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Shouldn't get bail regardless of whether it is a cop or not. You assault any person, the punishment should be consistent.cincybearcat said:
Ah in this case they didn't ask for bail and they were released pending trial...or whatever. My opinion is if you attack a police officer always set bail...as it is allowed within the law.Merkin Baller said:
I may have misunderstood your comment... I thought you were saying there should be no bail in a case of someone attacking a police officer. If I understood it correctly, then my point stands... I don't agree that people should be held indefinitely based on the word alone of a police officer that he was attacked. I don't think ACAB, but I'm also not naive enough to think cops never lie.cincybearcat said:
I am a bit confused by your statement. If you are saying don't just immediately deport....I can see that, I disagree, but I understand. If you are saying setting bail for people that attack cops isn't ok....I wouldn't agree. It's the bare minimum that can be done.Merkin Baller said:
I’m speaking about a general policy which is what I inferred from Cincy’s comment.tempo_n_groove said:
Are you speaking from the hip here? There is film footage of 12 people kicking and punching at the cops...Merkin Baller said:
No bail for attacking a police officer is great until a police officer lies about being attacked.cincybearcat said:
Isolated yes. The fact that they weren't back in their home country within 24 hours is ridiculous...let alone no bail for attacking a police officer.tempo_n_groove said:I was going to post that and decided not to. It's a bad look for sure.
Thankfully this is an isolated incident. If more things like this happen the cops will make it hell for them.
I take back what I said and like Cincy, send em back.I’m all for deporting criminal immigrants, but as I understand it, the 6th amendment applies to non-citizens as well as citizens, so there still has to be due process.
In this particular case, if there's clear cut evidence of the released men having attacked the police, then the DA's decision to grant bail defies logic.
Regarding immediate deportation without due process, that would be unconstitutional. People who are here legally are entitled to 6th amendment rights.0 -
Release without bail shouldn't be an option for assault. But I'm okay with harsher penalties for certain groups. Assaulting a public official, a judge, cop, a child, hate crime, etc all should factor into the penalty.bootlegger10 said:
Shouldn't get bail regardless of whether it is a cop or not. You assault any person, the punishment should be consistent.cincybearcat said:
Ah in this case they didn't ask for bail and they were released pending trial...or whatever. My opinion is if you attack a police officer always set bail...as it is allowed within the law.Merkin Baller said:
I may have misunderstood your comment... I thought you were saying there should be no bail in a case of someone attacking a police officer. If I understood it correctly, then my point stands... I don't agree that people should be held indefinitely based on the word alone of a police officer that he was attacked. I don't think ACAB, but I'm also not naive enough to think cops never lie.cincybearcat said:
I am a bit confused by your statement. If you are saying don't just immediately deport....I can see that, I disagree, but I understand. If you are saying setting bail for people that attack cops isn't ok....I wouldn't agree. It's the bare minimum that can be done.Merkin Baller said:
I’m speaking about a general policy which is what I inferred from Cincy’s comment.tempo_n_groove said:
Are you speaking from the hip here? There is film footage of 12 people kicking and punching at the cops...Merkin Baller said:
No bail for attacking a police officer is great until a police officer lies about being attacked.cincybearcat said:
Isolated yes. The fact that they weren't back in their home country within 24 hours is ridiculous...let alone no bail for attacking a police officer.tempo_n_groove said:I was going to post that and decided not to. It's a bad look for sure.
Thankfully this is an isolated incident. If more things like this happen the cops will make it hell for them.
I take back what I said and like Cincy, send em back.I’m all for deporting criminal immigrants, but as I understand it, the 6th amendment applies to non-citizens as well as citizens, so there still has to be due process.
In this particular case, if there's clear cut evidence of the released men having attacked the police, then the DA's decision to grant bail defies logic.
Regarding immediate deportation without due process, that would be unconstitutional. People who are here legally are entitled to 6th amendment rights.0 -
penalty before conviction. alrighty then....
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Well I think the confusion here is despite it being an offense that the DA can request bail, he did not. If bail is not requested they are let go until trial or whatever next step is. So they just disappeared.bootlegger10 said:
Shouldn't get bail regardless of whether it is a cop or not. You assault any person, the punishment should be consistent.cincybearcat said:
Ah in this case they didn't ask for bail and they were released pending trial...or whatever. My opinion is if you attack a police officer always set bail...as it is allowed within the law.Merkin Baller said:
I may have misunderstood your comment... I thought you were saying there should be no bail in a case of someone attacking a police officer. If I understood it correctly, then my point stands... I don't agree that people should be held indefinitely based on the word alone of a police officer that he was attacked. I don't think ACAB, but I'm also not naive enough to think cops never lie.cincybearcat said:
I am a bit confused by your statement. If you are saying don't just immediately deport....I can see that, I disagree, but I understand. If you are saying setting bail for people that attack cops isn't ok....I wouldn't agree. It's the bare minimum that can be done.Merkin Baller said:
I’m speaking about a general policy which is what I inferred from Cincy’s comment.tempo_n_groove said:
Are you speaking from the hip here? There is film footage of 12 people kicking and punching at the cops...Merkin Baller said:
No bail for attacking a police officer is great until a police officer lies about being attacked.cincybearcat said:
Isolated yes. The fact that they weren't back in their home country within 24 hours is ridiculous...let alone no bail for attacking a police officer.tempo_n_groove said:I was going to post that and decided not to. It's a bad look for sure.
Thankfully this is an isolated incident. If more things like this happen the cops will make it hell for them.
I take back what I said and like Cincy, send em back.I’m all for deporting criminal immigrants, but as I understand it, the 6th amendment applies to non-citizens as well as citizens, so there still has to be due process.
In this particular case, if there's clear cut evidence of the released men having attacked the police, then the DA's decision to grant bail defies logic.
Regarding immediate deportation without due process, that would be unconstitutional. People who are here legally are entitled to 6th amendment rights.
that’s what I mean when in this case they should set bail. I could agree however with your premise of no bail, but then you must be kept in custody.hippiemom = goodness0 -
Being held pending trial isn’t penalty before conviction.mickeyrat said:penalty before conviction. alrighty then....hippiemom = goodness0 -
So the guy who choked out the other on the subway should be held at Rikers pending trial, right?cincybearcat said:
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What about what about. Anything to fit your political outlook. Whatever happened to just what’s right is right? I know you hate cops but letting people go without bail after assaulting a police officer doesn’t set a good precedent. Get out of you political bubble for once and use some common sense.Halifax2TheMax said:
So the guy who choked out the other on the subway should be held at Rikers pending trial, right?cincybearcat said:
Being held pending trial isn’t penalty before conviction.mickeyrat said:penalty before conviction. alrighty then....0 -
That is exactly what I am saying....Halifax2TheMax said:
So the guy who choked out the other on the subway should be held at Rikers pending trial, right?cincybearcat said:
Being held pending trial isn’t penalty before conviction.mickeyrat said:penalty before conviction. alrighty then....
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Listen to you yourself. Simple assault on a cop, or anybody, if you don’t want to play favourites, should result in being held at Rikers pending trial, the average stay of which is 110 days? So, 110 days in jail to be found innocent, a potential outcome, correct? Where were you on this issue when the guy choked out the other and was released pending arraignment and trial? Crickets. Someone else posted equating assault with rape and murder. Listen to yourselves. The blood lust is thick.nicknyr15 said:
What about what about. Anything to fit your political outlook. Whatever happened to just what’s right is right? I know you hate cops but letting people go without bail after assaulting a police officer doesn’t set a good precedent. Get out of you political bubble for once and use some common sense.Halifax2TheMax said:
So the guy who choked out the other on the subway should be held at Rikers pending trial, right?cincybearcat said:
Being held pending trial isn’t penalty before conviction.mickeyrat said:penalty before conviction. alrighty then....
And sure, I hate cops. Good grief.Post edited by Halifax2TheMax on09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Very thick.Halifax2TheMax said:
Listen to you yourself. Simple assault on a cop, or anybody, if you don’t want to play favourites, should result in being held at Rikers pending trial, the average stay of which is 110 days? So, 110 days in jail to be found innocent, a potential outcome, correct? Where were you on this issue when the guy choked out the other and was released pending arraignment and trial? Crickets. Someone else posted equating assault with rape and murder. Listen to yourselves. The blood lust is thick.nicknyr15 said:
What about what about. Anything to fit your political outlook. Whatever happened to just what’s right is right? I know you hate cops but letting people go without bail after assaulting a police officer doesn’t set a good precedent. Get out of you political bubble for once and use some common sense.Halifax2TheMax said:
So the guy who choked out the other on the subway should be held at Rikers pending trial, right?cincybearcat said:
Being held pending trial isn’t penalty before conviction.mickeyrat said:penalty before conviction. alrighty then....0 -
Then POOTWH is your man.nicknyr15 said:
Very thick.Halifax2TheMax said:
Listen to you yourself. Simple assault on a cop, or anybody, if you don’t want to play favourites, should result in being held at Rikers pending trial, the average stay of which is 110 days? So, 110 days in jail to be found innocent, a potential outcome, correct? Where were you on this issue when the guy choked out the other and was released pending arraignment and trial? Crickets. Someone else posted equating assault with rape and murder. Listen to yourselves. The blood lust is thick.nicknyr15 said:
What about what about. Anything to fit your political outlook. Whatever happened to just what’s right is right? I know you hate cops but letting people go without bail after assaulting a police officer doesn’t set a good precedent. Get out of you political bubble for once and use some common sense.Halifax2TheMax said:
So the guy who choked out the other on the subway should be held at Rikers pending trial, right?cincybearcat said:
Being held pending trial isn’t penalty before conviction.mickeyrat said:penalty before conviction. alrighty then....09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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So choking someone out to death is equal to simple assault on a police officer, or anyone. Good to know.cincybearcat said:
That is exactly what I am saying....Halifax2TheMax said:
So the guy who choked out the other on the subway should be held at Rikers pending trial, right?cincybearcat said:
Being held pending trial isn’t penalty before conviction.mickeyrat said:penalty before conviction. alrighty then....09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Sounds like some would be all for hangings in the public square. Maybe use a crane and skip the gallows. Hell, who needs criminal laws on the books, just make it up as you go depending on circumstances.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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I’m not for holding everyone in jail pending trial. But this no bail trend is ridiculous. Bail is meant to let you keep living your life while providing some insurance that you will appear.
Courts are supposed to take many things into consideration. Seriousness of the crime, ties to the community, flight risk, risk to the community, even evidence against them, etc when setting bail. An undocumented immigrant with zero ties to the community and who can just disappear is a huge “flight risk” with video evidence of them committing the crime It would be fair to say the risk is too high given the circumstances and keep the person detained, or at the very least a very high bail to ensure they do in fact appear.
But no, bail is considered unfair these days. So just let them walk without consequence. Everyone deserves a chance to beat up a cop now and then.
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Yes obviously.Halifax2TheMax said:
Then POOTWH is your man.nicknyr15 said:
Very thick.Halifax2TheMax said:
Listen to you yourself. Simple assault on a cop, or anybody, if you don’t want to play favourites, should result in being held at Rikers pending trial, the average stay of which is 110 days? So, 110 days in jail to be found innocent, a potential outcome, correct? Where were you on this issue when the guy choked out the other and was released pending arraignment and trial? Crickets. Someone else posted equating assault with rape and murder. Listen to yourselves. The blood lust is thick.nicknyr15 said:
What about what about. Anything to fit your political outlook. Whatever happened to just what’s right is right? I know you hate cops but letting people go without bail after assaulting a police officer doesn’t set a good precedent. Get out of you political bubble for once and use some common sense.Halifax2TheMax said:
So the guy who choked out the other on the subway should be held at Rikers pending trial, right?cincybearcat said:
Being held pending trial isn’t penalty before conviction.mickeyrat said:penalty before conviction. alrighty then....0 -
In a thread about immigration that has been around for a decade and a half, it's pretty strange to me that there is hardly any conversation about the current bill that could very well improve things quite a bit that republicans, who never shut up about the issue, are about to kill for purely political purposes.
Nobody wants to talk about how full of shit that party is?
I mean if immigration is important to you, where is the outrage over the one party that is suddenly disinclined to do anything about the issue they claim to care about most?Post edited by The Juggler onwww.myspace.com0 -
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You believe in letting accused rapists and murderers roam free until after the trial and verdict? Based on your comment it would seem that you do.mickeyrat said:penalty before conviction. alrighty then....guess it begins with due process, and what you know the reason for bail to be in theory.and no. to your off base assumptions.and based off your statement I can reasonably infer you do not believe in the premise of innocent until proven guilty.....your statement quite clearly suggests punishment(penalty) prior to conviction._____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________
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We have a few pages back.The Juggler said:In a thread about immigration that has been around for a decade and a half, it's pretty strange to me that there is hardly any conversation about the current bill that could very well improve things quite a bit that republicans, who never shut up about the issue, are about to kill for purely political purposes.
Nobody wants to talk about how full of shit that party is?
I mean if immigration is important to you, where is the outrage over the one party that is suddenly disinclined to do anything about the issue they claim to care about most?0 -
Yeah… the silence about the GOP Border “Crisis” is deafening, both here and in the real world.The Juggler said:In a thread about immigration that has been around for a decade and a half, it's pretty strange to me that there is hardly any conversation about the current bill that could very well improve things quite a bit that republicans, who never shut up about the issue, are about to kill for purely political purposes.
Nobody wants to talk about how full of shit that party is?
I mean if immigration is important to you, where is the outrage over the one party that is suddenly disinclined to do anything about the issue they claim to care about most?0
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