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They’re going to those empty lake front homes in MN. And they need better restaurants up there anyway so it’s all good.mace1229 said:
And that's really a big part of the problem. Where do these people settle? Often in run-down areas that have already broken school, gang infested neighborhoods with bad living conditions that are still unaffordable. How many of these end up a great school district versus South-Central LA?PJ_Soul said:dignin said:As a Canadian I have no problem taking in legitimate refugees. I didn't have a problem with Syrian refugees coming here so why would I have a problem with American refugees?Ditto. I support doing everything possible to help refugees fleeing from the kinds of horrible conditions this caravan is fleeing from. I think they are worth some time, effort, and tax dollars. Stats show that refugees on the whole tend to contribute well to their new countries too, in the long run.All I would ask of our government is to be more strategic about where refugees go once they arrive. There needs to be a system where a ton of refugees aren't coming into a city already suffering from an unaffordable housing crisis. That is bad for everyone, especially the refugees. If the government set up supports for them in strategic locations across the country, that is where they'd go.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Gruff has a point with the sheer size.
One, there is no way these numbers cross the boarder every day as some have suggested. If so, that would be about 10% of our population every year.
These groups are larger than many cities in the US. And even though there may have been times where immigration had numbers of these size crossing, I have not heard of them being a single group at one time. Usually spread out over days and across several states.
So that is a concern, upwards of 10,000 people showing up at once in a single city, how are they supposed to be sheltered, fed, etc?
So no one sees a potential problem and health risk with somewhere between 7 - 10,000 people just showing up at the border?
How long will it take to process that? Where will they be held in the mean time? Whos going to cloth, shelter and feed that many during the process?
I'm not saying turn them all away, but its definitely worth discussing the potential risks. And as Gruff point out, setting this president. If its 7,000 this time, maybe its 20,000 next time.
I see news reports and articles trying to minimize the number by saying this like "50,000 migrants were taking into custody along the boarder last month, so this number is just a fraction of that." But that is a complete false comparison, They're comparing what happened over a month and a few thousand miles of border to what is going to happen in one single day in a single location.
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Its not that we don't see associated "problems" from it. Its that we don't fear "them" or the "problems." Are we, as a nation, not capable of solving "problems?" Or do we just fear "them?"
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Fear is what fuels the beliefs, ideas, and way of life for so many people.Halifax2TheMax said:Its not that we don't see associated "problems" from it. Its that we don't fear "them" or the "problems." Are we, as a nation, not capable of solving "problems?" Or do we just fear "them?"
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How would you solve upwards of 10,000 people showing up on the same day and place without proper clothing, food or shelter? Where do you put them? How do you feed them? How do you process them?0
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One way would be to ask the UN to intercede as they deal with this all the time. But seeing how they’ve been belittled by repubs for the past 20 years, the current national security advisor believes the UN headquarters could be flattened and nobody would notice and Team Trump Treason has refused to pay our dues, they’d tell us to go fuck ourselves, as would most other aid agencies, I suspect. And rightly so. It really isn’t that difficult.mace1229 said:How would you solve upwards of 10,000 people showing up on the same day and place without proper clothing, food or shelter? Where do you put them? How do you feed them? How do you process them?09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Why is this Americas problem? Is America the only country in the Western Hemisphere? Seems like a good time for Canada to step up while America refuses to do so. Other southern and Latin American countries can't step up?
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I believe Canada has and is stepping up. Some of the Canadian people here have mentioned that a few times in this thread.my2hands said:Serious question
Why is this Americas problem? Is America the only country in the Western Hemisphere? Seems like a good time for Canada to step up while America refuses to do so. Other southern and Latin American countries can't step up?www.myspace.com0 -
OMG. LOL. Really?The Juggler said:
I believe Canada has and is stepping up. Some of the Canadian people here have mentioned that a few times in this thread.my2hands said:Serious question
Why is this Americas problem? Is America the only country in the Western Hemisphere? Seems like a good time for Canada to step up while America refuses to do so. Other southern and Latin American countries can't step up?09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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A Tweet from 19 months ago was shared...The Juggler said:
I believe Canada has and is stepping up. Some of the Canadian people here have mentioned that a few times in this thread.my2hands said:Serious question
Why is this Americas problem? Is America the only country in the Western Hemisphere? Seems like a good time for Canada to step up while America refuses to do so. Other southern and Latin American countries can't step up?
I'm aware they took some Syrian refugees... which is awesome... I disagreed with the American approach to that crisis
But this is a crisis in the Western Hemisphere... why is this being looked at strictly as an American issue? Where is Canada and the other leaders in this half of the world? Why wait for America to fail to act or a calamity, why not be proactive in a crisis?0 -
Migrant caravan numbers have now swelled to 7,000. yikes. How do you process that many people? Where do you put them? How do you take care of that many at one time?I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0
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We dealt with 50,000 people last month. I'm sure we can handle this. Also, Mexico estimates the number at around 3,700.mcgruff10 said:Migrant caravan numbers have now swelled to 7,000. yikes. How do you process that many people? Where do you put them? How do you take care of that many at one time?
Caravan's have been coming for years. Main difference now is the president wants to scare up his racist base to the voting booths in 9 days. I suspect we'll hear a lot less about this after 11/ 6...
Gonna take them 4-5 weeks to walk across the entire country of Mexico. Relax. This is no crisis. Immigration in general has been on the decline for quite some time now.www.myspace.com0 -
Yeah but that is 1,666 a day over the whole border. How do you safely process 7,000 in one place?The Juggler said:
We dealt with 50,000 people last month. I'm sure we can handle this. Also, Mexico estimates the number at around 3,700.mcgruff10 said:Migrant caravan numbers have now swelled to 7,000. yikes. How do you process that many people? Where do you put them? How do you take care of that many at one time?
Caravan's have been coming for years. Main difference now is the president wants to scare up his racist base to the voting booths in 9 days. I suspect we'll hear a lot less about this after 11/ 6...
Gonna take them 4-5 weeks to walk across the entire country of Mexico. Relax. This is no crisis. Immigration in general has been on the decline for quite some time now.I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
Umm, well, because the United States happens to be a pretty large road block between Mexico and Canada.....haha You think they're gonna walk right up and through the entire United States to get to Canada?my2hands said:
A Tweet from 19 months ago was shared...The Juggler said:
I believe Canada has and is stepping up. Some of the Canadian people here have mentioned that a few times in this thread.my2hands said:Serious question
Why is this Americas problem? Is America the only country in the Western Hemisphere? Seems like a good time for Canada to step up while America refuses to do so. Other southern and Latin American countries can't step up?
I'm aware they took some Syrian refugees... which is awesome... I disagreed with the American approach to that crisis
But this is a crisis in the Western Hemisphere... why is this being looked at strictly as an American issue? Where is Canada and the other leaders in this half of the world? Why wait for America to fail to act or a calamity, why not be proactive in a crisis?www.myspace.com0 -
https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-latin-america-45999610
Mexico is helping..jesus greets me looks just like me ....0 -
Syria is on another continent, we all know they helped out there. America doesn't border Central America either.The Juggler said:
Umm, well, because the United States happens to be a pretty large road block between Mexico and Canada.....haha You think they're gonna walk right up and through the entire United States to get to Canada?my2hands said:
A Tweet from 19 months ago was shared...The Juggler said:
I believe Canada has and is stepping up. Some of the Canadian people here have mentioned that a few times in this thread.my2hands said:Serious question
Why is this Americas problem? Is America the only country in the Western Hemisphere? Seems like a good time for Canada to step up while America refuses to do so. Other southern and Latin American countries can't step up?
I'm aware they took some Syrian refugees... which is awesome... I disagreed with the American approach to that crisis
But this is a crisis in the Western Hemisphere... why is this being looked at strictly as an American issue? Where is Canada and the other leaders in this half of the world? Why wait for America to fail to act or a calamity, why not be proactive in a crisis?
Negotiate safe passage through America to Canada just like the billions of dollars of goods that easily make it from border to border daily.
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There we go... I wonder why as a caveat they would force them to stay in the southern Chiapas and Oaxaca states? Mexico is huge, why force them to stay there?josevolution said:https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-latin-america-45999610
Mexico is helping..
The truth is most wont apply to Mexico to stay even if allowed, they want to come here. That is mentioned in the article0 -
I agree I’m sure there will be a few to just stay in Mexico just to try to make some cash and rest try making the trek at a later date ..my2hands said:
There we go... I wonder why as a caveat they would force them to stay in the southern Chiapas and Oaxaca states? Mexico is huge, why force them to stay there?josevolution said:https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-latin-america-45999610
Mexico is helping..
The truth is most wont apply to Mexico to stay even if allowed, they want to come here. That is mentioned in the articlejesus greets me looks just like me ....0 -
YouiYou at have ignored my post on the subject.my2hands said:
A Tweet from 19 months ago was shared...The Juggler said:
I believe Canada has and is stepping up. Some of the Canadian people here have mentioned that a few times in this thread.my2hands said:Serious question
Why is this Americas problem? Is America the only country in the Western Hemisphere? Seems like a good time for Canada to step up while America refuses to do so. Other southern and Latin American countries can't step up?
I'm aware they took some Syrian refugees... which is awesome... I disagreed with the American approach to that crisis
But this is a crisis in the Western Hemisphere... why is this being looked at strictly as an American issue? Where is Canada and the other leaders in this half of the world? Why wait for America to fail to act or a calamity, why not be proactive in a crisis?
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
Might be a good idea to wait until January 2021 loljosevolution said:
I agree I’m sure there will be a few to just stay in Mexico just to try to make some cash and rest try making the trek at a later date ..my2hands said:
There we go... I wonder why as a caveat they would force them to stay in the southern Chiapas and Oaxaca states? Mexico is huge, why force them to stay there?josevolution said:https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-latin-america-45999610
Mexico is helping..
The truth is most wont apply to Mexico to stay even if allowed, they want to come here. That is mentioned in the article0
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