14 years and counting...

tempo_n_groove

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

CM189191 said:

Ladder-maker Werner Co. to close Louisville plant, ship jobs to Mexico
https://www.wdrb.com/news/business/ladder-maker-werner-co-to-close-louisville-plant-ship-jobs/article_371d63e5-a6f5-5248-a71a-eb61ecbd1964.html

I have three Werner ladders.  I guess I will be taking them to the dump this weekend since they can't get on the MAGA agenda. 

Don't take them to the dump. Utilize the first R of the three Rs of recycling and walk them across the border so some immigrant can reuse them. Don't take up valuable landfill space.

Ladders are going to prove to be very useful to Mexicans after the great wall of the US gets built.

No.. Tunnels man, tunnels.  They've been digging for years, hell, even El Chapo's crew knows how to dig!

cincybearcat

Perhaps Trump was right...Mexicans will build the wall...have you seen a construction crew lately? I live in a new community and I'd say it's about 85-90% laborers that were either born in mexico or their parents were. And man - they get the job done but work very unsafely. The construction leaders in my neighborhood should be ashamed of themselves.

tempo_n_groove

cincybearcat said:

Perhaps Trump was right...Mexicans will build the wall...have you seen a construction crew lately? I live in a new community and I'd say it's about 85-90% laborers that were either born in mexico or their parents were. And man - they get the job done but work very unsafely. The construction leaders in my neighborhood should be ashamed of themselves.

This is the big argument to hire union workers, the constant unsafe conditions but here in NY they are watched like hawks, not sure about other places?

cincybearcat

tempo_n_groove said:

cincybearcat said:

Perhaps Trump was right...Mexicans will build the wall...have you seen a construction crew lately? I live in a new community and I'd say it's about 85-90% laborers that were either born in mexico or their parents were. And man - they get the job done but work very unsafely. The construction leaders in my neighborhood should be ashamed of themselves.

This is the big argument to hire union workers, the constant unsafe conditions but here in NY they are watched like hawks, not sure about other places?

You sure residential are watched like hawks?  

Construction has become a big sub-contractor business...so the construction company is just hiring a bunch of other companies to do the work.  And with each step away from a real company you get further away from safety.  I also helped manage a large construction project for work...we had extremely strict standards and expectations.  Still ended up having to walk people out for failing to meet safety standards (designed to protect them!).  Fall protection being the #1 reason.  No idea why some people take their lives for so little value.

As I was walking my home being built I saw a contractor use a board from a second floor room...laid across to a open area (would be window).  They used it as a walk way to carry drywall!  As they stepped it would tip up so they went slowly till their weight was more on the middle.  They did this while carrying drywall!!! I seriously thought I might see someone die.  I told the company that was building my house that this was not ok and they needed to ensure proper scaffolding.  But I've see it in our neighborhood and others still.  Mostly roof work.  Seriously scary. 

cincybearcat

tempo_n_groove said:

cincybearcat said:

Perhaps Trump was right...Mexicans will build the wall...have you seen a construction crew lately? I live in a new community and I'd say it's about 85-90% laborers that were either born in mexico or their parents were. And man - they get the job done but work very unsafely. The construction leaders in my neighborhood should be ashamed of themselves.

This is the big argument to hire union workers, the constant unsafe conditions but here in NY they are watched like hawks, not sure about other places?

In my professional experience Union workers are often more safe...but not always.  Sometimes they are worse.  Foremen make all the difference.

tempo_n_groove

cincybearcat said:

tempo_n_groove said:

cincybearcat said:

Perhaps Trump was right...Mexicans will build the wall...have you seen a construction crew lately? I live in a new community and I'd say it's about 85-90% laborers that were either born in mexico or their parents were. And man - they get the job done but work very unsafely. The construction leaders in my neighborhood should be ashamed of themselves.

This is the big argument to hire union workers, the constant unsafe conditions but here in NY they are watched like hawks, not sure about other places?

You sure residential are watched like hawks?  

Construction has become a big sub-contractor business...so the construction company is just hiring a bunch of other companies to do the work.  And with each step away from a real company you get further away from safety.  I also helped manage a large construction project for work...we had extremely strict standards and expectations.  Still ended up having to walk people out for failing to meet safety standards (designed to protect them!).  Fall protection being the #1 reason.  No idea why some people take their lives for so little value.

As I was walking my home being built I saw a contractor use a board from a second floor room...laid across to a open area (would be window).  They used it as a walk way to carry drywall!  As they stepped it would tip up so they went slowly till their weight was more on the middle.  They did this while carrying drywall!!! I seriously thought I might see someone die.  I told the company that was building my house that this was not ok and they needed to ensure proper scaffolding.  But I've see it in our neighborhood and others still.  Mostly roof work.  Seriously scary. 

The unions out here don't do the big residential/private buildings here in the city, all are non-union..  The little house in the suburbs are not watched but a bunch of companies have ramped up safety here.  More tying off, pump scaffolding and hardhats for roofing and siding now.

It's amazing the transformation.

Halifax2TheMax

For those that wonder about the challenges of improving society through democrtaic means in Central and South America to reduce the need for immigrtaion, look what happens in Mexico, right next door, in a farily prosperous counrtry, comparitively so:

In 2017, New York Times journalist Azam Ahmed revealed that the Mexican government was illegally using spyware to target the country’s most prominent human rights lawyers, journalists and anti-corruption activists. He worked with independent forensic experts to analyze dozens of text messages, which were used as lures to install the spyware on targets’ phones. While reporting, he realized he’d received identical messages. “For months after, my phone often malfunctioned,” he said. https://www.nytimes.com/subscription/multiproduct/lp8L4TR.html#mexico The US should bear pressure on Mexico to improve and reward them when they do. But a rising middle class is a threat to any power structure anywhere. And therein lies the problem.

Bentleyspop

https://twitter.com/NPR/status/1085718850644123649?s=19

Bentleyspop

https://twitter.com/MarkHertling/status/1086052811719278592?s=19

josevolution

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna959791
evil administration the whole lot should be in jail all of them the whole family should be in jail ...

oftenreading

Bentleyspop said:

https://twitter.com/MarkHertling/status/1086052811719278592?s=19

That is fantastic.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Bentleyspop said:

https://twitter.com/MarkHertling/status/1086052811719278592?s=19

Hilarious.

”That’s bullshit!”

tempo_n_groove

Bentleyspop said:

https://twitter.com/NPR/status/1085718850644123649?s=19

Great article. 

I'm glad they know how many got caught crossing but forget to mention they have no idea how many got in that they don't have documentation on....

tempo_n_groove

Bentleyspop said:

https://twitter.com/MarkHertling/status/1086052811719278592?s=19

HAHAHAHA!!!  Hysterical, but again with giving up your DNA?

PJ_Soul

Wall engineering expert explains why the wall is the stupidest fucking idea ever.

https://www.boredpanda.com/actual-engineer-wall-explanation-amy-patrick/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=BPFacebook

josevolution

PJ_Soul said:

Wall engineering expert explains why the wall is the stupidest fucking idea ever.

https://www.boredpanda.com/actual-engineer-wall-explanation-amy-patrick/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=BPFacebook

He doesn't need no engineers telling him about the wall he knows more than all the engineers combined lol 

cincybearcat

You know, the environmental impact study part of this never even entered my thinking until a few weeks ago. And it’s a very important point. 

HughFreakingDillon

cincybearcat said:

You know, the environmental impact study part of this never even entered my thinking until a few weeks ago. And it’s a very important point. 

I hadn't either. it's pretty damning on its own. it really should be damning enough to stop all discussion about it, even without all of the other negatives associated with this nonsense. 

Meltdown99

Walled world: Lessons from Europe's border barriers
https://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/longform/a-world-of-walls-europes-lessons-in-border-barriers?fbclid=IwAR3wy3lD5IooI5WUQOAHTDVuUjzWn3mqBU5h_DpclUP-jE_zWspJDtq4TxI

Looks like Trump is a tad late to the wall building.

oftenreading

cincybearcat said:

You know, the environmental impact study part of this never even entered my thinking until a few weeks ago. And it’s a very important point. 

It’s one of the most important points, but it won’t resonate with those who want to bring coal back.