MLB 2025 Season

Indifference71

The Juggler said:

I guess this is obvious, but they're going to do long lasting damage to this sport if there is no season this year. 

A bunch of fucking billionaires and millionaires arguing about money when 40 million people lost their jobs is not a good look.

Yep.  But hey, at least MLB has a really young fanbase!  It really is amazing how badly they have fucked this up.

Ledbetterman10

This is nice. Harper calling Radcliff and welcoming him. It'll be cool when they meet in person....next year.

https://twitter.com/Phillies/status/1272538728251240450?s=20

F Me In The Brain

MayDay10 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

MayDay10 said:

Im hoping for no season to be honest, even if it would be terrible for the Indians.

I want to see the economic system for professional baseball burned down to the studs and re-built.  It is the worst of the 4 major sports and is not sustainable.  

Might as well use this pandemic, already lost half or more of the season, and make it 'the big one' to break the Union, much like the NHL in 2005.  

Don't you think the problem with this is that the NHL teams were in trouble in general and MLB has never made more money than it did last year?

I'm all for your idea if the end result is lower pricing to fans in comparable fashion

We know that is unlikely, though.

Don't agree with the players being the boogie man in all of this 
Should they get such huge salaries?
Sure, if TV contracts and team revenues are what they are.

The things that have hurt professional baseball is both the large markets and the MLBPA.  Both have selfishly pushed the status quo for too long, and that dope Manfred (ironically now) was a product of that.

With these leagues, I am a big fan of the socialized approach where revenue is shared, and the Players' Association negotiates a % of the total revenues (then all the smaller things fall in line like FA age, and other machinations). 

Players should get a % of the revenue.  Like it is now, it is off kilter.  You are getting this class of players where the top tier is way too out of whack/extreme (like contracts approaching a half-billion).  A team like my Indians can never afford to keep their own best players and it sucks as a fan and drains interest.  A large part of baseball is the nostalgia and the iconic players who are identified with teams.  

And the stunt with vaporizing much of MiLB is also counter-productive and will help snuff out baseball in a generation.  I always say that in 50 years, at this trajectory, baseball will have gone the way of Boxing and Horse Racing.  

Not sure I agree with all the ideas but it is tough to argue the issues you point at

Will be interesting to see.

The Juggler

Indifference71 said:

The Juggler said:

I guess this is obvious, but they're going to do long lasting damage to this sport if there is no season this year. 

A bunch of fucking billionaires and millionaires arguing about money when 40 million people lost their jobs is not a good look.

Yep.  But hey, at least MLB has a really young fanbase!  It really is amazing how badly they have fucked this up.

I know right? It boggles my fucking mind. 

I also think a 50 game season or whatever is bullshit but that will no doubt create a buzz about this sport that really needs one. They're missing a huge opportunity to grow the game. Not surprising though. 

Assuming all these things are able to to go, we're gonna have NBA playoffs, hockey playoffs, the NFL, and golf majors all happening around the same time. Fucking baseball. Idiots. 

cutz

No Season ?

https://www.thescore.com/mlb/news/1977514

Report: More than 8 MLB owners don't want a season in 2020

Jason Wilson

6h ago

Tim Clayton - Corbis / Corbis Sport / Getty

For months, it seemed like a foregone conclusion there would be a Major League Baseball season in 2020. The only question appeared to be in reference to what form it would take in the face of a global pandemic.

On Monday, commissioner Rob Manfred said he's no longer confident a season will take place, and apparently some owners want it that way.

"There are definitely more than eight owners who don’t want to play," a player agent said, according to Ken Rosenthal and Evan Drellich of The Athletic.

It's been reported that Manfred has the authority to implement a shortened schedule with the expected length running between 50-60 games (a theoretical 48-game schedule is not being considered). However, after the players rejected the most recent proposal from the league, Manfred is apparently reluctant to impose his schedule because it may result in a grievance from the union.

Manfred needs support from 75% of owners (23) to unilaterally implement the schedule.

After calling the stalled negotiations a "disaster" on ESPN on Monday, Manfred wants the bickering with the union to stop so a suitable agreement can be reached, sources told Rosenthal.

The crux of the uncertainty is a disagreement over pay and finances. The MLBPA wants the owners to pay out full prorated salaries for the amount of games played, as stated in the original March agreement.

The owners have stated that without fans, full prorated salaries are untenable due to prospective financial losses. They've also said there was an understanding that the prorated agreement could be modified if fans were not allowed to return to ballparks.

For now, the season remains up in the air. Players have voiced their displeasure with the negotiations, and it's expected that the acrimony during these discussions could have a far-reaching effect on CBA negotiations after the 2021 campaign.

Ledbetterman10

Great...so now we have Harper until he's 39. 

pjhawks

 baseball union is the worst. fuck Boras and the players.  although why didn't the owners put in a clause in the March agreement if no fans were allowed? someone fucked that up.

saw a story on Twitter that Mookie Betts becomes a free agent after this year even if there is no season. so he may never play a game for the Dodgers.  If that is true kind of funny.

Cliffy6745

I will never in my life understand the line of thinking that roots for the owners over the players everyone loves watch play. It’s fucking mind boggling.

Yeah the MLB union should be more like the bitch ass NFL union where former players are going brain dead and teams can drop players whenever they want 

F Me In The Brain

Ha.  Agree.  F the owners in this particular equation.  

Poncier

pjhawks said:

  

saw a story on Twitter that Mookie Betts becomes a free agent after this year even if there is no season. so he may never play a game for the Dodgers.  If that is true kind of funny.

Yep. Makes a lopsided trade in the Dodgers' favor become a lopsided trade in the Red Sox' favor when he signs with the Braves.

tempo_n_groove

If there is no season this year y'all need to take a break.

The Juggler

Cliffy6745 said:

I will never in my life understand the line of thinking that roots for the owners over the players everyone loves watch play. It’s fucking mind boggling.

Yeah the MLB union should be more like the bitch ass NFL union where former players are going brain dead and teams can drop players whenever they want 

Who gives a shit about rooting interests between billionaire owners and millionaire players? They're all a bunch of fucking idiots for dropping the ball like this. 

cutz

Poncier said:

pjhawks said:

  

saw a story on Twitter that Mookie Betts becomes a free agent after this year even if there is no season. so he may never play a game for the Dodgers.  If that is true kind of funny.

Yep. Makes a lopsided trade in the Dodgers' favor become a lopsided trade in the Red Sox' favor when he signs with the Braves.

I see I'm not the only one who said the Braves. 

Braves make a offer in the neighborhood of other teams I won't be surprised if Mookie went to the Braves. But do they  have the money?

pjhawks

Cliffy6745 said:

I will never in my life understand the line of thinking that roots for the owners over the players everyone loves watch play. It’s fucking mind boggling.

Yeah the MLB union should be more like the bitch ass NFL union where former players are going brain dead and teams can drop players whenever they want 

I don’t root for the owners I just understand the players never win vs the owners. Also most things Scott Boras is for I am against on the basic principal that he is a piece of shit.

And yea it’s the players union fault ex-nfl players have head injuries. Come on cliffy your smarter than that.  

Cliffy6745

The Juggler said:

Cliffy6745 said:

I will never in my life understand the line of thinking that roots for the owners over the players everyone loves watch play. It’s fucking mind boggling.

Yeah the MLB union should be more like the bitch ass NFL union where former players are going brain dead and teams can drop players whenever they want 

Who gives a shit about rooting interests between billionaire owners and millionaire players? They're all a bunch of fucking idiots for dropping the ball like this. 

Fair, but the debate here has been owners vs. players.

Cliffy6745

pjhawks said:

Cliffy6745 said:

I will never in my life understand the line of thinking that roots for the owners over the players everyone loves watch play. It’s fucking mind boggling.

Yeah the MLB union should be more like the bitch ass NFL union where former players are going brain dead and teams can drop players whenever they want 

I don’t root for the owners I just understand the players never win vs the owners. Also most things Scott Boras is for I am against on the basic principal that he is a piece of shit.

And yea it’s the players union fault ex-nfl players have head injuries. Come on cliffy your smarter than that.  

Such a scumbag

https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/mlbpa-asks-agent-scott-boras-not-to-pay-salaries-of-released-minor-league-clients-per-report/

Not their fault their players play a violent sport, but surely their fault they don't have healthcare or pensions.

MayDay10

the problem with MLB and this is, their salaries are not tied to revenues and therefore, they don't get a full look at league revenue.  Lots of mistrust and there isnt that locked-in point and mutual benefit to recuperating as much as possible for both sides.

pjhawks

Cliffy6745 said:

pjhawks said:

Cliffy6745 said:

I will never in my life understand the line of thinking that roots for the owners over the players everyone loves watch play. It’s fucking mind boggling.

Yeah the MLB union should be more like the bitch ass NFL union where former players are going brain dead and teams can drop players whenever they want 

I don’t root for the owners I just understand the players never win vs the owners. Also most things Scott Boras is for I am against on the basic principal that he is a piece of shit.

And yea it’s the players union fault ex-nfl players have head injuries. Come on cliffy your smarter than that.  

Such a scumbag

https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/mlbpa-asks-agent-scott-boras-not-to-pay-salaries-of-released-minor-league-clients-per-report/

Not their fault their players play a violent sport, but surely their fault they don't have healthcare or pensions.

you really want to use a story that said Boras may have been breaking union rules to make your point? 

Boras is one of these guys who will eventually take a fall...and it will be big and glorious.

Cliffy6745

That Boras wanted to pay his people when baseball won't?  Yeah, sure, I think that is admirable.  You seem to be really opposed to people getting paid. 

For what? lol.  We're not talking about some slimy middle of the road agent.  Dude is the owner of one of the top few most powerful sports agencies in the world and probably one of the 5 most powerful people in baseball.  Dude ain't taking some random fall.  

There are really two people I don't get the hate for in sports, Scott Boras and Joe Buck (since he has grown into himself)

F Me In The Brain

Joe Buck is hilarious 

Looks like owners are starting to come around....