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  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,800
    edited January 2020
    Castellanos to Reds.

    Have to like moves to get more swing going...since Pitching was good for the team last year.
    Not sure how all of these moves sugar down, though.
    Lots of OFers.

    FA signees this offseason for the Redlegs:
    Nick Castellanos ($64 million)
    Mike Moustakas ($64 million)
    Shogo Akiyama ($21 million)
    Wade Miley ($15 million)

    SPs:
    Castillo
    Gray
    Bauer
    Wade Miley
    Anthony DeSclafani

    Bullpen - Iglesias as Closer, lots of good arms but you never know with bullpens...much depends on how the SPs go and how much you have to use them

    Everyday Lineup?
    1. LF - Shogo Akiyama - no clue.  Meant to be a good hitter/fielder, never seen him play
    2. 1B - Votto - can still get on base but power seems gone
    3. 3B - Suarez - young bull
    4. 2B - Moustakas - should put up great numbers
    5. RF - Castellanos - should mash there
    6. CF - Nich Senzel - hope he has a better year, all the skills and young
    7. SS - Freddie Galvis - ehh, not in love with this but not awful
    8. C - Tucker Barnhart - won a gold glove in the past, not much at the plate
    Bench:
    Josh VanMeter - young guy, Util IF, was pretty good with playing time
    Jesse Winker - perhaps it will take a platoon or change of scenery, but I believe this guy is gonna be good
    Aristedes Aquino -- the frigging Punisher?  He was awesome last year.  No chance to see if he can be good/great?
    Phillip Ervin - been pretty good in OF when he gets playing time


    Exciting to wonder about you team this time of year -- division has some good teams, gonna take a lot of things working out how they like to see success but if Miley and/or DeSclafani can be very good they could be lots of fun.

    Lots of ifs....what is Votto bounces back and Senzel fulfills some of his much hyped potential?  And if this kid from Japan can be a legitimate major league leadoff hitter?

    Just want to make the playoffs again!  :)
    The love he receives is the love that is saved
  • DewieCox
    DewieCox Posts: 11,432
    Division has no good teams.
  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,800
    DewieCox said:
    Division has no good teams.
    Good enough to get two team into the playoffs....but I hope you are right - it will mean that perhaps the Reds can be in the picture for playoffs.
    The love he receives is the love that is saved
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,022
    Good for the reds
  • Castellanos to Reds.

    Have to like moves to get more swing going...since Pitching was good for the team last year.
    Not sure how all of these moves sugar down, though.
    Lots of OFers.

    FA signees this offseason for the Redlegs:
    Nick Castellanos ($64 million)
    Mike Moustakas ($64 million)
    Shogo Akiyama ($21 million)
    Wade Miley ($15 million)

    SPs:
    Castillo
    Gray
    Bauer
    Wade Miley
    Anthony DeSclafani

    Bullpen - Iglesias as Closer, lots of good arms but you never know with bullpens...much depends on how the SPs go and how much you have to use them

    Everyday Lineup?
    1. LF - Shogo Akiyama - no clue.  Meant to be a good hitter/fielder, never seen him play
    2. 1B - Votto - can still get on base but power seems gone
    3. 3B - Suarez - young bull
    4. 2B - Moustakas - should put up great numbers
    5. RF - Castellanos - should mash there
    6. CF - Nich Senzel - hope he has a better year, all the skills and young
    7. SS - Freddie Galvis - ehh, not in love with this but not awful
    8. C - Tucker Barnhart - won a gold glove in the past, not much at the plate
    Bench:
    Josh VanMeter - young guy, Util IF, was pretty good with playing time
    Jesse Winker - perhaps it will take a platoon or change of scenery, but I believe this guy is gonna be good
    Aristedes Aquino -- the frigging Punisher?  He was awesome last year.  No chance to see if he can be good/great?
    Phillip Ervin - been pretty good in OF when he gets playing time


    Exciting to wonder about you team this time of year -- division has some good teams, gonna take a lot of things working out how they like to see success but if Miley and/or DeSclafani can be very good they could be lots of fun.

    Lots of ifs....what is Votto bounces back and Senzel fulfills some of his much hyped potential?  And if this kid from Japan can be a legitimate major league leadoff hitter?

    Just want to make the playoffs again!  :)
    I invested a lot of money in Senzel cards so I hope he has a breakout year.
  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,800
    Castellanos to Reds.

    Have to like moves to get more swing going...since Pitching was good for the team last year.
    Not sure how all of these moves sugar down, though.
    Lots of OFers.

    FA signees this offseason for the Redlegs:
    Nick Castellanos ($64 million)
    Mike Moustakas ($64 million)
    Shogo Akiyama ($21 million)
    Wade Miley ($15 million)

    SPs:
    Castillo
    Gray
    Bauer
    Wade Miley
    Anthony DeSclafani

    Bullpen - Iglesias as Closer, lots of good arms but you never know with bullpens...much depends on how the SPs go and how much you have to use them

    Everyday Lineup?
    1. LF - Shogo Akiyama - no clue.  Meant to be a good hitter/fielder, never seen him play
    2. 1B - Votto - can still get on base but power seems gone
    3. 3B - Suarez - young bull
    4. 2B - Moustakas - should put up great numbers
    5. RF - Castellanos - should mash there
    6. CF - Nich Senzel - hope he has a better year, all the skills and young
    7. SS - Freddie Galvis - ehh, not in love with this but not awful
    8. C - Tucker Barnhart - won a gold glove in the past, not much at the plate
    Bench:
    Josh VanMeter - young guy, Util IF, was pretty good with playing time
    Jesse Winker - perhaps it will take a platoon or change of scenery, but I believe this guy is gonna be good
    Aristedes Aquino -- the frigging Punisher?  He was awesome last year.  No chance to see if he can be good/great?
    Phillip Ervin - been pretty good in OF when he gets playing time


    Exciting to wonder about you team this time of year -- division has some good teams, gonna take a lot of things working out how they like to see success but if Miley and/or DeSclafani can be very good they could be lots of fun.

    Lots of ifs....what is Votto bounces back and Senzel fulfills some of his much hyped potential?  And if this kid from Japan can be a legitimate major league leadoff hitter?

    Just want to make the playoffs again!  :)
    I invested a lot of money in Senzel cards so I hope he has a breakout year.
    I hope the value skyrockets!  :)
    The love he receives is the love that is saved
  • Castellanos to Reds.

    Have to like moves to get more swing going...since Pitching was good for the team last year.
    Not sure how all of these moves sugar down, though.
    Lots of OFers.

    FA signees this offseason for the Redlegs:
    Nick Castellanos ($64 million)
    Mike Moustakas ($64 million)
    Shogo Akiyama ($21 million)
    Wade Miley ($15 million)

    SPs:
    Castillo
    Gray
    Bauer
    Wade Miley
    Anthony DeSclafani

    Bullpen - Iglesias as Closer, lots of good arms but you never know with bullpens...much depends on how the SPs go and how much you have to use them

    Everyday Lineup?
    1. LF - Shogo Akiyama - no clue.  Meant to be a good hitter/fielder, never seen him play
    2. 1B - Votto - can still get on base but power seems gone
    3. 3B - Suarez - young bull
    4. 2B - Moustakas - should put up great numbers
    5. RF - Castellanos - should mash there
    6. CF - Nich Senzel - hope he has a better year, all the skills and young
    7. SS - Freddie Galvis - ehh, not in love with this but not awful
    8. C - Tucker Barnhart - won a gold glove in the past, not much at the plate
    Bench:
    Josh VanMeter - young guy, Util IF, was pretty good with playing time
    Jesse Winker - perhaps it will take a platoon or change of scenery, but I believe this guy is gonna be good
    Aristedes Aquino -- the frigging Punisher?  He was awesome last year.  No chance to see if he can be good/great?
    Phillip Ervin - been pretty good in OF when he gets playing time


    Exciting to wonder about you team this time of year -- division has some good teams, gonna take a lot of things working out how they like to see success but if Miley and/or DeSclafani can be very good they could be lots of fun.

    Lots of ifs....what is Votto bounces back and Senzel fulfills some of his much hyped potential?  And if this kid from Japan can be a legitimate major league leadoff hitter?

    Just want to make the playoffs again!  :)
    I invested a lot of money in Senzel cards so I hope he has a breakout year.
    I hope the value skyrockets!  :)
    You are too kind sir!
  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,516
    Whole lee hell this is some good stuff I discovered via The Athletic:

    http://signstealingscandal.com
  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,800
    Did I miss the part where he shares what the results of the banging was?  Seems that would be a good thing to track to see how effective it was.  (Perhaps I didn't see it and it was in there.)

    Lots of data, that shit is crazy.
    The love he receives is the love that is saved
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,022
    He said he wasn’t going to dive into the results, just provide them and let other people figure it out. Also I think a really good point is that it’s not just the banging that’s cheating, it’s also the lack of banging that also helped since the banging signaled a certain pitch. 
  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,800
    Yes, not banging for fastballs, right?
    The love he receives is the love that is saved
  • Whole lee hell this is some good stuff I discovered via The Athletic:

    http://signstealingscandal.com
    They lost quite a few games where they banged a hell of a lot so they weren't very good cheaters.

    Good info on here but has me asking even more questions.  

    I am wondering about a game that had only 1 bang?  Is that them cheating?  1 bang?

    Anyone else have questions?
  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,516
    Whole lee hell this is some good stuff I discovered via The Athletic:

    http://signstealingscandal.com
    They lost quite a few games where they banged a hell of a lot so they weren't very good cheaters.

    Good info on here but has me asking even more questions.  

    I am wondering about a game that had only 1 bang?  Is that them cheating?  1 bang?

    Anyone else have questions?
    I mean this is one dude who went through OVER EIGHT THOUSAND PITCHES himself. I'll cut him a little a slack for being a crazy person. Also it's not like you're hitting home runs every time you have this advantage. Baseball's a game of winning in the margins and this is what this advantage did for them. You're not going to swing at balls, it helps your timing. Oh, also still hitting a ball that isn't an out is hard.

    What stands out to me is just how much it helped Beltran, and not as much for someone like Altuve (the site's owner (luncatic) admits it's only banging and not every other device they had shoved up their asses). But for those numbskulls that were calling for specific punishments for specific players this is one of the ways that helps you get even remotely close to doing so.
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,022
    On August 4th, the game with the most trash can bangs, the Astros scored 16 earned runs. Mike Bolsinger, a Blue Jays reliever, allowed 4 earned runs in 0.1 IP. He never pitched in the big leagues again.


  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,991
    edited January 2020
    On August 4th, the game with the most trash can bangs, the Astros scored 16 earned runs. Mike Bolsinger, a Blue Jays reliever, allowed 4 earned runs in 0.1 IP. He never pitched in the big leagues again.
    This is the type of stuff Mike Clevinger was talking about. It's not just that the Astros were underserving champions, or that they cheated the Yankees and Dodgers. Individual players, like Bolsinger in this example, may have had their livelihoods affected. 
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  • Whole lee hell this is some good stuff I discovered via The Athletic:

    http://signstealingscandal.com
    They lost quite a few games where they banged a hell of a lot so they weren't very good cheaters.

    Good info on here but has me asking even more questions.  

    I am wondering about a game that had only 1 bang?  Is that them cheating?  1 bang?

    Anyone else have questions?
    I mean this is one dude who went through OVER EIGHT THOUSAND PITCHES himself. I'll cut him a little a slack for being a crazy person. Also it's not like you're hitting home runs every time you have this advantage. Baseball's a game of winning in the margins and this is what this advantage did for them. You're not going to swing at balls, it helps your timing. Oh, also still hitting a ball that isn't an out is hard.

    What stands out to me is just how much it helped Beltran, and not as much for someone like Altuve (the site's owner (luncatic) admits it's only banging and not every other device they had shoved up their asses). But for those numbskulls that were calling for specific punishments for specific players this is one of the ways that helps you get even remotely close to doing so.
    I wish he had breakdowns on whom the banging was for and if their averages went up or not.


  • On August 4th, the game with the most trash can bangs, the Astros scored 16 earned runs. Mike Bolsinger, a Blue Jays reliever, allowed 4 earned runs in 0.1 IP. He never pitched in the big leagues again.


    I know you hate when I do this but this is the shit I see in the data and it makes me question things...

    The other 4 highest bangs in games resulted in Astros losses.

    There is no exact science to it and needs some tweaking or combing over of more info.  That tweet is the perfect example of overreacting though.  People are going to run with that story and that player not being in the big leagues anymore and want people burned at the stake and not look into that player any further.

    He let up 126 earned runs in 230 ip over 4 years for a robust era of 4.92.  That .1 of an inning may have had something to do with him not playing but he wasn't going to be around much longer considering his previous outings unless he played all of his games against the Astros.

    He is now playing in Japan w an era of 4.42.
  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,516
    edited January 2020
    Whole lee hell this is some good stuff I discovered via The Athletic:

    http://signstealingscandal.com
    They lost quite a few games where they banged a hell of a lot so they weren't very good cheaters.

    Good info on here but has me asking even more questions.  

    I am wondering about a game that had only 1 bang?  Is that them cheating?  1 bang?

    Anyone else have questions?
    I mean this is one dude who went through OVER EIGHT THOUSAND PITCHES himself. I'll cut him a little a slack for being a crazy person. Also it's not like you're hitting home runs every time you have this advantage. Baseball's a game of winning in the margins and this is what this advantage did for them. You're not going to swing at balls, it helps your timing. Oh, also still hitting a ball that isn't an out is hard.

    What stands out to me is just how much it helped Beltran, and not as much for someone like Altuve (the site's owner (luncatic) admits it's only banging and not every other device they had shoved up their asses). But for those numbskulls that were calling for specific punishments for specific players this is one of the ways that helps you get even remotely close to doing so.
    I wish he had breakdowns on whom the banging was for and if their averages went up or not.


    This is the best article I've seen on the overall situation - if anything it was  Luhnow's McKinsey-style approach to everything - the willingness to gain any and all advantages while increasing efficiencies and trimming the fat no matter the cost or consequences:

    https://newrepublic.com/article/155863/houston-astros-cheaters-2017-world-series-mckinsey-problem
  • Whole lee hell this is some good stuff I discovered via The Athletic:

    http://signstealingscandal.com
    They lost quite a few games where they banged a hell of a lot so they weren't very good cheaters.

    Good info on here but has me asking even more questions.  

    I am wondering about a game that had only 1 bang?  Is that them cheating?  1 bang?

    Anyone else have questions?
    I mean this is one dude who went through OVER EIGHT THOUSAND PITCHES himself. I'll cut him a little a slack for being a crazy person. Also it's not like you're hitting home runs every time you have this advantage. Baseball's a game of winning in the margins and this is what this advantage did for them. You're not going to swing at balls, it helps your timing. Oh, also still hitting a ball that isn't an out is hard.

    What stands out to me is just how much it helped Beltran, and not as much for someone like Altuve (the site's owner (luncatic) admits it's only banging and not every other device they had shoved up their asses). But for those numbskulls that were calling for specific punishments for specific players this is one of the ways that helps you get even remotely close to doing so.
    I wish he had breakdowns on whom the banging was for and if their averages went up or not.


    This is the best article I've seen on the overall situation - if anything it was  Luhnow's McKinsey-style approach to everything - the willingness to gain any and all advantages while increasing efficiencies and trimming the fat no matter the cost or consequences:

    https://newrepublic.com/article/155863/houston-astros-cheaters-2017-world-series-mckinsey-problem
    THAT article was fantastically written.  Thanks for posting.  I had no idea Pete Buttigieg worked for McKinsley and had no idea what they do.  If the author is correct on McKinsley then I am out of favor of Pete too.

    From what I have heard, the Astros are THE moneyball team to follow in terms of excellence and this article shows why and how.

    This shows good insight on where the game is headed and it seems soulless.

  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,516
    Whole lee hell this is some good stuff I discovered via The Athletic:

    http://signstealingscandal.com
    They lost quite a few games where they banged a hell of a lot so they weren't very good cheaters.

    Good info on here but has me asking even more questions.  

    I am wondering about a game that had only 1 bang?  Is that them cheating?  1 bang?

    Anyone else have questions?
    I mean this is one dude who went through OVER EIGHT THOUSAND PITCHES himself. I'll cut him a little a slack for being a crazy person. Also it's not like you're hitting home runs every time you have this advantage. Baseball's a game of winning in the margins and this is what this advantage did for them. You're not going to swing at balls, it helps your timing. Oh, also still hitting a ball that isn't an out is hard.

    What stands out to me is just how much it helped Beltran, and not as much for someone like Altuve (the site's owner (luncatic) admits it's only banging and not every other device they had shoved up their asses). But for those numbskulls that were calling for specific punishments for specific players this is one of the ways that helps you get even remotely close to doing so.
    I wish he had breakdowns on whom the banging was for and if their averages went up or not.


    This is the best article I've seen on the overall situation - if anything it was  Luhnow's McKinsey-style approach to everything - the willingness to gain any and all advantages while increasing efficiencies and trimming the fat no matter the cost or consequences:

    https://newrepublic.com/article/155863/houston-astros-cheaters-2017-world-series-mckinsey-problem
    THAT article was fantastically written.  Thanks for posting.  I had no idea Pete Buttigieg worked for McKinsley and had no idea what they do.  If the author is correct on McKinsley then I am out of favor of Pete too.

    From what I have heard, the Astros are THE moneyball team to follow in terms of excellence and this article shows why and how.

    This shows good insight on where the game is headed and it seems soulless.

    Not gonna turn this thread political (there's places here for that), but totally one of the main reasons I've been out on Pete.