Sorry to hear of your of your problems.............
But I am sure that Hartford alone washed all that away!!!
For sure!!!
That has been one of the best PJ concert ever!
00: Milan
06: Verona, Milan, Pistoia
07: Storm in Venice, Copenhagen, Nijmegen
08: Camden I, MSG I, MSG II, Hartford
09: Berlin, Manchester, London
10: Dublin, Belfast, Berlin, Venice
11: East Troy1, East Troy2, Montreal, Toronto1, Toronto2
sorry about your unpleasant experience but you see America has become a police state.
being from Italy I'm sure you are not new to fascism.
I exactly thought about it when this things happened, remind me the tales about our grandparents and what they have experienced from '39 to '45...but this doesn't mean that I'm used about it...
00: Milan
06: Verona, Milan, Pistoia
07: Storm in Venice, Copenhagen, Nijmegen
08: Camden I, MSG I, MSG II, Hartford
09: Berlin, Manchester, London
10: Dublin, Belfast, Berlin, Venice
11: East Troy1, East Troy2, Montreal, Toronto1, Toronto2
yeah.. the fascism your relatives faced is similar to not being able to bring a cookie into a concert
I much think about the story #2...
00: Milan
06: Verona, Milan, Pistoia
07: Storm in Venice, Copenhagen, Nijmegen
08: Camden I, MSG I, MSG II, Hartford
09: Berlin, Manchester, London
10: Dublin, Belfast, Berlin, Venice
11: East Troy1, East Troy2, Montreal, Toronto1, Toronto2
Biss....does your girlfriend wear an "medical alert bracelet", indicating her
diabetes and wouldn't that "alert" the security people that indeed she really needed her cookies??? Maybe it's just a Canadian thing not sure?
Peace,
________________________
Too many shows but never enough!
These guys are the fruit of the earth...
yeah.. the fascism your relatives faced is similar to not being able to bring a cookie into a concert
not the cookies!!the cops yelling and rifling through his shit while placing their hands on their guns(anything locked in the trunk is covered by the Fourth Amendment)!! yeah that is like what they went through back in the day!!(and you will be seeing much more of this in America in the future)
Biss....does your girlfriend wear an "medical alert bracelet", indicating her
diabetes and wouldn't that "alert" the security people that indeed she really needed her cookies??? Maybe it's just a Canadian thing not sure?
She had some papers in english as well to prove the problem but they didn't want to give me the time to call her, she was in the poster queue...
00: Milan
06: Verona, Milan, Pistoia
07: Storm in Venice, Copenhagen, Nijmegen
08: Camden I, MSG I, MSG II, Hartford
09: Berlin, Manchester, London
10: Dublin, Belfast, Berlin, Venice
11: East Troy1, East Troy2, Montreal, Toronto1, Toronto2
not the cookies!!the cops yelling and rifling through his shit while placing their hands on their guns(anything locked in the trunk is covered by the Fourth Amendment)!! yeah that is like what they went through back in the day!!(and you will be seeing much more of this in America in the future)
lol...whoops.. my mistake
Buffalo - 1996; Montreal, Hartford - 1998; San Antonio - 2003; Milwaukee - 2006; Berkeley II - 2008; MSG I - 2008
not the cookies!!the cops yelling and rifling through his shit while placing their hands on their guns(anything locked in the trunk is covered by the Fourth Amendment)!! yeah that is like what they went through back in the day!!(and you will be seeing much more of this in America in the future)
Great Crazy Breed,
this is the point!
I've travel a bit in the crazy/amazing world, let me explain what happened in Holland when I was with some friend coming back to Italy by car:
We were driving from Amsterdam to Milan, got no GPS and we were lost.
My buddy was driving and said: " May I check the map?" and he rest it on the steering wheel, we were not driving fast and everything was safe.
A cop car stopped us going ahead with the car flashing in italian the instruction to stop safely behind him.
He came out saying:"Hi my name it's Rob, what's yours?"
we answere:"Andrea and Giulio (my buddy) + girlfriends"
He said :" Maybe you are lost, right?Please Andrea, it's safer if you read the map while Giulio is driving, isn't it? Now if you want I can take you to the right way to go back to Italy and when I will flash the light that will be your exit! Thanks for visiting Holland, did you have fun?!?"
and we said:" Sure thanks Rob!!!"
Rob: "You are welcome Andrea & Giulio!"
This is the difference...
00: Milan
06: Verona, Milan, Pistoia
07: Storm in Venice, Copenhagen, Nijmegen
08: Camden I, MSG I, MSG II, Hartford
09: Berlin, Manchester, London
10: Dublin, Belfast, Berlin, Venice
11: East Troy1, East Troy2, Montreal, Toronto1, Toronto2
Great Crazy Breed,
this is the point!
I've travel a bit in the crazy/amazing world, let me explain what happened in Holland when I was with some friend coming back to Italy by car:
We were driving from Amsterdam to Milan, got no GPS and we were lost.
My buddy was driving and said: " May I check the map?" and he rest it on the steering wheel, we were not driving fast and everything was safe.
A cop car stopped us going ahead with the car flashing in italian the instruction to stop safely behind him.
He came out saying:"Hi my name it's Rob, what's yours?"
we answere:"Andrea and Giulio (my buddy) + girlfriends"
He said :" Maybe you are lost, right?Please Andrea, it's safer if you read the map while Giulio is driving, isn't it? Now if you want I can take you to the right way to go back to Italy and when I will flash the light that will be your exit! Thanks for visiting Holland, did you have fun?!?"
and we said:" Sure thanks Rob!!!"
Rob: "You are welcome Andrea & Giulio!"
Yes, I understand but why they doesn't use the brain?
Because then they get fired.
I pledge to you a government that will not only work well, but wisely, its ability to act tempered by prudence, and its willingness to do good, balanced by the knowledge that government is never more dangerous than when our desire to have it help us blinds us to its great power to harm us.
-Reagan
It's really incredibile but it's like this, in Italy it's not so exaggerate but just normal behaviour, stop you and if everything it's ok just go, if not depends of what happen, but always always kind even if you made an "infraction"...
00: Milan
06: Verona, Milan, Pistoia
07: Storm in Venice, Copenhagen, Nijmegen
08: Camden I, MSG I, MSG II, Hartford
09: Berlin, Manchester, London
10: Dublin, Belfast, Berlin, Venice
11: East Troy1, East Troy2, Montreal, Toronto1, Toronto2
It's really incredibile but it's like this, in Italy it's not so exaggerate but just normal behaviour, stop you and if everything it's ok just go, if not depends of what happen, but always always kind even if you made an "infraction"...
i know i'm probably coming across like a jerk in this thread.. but whatever.. we are only hearing this story from 1 side... maybe the police had a legitimate reason.. driving wrong way down a 1 way street sounds extremely shady. remember this is nyc and even 7 years later everyone is on high alert.
Buffalo - 1996; Montreal, Hartford - 1998; San Antonio - 2003; Milwaukee - 2006; Berkeley II - 2008; MSG I - 2008
not the cookies!!the cops yelling and rifling through his shit while placing their hands on their guns(anything locked in the trunk is covered by the Fourth Amendment)!! yeah that is like what they went through back in the day!!(and you will be seeing much more of this in America in the future)
I'm pretty sure the cops can search your trunk with probable cause, which, I believe driving the wrong way down a one-way would be.
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
I'm pretty sure the cops can search your trunk with probable cause, which, I believe driving the wrong way down a one-way would be.
It's actually quite complicated. Depends on what the probable cause is for. The trunk exception to the search and seizure laws of the 4th amendment has been tried and tested about a million times, and there are many, many different rules and exceptions. It takes about a month to get through it in the first year of law school.
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i know i'm probably coming across like a jerk in this thread.. but whatever.. we are only hearing this story from 1 side... maybe the police had a legitimate reason.. driving wrong way down a 1 way street sounds extremely shady. remember this is nyc and even 7 years later everyone is on high alert.
well...you are right, this is just one side:mine.
But believe me, I was wrong and probably I had to pay with a "sanction" or something but I can't explain anything to them, they just scream with the gun in their hands...ok for the high alert for the first 5min, but 2 young persons, man and his girlfriend, with a GPS an a car for rent (they know that was for rent becouse I said I cannot open the trunk from inside because I don't know how,the car it's for rent!) in the middle of the night, saying that they are italian tourist looking for the 40th to give back the car, in normal clothing...who do you think am I?!?!?
Do they have to keep on screeming like crazy people?!?!? (they seems surely more doped then us)
00: Milan
06: Verona, Milan, Pistoia
07: Storm in Venice, Copenhagen, Nijmegen
08: Camden I, MSG I, MSG II, Hartford
09: Berlin, Manchester, London
10: Dublin, Belfast, Berlin, Venice
11: East Troy1, East Troy2, Montreal, Toronto1, Toronto2
Actually, this excerpt is pretty much true. I just copied and pasted something, but I think it hits most of the basics. Specific scenarios have other exceptions...
There are many times when the police can search your entire car, including your trunk, glove box, and even locked containers within your car, without a warrant. I'll lay out four of the most common techniques are used to search cars.
(1) Consent. Can't go wrong here. If you ask for consent to search and the driver (or person in charge of the vehicle) gives you consent, you can search the entire vehicle. The consenting party has the authority to withdraw their consent and/or limit the areas you can search.
On reasons (2) through (4) consent makes no difference. If the police can meet one of these requirements, they will legally search your car with or without your consent.
(2) Probable Cause. If you develop probable cause during a traffic stop, you may search the vehicle without a warrant. This is commonly called the "motor vehicle exception" to the search warrant rule. The authority for the police to do so was first established under a US supreme court case called Carroll v. United States. The courts have since expanded on this case and allowed the police to search items within the vehicle regardless of who claims ownership of the items. Under this technique, the police can only search areas where it is reasonable to believe the contraband they are searching for may be found. For example, if the police believe they are lookng for a rifle, they would not be able to search a purse. However, if they find the rifle and now believe they might be looking ammunition, the search of the purse is good.
(3) Pursuant to arrest. If the police arrest you for a bookable offense while operating a motor vehicle, they may search the areas under your control (including the passenger compartment and possibly other areas of the car) for contraband or weapons that you may have discarded. This authority is established under case law named Chimel v. California.
(4) Inventory search - If the police have the authority to tow your car, they may search it under the premise that they need to inventory all items contained within the car prior to towing the car. These searches were upheld under the community caretaking doctrine established under South Dakota v. Opperman.
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Anybody who thinks Obama is gonna change the way we are treated as "free people" is very very gravely wrong.
I pledge to you a government that will not only work well, but wisely, its ability to act tempered by prudence, and its willingness to do good, balanced by the knowledge that government is never more dangerous than when our desire to have it help us blinds us to its great power to harm us.
-Reagan
well...you are right, this is just one side:mine.
But believe me, I was wrong and probably I had to pay with a "sanction" or something but I can't explain anything to them, they just scream with the gun in their hands...ok for the high alert for the first 5min, but 2 young persons, man and his girlfriend, with a GPS an a car for rent (they know that was for rent becouse I said I cannot open the trunk from inside because I don't know how,the car it's for rent!) in the middle of the night, saying that they are italian tourist looking for the 40th to give back the car, in normal clothing...who do you think am I?!?!?
Do they have to keep on screeming like crazy people?!?!? (they seems surely more doped then us)
Making an highly illegal maneuver in a car that could endangered pedestrians and other vehicles at a time of the evening when most people who are awake are up to no good, refusing (regardless of it was because of lack of knowledge or other reasons) to open their trunk which could be used to carry illegal items (bombs, drugs, guns) in a city that is known to be a target and still in shock of the events from 7 years ago...
the cops weren't hassling you because they were bored. i'm sure they had a justified reason. (see above)
Buffalo - 1996; Montreal, Hartford - 1998; San Antonio - 2003; Milwaukee - 2006; Berkeley II - 2008; MSG I - 2008
Foreigners with a GPS in the car driving the wrong way down a one way street looks highly suspicious, especially in this age of Terrorism. They were searching your trunk for a bomb. Its just the American thing to do.
Foreigners with a GPS in the car driving the wrong way down a one way street looks highly suspicious, especially in this age of Terrorism. They were searching your trunk for a bomb. Its just the American thing to do.
exactly Williedog, it's what I mean...just "good sense", "wisdom" or whatever you say...
I respect everybody's point of view, but story #1 as story#2 are a matter of that ... good sense.
I guess that in USA as in Italy (written in our constitution) the sovereignty it's popular owned by people...so security it's made of people as police, as institutions etc...
Just points of view...
00: Milan
06: Verona, Milan, Pistoia
07: Storm in Venice, Copenhagen, Nijmegen
08: Camden I, MSG I, MSG II, Hartford
09: Berlin, Manchester, London
10: Dublin, Belfast, Berlin, Venice
11: East Troy1, East Troy2, Montreal, Toronto1, Toronto2
exactly Williedog, it's what I mean...just "good sense", "wisdom" or whatever you say...
I respect everybody's point of view, but story #1 as story#2 are a matter of that ... good sense.
I guess that in USA as in Italy (written in our constitution) the sovereignty it's popular owned by people...so security it's made of people as police, as institutions etc...
Just points of view...
It's really just a better safe than sorry policy.. For every 1000 cookies they make people throw away or people they pull over at 4 am, all it take is 1 to get through and cause damage.
Buffalo - 1996; Montreal, Hartford - 1998; San Antonio - 2003; Milwaukee - 2006; Berkeley II - 2008; MSG I - 2008
Comments
Yes...yes it's me!!!!!!
Thank you!!!!!
Sorry to hear of your of your problems.............
But I am sure that Hartford alone washed all that away!!!
That has been one of the best PJ concert ever!
06: Verona, Milan, Pistoia
07: Storm in Venice, Copenhagen, Nijmegen
08: Camden I, MSG I, MSG II, Hartford
09: Berlin, Manchester, London
10: Dublin, Belfast, Berlin, Venice
11: East Troy1, East Troy2, Montreal, Toronto1, Toronto2
Next Tour: everywere!
being from Italy I'm sure you are not new to fascism.
I exactly thought about it when this things happened, remind me the tales about our grandparents and what they have experienced from '39 to '45...but this doesn't mean that I'm used about it...
06: Verona, Milan, Pistoia
07: Storm in Venice, Copenhagen, Nijmegen
08: Camden I, MSG I, MSG II, Hartford
09: Berlin, Manchester, London
10: Dublin, Belfast, Berlin, Venice
11: East Troy1, East Troy2, Montreal, Toronto1, Toronto2
Next Tour: everywere!
yeah.. the fascism your relatives faced is similar to not being able to bring a cookie into a concert
MSG I pics: http://s284.photobucket.com/albums/ll22/nimsu8/MSG 1/
I much think about the story #2...
06: Verona, Milan, Pistoia
07: Storm in Venice, Copenhagen, Nijmegen
08: Camden I, MSG I, MSG II, Hartford
09: Berlin, Manchester, London
10: Dublin, Belfast, Berlin, Venice
11: East Troy1, East Troy2, Montreal, Toronto1, Toronto2
Next Tour: everywere!
diabetes and wouldn't that "alert" the security people that indeed she really needed her cookies??? Maybe it's just a Canadian thing not sure?
________________________
Too many shows but never enough!
These guys are the fruit of the earth...
not the cookies!!the cops yelling and rifling through his shit while placing their hands on their guns(anything locked in the trunk is covered by the Fourth Amendment)!! yeah that is like what they went through back in the day!!(and you will be seeing much more of this in America in the future)
She had some papers in english as well to prove the problem but they didn't want to give me the time to call her, she was in the poster queue...
06: Verona, Milan, Pistoia
07: Storm in Venice, Copenhagen, Nijmegen
08: Camden I, MSG I, MSG II, Hartford
09: Berlin, Manchester, London
10: Dublin, Belfast, Berlin, Venice
11: East Troy1, East Troy2, Montreal, Toronto1, Toronto2
Next Tour: everywere!
lol...whoops.. my mistake
MSG I pics: http://s284.photobucket.com/albums/ll22/nimsu8/MSG 1/
awwwww post que.....
________________________
Too many shows but never enough!
These guys are the fruit of the earth...
Great Crazy Breed,
this is the point!
I've travel a bit in the crazy/amazing world, let me explain what happened in Holland when I was with some friend coming back to Italy by car:
We were driving from Amsterdam to Milan, got no GPS and we were lost.
My buddy was driving and said: " May I check the map?" and he rest it on the steering wheel, we were not driving fast and everything was safe.
A cop car stopped us going ahead with the car flashing in italian the instruction to stop safely behind him.
He came out saying:"Hi my name it's Rob, what's yours?"
we answere:"Andrea and Giulio (my buddy) + girlfriends"
He said :" Maybe you are lost, right?Please Andrea, it's safer if you read the map while Giulio is driving, isn't it? Now if you want I can take you to the right way to go back to Italy and when I will flash the light that will be your exit! Thanks for visiting Holland, did you have fun?!?"
and we said:" Sure thanks Rob!!!"
Rob: "You are welcome Andrea & Giulio!"
This is the difference...
06: Verona, Milan, Pistoia
07: Storm in Venice, Copenhagen, Nijmegen
08: Camden I, MSG I, MSG II, Hartford
09: Berlin, Manchester, London
10: Dublin, Belfast, Berlin, Venice
11: East Troy1, East Troy2, Montreal, Toronto1, Toronto2
Next Tour: everywere!
Elect Obama: Outside food and drinks allowed
for the least they could possibly do
Jesus Christ.
No outside food or drink = fascism?!?
It has nothing to do with "police state." It's more like, you know, venue rules.
for the least they could possibly do
wow!!! i thought that only happened in movies
keep reading before you reply!!!!!(read when he got pulled over in NYC)
Obama isn't going to change a dam thing.he is just as much a puppet douche-bag as McCain!
Because then they get fired.
-Reagan
06: Verona, Milan, Pistoia
07: Storm in Venice, Copenhagen, Nijmegen
08: Camden I, MSG I, MSG II, Hartford
09: Berlin, Manchester, London
10: Dublin, Belfast, Berlin, Venice
11: East Troy1, East Troy2, Montreal, Toronto1, Toronto2
Next Tour: everywere!
i know i'm probably coming across like a jerk in this thread.. but whatever.. we are only hearing this story from 1 side... maybe the police had a legitimate reason.. driving wrong way down a 1 way street sounds extremely shady. remember this is nyc and even 7 years later everyone is on high alert.
MSG I pics: http://s284.photobucket.com/albums/ll22/nimsu8/MSG 1/
Alright, good point.
for the least they could possibly do
I'm pretty sure the cops can search your trunk with probable cause, which, I believe driving the wrong way down a one-way would be.
for the least they could possibly do
It's actually quite complicated. Depends on what the probable cause is for. The trunk exception to the search and seizure laws of the 4th amendment has been tried and tested about a million times, and there are many, many different rules and exceptions. It takes about a month to get through it in the first year of law school.
But believe me, I was wrong and probably I had to pay with a "sanction" or something but I can't explain anything to them, they just scream with the gun in their hands...ok for the high alert for the first 5min, but 2 young persons, man and his girlfriend, with a GPS an a car for rent (they know that was for rent becouse I said I cannot open the trunk from inside because I don't know how,the car it's for rent!) in the middle of the night, saying that they are italian tourist looking for the 40th to give back the car, in normal clothing...who do you think am I?!?!?
Do they have to keep on screeming like crazy people?!?!? (they seems surely more doped then us)
06: Verona, Milan, Pistoia
07: Storm in Venice, Copenhagen, Nijmegen
08: Camden I, MSG I, MSG II, Hartford
09: Berlin, Manchester, London
10: Dublin, Belfast, Berlin, Venice
11: East Troy1, East Troy2, Montreal, Toronto1, Toronto2
Next Tour: everywere!
There are many times when the police can search your entire car, including your trunk, glove box, and even locked containers within your car, without a warrant. I'll lay out four of the most common techniques are used to search cars.
(1) Consent. Can't go wrong here. If you ask for consent to search and the driver (or person in charge of the vehicle) gives you consent, you can search the entire vehicle. The consenting party has the authority to withdraw their consent and/or limit the areas you can search.
On reasons (2) through (4) consent makes no difference. If the police can meet one of these requirements, they will legally search your car with or without your consent.
(2) Probable Cause. If you develop probable cause during a traffic stop, you may search the vehicle without a warrant. This is commonly called the "motor vehicle exception" to the search warrant rule. The authority for the police to do so was first established under a US supreme court case called Carroll v. United States. The courts have since expanded on this case and allowed the police to search items within the vehicle regardless of who claims ownership of the items. Under this technique, the police can only search areas where it is reasonable to believe the contraband they are searching for may be found. For example, if the police believe they are lookng for a rifle, they would not be able to search a purse. However, if they find the rifle and now believe they might be looking ammunition, the search of the purse is good.
(3) Pursuant to arrest. If the police arrest you for a bookable offense while operating a motor vehicle, they may search the areas under your control (including the passenger compartment and possibly other areas of the car) for contraband or weapons that you may have discarded. This authority is established under case law named Chimel v. California.
(4) Inventory search - If the police have the authority to tow your car, they may search it under the premise that they need to inventory all items contained within the car prior to towing the car. These searches were upheld under the community caretaking doctrine established under South Dakota v. Opperman.
-Reagan
Making an highly illegal maneuver in a car that could endangered pedestrians and other vehicles at a time of the evening when most people who are awake are up to no good, refusing (regardless of it was because of lack of knowledge or other reasons) to open their trunk which could be used to carry illegal items (bombs, drugs, guns) in a city that is known to be a target and still in shock of the events from 7 years ago...
the cops weren't hassling you because they were bored. i'm sure they had a justified reason. (see above)
MSG I pics: http://s284.photobucket.com/albums/ll22/nimsu8/MSG 1/
exactly Williedog, it's what I mean...just "good sense", "wisdom" or whatever you say...
I respect everybody's point of view, but story #1 as story#2 are a matter of that ... good sense.
I guess that in USA as in Italy (written in our constitution) the sovereignty it's popular owned by people...so security it's made of people as police, as institutions etc...
Just points of view...
06: Verona, Milan, Pistoia
07: Storm in Venice, Copenhagen, Nijmegen
08: Camden I, MSG I, MSG II, Hartford
09: Berlin, Manchester, London
10: Dublin, Belfast, Berlin, Venice
11: East Troy1, East Troy2, Montreal, Toronto1, Toronto2
Next Tour: everywere!
It's really just a better safe than sorry policy.. For every 1000 cookies they make people throw away or people they pull over at 4 am, all it take is 1 to get through and cause damage.
MSG I pics: http://s284.photobucket.com/albums/ll22/nimsu8/MSG 1/