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  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,907
    Cliffy6745 said:
    pjhawks said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Things went poorly yesterday....or, as expected

    MLPA indicates, clearly, that they don't buy the bullshit that MLB owners and their circus barkers (ESPN MLB lead shill Jeff Passan especially) have been pushing for an agenda.
    No proof of the crazy and inconsistent claims owners are making.
    No further cuts are going to be accepted.

    The shill now leaks that MLBPA is going to counter with a hundred game schedule.  
    Will be interesting to see that.
    the players are so out of touch and they are going to come out of this looking really poorly.  
    What incentive does JT Realmuto have to play if he is making peanuts on the dollar, in a compressed schedule where injuries are more likely and he is going to be a free agent after the season?
    that attitude is going to really go over well with 30 million people currently unemployed and people stuck at home.  it's not going to be a good look to say you won't work for a few million dollars to play 82 games regardless if that is a 60% pay cut.   there is just no way to sell that attitude to the public.
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,024
    pjhawks said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    pjhawks said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Things went poorly yesterday....or, as expected

    MLPA indicates, clearly, that they don't buy the bullshit that MLB owners and their circus barkers (ESPN MLB lead shill Jeff Passan especially) have been pushing for an agenda.
    No proof of the crazy and inconsistent claims owners are making.
    No further cuts are going to be accepted.

    The shill now leaks that MLBPA is going to counter with a hundred game schedule.  
    Will be interesting to see that.
    the players are so out of touch and they are going to come out of this looking really poorly.  
    What incentive does JT Realmuto have to play if he is making peanuts on the dollar, in a compressed schedule where injuries are more likely and he is going to be a free agent after the season?
    that attitude is going to really go over well with 30 million people currently unemployed and people stuck at home.  it's not going to be a good look to say you won't work for a few million dollars to play 82 games regardless if that is a 60% pay cut.   there is just no way to sell that attitude to the public.
    Yawn, all things are not equal.
  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,907
    edited May 2020
    Cliffy6745 said:
    pjhawks said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    pjhawks said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Things went poorly yesterday....or, as expected

    MLPA indicates, clearly, that they don't buy the bullshit that MLB owners and their circus barkers (ESPN MLB lead shill Jeff Passan especially) have been pushing for an agenda.
    No proof of the crazy and inconsistent claims owners are making.
    No further cuts are going to be accepted.

    The shill now leaks that MLBPA is going to counter with a hundred game schedule.  
    Will be interesting to see that.
    the players are so out of touch and they are going to come out of this looking really poorly.  
    What incentive does JT Realmuto have to play if he is making peanuts on the dollar, in a compressed schedule where injuries are more likely and he is going to be a free agent after the season?
    that attitude is going to really go over well with 30 million people currently unemployed and people stuck at home.  it's not going to be a good look to say you won't work for a few million dollars to play 82 games regardless if that is a 60% pay cut.   there is just no way to sell that attitude to the public.
    Yawn, all things are not equal.
    my original comment was that the players will come out looking poorly in this.  so yea maybe it's not equal but it's hard to see that the playes are going to get any sympathy from the public with this stance. especially as other sports come back.

    edit: so Realmuto was set to make $10 million this year.  so the argument being made based on the current proposals is the difference for him in making $5 million or $4 million for half a season.  Just no way that plays well with the public.
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  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,807
    Agree with Cliffy.  If I am Realmuto there is no way I am all in for discounted service time.
    The public can get riled up by the Owners but I would not let that bother me too much.  

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  • Poncier
    Poncier Posts: 17,874
    pjhawks said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    pjhawks said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    pjhawks said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Things went poorly yesterday....or, as expected

    MLPA indicates, clearly, that they don't buy the bullshit that MLB owners and their circus barkers (ESPN MLB lead shill Jeff Passan especially) have been pushing for an agenda.
    No proof of the crazy and inconsistent claims owners are making.
    No further cuts are going to be accepted.

    The shill now leaks that MLBPA is going to counter with a hundred game schedule.  
    Will be interesting to see that.
    the players are so out of touch and they are going to come out of this looking really poorly.  
    What incentive does JT Realmuto have to play if he is making peanuts on the dollar, in a compressed schedule where injuries are more likely and he is going to be a free agent after the season?
    that attitude is going to really go over well with 30 million people currently unemployed and people stuck at home.  it's not going to be a good look to say you won't work for a few million dollars to play 82 games regardless if that is a 60% pay cut.   there is just no way to sell that attitude to the public.
    Yawn, all things are not equal.
    my original comment was that the players will come out looking poorly in this.  so yea maybe it's not equal but it's hard to see that the playes are going to get any sympathy from the public with this stance. especially as other sports come back.

    edit: so Realmuto was set to make $10 million this year.  so the argument being made based on the current proposals is the difference for him in making $5 million or $4 million for half a season.  Just no way that plays well with the public.
    I think you are misinterpreting the 40% for a player up to 10 Mil. That would be 40% of his prorated salary, not 40% of his total salary, $2.44Mil according to this article:

    https://www.philliesnation.com/2020/05/how-much-would-key-phillies-make-under-new-mlb-proposal/

    And a guy like Trout who had a contract for $37.66Mil for the season, would get a prorated salary of $19Mil for 82 games would now instead get $5.75 Mil under the owners new proposal

    https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/29229007/is-mlb-proposal-first-step-playing-ball-2020-beginning-end

     Did MLB really suggest that Mike Trout, the best player in baseball, a paragon for what the sport can and should be, take a pay cut from his prorated salary of $19,065,843 to $5,748,577? It did. The proposed cuts would work on a sliding scale. Young players making minimum salaries would be the greatest beneficiaries, with their pay cut only 10% as opposed to the near 70% Trout would take off his prorated share. Compared to his full-season salary of $37,666,666, it would represent an 85% cut.

    I think the public will side far more with players than owners under this proposal.
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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,359
    Poncier said:
    pjhawks said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    pjhawks said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    pjhawks said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Things went poorly yesterday....or, as expected

    MLPA indicates, clearly, that they don't buy the bullshit that MLB owners and their circus barkers (ESPN MLB lead shill Jeff Passan especially) have been pushing for an agenda.
    No proof of the crazy and inconsistent claims owners are making.
    No further cuts are going to be accepted.

    The shill now leaks that MLBPA is going to counter with a hundred game schedule.  
    Will be interesting to see that.
    the players are so out of touch and they are going to come out of this looking really poorly.  
    What incentive does JT Realmuto have to play if he is making peanuts on the dollar, in a compressed schedule where injuries are more likely and he is going to be a free agent after the season?
    that attitude is going to really go over well with 30 million people currently unemployed and people stuck at home.  it's not going to be a good look to say you won't work for a few million dollars to play 82 games regardless if that is a 60% pay cut.   there is just no way to sell that attitude to the public.
    Yawn, all things are not equal.
    my original comment was that the players will come out looking poorly in this.  so yea maybe it's not equal but it's hard to see that the playes are going to get any sympathy from the public with this stance. especially as other sports come back.

    edit: so Realmuto was set to make $10 million this year.  so the argument being made based on the current proposals is the difference for him in making $5 million or $4 million for half a season.  Just no way that plays well with the public.
    I think you are misinterpreting the 40% for a player up to 10 Mil. That would be 40% of his prorated salary, not 40% of his total salary, $2.44Mil according to this article:

    https://www.philliesnation.com/2020/05/how-much-would-key-phillies-make-under-new-mlb-proposal/

    And a guy like Trout who had a contract for $37.66Mil for the season, would get a prorated salary of $19Mil for 82 games would now instead get $5.75 Mil under the owners new proposal

    https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/29229007/is-mlb-proposal-first-step-playing-ball-2020-beginning-end

     Did MLB really suggest that Mike Trout, the best player in baseball, a paragon for what the sport can and should be, take a pay cut from his prorated salary of $19,065,843 to $5,748,577? It did. The proposed cuts would work on a sliding scale. Young players making minimum salaries would be the greatest beneficiaries, with their pay cut only 10% as opposed to the near 70% Trout would take off his prorated share. Compared to his full-season salary of $37,666,666, it would represent an 85% cut.

    I think the public will side far more with players than owners under this proposal.
    If that is the creative accounting that has been announced then I'd live off my nest egg too then.

    No way that this is the monetary equation the owners came up with though?
  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,907
    Poncier said:
    pjhawks said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    pjhawks said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    pjhawks said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Things went poorly yesterday....or, as expected

    MLPA indicates, clearly, that they don't buy the bullshit that MLB owners and their circus barkers (ESPN MLB lead shill Jeff Passan especially) have been pushing for an agenda.
    No proof of the crazy and inconsistent claims owners are making.
    No further cuts are going to be accepted.

    The shill now leaks that MLBPA is going to counter with a hundred game schedule.  
    Will be interesting to see that.
    the players are so out of touch and they are going to come out of this looking really poorly.  
    What incentive does JT Realmuto have to play if he is making peanuts on the dollar, in a compressed schedule where injuries are more likely and he is going to be a free agent after the season?
    that attitude is going to really go over well with 30 million people currently unemployed and people stuck at home.  it's not going to be a good look to say you won't work for a few million dollars to play 82 games regardless if that is a 60% pay cut.   there is just no way to sell that attitude to the public.
    Yawn, all things are not equal.
    my original comment was that the players will come out looking poorly in this.  so yea maybe it's not equal but it's hard to see that the playes are going to get any sympathy from the public with this stance. especially as other sports come back.

    edit: so Realmuto was set to make $10 million this year.  so the argument being made based on the current proposals is the difference for him in making $5 million or $4 million for half a season.  Just no way that plays well with the public.
    I think you are misinterpreting the 40% for a player up to 10 Mil. That would be 40% of his prorated salary, not 40% of his total salary, $2.44Mil according to this article:

    https://www.philliesnation.com/2020/05/how-much-would-key-phillies-make-under-new-mlb-proposal/

    And a guy like Trout who had a contract for $37.66Mil for the season, would get a prorated salary of $19Mil for 82 games would now instead get $5.75 Mil under the owners new proposal

    https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/29229007/is-mlb-proposal-first-step-playing-ball-2020-beginning-end

     Did MLB really suggest that Mike Trout, the best player in baseball, a paragon for what the sport can and should be, take a pay cut from his prorated salary of $19,065,843 to $5,748,577? It did. The proposed cuts would work on a sliding scale. Young players making minimum salaries would be the greatest beneficiaries, with their pay cut only 10% as opposed to the near 70% Trout would take off his prorated share. Compared to his full-season salary of $37,666,666, it would represent an 85% cut.

    I think the public will side far more with players than owners under this proposal.
    today's Philly Inquirer has Realmuto making $4 million under the latest proposal.  even if it's 40% of his prorated salary you are talking he will make $2 million.  you think the public is going to side with a guy who will still make $2 million to play half a season? i don't see it. 
  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,807
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Poncier said:
    pjhawks said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    pjhawks said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    pjhawks said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Things went poorly yesterday....or, as expected

    MLPA indicates, clearly, that they don't buy the bullshit that MLB owners and their circus barkers (ESPN MLB lead shill Jeff Passan especially) have been pushing for an agenda.
    No proof of the crazy and inconsistent claims owners are making.
    No further cuts are going to be accepted.

    The shill now leaks that MLBPA is going to counter with a hundred game schedule.  
    Will be interesting to see that.
    the players are so out of touch and they are going to come out of this looking really poorly.  
    What incentive does JT Realmuto have to play if he is making peanuts on the dollar, in a compressed schedule where injuries are more likely and he is going to be a free agent after the season?
    that attitude is going to really go over well with 30 million people currently unemployed and people stuck at home.  it's not going to be a good look to say you won't work for a few million dollars to play 82 games regardless if that is a 60% pay cut.   there is just no way to sell that attitude to the public.
    Yawn, all things are not equal.
    my original comment was that the players will come out looking poorly in this.  so yea maybe it's not equal but it's hard to see that the playes are going to get any sympathy from the public with this stance. especially as other sports come back.

    edit: so Realmuto was set to make $10 million this year.  so the argument being made based on the current proposals is the difference for him in making $5 million or $4 million for half a season.  Just no way that plays well with the public.
    I think you are misinterpreting the 40% for a player up to 10 Mil. That would be 40% of his prorated salary, not 40% of his total salary, $2.44Mil according to this article:

    https://www.philliesnation.com/2020/05/how-much-would-key-phillies-make-under-new-mlb-proposal/

    And a guy like Trout who had a contract for $37.66Mil for the season, would get a prorated salary of $19Mil for 82 games would now instead get $5.75 Mil under the owners new proposal

    https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/29229007/is-mlb-proposal-first-step-playing-ball-2020-beginning-end

     Did MLB really suggest that Mike Trout, the best player in baseball, a paragon for what the sport can and should be, take a pay cut from his prorated salary of $19,065,843 to $5,748,577? It did. The proposed cuts would work on a sliding scale. Young players making minimum salaries would be the greatest beneficiaries, with their pay cut only 10% as opposed to the near 70% Trout would take off his prorated share. Compared to his full-season salary of $37,666,666, it would represent an 85% cut.

    I think the public will side far more with players than owners under this proposal.
    If that is the creative accounting that has been announced then I'd live off my nest egg too then.

    No way that this is the monetary equation the owners came up with though?
    I think the plan was shared (as opposed to the many leaks the past few weeks which filtered out through the Passan Owner Mouthpiece) with the players.  I read in a few spots and the details seemed to line up.
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  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,024
    Who gives a shit who the public sides with? The public are generally morons. Why would and why should someone like JT Realmuto risk a a payday that will set their family up for generations over a salary he feels isn't fair?

    Football players hold out over contracts they agreed to all the time and mouth-breathers don't get their panties in a bunch over that.
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,024
    edited May 2020
    Who knew Passan was such a shill?
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,024
    It is not the players fault if baseball doesn't get played. Fact.
  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,907
    Cliffy6745 said:
    It is not the players fault if baseball doesn't get played. Fact.
    what? both sides are at fault but in the end the players are going to lose more than the owners, as they always do.  and the public pays their salaries in the long run so it is kind of important not to piss off your customers. so to say it doesn't matter what people think is a dumb take.  Bottom line is the players have to come back. They cannot miss a full season especially when a large portion of the country is also struggling and while every other sport is also coming back. Being the only sport not to play and not playing this year over a few percentage points of their salaries will be a disaster and will take years to recover from.  Long term hit from not playing will be worse than the short term hit of playing at reduced salaries. 


    oh and the next time I hear an athlete spew how they are putting their lives in danger to play during this I think i'm gonna hurl.  Almost every normal person in the country has HAD to put themselves in danger during this.  People have had to go out since day 1 of this. Many people have had to work and many are now going back to work places.  so enough of the 'they want us to put our lives on the line'.  fuck that. first off the coaches are in far more danger than healthy athletes 20-30 years old. stfu with that bs.  athletes have this notion they are unique under these circumstances but they are not.  they are so out of touch with reality as i said in my first post about the players.


  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,907
    Cliffy6745 said:
    Who gives a shit who the public sides with? The public are generally morons. Why would and why should someone like JT Realmuto risk a a payday that will set their family up for generations over a salary he feels isn't fair?

    Football players hold out over contracts they agreed to all the time and mouth-breathers don't get their panties in a bunch over that.
    well you know because ultimately the public pays their salaries.  salaries in most sports will be taking a hit with revenues going down over the next few years anyway.   And Realmuto has no one to blame but himself for losing money come free agency. he went to arbitration and decided to play the year out instead of signing a long term deal in the off season.  he gambled and lost...BIG
  • Poncier
    Poncier Posts: 17,874
    A few percentage points?
    For 82 games, Trout stands to go from a prorated 19 Million down to 5.75 million. That's more than a "few" percentage points.
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  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,024
    pjhawks said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    Who gives a shit who the public sides with? The public are generally morons. Why would and why should someone like JT Realmuto risk a a payday that will set their family up for generations over a salary he feels isn't fair?

    Football players hold out over contracts they agreed to all the time and mouth-breathers don't get their panties in a bunch over that.
    well you know because ultimately the public pays their salaries.  salaries in most sports will be taking a hit with revenues going down over the next few years anyway.   And Realmuto has no one to blame but himself for losing money come free agency. he went to arbitration and decided to play the year out instead of signing a long term deal in the off season.  he gambled and lost...BIG
    Oh my god. Because he didn't sign a team friendly deal and a pandemic hit, it's his fault?!?!

    Do you carry the water for your own bosses as much as you do for other people's?
  • cutz
    cutz Posts: 12,230
    Are BOTH sides(Owners &  Players)  fucking this deal up?
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,359
    Cliffy6745 said:
    pjhawks said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    Who gives a shit who the public sides with? The public are generally morons. Why would and why should someone like JT Realmuto risk a a payday that will set their family up for generations over a salary he feels isn't fair?

    Football players hold out over contracts they agreed to all the time and mouth-breathers don't get their panties in a bunch over that.
    well you know because ultimately the public pays their salaries.  salaries in most sports will be taking a hit with revenues going down over the next few years anyway.   And Realmuto has no one to blame but himself for losing money come free agency. he went to arbitration and decided to play the year out instead of signing a long term deal in the off season.  he gambled and lost...BIG
    Oh my god. Because he didn't sign a team friendly deal and a pandemic hit, it's his fault?!?!

    Do you carry the water for your own bosses as much as you do for other people's?
    If I was an owner and we didn't play the full amount of games and no fans were in the stands you would not be getting your full salary.

    People that can not work from home go on unemployment and can not get back their backpay for unworked days.
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,024
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    pjhawks said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    Who gives a shit who the public sides with? The public are generally morons. Why would and why should someone like JT Realmuto risk a a payday that will set their family up for generations over a salary he feels isn't fair?

    Football players hold out over contracts they agreed to all the time and mouth-breathers don't get their panties in a bunch over that.
    well you know because ultimately the public pays their salaries.  salaries in most sports will be taking a hit with revenues going down over the next few years anyway.   And Realmuto has no one to blame but himself for losing money come free agency. he went to arbitration and decided to play the year out instead of signing a long term deal in the off season.  he gambled and lost...BIG
    Oh my god. Because he didn't sign a team friendly deal and a pandemic hit, it's his fault?!?!

    Do you carry the water for your own bosses as much as you do for other people's?
    If I was an owner and we didn't play the full amount of games and no fans were in the stands you would not be getting your full salary.

    People that can not work from home go on unemployment and can not get back their backpay for unworked days.
    Then it's a good thing the players aren't asking for their full salaries
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,024
    But when they do go back to work, should they get their full pay for the days they are working?
  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,807
    Cliffy6745 said:
    Who knew Passan was such a shill?
    That is one of my biggest take aways.
    He is a pocket boy of the owners.
    See how that will help him moving forward....at least he will get half of the stories.  :lol:.   

    I try to avoid reading his stuff.  So full of plants he is like most journalists now....get you an opinion and hawk the fuck out of it...different dress?  Same opinion or viewpoint 
    Shill!
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