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Jearlpam0925 said:tempo_n_groove said:Jearlpam0925 said:tempo_n_groove said:Jearlpam0925 said:tempo_n_groove said:Jearlpam0925 said:
Good info on here but has me asking even more questions.
I am wondering about a game that had only 1 bang? Is that them cheating? 1 bang?
Anyone else have questions?
What stands out to me is just how much it helped Beltran, and not as much for someone like Altuve (the site's owner (luncatic) admits it's only banging and not every other device they had shoved up their asses). But for those numbskulls that were calling for specific punishments for specific players this is one of the ways that helps you get even remotely close to doing so.
https://newrepublic.com/article/155863/houston-astros-cheaters-2017-world-series-mckinsey-problem
From what I have heard, the Astros are THE moneyball team to follow in terms of excellence and this article shows why and how.
This shows good insight on where the game is headed and it seems soulless.
Like I said, other teams looked to them as the organization to model your team around.0 -
I have friends that work at McKinsey. It's totally what you think it is.
And ever since this hit I figured Luhnow would never work in baseball again, but he'll easily be fine, land on his feet, and do that same thing in another industry. Maybe the NFL!0 -
tempo_n_groove said:Cliffy6745 said:On August 4th, the game with the most trash can bangs, the Astros scored 16 earned runs. Mike Bolsinger, a Blue Jays reliever, allowed 4 earned runs in 0.1 IP. He never pitched in the big leagues again.
The other 4 highest bangs in games resulted in Astros losses.
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Poncier said:tempo_n_groove said:Cliffy6745 said:On August 4th, the game with the most trash can bangs, the Astros scored 16 earned runs. Mike Bolsinger, a Blue Jays reliever, allowed 4 earned runs in 0.1 IP. He never pitched in the big leagues again.
The other 4 highest bangs in games resulted in Astros losses.
The next 4 highest they lost...
54 won
48 won
47 lost
45 lost
44 lost
43 lost
41 lost
41 won
In the 32 games with 10 bangs or more the Astros were only 2 games over 500. They won 17 and lost 15.
I'll say this again, they weren't very good at this cheating thing. If you use this math of 17 wins in 32 games the end result would be 86 wins.0 -
tempo_n_groove said:Poncier said:tempo_n_groove said:Cliffy6745 said:On August 4th, the game with the most trash can bangs, the Astros scored 16 earned runs. Mike Bolsinger, a Blue Jays reliever, allowed 4 earned runs in 0.1 IP. He never pitched in the big leagues again.
The other 4 highest bangs in games resulted in Astros losses.
The next 4 highest they lost...
54 won
48 won
47 lost
45 lost
44 lost
43 lost
41 lost
41 won
In the 32 games with 10 bangs or more the Astros were only 2 games over 500. They won 17 and lost 15.
I'll say this again, they weren't very good at this cheating thing. If you use this math of 17 wins in 32 games the end result would be 86 wins.
Did they do those against the best pitchers? What were the averages of those hitters vs games with low-bang (aka AC Green) numbers? I have all sorts of questions. Fascinating.The love he receives is the love that is saved0 -
If it didn't work,. they wouldn't have done it.0
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Cliffy6745 said:If it didn't work,. they wouldn't have done it.
Again, the guy "only" recorded 8k pitches when there are much much more where that came from. And another point of that McKinsey/New Republic article is also about how the Astros' K rate went down and OPS went up - those are marginal improvements that you see over the course of 162+ games.0 -
F Me In The Brain said:tempo_n_groove said:Poncier said:tempo_n_groove said:Cliffy6745 said:On August 4th, the game with the most trash can bangs, the Astros scored 16 earned runs. Mike Bolsinger, a Blue Jays reliever, allowed 4 earned runs in 0.1 IP. He never pitched in the big leagues again.
The other 4 highest bangs in games resulted in Astros losses.
The next 4 highest they lost...
54 won
48 won
47 lost
45 lost
44 lost
43 lost
41 lost
41 won
In the 32 games with 10 bangs or more the Astros were only 2 games over 500. They won 17 and lost 15.
I'll say this again, they weren't very good at this cheating thing. If you use this math of 17 wins in 32 games the end result would be 86 wins.
Did they do those against the best pitchers? What were the averages of those hitters vs games with low-bang (aka AC Green) numbers? I have all sorts of questions. Fascinating.
Like Cliffy said, if it didn't work then they wouldn't have done it.0 -
And wins and losses in the bang games doesn't completely tell the story. If your pitcher sucks, bangs might help you lose 10-8 instead of 10-4.This weekend we rock Portland0
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Cliffy6745 said:If it didn't work,. they wouldn't have done it.
Somebody w more time has to look at this and see what the benefit was.0 -
I mean I don't need to take a deep dive into the numbers to tell you what advantage there is in knowing what pitch is coming.0
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One pitcher said he would much rather face a batter on steroids than a batter that knows what pitch is coming
Someone will come up with the batting average on, k rate, OPS, etc. on pitches where there was a bang.
As JP said, look a the K rate from 2016 to 2017 and the rest of the league.0 -
Cliffy6745 said:One pitcher said he would much rather face a batter on steroids than a batter that knows what pitch is coming2000: Camden 1, 2003: Philly, State College, Camden 1, MSG 2, Hershey, 2004: Reading, 2005: Philly, 2006: Camden 1, 2, East Rutherford 1, 2007: Lollapalooza, 2008: Camden 1, Washington D.C., MSG 1, 2, 2009: Philly 1, 2, 3, 4, 2010: Bristol, MSG 2, 2011: PJ20 1, 2, 2012: Made In America, 2013: Brooklyn 2, Philly 2, 2014: Denver, 2015: Global Citizen Festival, 2016: Philly 2, Fenway 1, 2018: Fenway 1, 2, 2021: Sea. Hear. Now. 2022: Camden, 2024: Philly 2, 2025: Pittsburgh 1
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Cliffy6745 said:One pitcher said he would much rather face a batter on steroids than a batter that knows what pitch is coming
Someone will come up with the batting average on, k rate, OPS, etc. on pitches where there was a bang.
As JP said, look a the K rate from 2016 to 2017 and the rest of the league.0 -
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tempo_n_groove said:Cliffy6745 said:If it didn't work,. they wouldn't have done it.
Somebody w more time has to look at this and see what the benefit was.It's a hopeless situation...0 -
tbergs said:tempo_n_groove said:Cliffy6745 said:If it didn't work,. they wouldn't have done it.
Somebody w more time has to look at this and see what the benefit was.
Their home and away splits look like this:
Away batting avg, hits, runs, HR's, 2b, 3b were all better than their home numbers. They had 2000 more AB's away than home which means they were hitting more and hence the better numbers. That doesn't make sense to me. I'll say it again. Maybe these Astros just weren't good at this cheating thing and the edge they thought they were getting became a hindrance?
They cheated. But what did they gain from it?0 -
Betts Goes to the Dodgers? Suck it @Wobbie0
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tempo_n_groove said:Betts Goes to the Dodgers? Suck it @Wobbie0
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mrussel1 said:tempo_n_groove said:Betts Goes to the Dodgers? Suck it @Wobbie0
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