14 years and counting...

Halifax2TheMax

See? Same-same. From Letter From An American:

Today, Biden urged Congress to pass the $20.2 billion bipartisan border bill that would, he said, give border patrol officers the resources they need: 1,500 more border agents, 100 cutting-edge machines to detect and stop illegal fentanyl, 100 additional immigration judges to deal with the backlog of cases, 4,300 more asylum officers, more immigrant visas, and emergency authority for the president to shut the border when it becomes overwhelmed.

josevolution

Halifax2TheMax said:

See? Same-same. From Letter From An American:

Today, Biden urged Congress to pass the $20.2 billion bipartisan border bill that would, he said, give border patrol officers the resources they need: 1,500 more border agents, 100 cutting-edge machines to detect and stop illegal fentanyl, 100 additional immigration judges to deal with the backlog of cases, 4,300 more asylum officers, more immigrant visas, and emergency authority for the president to shut the border when it becomes overwhelmed.

You can’t pass a bill when there’s a caravan just stomping through the border who’s counting all those criminals? 

cincybearcat

It’s all so political. GOP won’t do anything now cause they want trump to get the win instead of just the GOP. Dems did nothing that worked for 3 years and now finally willing to do something meaningful…wonder why? Oh yeah, they lose on this issue and they have an election coming up. 

tbergs

cincybearcat said:

It’s all so political. GOP won’t do anything now cause they want trump to get the win instead of just the GOP. Dems did nothing that worked for 3 years and now finally willing to do something meaningful…wonder why? Oh yeah, they lose on this issue and they have an election coming up. 

It is, and I also don't care when a solution comes forward that can make a difference. I'd feel the same way if the GOP finally wanted to pass meaningful gun reform laws. I can't imagine dems stomping on that.

I view the current bullshit as the GOP basically going against everything they constantly complain about because it's not solely their "win". This would be good for everyone and they won't do it because it's not good for just their team. Fucking pathetic. They had all branches of power during Trump's term and did nothing to address the real needs of immigration reform and border control. They're not interested in policy. You can't even compare them to the dems. 

Merkin Baller

cincybearcat said:

It’s all so political. GOP won’t do anything now cause they want trump to get the win instead of just the GOP. Dems did nothing that worked for 3 years and now finally willing to do something meaningful…wonder why? Oh yeah, they lose on this issue and they have an election coming up. 

Do you not think this is intellectually dishonest considering it was the GOP who insisted on border measures before any more (much needed) Ukraine aid?  

If democrats came out of nowhere and said "hey' let's do a border deal", I would agree with this position, but that's not how this bill came to be, is it? 

FiveBelow

Merkin Baller said:

cincybearcat said:

It’s all so political. GOP won’t do anything now cause they want trump to get the win instead of just the GOP. Dems did nothing that worked for 3 years and now finally willing to do something meaningful…wonder why? Oh yeah, they lose on this issue and they have an election coming up. 

Do you not think this is intellectually dishonest considering it was the GOP who insisted on border measures before any more (much needed) Ukraine aid?  

If democrats came out of nowhere and said "hey' let's do a border deal", I would agree with this position, but that's not how this bill came to be, is it? 

About as intellectually dishonest as assuming democrats didn’t know the first round of aid wasn’t going to be enough. Leverage…politics.

Merkin Baller

FiveBelow said:

Merkin Baller said:

cincybearcat said:

It’s all so political. GOP won’t do anything now cause they want trump to get the win instead of just the GOP. Dems did nothing that worked for 3 years and now finally willing to do something meaningful…wonder why? Oh yeah, they lose on this issue and they have an election coming up. 

Do you not think this is intellectually dishonest considering it was the GOP who insisted on border measures before any more (much needed) Ukraine aid?  

If democrats came out of nowhere and said "hey' let's do a border deal", I would agree with this position, but that's not how this bill came to be, is it? 

About as intellectually dishonest as assuming democrats didn’t know the first round of aid wasn’t going to be enough. Leverage…politics.

It was a good start according to the USBP. 

& my point stands about who insisted on these measures right now.

The Juggler

Play the blame game for past failures all you want. The bottom line is there is a bi-partisan bill that democrats and the few remaining reasonable republicans negotiated that maga is holding hostage solely to keep Trump out of prison and put him back in the White House. 

Maga owns this mess from this point forward. They are not serious people and our country will continue to suffer as long as they hold sway in the republican party moving forward. 

Halifax2TheMax

The Juggler said:

Play the blame game for past failures all you want. The bottom line is there is a bi-partisan bill that democrats and the few remaining reasonable republicans negotiated that maga is holding hostage solely to keep Trump out of prison and put him back in the White House. 

Maga owns this mess from this point forward. They are not serious people and our country will continue to suffer as long as they hold sway in the republican party moving forward. 

Both sides are the same.

The Juggler

Halifax2TheMax said:

The Juggler said:

Play the blame game for past failures all you want. The bottom line is there is a bi-partisan bill that democrats and the few remaining reasonable republicans negotiated that maga is holding hostage solely to keep Trump out of prison and put him back in the White House. 

Maga owns this mess from this point forward. They are not serious people and our country will continue to suffer as long as they hold sway in the republican party moving forward. 

Both sides are the same.

I mentioned this before and nobody said anything but can you imagine if the Democrats held a significant bi-partisan gun control bill hostage for political reasons? No you can't. Nobody cant. That is the main difference. Agree or disagree with them, but they're serious people who are actually concerned with getting things done for their constituents. 

Halifax2TheMax

The Juggler said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

The Juggler said:

Play the blame game for past failures all you want. The bottom line is there is a bi-partisan bill that democrats and the few remaining reasonable republicans negotiated that maga is holding hostage solely to keep Trump out of prison and put him back in the White House. 

Maga owns this mess from this point forward. They are not serious people and our country will continue to suffer as long as they hold sway in the republican party moving forward. 

Both sides are the same.

I mentioned this before and nobody said anything but can you imagine if the Democrats held a significant bi-partisan gun control bill hostage for political reasons? No you can't. Nobody cant. That is the main difference. Agree or disagree with them, but they're serious people who are actually concerned with getting things done for their constituents. 

And not just for “their constituents” but ALL ‘Muricans. Just look at Build Back Better and all the puke repubs, everyone of which voted against, who are now campaigning on and taking credit for it. The hypocrisy and dissonance is overwhelming. And why the POOTWH Party is going to destroy ‘Murica. It’s like watching a slow motion car wreck.

Halifax2TheMax

Was 2023 an election year? Hmmmm, who controlled Congress and what was the repub focus? Hmmmmm? Oh yea, some guy named Kevin. But sure, both sides are the same.

Last year, President Biden put forward a $106 billion supplemental funding request to address immediate national security concerns, including $4.4 billion in desperately needed funding for a robust, federal migration strategy with $1.4 billion in aid to states and localities. Those funds would provide support to federal agencies for additional personnel to increase border security, add staff to accelerate processing times and eligibility determinations, and increase removal proceedings for those ineligible to stay in the United States.

While the Biden Administration has made important progress in managing immigration at the Southwest border, the number of migrants arriving in states and cities seeking emergency shelter continues to increase at record pace. States and cities have spent billions to address inaction by Congress and match these challenges with solutions for our state and local economies. However, it is clear our national immigration system is outdated and unprepared to respond to this unprecedented global migration. Without serious reform informed by evidence- based solutions, the challenges facing states and localities will only grow.

We remain committed to working with the Administration and Congress to advance common sense solutions to fix our immigration system. Thank you for your consideration.

https://www.governor.ny.gov/news/governor-hochul-leads-nine-governor-coalition-call-federal-action-immigration

FiveBelow

The Juggler said:

Play the blame game for past failures all you want. The bottom line is there is a bi-partisan bill that democrats and the few remaining reasonable republicans negotiated that maga is holding hostage solely to keep Trump out of prison and put him back in the White House. 

Maga owns this mess from this point forward. They are not serious people and our country will continue to suffer as long as they hold sway in the republican party moving forward. 

Most of AMT is playing the blame game for past failures...really? Because sometimes past failures affect current situations, and we should recognize and learn from them instead of giving a free pass because now the time is conveniently right to deflect blame. There is culpability on both sides for how we arrived at this current situation. The fact that very few of you are willing to admit this is maddening. Other than the couple magas that poke in from time to time, who here is siding with the right or saying they should hold steady in their current actions? Who is defending them? There is much more common ground than opposition. The ability to be critical of more than one party? Not so much.

Halifax2TheMax

FiveBelow said:

The Juggler said:

Play the blame game for past failures all you want. The bottom line is there is a bi-partisan bill that democrats and the few remaining reasonable republicans negotiated that maga is holding hostage solely to keep Trump out of prison and put him back in the White House. 

Maga owns this mess from this point forward. They are not serious people and our country will continue to suffer as long as they hold sway in the republican party moving forward. 

Most of AMT is playing the blame game for past failures...really? Because sometimes past failures affect current situations, and we should recognize and learn from them instead of giving a free pass because now the time is conveniently right to deflect blame. There is culpability on both sides for how we arrived at this current situation. The fact that very few of you are willing to admit this is maddening. Other than the couple magas that poke in from time to time, who here is siding with the right or saying they should hold steady in their current actions? Who is defending them? There is much more common ground than opposition. The ability to be critical of more than one party? Not so much.

It’s the equating of both parties as being the same that’s the flaw in your argument. Was 2023 an election year?
Again, Brandon issued 500+ EOs related to immigration. Which ones do you take issue(s) with and what was the direct impact of that EO?

Halifax2TheMax

For those getting their information from the socials.

CLAIM: The Biden administration is giving people who enter the U.S illegally payments of $2,200 per month.

AP’S ASSESSMENT: False. People who enter the U.S. illegally are not eligible for federal cash assistance, with the exception of certain Cubans and Haitians, immigration experts told The Associated Press. Refugees and people granted asylum, as well as some other humanitarian migrants, are entitled to certain public benefits, including cash assistance related to their initial resettlement, though it is not as high as $2,200 each month.

THE FACTS: Social media users are falsely claiming that people in the U.S. illegally receive thousands of dollars in monthly payments from the federal government, an issue that has been misrepresented before online.

https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-illegal-2200-payment-government-821946727757

FiveBelow

Halifax2TheMax said:

FiveBelow said:

The Juggler said:

Play the blame game for past failures all you want. The bottom line is there is a bi-partisan bill that democrats and the few remaining reasonable republicans negotiated that maga is holding hostage solely to keep Trump out of prison and put him back in the White House. 

Maga owns this mess from this point forward. They are not serious people and our country will continue to suffer as long as they hold sway in the republican party moving forward. 

Most of AMT is playing the blame game for past failures...really? Because sometimes past failures affect current situations, and we should recognize and learn from them instead of giving a free pass because now the time is conveniently right to deflect blame. There is culpability on both sides for how we arrived at this current situation. The fact that very few of you are willing to admit this is maddening. Other than the couple magas that poke in from time to time, who here is siding with the right or saying they should hold steady in their current actions? Who is defending them? There is much more common ground than opposition. The ability to be critical of more than one party? Not so much.

It’s the equating of both parties as being the same that’s the flaw in your argument. Was 2023 an election year?
Again, Brandon issued 500+ EOs related to immigration. Which ones do you take issue(s) with and what was the direct impact of that EO?

Please reference where I said both sides are the same. You assumed I am equating both parties as being the same. Culpability is not always equal, surely you understand this? Is my argument no longer flawed?

Halifax2TheMax

FiveBelow said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

FiveBelow said:

The Juggler said:

Play the blame game for past failures all you want. The bottom line is there is a bi-partisan bill that democrats and the few remaining reasonable republicans negotiated that maga is holding hostage solely to keep Trump out of prison and put him back in the White House. 

Maga owns this mess from this point forward. They are not serious people and our country will continue to suffer as long as they hold sway in the republican party moving forward. 

Most of AMT is playing the blame game for past failures...really? Because sometimes past failures affect current situations, and we should recognize and learn from them instead of giving a free pass because now the time is conveniently right to deflect blame. There is culpability on both sides for how we arrived at this current situation. The fact that very few of you are willing to admit this is maddening. Other than the couple magas that poke in from time to time, who here is siding with the right or saying they should hold steady in their current actions? Who is defending them? There is much more common ground than opposition. The ability to be critical of more than one party? Not so much.

It’s the equating of both parties as being the same that’s the flaw in your argument. Was 2023 an election year?
Again, Brandon issued 500+ EOs related to immigration. Which ones do you take issue(s) with and what was the direct impact of that EO?

Please reference where I said both sides are the same. You assumed I am equating both parties as being the same. Culpability is not always equal, surely you understand this? Is my argument no longer flawed?

You’re blaming both parties and equating them as being equally at fault. And you blamed the dems for using an election year to finally get serious and yet Brandon was asking for funding in 2023. Was 2023 an election year?

I’m pointing out that one party is trying to do something about it while the other is doing nothing. Doing “something” and failing, if you consider what has been done a failure, and doing nothing and failing are not same-same. Please point to the repub responsibilities that you’ve been “equally” critical of? All I’ve read of your posts are criticisms of Brandon, his EOs and election year grandstanding, with the “plenty of blame to go around” (my synopsis, not a direct quote from you of your posts) thrown in for good measure.

mace1229

The Juggler said:

Out of My Mind and Time said:

I hate taking mortgage applications from people like you. White is someone's race. Hispanic is someone's ethnicity. Ready for me to blow your mind? An Hispanic person can be both Hispanic and White. 

You would absolutely have a dumb joke waiting for me when I ask about your gender too. 




https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2014/06/16/321819185/on-the-census-who-checks-hispanic-who-checks-white-and-why

Assuming that information wasn't photoshopped (the booking picture, not what you posted), I would be curious what the booking options were.
While I know you are correct, that isn't always how it plays out.  I typically see hispanic and white separated when filling out information about my race. Seems like most officials forms I fill out nowadays ask that info, and most don't seem to ask for both race and ethnicity, and often include both hispanic and white and want you to select just 1. Usually a "Hispanic" and a "White - non Hispanic" option. They are intentionally counting whites and hispanics separately. 

FiveBelow

Halifax2TheMax said:

FiveBelow said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

FiveBelow said:

The Juggler said:

Play the blame game for past failures all you want. The bottom line is there is a bi-partisan bill that democrats and the few remaining reasonable republicans negotiated that maga is holding hostage solely to keep Trump out of prison and put him back in the White House. 

Maga owns this mess from this point forward. They are not serious people and our country will continue to suffer as long as they hold sway in the republican party moving forward. 

Most of AMT is playing the blame game for past failures...really? Because sometimes past failures affect current situations, and we should recognize and learn from them instead of giving a free pass because now the time is conveniently right to deflect blame. There is culpability on both sides for how we arrived at this current situation. The fact that very few of you are willing to admit this is maddening. Other than the couple magas that poke in from time to time, who here is siding with the right or saying they should hold steady in their current actions? Who is defending them? There is much more common ground than opposition. The ability to be critical of more than one party? Not so much.

It’s the equating of both parties as being the same that’s the flaw in your argument. Was 2023 an election year?
Again, Brandon issued 500+ EOs related to immigration. Which ones do you take issue(s) with and what was the direct impact of that EO?

Please reference where I said both sides are the same. You assumed I am equating both parties as being the same. Culpability is not always equal, surely you understand this? Is my argument no longer flawed?

You’re blaming both parties and equating them as being equally at fault. And you blamed the dems for using an election year to finally get serious and yet Brandon was asking for funding in 2023. Was 2023 an election year?

I’m pointing out that one party is trying to do something about it while the other is doing nothing. Doing “something” and failing, if you consider what has been done a failure, and doing nothing and failing are not same-same. Please point to the repub responsibilities that you’ve been “equally” critical of? All I’ve read of your posts are criticisms of Brandon, his EOs and election year grandstanding, with the “plenty of blame to go around” (my synopsis, not a direct quote from you of your posts) thrown in for good measure.

That would be your and at least one others assumption. To answer your question, Biden’s campaign started in June of ‘23. Wouldn’t that be considered the start of the election cycle? The funding was requested in October, btw. Instead of putting words in my mouth, maybe go back and reread what I’ve said. Or don’t, I think this has gone far enough. I appreciate your input, nonetheless.

The Juggler

FiveBelow said:

The Juggler said:

Play the blame game for past failures all you want. The bottom line is there is a bi-partisan bill that democrats and the few remaining reasonable republicans negotiated that maga is holding hostage solely to keep Trump out of prison and put him back in the White House. 

Maga owns this mess from this point forward. They are not serious people and our country will continue to suffer as long as they hold sway in the republican party moving forward. 

Most of AMT is playing the blame game for past failures...really? Because sometimes past failures affect current situations, and we should recognize and learn from them instead of giving a free pass because now the time is conveniently right to deflect blame. There is culpability on both sides for how we arrived at this current situation. The fact that very few of you are willing to admit this is maddening. Other than the couple magas that poke in from time to time, who here is siding with the right or saying they should hold steady in their current actions? Who is defending them? There is much more common ground than opposition. The ability to be critical of more than one party? Not so much.

Both parties came together. Both parties came up with meaningful bi-partisan legislation. The maga wing of the republican party is to blame from this point forward. That is the bottom line. Bitch and complain about what happened in the past all you want. But there is meaningful legislation for the first time in forever that is simply being ignored for political purposes...by the very people who claim this as their most important pressing issue.

Hypocrites.