14 years and counting...

The Juggler

jimjam1982 said:

The Juggler said:

jimjam1982 said:

mickeyrat said:

jimjam1982 said:

Did you know that Biden won't secure the border via Executive Order because:

1) Census includes illegal aliens. 
2) Non-deported illegals gives the Democrats 20 or so House Seats every census period
3) House Seats determine how many electoral votes a state gets


https://www.census.gov/topics/population/foreign-born/about.html#:~:text=The Census Bureau collects data,the total foreign-born population.

https://www.archives.gov/electoral-college/allocation

Pretty blatant election interference and fraud.  By flooding illegals in Crazy Sleepy Joe is just trying to rig all future elections.

If you were subtract those seats:

1) the house would never be blue
2) the electoral votes would shift back to states with actual American Citizens
4) If NY and CA had appropriate populations they would get less electoral votes.

It's pretty cut and dry why they won't secure the border. The reason isn't humanity or whatever you choose to believe.

They want YOU to have less say in this country then the invaders. It's time for change.  If you ever wondered why sanctuary states exist, it's simply to rig an election with more electoral votes in blue states.

Trust that those rich people in Obama, Biden and Clinton neighborhoods despise these illegal people and don't want them in their home areas...but they need the votes so they roll with it and dump it on YOU, the less wealthy.  This was proven when illegals were sent to Martha's Vineyard and immediately evicted by the people who claim to embrace them.

Many of the commoner democrats with no money keep suckering along with it.  When do you wake up and realize you are being duped by your so called leaders? 

Republican veto of the recent bill was the right thing to do.  It didn't actually do anything favorable for the USA and her citizens. 

In the words of the great EV - Everybody else pays for someone else's mistakes.  

erm, cencus wont be taken for another 6 years. who was in charge during the last one?  stephen miller?

But that's the point.  They flood it now, disperse them to locations unknown and then in 6 years they have had 3 fucking babies each and you got 10million illegals floating around = house seats.

if you can't see that I feel bad for you. 

Have you seen any polling recently? Hispanics are backing Republicans more than they have in the past. This line of "thinking" has always been fucking moronic. It is even more so now. 

There is bipartisan legislation that would have the border closed right now that maga republicans are blatantly ignoring solely because they believe not solving the problem is better for them politically.

Maga is full of open border globalist pigs. 

 It has nothing to do with how they vote. It's about creating seats in the HoR which in turn creates electoral votes which in turns pads the number for NY and CA and other sanctuary states so they get more electoral votes in historical blue states. The illegals themselves can't vote so it's just artifical inflation of HoR reps to get more electoral points in the traditional blue states.

Nothing more, nothing less. It's just the facts man. I'm not injecting an opinion.

My man....the democrats and the few remaining reasonable republicans crafted bipartisan legislation that would dramatically curb border crossings. The border would be closed right now if it were not for maga. You want facts? Those are the facts. That's not som weirdo conspiracy theory.

Question is: Why does maga believe in open borders?

And if you are overly concerned about house seats and stuff, why not demand your maga representatives join democrats and call for an end to gerrymandering once and for all?

jimjam1982

The Juggler said:

jimjam1982 said:

The Juggler said:

jimjam1982 said:

mickeyrat said:

jimjam1982 said:

Did you know that Biden won't secure the border via Executive Order because:

1) Census includes illegal aliens. 
2) Non-deported illegals gives the Democrats 20 or so House Seats every census period
3) House Seats determine how many electoral votes a state gets


https://www.census.gov/topics/population/foreign-born/about.html#:~:text=The Census Bureau collects data,the total foreign-born population.

https://www.archives.gov/electoral-college/allocation

Pretty blatant election interference and fraud.  By flooding illegals in Crazy Sleepy Joe is just trying to rig all future elections.

If you were subtract those seats:

1) the house would never be blue
2) the electoral votes would shift back to states with actual American Citizens
4) If NY and CA had appropriate populations they would get less electoral votes.

It's pretty cut and dry why they won't secure the border. The reason isn't humanity or whatever you choose to believe.

They want YOU to have less say in this country then the invaders. It's time for change.  If you ever wondered why sanctuary states exist, it's simply to rig an election with more electoral votes in blue states.

Trust that those rich people in Obama, Biden and Clinton neighborhoods despise these illegal people and don't want them in their home areas...but they need the votes so they roll with it and dump it on YOU, the less wealthy.  This was proven when illegals were sent to Martha's Vineyard and immediately evicted by the people who claim to embrace them.

Many of the commoner democrats with no money keep suckering along with it.  When do you wake up and realize you are being duped by your so called leaders? 

Republican veto of the recent bill was the right thing to do.  It didn't actually do anything favorable for the USA and her citizens. 

In the words of the great EV - Everybody else pays for someone else's mistakes.  

erm, cencus wont be taken for another 6 years. who was in charge during the last one?  stephen miller?

But that's the point.  They flood it now, disperse them to locations unknown and then in 6 years they have had 3 fucking babies each and you got 10million illegals floating around = house seats.

if you can't see that I feel bad for you. 

Have you seen any polling recently? Hispanics are backing Republicans more than they have in the past. This line of "thinking" has always been fucking moronic. It is even more so now. 

There is bipartisan legislation that would have the border closed right now that maga republicans are blatantly ignoring solely because they believe not solving the problem is better for them politically.

Maga is full of open border globalist pigs. 

 It has nothing to do with how they vote. It's about creating seats in the HoR which in turn creates electoral votes which in turns pads the number for NY and CA and other sanctuary states so they get more electoral votes in historical blue states. The illegals themselves can't vote so it's just artifical inflation of HoR reps to get more electoral points in the traditional blue states.

Nothing more, nothing less. It's just the facts man. I'm not injecting an opinion.

My man....the democrats and the few remaining reasonable republicans crafted bipartisan legislation that would dramatically curb border crossings. The border would be closed right now if it were not for maga. You want facts? Those are the facts. That's not som weirdo conspiracy theory.

Question is: Why does maga believe in open borders?

And if you are overly concerned about house seats and stuff, why not demand your maga representatives join democrats and call for an end to gerrymandering once and for all?

I know you want to believe that.

It would have curbed border crossings at the cost of 70b in foreign aid.  That's a non-starter when the PRESIDENT can executive order it without spending $70b. He can literally do it for FREE.  

It may have originated as bi-partisan.  The american people saw the bill and we the people vetoed it and the republicans had the balls to stand up for the citizens of this country and strike it down.  

"The new CBS News poll found that 45 percent of Americans see the border situation as a crisis, and another 30 percent view it as a serious problem. Eighteen percent said that the border situation is somewhat serious, and 7 percent said it is not much of a problem at all, according to the poll."

Half of polled Americans believe in reducing foreign aid. 

Why hasn't POTUS ended the border crisis without alienating half the country? He could do it swiftly, easily, and without cost.

It would appeal to 93% of Americans.  That's a huge win and an election slam dunk for Biden. 

he is holding out on doing his job and you have to ask the hard question...why? 

Because he is a puppet to his master of puppets.. the ultra progressives who are trying to inflate numbers for the 2030 census to get more HOR people and more electoral points for the guaranteed blue states.

This is the ONLY thing that is going to slow POTUS down from a guaranteed win in November and he isn't doing it.  You have to peel the onion.

HughFreakingDillon

jimjam1982 said:

The Juggler said:

jimjam1982 said:

The Juggler said:

jimjam1982 said:

mickeyrat said:

jimjam1982 said:

Did you know that Biden won't secure the border via Executive Order because:

1) Census includes illegal aliens. 
2) Non-deported illegals gives the Democrats 20 or so House Seats every census period
3) House Seats determine how many electoral votes a state gets


https://www.census.gov/topics/population/foreign-born/about.html#:~:text=The Census Bureau collects data,the total foreign-born population.

https://www.archives.gov/electoral-college/allocation

Pretty blatant election interference and fraud.  By flooding illegals in Crazy Sleepy Joe is just trying to rig all future elections.

If you were subtract those seats:

1) the house would never be blue
2) the electoral votes would shift back to states with actual American Citizens
4) If NY and CA had appropriate populations they would get less electoral votes.

It's pretty cut and dry why they won't secure the border. The reason isn't humanity or whatever you choose to believe.

They want YOU to have less say in this country then the invaders. It's time for change.  If you ever wondered why sanctuary states exist, it's simply to rig an election with more electoral votes in blue states.

Trust that those rich people in Obama, Biden and Clinton neighborhoods despise these illegal people and don't want them in their home areas...but they need the votes so they roll with it and dump it on YOU, the less wealthy.  This was proven when illegals were sent to Martha's Vineyard and immediately evicted by the people who claim to embrace them.

Many of the commoner democrats with no money keep suckering along with it.  When do you wake up and realize you are being duped by your so called leaders? 

Republican veto of the recent bill was the right thing to do.  It didn't actually do anything favorable for the USA and her citizens. 

In the words of the great EV - Everybody else pays for someone else's mistakes.  

erm, cencus wont be taken for another 6 years. who was in charge during the last one?  stephen miller?

But that's the point.  They flood it now, disperse them to locations unknown and then in 6 years they have had 3 fucking babies each and you got 10million illegals floating around = house seats.

if you can't see that I feel bad for you. 

Have you seen any polling recently? Hispanics are backing Republicans more than they have in the past. This line of "thinking" has always been fucking moronic. It is even more so now. 

There is bipartisan legislation that would have the border closed right now that maga republicans are blatantly ignoring solely because they believe not solving the problem is better for them politically.

Maga is full of open border globalist pigs. 

 It has nothing to do with how they vote. It's about creating seats in the HoR which in turn creates electoral votes which in turns pads the number for NY and CA and other sanctuary states so they get more electoral votes in historical blue states. The illegals themselves can't vote so it's just artifical inflation of HoR reps to get more electoral points in the traditional blue states.

Nothing more, nothing less. It's just the facts man. I'm not injecting an opinion.

My man....the democrats and the few remaining reasonable republicans crafted bipartisan legislation that would dramatically curb border crossings. The border would be closed right now if it were not for maga. You want facts? Those are the facts. That's not som weirdo conspiracy theory.

Question is: Why does maga believe in open borders?

And if you are overly concerned about house seats and stuff, why not demand your maga representatives join democrats and call for an end to gerrymandering once and for all?

I know you want to believe that.

It would have curbed border crossings at the cost of 70b in foreign aid.  That's a non-starter when the PRESIDENT can executive order it without spending $70b. He can literally do it for FREE.  

you don't get something for nothing. plus, you want putin to just take over ukraine? you a russia fan too?

FiveBelow

Merkin Baller said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

now do the republicans trashing the bipartisan border bill to help trump win. oh, wait, I guess your fox news echo chamber doesn't tell you about that. 

Didn't you hear? It's the democrats' fault. Not sure how, something about an election year or something but yeah, no... can't blame republicans for what republicans do because politics. 

Now you're resorting to the strawman shtick? Had you pegged as more serious than that.

The Juggler

jimjam1982 said:

The Juggler said:

jimjam1982 said:

The Juggler said:

jimjam1982 said:

mickeyrat said:

jimjam1982 said:

Did you know that Biden won't secure the border via Executive Order because:

1) Census includes illegal aliens. 
2) Non-deported illegals gives the Democrats 20 or so House Seats every census period
3) House Seats determine how many electoral votes a state gets


https://www.census.gov/topics/population/foreign-born/about.html#:~:text=The Census Bureau collects data,the total foreign-born population.

https://www.archives.gov/electoral-college/allocation

Pretty blatant election interference and fraud.  By flooding illegals in Crazy Sleepy Joe is just trying to rig all future elections.

If you were subtract those seats:

1) the house would never be blue
2) the electoral votes would shift back to states with actual American Citizens
4) If NY and CA had appropriate populations they would get less electoral votes.

It's pretty cut and dry why they won't secure the border. The reason isn't humanity or whatever you choose to believe.

They want YOU to have less say in this country then the invaders. It's time for change.  If you ever wondered why sanctuary states exist, it's simply to rig an election with more electoral votes in blue states.

Trust that those rich people in Obama, Biden and Clinton neighborhoods despise these illegal people and don't want them in their home areas...but they need the votes so they roll with it and dump it on YOU, the less wealthy.  This was proven when illegals were sent to Martha's Vineyard and immediately evicted by the people who claim to embrace them.

Many of the commoner democrats with no money keep suckering along with it.  When do you wake up and realize you are being duped by your so called leaders? 

Republican veto of the recent bill was the right thing to do.  It didn't actually do anything favorable for the USA and her citizens. 

In the words of the great EV - Everybody else pays for someone else's mistakes.  

erm, cencus wont be taken for another 6 years. who was in charge during the last one?  stephen miller?

But that's the point.  They flood it now, disperse them to locations unknown and then in 6 years they have had 3 fucking babies each and you got 10million illegals floating around = house seats.

if you can't see that I feel bad for you. 

Have you seen any polling recently? Hispanics are backing Republicans more than they have in the past. This line of "thinking" has always been fucking moronic. It is even more so now. 

There is bipartisan legislation that would have the border closed right now that maga republicans are blatantly ignoring solely because they believe not solving the problem is better for them politically.

Maga is full of open border globalist pigs. 

 It has nothing to do with how they vote. It's about creating seats in the HoR which in turn creates electoral votes which in turns pads the number for NY and CA and other sanctuary states so they get more electoral votes in historical blue states. The illegals themselves can't vote so it's just artifical inflation of HoR reps to get more electoral points in the traditional blue states.

Nothing more, nothing less. It's just the facts man. I'm not injecting an opinion.

My man....the democrats and the few remaining reasonable republicans crafted bipartisan legislation that would dramatically curb border crossings. The border would be closed right now if it were not for maga. You want facts? Those are the facts. That's not som weirdo conspiracy theory.

Question is: Why does maga believe in open borders?

And if you are overly concerned about house seats and stuff, why not demand your maga representatives join democrats and call for an end to gerrymandering once and for all?

I know you want to believe that.

It would have curbed border crossings at the cost of 70b in foreign aid.  That's a non-starter when the PRESIDENT can executive order it without spending $70b. He can literally do it for FREE.  

It may have originated as bi-partisan.  The american people saw the bill and we the people vetoed it and the republicans had the balls to stand up for the citizens of this country and strike it down.  

"The new CBS News poll found that 45 percent of Americans see the border situation as a crisis, and another 30 percent view it as a serious problem. Eighteen percent said that the border situation is somewhat serious, and 7 percent said it is not much of a problem at all, according to the poll."

Half of polled Americans believe in reducing foreign aid. 

Why hasn't POTUS ended the border crisis without alienating half the country? He could do it swiftly, easily, and without cost.

It would appeal to 93% of Americans.  That's a huge win and an election slam dunk for Biden. 

he is holding out on doing his job and you have to ask the hard question...why? 

Because he is a puppet to his master of puppets.. the ultra progressives who are trying to inflate numbers for the 2030 census to get more HOR people and more electoral points for the guaranteed blue states.

This is the ONLY thing that is going to slow POTUS down from a guaranteed win in November and he isn't doing it.  You have to peel the onion.

It's called compromising, my man. Prior to Donald Trump and Maga, republicans used to do it all the time. It happened with the gun legislation recently. Don't you think the Democrats wanted waaaaay more than they got? Of course they did. Did the ultimately realize that, for the good of the country, doing something was better than nothing and perhaps down the road they'll get more? Yep. They're serious people. That is the difference here.

All rational people agree an immigration LAW is a better solution than an executive order that will be challenged in the courts. 

The American people saw the bill and vetoed it? What? The article you quoted from (https://thehill.com/regulation/national-security/4394219-most-americans-in-new-poll-see-situation-at-border-as-a-crisis-serious-problem/) was written BEFORE the bill came out. It specifically said that in the very next paragraph you left out. Why are you people so overtly disingenuous about literally everything? 

The only person who vetoed it is Donald Trump. The American people OVERWHELMINGLY support the bill as the WSJ poll points out. Seriously, how many other issues can you name that has about 60% support? Maga is holding it up because they think a messy border situation is better for them politically. Henceforth: Maga is full of open border globalist pigs.

Here is an actual link to an article about actual, current polling, done by the WSJ:

https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/poll-immigration-bipartisan/2024/03/07/id/1156326/

WSJ Poll: Majority Back Bipartisan Senate Border Bill

By Charlie McCarthy    |   Thursday, 07 March 2024 08:39 AM EST

    A   A

A majority of U.S. voters say they support the Senate's bipartisan border security bill that the chamber failed to pass and was "dead on arrival" in the House, The Wall Street Journal found in a new poll.

The Journal told survey participants that "a bipartisan group of Senators and the White House recently proposed a bill to make it harder for migrants to get asylum in the U.S., to increase the number of border agents, and give the President the power to limit the number of migrants coming into the country if immigration goes above a certain limit."

Participants then were asked, "From what you've heard, would you favor or oppose this proposal?"

A total of 59% of voters, with roughly equal percentages of Republicans and Democrats, say they would support the bipartisan package, the Journal found.

A plurality of voters put more blame on President Joe Biden than on Republicans for developments in border security, with 45% agreeing with the statement that Biden had allowed more illegal immigration by reversing executive orders that former President Donald Trump had put in place, and that Biden had powers to seal the border but failed to use them.

Another 39% agreed with the statement that the GOP killed the Senate bipartisan deal because Trump told them he didn't want to help Democrats pass legislation.

Also, 74% say they support creating a pathway to citizenship for undocumented immigrants who have been in the country for many years and pass a background check.

Other poll findings included:

• 71% say immigration and border security have moved in the wrong direction during the past year.
• 66% say they disapprove of the job Biden is doing to handle immigration.
• 66% of voters would support creating a mechanism for immigrants brought into the country illegally as children.
• 58% say they support increasing the level of legal immigration to the U.S.

"What it [the survey] tells us is this is an issue where voters are looking for solutions," said Democrat pollster Michael Bocian, who conducted the survey with Republican Tony Fabrizio, the newspaper reported. "They're not totally dogmatic about what those solutions are, but they want solutions."

The Journal survey, conducted Feb. 21-28, followed Senate Republicans on Feb. 7 defeating a bipartisan effort to bolster border security that had taken months to negotiate.

By a vote of 49-50, the Senate failed to approve a $118 billion bipartisan package that would tighten immigration laws, help Ukraine fight a Russian invasion, and bolster Israel in its war with Hamas.

After the Senate announced the agreement on Feb. 4, House Speaker Mike Johnson, R-La., took to X to say the bill was "worse than expected" and "dead on arrival" in the House.

The Journal poll found that 20% of voters now rank immigration as their top issue, up from 13% in December and above any other topic, including the economy.

Merkin Baller

FiveBelow said:

Merkin Baller said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

now do the republicans trashing the bipartisan border bill to help trump win. oh, wait, I guess your fox news echo chamber doesn't tell you about that. 

Didn't you hear? It's the democrats' fault. Not sure how, something about an election year or something but yeah, no... can't blame republicans for what republicans do because politics. 

Now you're resorting to the strawman shtick? Had you pegged as more serious than that.

It’s sarcasm, not a straw man, but go off. 

HughFreakingDillon

biden a puppet of the ultra progressives? hahahaha

shecky

Senator Bill Hagerty

@SenatorHagerty

·

2h

BREAKING: Senate will vote this evening on my amendment barring illegal aliens from being counted in allotting congressional seats & Electoral College Votes. We will find out if Dems care more about their political power or the citizens they supposedly represent.

mickeyrat

shecky said:

9Senator Bill Hagerty

@SenatorHagerty

·

2h

BREAKING: Senate will vote this evening on my amendment barring illegal aliens from being counted in allotting congressional seats & Electoral College Votes. We will find out if Dems care more about their political power or the citizens they supposedly represent.

political stunt.  As I recall Treasury Dept is responsible for determining how a cencus is taken.

Further I believe there were court rulings barring fuckstick from emplamenting something similar.....

shecky

I'm quite certain that Senator Bill Hagerty is more knowledgeable about this subject than you.

Halifax2TheMax

shecky said:

I'm quite certain that Senator Bill Hagerty is more knowledgeable about this subject than you.

Tell Bill to try again. I’m sure you’re in touch. Mahalo.

https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/ft_2020.07.24_apportionment_01.png?w=640

mickeyrat

shecky said:

I'm quite certain that Senator Bill Hagerty is more knowledgeable about this subject than you.

do tell. There is specific constitutional language surrounding how registering happens and it speaks to the number of persons in a given district. Not citizens, not drink card holders. Or any fucking such language like that. It says persons period

https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/R/R44798

mickeyrat

you DO support our founding document don't you?

https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/

mickeyrat

Maybe governor Abbott and his ilk should stop sending them to democrat run states. Or are they a part of the plot as well

shecky

The Juggler

The Juggler said:

jimjam1982 said:

The Juggler said:

jimjam1982 said:

The Juggler said:

jimjam1982 said:

mickeyrat said:

jimjam1982 said:

Did you know that Biden won't secure the border via Executive Order because:

1) Census includes illegal aliens. 
2) Non-deported illegals gives the Democrats 20 or so House Seats every census period
3) House Seats determine how many electoral votes a state gets


https://www.census.gov/topics/population/foreign-born/about.html#:~:text=The Census Bureau collects data,the total foreign-born population.

https://www.archives.gov/electoral-college/allocation

Pretty blatant election interference and fraud.  By flooding illegals in Crazy Sleepy Joe is just trying to rig all future elections.

If you were subtract those seats:

1) the house would never be blue
2) the electoral votes would shift back to states with actual American Citizens
4) If NY and CA had appropriate populations they would get less electoral votes.

It's pretty cut and dry why they won't secure the border. The reason isn't humanity or whatever you choose to believe.

They want YOU to have less say in this country then the invaders. It's time for change.  If you ever wondered why sanctuary states exist, it's simply to rig an election with more electoral votes in blue states.

Trust that those rich people in Obama, Biden and Clinton neighborhoods despise these illegal people and don't want them in their home areas...but they need the votes so they roll with it and dump it on YOU, the less wealthy.  This was proven when illegals were sent to Martha's Vineyard and immediately evicted by the people who claim to embrace them.

Many of the commoner democrats with no money keep suckering along with it.  When do you wake up and realize you are being duped by your so called leaders? 

Republican veto of the recent bill was the right thing to do.  It didn't actually do anything favorable for the USA and her citizens. 

In the words of the great EV - Everybody else pays for someone else's mistakes.  

erm, cencus wont be taken for another 6 years. who was in charge during the last one?  stephen miller?

But that's the point.  They flood it now, disperse them to locations unknown and then in 6 years they have had 3 fucking babies each and you got 10million illegals floating around = house seats.

if you can't see that I feel bad for you. 

Have you seen any polling recently? Hispanics are backing Republicans more than they have in the past. This line of "thinking" has always been fucking moronic. It is even more so now. 

There is bipartisan legislation that would have the border closed right now that maga republicans are blatantly ignoring solely because they believe not solving the problem is better for them politically.

Maga is full of open border globalist pigs. 

 It has nothing to do with how they vote. It's about creating seats in the HoR which in turn creates electoral votes which in turns pads the number for NY and CA and other sanctuary states so they get more electoral votes in historical blue states. The illegals themselves can't vote so it's just artifical inflation of HoR reps to get more electoral points in the traditional blue states.

Nothing more, nothing less. It's just the facts man. I'm not injecting an opinion.

My man....the democrats and the few remaining reasonable republicans crafted bipartisan legislation that would dramatically curb border crossings. The border would be closed right now if it were not for maga. You want facts? Those are the facts. That's not som weirdo conspiracy theory.

Question is: Why does maga believe in open borders?

And if you are overly concerned about house seats and stuff, why not demand your maga representatives join democrats and call for an end to gerrymandering once and for all?

I know you want to believe that.

It would have curbed border crossings at the cost of 70b in foreign aid.  That's a non-starter when the PRESIDENT can executive order it without spending $70b. He can literally do it for FREE.  

It may have originated as bi-partisan.  The american people saw the bill and we the people vetoed it and the republicans had the balls to stand up for the citizens of this country and strike it down.  

"The new CBS News poll found that 45 percent of Americans see the border situation as a crisis, and another 30 percent view it as a serious problem. Eighteen percent said that the border situation is somewhat serious, and 7 percent said it is not much of a problem at all, according to the poll."

Half of polled Americans believe in reducing foreign aid. 

Why hasn't POTUS ended the border crisis without alienating half the country? He could do it swiftly, easily, and without cost.

It would appeal to 93% of Americans.  That's a huge win and an election slam dunk for Biden. 

he is holding out on doing his job and you have to ask the hard question...why? 

Because he is a puppet to his master of puppets.. the ultra progressives who are trying to inflate numbers for the 2030 census to get more HOR people and more electoral points for the guaranteed blue states.

This is the ONLY thing that is going to slow POTUS down from a guaranteed win in November and he isn't doing it.  You have to peel the onion.

It's called compromising, my man. Prior to Donald Trump and Maga, republicans used to do it all the time. It happened with the gun legislation recently. Don't you think the Democrats wanted waaaaay more than they got? Of course they did. Did the ultimately realize that, for the good of the country, doing something was better than nothing and perhaps down the road they'll get more? Yep. They're serious people. That is the difference here.

All rational people agree an immigration LAW is a better solution than an executive order that will be challenged in the courts. 

The American people saw the bill and vetoed it? What? The article you quoted from (https://thehill.com/regulation/national-security/4394219-most-americans-in-new-poll-see-situation-at-border-as-a-crisis-serious-problem/) was written BEFORE the bill came out. It specifically said that in the very next paragraph you left out. Why are you people so overtly disingenuous about literally everything? 

The only person who vetoed it is Donald Trump. The American people OVERWHELMINGLY support the bill as the WSJ poll points out. Seriously, how many other issues can you name that has about 60% support? Maga is holding it up because they think a messy border situation is better for them politically. Henceforth: Maga is full of open border globalist pigs.

Here is an actual link to an article about actual, current polling, done by the WSJ:

https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/poll-immigration-bipartisan/2024/03/07/id/1156326/

WSJ Poll: Majority Back Bipartisan Senate Border Bill

By Charlie McCarthy    |   Thursday, 07 March 2024 08:39 AM EST

    A   A

A majority of U.S. voters say they support the Senate's bipartisan border security bill that the chamber failed to pass and was "dead on arrival" in the House, The Wall Street Journal found in a new poll.

The Journal told survey participants that "a bipartisan group of Senators and the White House recently proposed a bill to make it harder for migrants to get asylum in the U.S., to increase the number of border agents, and give the President the power to limit the number of migrants coming into the country if immigration goes above a certain limit."

Participants then were asked, "From what you've heard, would you favor or oppose this proposal?"

A total of 59% of voters, with roughly equal percentages of Republicans and Democrats, say they would support the bipartisan package, the Journal found.

A plurality of voters put more blame on President Joe Biden than on Republicans for developments in border security, with 45% agreeing with the statement that Biden had allowed more illegal immigration by reversing executive orders that former President Donald Trump had put in place, and that Biden had powers to seal the border but failed to use them.

Another 39% agreed with the statement that the GOP killed the Senate bipartisan deal because Trump told them he didn't want to help Democrats pass legislation.

Also, 74% say they support creating a pathway to citizenship for undocumented immigrants who have been in the country for many years and pass a background check.

Other poll findings included:

• 71% say immigration and border security have moved in the wrong direction during the past year.
• 66% say they disapprove of the job Biden is doing to handle immigration.
• 66% of voters would support creating a mechanism for immigrants brought into the country illegally as children.
• 58% say they support increasing the level of legal immigration to the U.S.

"What it [the survey] tells us is this is an issue where voters are looking for solutions," said Democrat pollster Michael Bocian, who conducted the survey with Republican Tony Fabrizio, the newspaper reported. "They're not totally dogmatic about what those solutions are, but they want solutions."

The Journal survey, conducted Feb. 21-28, followed Senate Republicans on Feb. 7 defeating a bipartisan effort to bolster border security that had taken months to negotiate.

By a vote of 49-50, the Senate failed to approve a $118 billion bipartisan package that would tighten immigration laws, help Ukraine fight a Russian invasion, and bolster Israel in its war with Hamas.

After the Senate announced the agreement on Feb. 4, House Speaker Mike Johnson, R-La., took to X to say the bill was "worse than expected" and "dead on arrival" in the House.

The Journal poll found that 20% of voters now rank immigration as their top issue, up from 13% in December and above any other topic, including the economy.

The Juggler

These people cannot help themselves but be disinegous every time they open their mouths


https://www.nj.com/news/2024/03/was-sen-katie-britt-caught-in-whopping-lie-about-graphic-sex-trafficking-story.html

Was Trump supporter Katie Britt caught in whopping lie about graphic sex trafficking story?

• Updated: Mar. 09, 2024, 8:54 a.m.|
• Published: Mar. 09, 2024, 8:44 a.m.

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• Kevin Manahan | NJ Advance Media for NJ.com

During her widely panned Republican response to the State of the Union Address on Thursday night, Sen. Katie Britt of Alabama told a graphic sex-trafficking story about a woman who was sexually abused “over and over” by members of Mexican drug cartels on the United States side of the Rio Grande.

Britt implied also that the woman had confided the story to her and that the events had occurred during President Biden’s administration.

But reporter Jonathan Katz, in a lengthy video posted to social media, connects the dots on the story, and it appears Britt lied: The woman has told her story many times publicly, including to Congress; the events didn’t occur in the United States; and they happened during George W. Bush’s presidency.

“When I first took office, I did something different,” Britt said. “I traveled to the Del Rio sector of Texas, where I spoke to a woman who shared her story with me.

“She had been sex trafficked by the cartels starting at age 12. She told me not just that she was raped every day, but how many times a day she was raped.”

She added: “The cartels put her on a mattress in a shoebox of a room, and they sent men through that door, over and over again, for hours and hours on-end.”

Britt implies the rapes took place in the U.S. — under Biden’s watch.

“We wouldn’t be OK with this happening in a third-world country,” she said. “This is the United States of America, and it’s past time we start acting like it. President Biden’s border crisis is a disgrace. It’s despicable. And it’s almost entirely preventable.”

Katz, however, says he has proof that the events didn’t occur in the U.S., and that — according to the victim — they happened between 2004 and 2008, when George W. Bush was president.

Merkin Baller

The history of the border begins in 2021 I guess. 

Halifax2TheMax

Merkin Baller said:

The history of the border begins in 2021 I guess. 

January 20, 2021 at 12:01 pm to be exact.

shecky

Bloodthirsty Venezuelan gang Tren de Aragua sets up shop in US as border authorities sound alarm

Venezuelan migrants linked to Tren de Aragua pop up all over US, leading authorities to sound alarm

 By Adam Shaw , Bill Melugin Fox News

Published March 8, 2024 4:42pm EST

Customs and Border Protection (CBP) is warning agents to be on the lookout for members of a notorious Venezuelan prison gang coming across the southern border -- just as the socialist country is refusing to take its citizens back. 

A CBP source provided Fox News with an internal CBP intelligence bulletin revealing tattoos and identifiers for Tren de Aragua, a Venezuelan prison gang. Members of that gang have been entering the U.S. illegally through the southern border.

Fox News reported this week that the brother of the suspect in the killing of Georgia student Laken Riley has ties to the gang. Both the suspect and his brother are Venezuelans who entered the U.S. illegally.

Federal authorities have been warning that the gang, also known as TdA and known for its violent turf wars as it expanded into other countries in South and Central America, is trying to establish itself in the U.S., where police are already linking it to organized crime. The FBI has also warned that the gang could team up with the bloodthirsty MS-13.

Last month two suspects in the assault of two NYPD officers were revealed to be members of TdA.

But CBP and Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) sources have expressed frustration to Fox News that Venezuelan gang members are extremely difficult to deport because Venezuela is currently not taking them back.

Only 834 Venezuelans were deported in FY 2023, according to Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) data, despite there being over 335,000 encounters at the border. The administration had started returning illegal immigrants from Venezuela directly to the socialist dictatorship in October as part of a way to discourage the flow to the border. 

While the administration took heat for the flights from immigration activists, who argued Venezuela was not an appropriate country to return migrants due to its human rights abuses, administration officials told reporters in January that it was looking to increase the number of flights.

One official said that "we do have the intention of ramping up repatriation flights to Venezuela" and that the administration sees it as a "critical part" of the broader immigration strategy.

"It’s an important deterrent," they said, with officials also saying they were pleased that Mexico was also now flying migrants straight to Venezuela.

FBI FEARS VENEZUELA MIGRANT GANG MEMBERS COULD POTENTIALLY TEAM UP WITH MS-13 KILLERS

In December, the administration had made limited exceptions to sanctions on a Venezuelan airline to help facilitate deportation flights from Canada and Latin America. 

But last month, the Wall Street Journal reported that the Maduro regime has stopped flights of deported migrants from both the U.S. and Mexico after the U.S. reimposed some economic sanctions. The flights ended at the end of January, officials told the outlet, after around 1,800 returns.

Before beginning the flights last year, the administration had  extended deportation protections to nearly 500,000 Venezuelans already in the U.S. in September. Venezuela is also part of a controversial parole program for Cubans, Haitians, Nicaraguans and Venezuelans (CHNV) which allows 30,000 migrants with sponsors to fly into the U.S. each month.

Fox is told that Venezuelans can still be removed to Mexico, but that many then typically re-enter the U.S. illegally as a "gotaway."