported being victims of violent crime in 2022 than in 2021. But Asher has documented questions about that survey’s methodology.
So why are Americans’ perceptions about crime so different from the apparent reality? Asher believes there is a measure of partisanship at work — Republicans are more ready to believe crime is increasing while Democrats hold the White House — but he largely chalks it up to media consumption.
“My neighbors never post on NextDoor how many thousands of packages they successfully receive,” he wrote recently. “Only video of the one that randomly got swiped.”
Asher and other analysts say the natural tendency of the news media to highlight disturbing crime stories — and the tendency of those stories to go viral on social media — presents a false but persuasive picture.
Videos of flash mobs on shop lifting sprees or carjackings in broad day light are more ubiquitous, even if those crimes are not.
“These outlier incidents become the glue people rely on when guesstimating whether crime is up or down,” he wrote.
Actually, you are correct. Crime has dropped slightly in the last year or so. But it rose much quicker in the several years prior.
There are a million different crime stats, depending on what crime is being considered, if they factor in unreported crime, what year they compare it to, etc. Stats that compare December 2023 to December 2022 show a slight decrease. But compare it to December 2019 and there's a bigger spike. Crime is down overall compared to the 90s. But compared to several years ago, its up again
Do you have a link to what you stated, “major crime overall is way up?”
Check the link to what you responded to. It compares it year by year, going back a few decades. It's higher now than in 2019. But lower compared to 2000.
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Has there been a statement made by the da explaining the rationale behind the decision? And what was the exact charge, what degree of assault or was it something along the lines of simple assault Etc. That's the kind of thing that would factor into whether or not bill was requested or not, right?
The original article posted has quotes from the DA, governor, police union. Even mentions how “release without bail” has reduced repeat offenders and how this particular incident is a rarity. But you know, fauxrage because of the “other.”
In that same article, the chief seems to contradict the DA and states "This was a bail eligible offense, why bail wasn't asked for, we don't have an answer for that, but the judge also had an opportunity to step in and remand them to Rikers -- now these four are on a bus, the whole system needs to be looked at," said Chief of Patrol John Chell. Also, I disagree with the DA that it is working. I've never heard repeat offenders are down, but even if it is, major crime overall is way up. So maybe more people are seeing it as a free pass on your first offense, get their one freebie and don't repeat? Is repeat offenders only down because first time offenders are up, and second time offenders are the same? That might actually be the case, I'm not sure how else you get overall crime up but repeat offenders down. That's not a stat I'd be bragging about. They claimed to have more video that what has been shown on the media, so I'm not sure what more evidence they thought they needed to offer bail. The only one they decided was bail worthy was the original offender who resisted arrest and started it. I think running up and blind-siding a cop with a foot to the face is deserving too.
Do you have a link to a source to back your claim that, “major crime overall is way up?”
He might have one from a couple years ago. Here is the reality that the right wing media does not want it's consumers to realize
Most people think the U.S. crime rate is rising. They're wrong.
Almost 80 percent of Americans, and 92 percent of Republicans, think crime has gone up. It actually fell in 2023. An expert blames a familiar culprit for the mistaken impression.
Thieves ransack a Southern California mall in August.TNLA via NBC Los Angeles
Crime in the United States has declined significantly over the last year, according to new FBI data that contradicts a widespread national perception that law-breaking and violence are on the rise.
A Gallup poll released this month found that 77% of Americans believe crime rates are worsening, but they are mistaken, the new FBI data and other statistics show.
The FBI data, which compares crime rates in the third quarter of 2023 to the same period last year, found that violent crime dropped 8%, while property crime fell 6.3% to what would be its lowest level since 1961, according to criminologist Jeff Asher, who analyzed the FBI numbers.
Murder plummeted in the United States in 2023 at one of the fastest rates of decline ever recorded, Asher found, and every category of major crime except auto theft declined.
Yet 92% of Republicans, 78% of independents and 58% of Democrats believe crime is rising, the Gallup survey shows.
“I think we’ve been conditioned, and we have no way of countering the idea” that crime is rising,” Asher said. “It’s just an overwhelming number of news media stories and viral videos — I have to believe that social media is playing a role.”
The FBI’s quarterly numbers cover about 78% of the U.S. population and don’t give as full a picture as the more comprehensive annual report the FBI puts out once a year. But Asher said the quarterly reports in the past have hewed fairly close to the annual ones.
The most recent annual report, released in October, covered 94% of the country and found that violent crime in 2022 fell back to pre-pandemic levels, with murder dropping 6.1%.
Asher maintains a separate database of murder in big cities which found that murder is down 12.7 percent this year, after rising during the pandemic.
Detroit is on pace to have the fewest murders since 1966, Asher found, while Baltimore and St Louis are on track to post the fewest murders in each city in nearly a decade. A few cities, including Memphis and Washington DC, are still seeing increases in their murder rates, but they are outliers.
FBI data doesn’t have a separate category for retail theft. It falls under “larceny,” which declined overall last year, according to the latest numbers. Retail theft is widely believed to have skyrocketed in some cities, and the industry says it is at “unprecedented” levels. But the data doesn’t necessarily support that thesis.
FBI numbers are not the only measure of crime. The annual Justice Department survey of criminal victimization in 2022 found that a lot of crime goes unreported, and that more people reported being victims of violent crime in 2022 than in 2021. But Asher has documented questions about that survey’s methodology.
So why are Americans’ perceptions about crime so different from the apparent reality? Asher believes there is a measure of partisanship at work — Republicans are more ready to believe crime is increasing while Democrats hold the White House — but he largely chalks it up to media consumption.
“My neighbors never post on NextDoor how many thousands of packages they successfully receive,” he wrote recently. “Only video of the one that randomly got swiped.”
Asher and other analysts say the natural tendency of the news media to highlight disturbing crime stories — and the tendency of those stories to go viral on social media — presents a false but persuasive picture.
Videos of flash mobs on shop lifting sprees or carjackings in broad day light are more ubiquitous, even if those crimes are not.
“These outlier incidents become the glue people rely on when guesstimating whether crime is up or down,” he wrote.
Actually, you are correct. Crime has dropped slightly in the last year or so. But it rose much quicker in the several years prior.
There are a million different crime stats, depending on what crime is being considered, if they factor in unreported crime, what year they compare it to, etc. Stats that compa re December 2023 to December 2022 show a slight decrease. But compare it to December 2019 and there's a bigger spike. Crime is down overall compared to the 90s. But compared to several years ago, its up again
Do you have a link to what you stated, “major crime overall is way up?”
No. As expected he included a link from a year ago about New York City...and attempted to twist himself into a pretzel trying to prove a point he already believes.
According to NYPD statistics, overall crime was down in New York City in 2023 by just under a percentage point compared to 2022. Both years saw more reported crimes compared to 2020 and 2021, but rates are lower compared to 2019, before COVID-19 pandemic lockdowns.
Murders are down 11.9%, with 386 far this year, as opposed to 438 murders in 2022. And rapes, burglaries and shootings have all seen double-digit percentage point decreases since 2022.
It's not all good news, however. The city has seen a 6.3% increase in assaults and a 15.0% increase in grand larceny. Stabbings and slashings are also up just over 5%, from 4318 in 2022 to 4553 through Dec. 18 of this year.
The city's subways have been the focus of most New Yorkers' crime anxieties, but according to the MTA, overall crime is down on the rails, although felony assaults have seen a slight jump.
Has there been a statement made by the da explaining the rationale behind the decision? And what was the exact charge, what degree of assault or was it something along the lines of simple assault Etc. That's the kind of thing that would factor into whether or not bill was requested or not, right?
The original article posted has quotes from the DA, governor, police union. Even mentions how “release without bail” has reduced repeat offenders and how this particular incident is a rarity. But you know, fauxrage because of the “other.”
In that same article, the chief seems to contradict the DA and states "This was a bail eligible offense, why bail wasn't asked for, we don't have an answer for that, but the judge also had an opportunity to step in and remand them to Rikers -- now these four are on a bus, the whole system needs to be looked at," said Chief of Patrol John Chell. Also, I disagree with the DA that it is working. I've never heard repeat offenders are down, but even if it is, major crime overall is way up. So maybe more people are seeing it as a free pass on your first offense, get their one freebie and don't repeat? Is repeat offenders only down because first time offenders are up, and second time offenders are the same? That might actually be the case, I'm not sure how else you get overall crime up but repeat offenders down. That's not a stat I'd be bragging about. They claimed to have more video that what has been shown on the media, so I'm not sure what more evidence they thought they needed to offer bail. The only one they decided was bail worthy was the original offender who resisted arrest and started it. I think running up and blind-siding a cop with a foot to the face is deserving too.
Do you have a link to a source to back your claim that, “major crime overall is way up?”
He might have one from a couple years ago. Here is the reality that the right wing media does not want it's consumers to realize
Most people think the U.S. crime rate is rising. They're wrong.
Almost 80 percent of Americans, and 92 percent of Republicans, think crime has gone up. It actually fell in 2023. An expert blames a familiar culprit for the mistaken impression.
Thieves ransack a Southern California mall in August.TNLA via NBC Los Angeles
Crime in the United States has declined significantly over the last year, according to new FBI data that contradicts a widespread national perception that law-breaking and violence are on the rise.
A Gallup poll released this month found that 77% of Americans believe crime rates are worsening, but they are mistaken, the new FBI data and other statistics show.
The FBI data, which compares crime rates in the third quarter of 2023 to the same period last year, found that violent crime dropped 8%, while property crime fell 6.3% to what would be its lowest level since 1961, according to criminologist Jeff Asher, who analyzed the FBI numbers.
Murder plummeted in the United States in 2023 at one of the fastest rates of decline ever recorded, Asher found, and every category of major crime except auto theft declined.
Yet 92% of Republicans, 78% of independents and 58% of Democrats believe crime is rising, the Gallup survey shows.
“I think we’ve been conditioned, and we have no way of countering the idea” that crime is rising,” Asher said. “It’s just an overwhelming number of news media stories and viral videos — I have to believe that social media is playing a role.”
The FBI’s quarterly numbers cover about 78% of the U.S. population and don’t give as full a picture as the more comprehensive annual report the FBI puts out once a year. But Asher said the quarterly reports in the past have hewed fairly close to the annual ones.
The most recent annual report, released in October, covered 94% of the country and found that violent crime in 2022 fell back to pre-pandemic levels, with murder dropping 6.1%.
Asher maintains a separate database of murder in big cities which found that murder is down 12.7 percent this year, after rising during the pandemic.
Detroit is on pace to have the fewest murders since 1966, Asher found, while Baltimore and St Louis are on track to post the fewest murders in each city in nearly a decade. A few cities, including Memphis and Washington DC, are still seeing increases in their murder rates, but they are outliers.
FBI data doesn’t have a separate category for retail theft. It falls under “larceny,” which declined overall last year, according to the latest numbers. Retail theft is widely believed to have skyrocketed in some cities, and the industry says it is at “unprecedented” levels. But the data doesn’t necessarily support that thesis.
FBI numbers are not the only measure of crime. The annual Justice Department survey of criminal victimization in 2022 found that a lot of crime goes unreported, and that more people reported being victims of violent crime in 2022 than in 2021. But Asher has documented questions about that survey’s methodology.
So why are Americans’ perceptions about crime so different from the apparent reality? Asher believes there is a measure of partisanship at work — Republicans are more ready to believe crime is increasing while Democrats hold the White House — but he largely chalks it up to media consumption.
“My neighbors never post on NextDoor how many thousands of packages they successfully receive,” he wrote recently. “Only video of the one that randomly got swiped.”
Asher and other analysts say the natural tendency of the news media to highlight disturbing crime stories — and the tendency of those stories to go viral on social media — presents a false but persuasive picture.
Videos of flash mobs on shop lifting sprees or carjackings in broad day light are more ubiquitous, even if those crimes are not.
“These outlier incidents become the glue people rely on when guesstimating whether crime is up or down,” he wrote.
Actually, you are correct. Crime has dropped slightly in the last year or so. But it rose much quicker in the several years prior.
There are a million different crime stats, depending on what crime is being considered, if they factor in unreported crime, what year they compare it to, etc. Stats that compa re December 2023 to December 2022 show a slight decrease. But compare it to December 2019 and there's a bigger spike. Crime is down overall compared to the 90s. But compared to several years ago, its up again
Do you have a link to what you stated, “major crime overall is way up?”
No. As expected he included a link from a year ago about New York City...and attempted to twist himself into a pretzel trying to prove a point he already believes.
According to NYPD statistics, overall crime was down in New York City in 2023 by just under a percentage point compared to 2022. Both years saw more reported crimes compared to 2020 and 2021, but rates are lower compared to 2019, before COVID-19 pandemic lockdowns.
Murders are down 11.9%, with 386 far this year, as opposed to 438 murders in 2022. And rapes, burglaries and shootings have all seen double-digit percentage point decreases since 2022.
It's not all good news, however. The city has seen a 6.3% increase in assaults and a 15.0% increase in grand larceny. Stabbings and slashings are also up just over 5%, from 4318 in 2022 to 4553 through Dec. 18 of this year.
The city's subways have been the focus of most New Yorkers' crime anxieties, but according to the MTA, overall crime is down on the rails, although felony assaults have seen a slight jump.
Total crime might be down, but most of the data I see tracking major crime all show its up since 2018/19 when they hit a low. major crime was on a clear downhill trend for about 20 years, then started back up again. None of these are back down to 2019 levels. So I guess all the petty crime is way down. Hardly anyone J-walking anymore. But these categories are up.
I wonder what roles the pandemic and the GOP's embrace of stochastic terrorism has had on those #s over the last 4 years.
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All due respect, mace....you are still referencing charts from the article you found from a year ago. Crime dropped in 2023. The article I listed is from December. Things are headed in the right direction here. When you have a once in a lifetime global pandemic that rattled so many people's lives, I would think it would take a while to get back to normal in so many faucets of life, but....yeah, man, that is what is happening right now. Both with crime and the economy. You won't see that stuff mentioned a lot in right wing media though---just like you won't hear them talk about how the republicans are doing absolutely nothing about the border.
All due respect, mace....you are still referencing charts from the article you found from a year ago. Crime dropped in 2023. The article I listed is from December. Things are headed in the right direction here. When you have a once in a lifetime global pandemic that rattled so many people's lives, I would think it would take a while to get back to normal in so many faucets of life, but....yeah, man, that is what is happening right now. Both with crime and the economy. You won't see that stuff mentioned a lot in right wing media though---just like you won't hear them talk about how the republicans are doing absolutely nothing about the border.
I don't disagree with that.
I also don't think it's wrong to say in major general crime has risen. 1 year of a slight decline doesn't erase 4 or 5 years of steady increase. 1 year isn't a trend. 4 or 5 years is. And the pandemic probably did play a role. And probably several other factors as well.
And just my personal belief, I can't find any data backing this up so I won't claim there is. I think unreported crime has risen. I saw that because in the last 2 years I've seen several times people taking entire shopping carts out of a store with the employees just yelling at them to bring it back. Myself or family had to call the police for crimes being committed in my neighborhood only to find out there's only 2 on duty police for the whole jurisdiction, and basically won't even respond to attempted burglary calls anymore. Like I said, that's just my perspective and I don't have any data, but I never once in my life saw people openly shoplift like that before 3 years ago. Now you can't buy deordarant in certain stores without it being locked up because of the shoplifting. And I'm not supposed to think it's a bigger problem? Why are some stores closing and the rest locking up more of their goods?
Also the decriminalization or lack of enforcement is going to lower the crime rates. In the last few years we lived in Denver we saw more tent cities pop up, we stopped going to the 16th street promenade. It used to be a beautiful place to take our kids, but within just a few years we would see needles, condoms, other things just laying around on the side walk every time we'd go. Not enforcing crime doesn't equal less crime.
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All due respect, mace....you are still referencing charts from the article you found from a year ago. Crime dropped in 2023. The article I listed is from December. Things are headed in the right direction here. When you have a once in a lifetime global pandemic that rattled so many people's lives, I would think it would take a while to get back to normal in so many faucets of life, but....yeah, man, that is what is happening right now. Both with crime and the economy. You won't see that stuff mentioned a lot in right wing media though---just like you won't hear them talk about how the republicans are doing absolutely nothing about the border.
I don't disagree with that.
I also don't think it's wrong to say in major general crime has risen. 1 year of a slight decline doesn't erase 4 or 5 years of steady increase. 1 year isn't a trend. 4 or 5 years is. And the pandemic probably did play a role. And probably several other factors as well.
And just my personal belief, I can't find any data backing this up so I won't claim there is. I think unreported crime has risen. I saw that because in the last 2 years I've seen several times people taking entire shopping carts out of a store with the employees just yelling at them to bring it back. Myself or family had to call the police for crimes being committed in my neighborhood only to find out there's only 2 on duty police for the whole jurisdiction, and basically won't even respond to attempted burglary calls anymore. Like I said, that's just my perspective and I don't have any data, but I never once in my life saw people openly shoplift like that before 3 years ago. Now you can't buy deordarant in certain stores without it being locked up because of the shoplifting. And I'm not supposed to think it's a bigger problem? Why are some stores closing and the rest locking up more of their goods?
Also the decriminalization or lack of enforcement is going to lower the crime rates. In the last few years we lived in Denver we saw more tent cities pop up, we stopped going to the 16th street promenade. It used to be a beautiful place to take our kids, but within just a few years we would see needles, condoms, other things just laying around on the side walk every time we'd go. Not enforcing crime doesn't equal less crime.
I'm sorry to ignore the bulk of your post regarding your personal beliefs but, as the statistics are showing, people's personal beliefs about what is happening both with crime and the economy is not in line with reality.
And saying the pandemic "probably" played a role made me chuckle. Gee, you think?! Where did the crime wave start to spike, mace? 2020. It played an enormous role. It upended the entire world. Unfortunately things take a while to get sorted out.
This fella has stats directly from the FBI...unfortunately, I am not sure if you will believe them or not. But the bottom line is things are improving as far as crime goes. Things are improving as far as the economy goes as well. And things would be improving at the border, if the republicans gave a shit about you or I.
It's Morning in American for those of us not caught up in the right wing ecosphere.
All due respect, mace....you are still referencing charts from the article you found from a year ago. Crime dropped in 2023. The article I listed is from December. Things are headed in the right direction here. When you have a once in a lifetime global pandemic that rattled so many people's lives, I would think it would take a while to get back to normal in so many faucets of life, but....yeah, man, that is what is happening right now. Both with crime and the economy. You won't see that stuff mentioned a lot in right wing media though---just like you won't hear them talk about how the republicans are doing absolutely nothing about the border.
I don't disagree with that.
I also don't think it's wrong to say in major general crime has risen. 1 year of a slight decline doesn't erase 4 or 5 years of steady increase. 1 year isn't a trend. 4 or 5 years is. And the pandemic probably did play a role. And probably several other factors as well.
And just my personal belief, I can't find any data backing this up so I won't claim there is. I think unreported crime has risen. I saw that because in the last 2 years I've seen several times people taking entire shopping carts out of a store with the employees just yelling at them to bring it back. Myself or family had to call the police for crimes being committed in my neighborhood only to find out there's only 2 on duty police for the whole jurisdiction, and basically won't even respond to attempted burglary calls anymore. Like I said, that's just my perspective and I don't have any data, but I never once in my life saw people openly shoplift like that before 3 years ago. Now you can't buy deordarant in certain stores without it being locked up because of the shoplifting. And I'm not supposed to think it's a bigger problem? Why are some stores closing and the rest locking up more of their goods?
Also the decriminalization or lack of enforcement is going to lower the crime rates. In the last few years we lived in Denver we saw more tent cities pop up, we stopped going to the 16th street promenade. It used to be a beautiful place to take our kids, but within just a few years we would see needles, condoms, other things just laying around on the side walk every time we'd go. Not enforcing crime doesn't equal less crime.
I'm sorry to ignore the bulk of your post regarding your personal beliefs but, as the statistics are showing, people's personal beliefs about what is happening both with crime and the economy is not in line with reality.
And saying the pandemic "probably" played a role made me chuckle. Gee, you think?! Where did the crime wave start to spike, mace? 2020. It played an enormous role. It upended the entire world. Unfortunately things take a while to get sorted out.
This fella has stats directly from the FBI...unfortunately, I am not sure if you will believe them or not. But the bottom line is things are improving as far as crime goes. Things are improving as far as the economy goes as well. And things would be improving at the border, if the republicans gave a shit about you or I.
It's Morning in American for those of us not caught up in the right wing ecosphere.
That trend is simply not true for NYC. Murder rates were lower in 2018 and 2019 that any year since. From Wikipedia on NYC crime
While I said they are down this year, they have not reached the years prior to the pandemic.
And yes, I said it "probably" played a role because there was a lot going on in 2020. In fact, crime was lower the first half of the year, when the pandemic was the focus.
Crime was on track to be higher at the beginning of the year, but right at March when the shut downs started, crime dropped below the previous year. So the pandemic was responsible for lower crime at the beginning. I couldn't find data for the whole year, but I'm pretty sure it matched, if not surpassed 2019 numbers for the second half of the year. It wasn't until the summer that crime approached the previous year's numbers. What was going on in the summer of 2020 that made crime spike again? You think it was all the pandemic still, the thing that dropped crime suddenly made crime spike?
I''m sure loosening restrictions and opening back up after being locked down for months played a role. But it definitely wasn't the only factor going on in the summer of 2020. And probably not even the biggest factor.
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"What was going on in the summer of 2020 that made crime spike again? You think it was all the pandemic still, the thing that dropped crime suddenly made crime spike?"
MILLIONS of people lost their jobs. MILLIONS of people were isolated from their friends, families and co-workers.
Saying a once in a lifetime pandemic that completely altered the face of the planet for multiple years only "probably" played a role is disingenuous to me. I'm sorry. It just is.
Ignoring the fact that crime is now decreasing, albeit not at the rate any of us would like...seems disingenuous as well.
And ignoring the fact that republicans had a chance TODAY to solve, or at least put a big dent, the border problem also seems disingenuous. to me.
"What was going on in the summer of 2020 that made crime spike again? You think it was all the pandemic still, the thing that dropped crime suddenly made crime spike?"
MILLIONS of people lost their jobs. MILLIONS of people were isolated from their friends, families and co-workers.
Saying a once in a lifetime pandemic that completely altered the face of the planet for multiple years only "probably" played a role is disingenuous to me. I'm sorry. It just is.
Ignoring the fact that crime is now decreasing, albeit not at the rate any of us would like...seems disingenuous as well.
And ignoring the fact that republicans had a chance TODAY to solve, or at least put a big dent, the border problem also seems disingenuous. to me.
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So, 4 times in the last 20 years, Republicans have killed bipartisan immigration reform.
That’s a decades long trend there… and people are still going to vote GOP because an immigrant beat up a cop in NY. It’s irrelevant that trump directed his mob to beat up the CPD on 1/6, those police don’t matter. It’s the cops getting beat up by immigrants that matter, so vote trump… he’s gonna build that wall.
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Unless the very stable genius gets reelected and follows through with his wish to pull us out of NATO, which would be a whole other set of problems for us, but I digress.
The absolute funniest part of this is that the GOP forced this shit show upon themselves... they tied border measures to Ukraine funding, and then exposed themselves when they backed away. It's not just human lives they're fucking with, it's our national security, but whatever... as long as libz are owned and Republicans retain power, nothing else matters.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/people-think-crime-rate-up-actually-down-rcna129585
Most people think the U.S. crime rate is rising. They're wrong.
Crime in the United States has declined significantly over the last year, according to new FBI data that contradicts a widespread national perception that law-breaking and violence are on the rise.
A Gallup poll released this month found that 77% of Americans believe crime rates are worsening, but they are mistaken, the new FBI data and other statistics show.
The FBI data, which compares crime rates in the third quarter of 2023 to the same period last year, found that violent crime dropped 8%, while property crime fell 6.3% to what would be its lowest level since 1961, according to criminologist Jeff Asher, who analyzed the FBI numbers.
Murder plummeted in the United States in 2023 at one of the fastest rates of decline ever recorded, Asher found, and every category of major crime except auto theft declined.
Yet 92% of Republicans, 78% of independents and 58% of Democrats believe crime is rising, the Gallup survey shows.
“I think we’ve been conditioned, and we have no way of countering the idea” that crime is rising,” Asher said. “It’s just an overwhelming number of news media stories and viral videos — I have to believe that social media is playing a role.”
The FBI’s quarterly numbers cover about 78% of the U.S. population and don’t give as full a picture as the more comprehensive annual report the FBI puts out once a year. But Asher said the quarterly reports in the past have hewed fairly close to the annual ones.
The most recent annual report, released in October, covered 94% of the country and found that violent crime in 2022 fell back to pre-pandemic levels, with murder dropping 6.1%.
Asher maintains a separate database of murder in big cities which found that murder is down 12.7 percent this year, after rising during the pandemic.
Detroit is on pace to have the fewest murders since 1966, Asher found, while Baltimore and St Louis are on track to post the fewest murders in each city in nearly a decade. A few cities, including Memphis and Washington DC, are still seeing increases in their murder rates, but they are outliers.
FBI data doesn’t have a separate category for retail theft. It falls under “larceny,” which declined overall last year, according to the latest numbers. Retail theft is widely believed to have skyrocketed in some cities, and the industry says it is at “unprecedented” levels. But the data doesn’t necessarily support that thesis.
FBI numbers are not the only measure of crime. The annual Justice Department survey of criminal victimization in 2022 found that a lot of crime goes unreported, and that more people reported being victims of violent crime in 2022 than in 2021. But Asher has documented questions about that survey’s methodology.
So why are Americans’ perceptions about crime so different from the apparent reality? Asher believes there is a measure of partisanship at work — Republicans are more ready to believe crime is increasing while Democrats hold the White House — but he largely chalks it up to media consumption.
“My neighbors never post on NextDoor how many thousands of packages they successfully receive,” he wrote recently. “Only video of the one that randomly got swiped.”
Asher and other analysts say the natural tendency of the news media to highlight disturbing crime stories — and the tendency of those stories to go viral on social media — presents a false but persuasive picture.
Videos of flash mobs on shop lifting sprees or carjackings in broad day light are more ubiquitous, even if those crimes are not.
“These outlier incidents become the glue people rely on when guesstimating whether crime is up or down,” he wrote.
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huh. crimes going down while the economy is doing better? gotta be a coincidence, right?
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This guy also repeatedly talked about how the immigration numbers were so low in 2017, Trump's first year....conveniently forgetting that those numbers dropped significantly during the Obama administration and then spiked during the Trump administration until Covid hit.
Maga republicans are full of shit. Shit up to their eye balls. Every fucking subject matter. Shit everywhere you look....you just have to open your eyes.
Huh
There are a million different crime stats, depending on what crime is being considered, if they factor in unreported crime, what year they compare it to, etc.
Stats that compare December 2023 to December 2022 show a slight decrease. But compare it to December 2019 and there's a bigger spike.
Crime is down overall compared to the 90s. But compared to several years ago, its up again
https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2023-opinion-how-livable-are-cities-three-years-after-start-of-covid/new-york-city.html
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Crime is dropping, and while it's still above pre-pandemic levels, it's still way better than it was decades ago.
That’s the brass tacks right there.
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Here is a more recent link about NYC crime rate
https://www.fox5ny.com/news/nyc-crime-rate-2023-statistics
2023 NYC crime stats
According to NYPD statistics, overall crime was down in New York City in 2023 by just under a percentage point compared to 2022. Both years saw more reported crimes compared to 2020 and 2021, but rates are lower compared to 2019, before COVID-19 pandemic lockdowns.
Murders are down 11.9%, with 386 far this year, as opposed to 438 murders in 2022. And rapes, burglaries and shootings have all seen double-digit percentage point decreases since 2022.
It's not all good news, however. The city has seen a 6.3% increase in assaults and a 15.0% increase in grand larceny. Stabbings and slashings are also up just over 5%, from 4318 in 2022 to 4553 through Dec. 18 of this year.
The city's subways have been the focus of most New Yorkers' crime anxieties, but according to the MTA, overall crime is down on the rails, although felony assaults have seen a slight jump.
major crime was on a clear downhill trend for about 20 years, then started back up again. None of these are back down to 2019 levels. So I guess all the petty crime is way down. Hardly anyone J-walking anymore. But these categories are up.
I wonder what roles the pandemic and the GOP's embrace of stochastic terrorism has had on those #s over the last 4 years.
I also don't think it's wrong to say in major general crime has risen. 1 year of a slight decline doesn't erase 4 or 5 years of steady increase. 1 year isn't a trend. 4 or 5 years is.
And the pandemic probably did play a role. And probably several other factors as well.
And just my personal belief, I can't find any data backing this up so I won't claim there is. I think unreported crime has risen. I saw that because in the last 2 years I've seen several times people taking entire shopping carts out of a store with the employees just yelling at them to bring it back. Myself or family had to call the police for crimes being committed in my neighborhood only to find out there's only 2 on duty police for the whole jurisdiction, and basically won't even respond to attempted burglary calls anymore.
Like I said, that's just my perspective and I don't have any data, but I never once in my life saw people openly shoplift like that before 3 years ago. Now you can't buy deordarant in certain stores without it being locked up because of the shoplifting. And I'm not supposed to think it's a bigger problem? Why are some stores closing and the rest locking up more of their goods?
Also the decriminalization or lack of enforcement is going to lower the crime rates. In the last few years we lived in Denver we saw more tent cities pop up, we stopped going to the 16th street promenade. It used to be a beautiful place to take our kids, but within just a few years we would see needles, condoms, other things just laying around on the side walk every time we'd go. Not enforcing crime doesn't equal less crime.
And saying the pandemic "probably" played a role made me chuckle. Gee, you think?! Where did the crime wave start to spike, mace? 2020. It played an enormous role. It upended the entire world. Unfortunately things take a while to get sorted out.
This fella has stats directly from the FBI...unfortunately, I am not sure if you will believe them or not. But the bottom line is things are improving as far as crime goes. Things are improving as far as the economy goes as well. And things would be improving at the border, if the republicans gave a shit about you or I.
It's Morning in American for those of us not caught up in the right wing ecosphere.
https://jasher.substack.com/p/crime-in-2023-murder-plummeted-violent#:~:text=Americans tend to think that,in more than 50 years.
From Wikipedia on NYC crime
While I said they are down this year, they have not reached the years prior to the pandemic.
And yes, I said it "probably" played a role because there was a lot going on in 2020.
In fact, crime was lower the first half of the year, when the pandemic was the focus.
https://capindex.com/covid-19-crime-new-york-city-crime-study-for-2020/
Crime was on track to be higher at the beginning of the year, but right at March when the shut downs started, crime dropped below the previous year. So the pandemic was responsible for lower crime at the beginning. I couldn't find data for the whole year, but I'm pretty sure it matched, if not surpassed 2019 numbers for the second half of the year.
It wasn't until the summer that crime approached the previous year's numbers. What was going on in the summer of 2020 that made crime spike again? You think it was all the pandemic still, the thing that dropped crime suddenly made crime spike?
I''m sure loosening restrictions and opening back up after being locked down for months played a role. But it definitely wasn't the only factor going on in the summer of 2020. And probably not even the biggest factor.
MILLIONS of people lost their jobs. MILLIONS of people were isolated from their friends, families and co-workers.
Saying a once in a lifetime pandemic that completely altered the face of the planet for multiple years only "probably" played a role is disingenuous to me. I'm sorry. It just is.
Ignoring the fact that crime is now decreasing, albeit not at the rate any of us would like...seems disingenuous as well.
And ignoring the fact that republicans had a chance TODAY to solve, or at least put a big dent, the border problem also seems disingenuous. to me.
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That’s a decades long trend there… and people are still going to vote GOP because an immigrant beat up a cop in NY. It’s irrelevant that trump directed his mob to beat up the CPD on 1/6, those police don’t matter. It’s the cops getting beat up by immigrants that matter, so vote trump… he’s gonna build that wall.