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  • MayDay10
    MayDay10 Posts: 11,856
    Cliffy6745 said:
    MayDay10 said:
    Derek Jeter might be the second ever player to get 100% of the vote?

    Sorry.  Against the greats in history, he doesnt stand out.  over-hyped player.  
    Yeah, he only hit .331/.393/.446 against your Cleveland Indians.  He stinks.
    He doesnt stink.  HOF worthy.  First ballot worthy? sure.....  but if unanimous is a thing of distinction which they made it to be, its a joke to consider Jeter for such an echelon, proclaiming he is theoretically 1 of the 2 best baseball players ever.  Players like Cobb, Wagner, Mantle, Aaron, Ruth, Mays, Henderson, Dimaggio, Speaker, Maddox, Cy Young, Matthewson, Walter Johnson, Musual, Hornsby, Gehrig, Ott, Ted Williams, etc couldnt move the needle there.  Jeter is nowhere near that class, let-alone leading it.
    I could buy a case for Rivera due to him being the unquestionably the best ever at his position/role (even though it is somewhat of a modern-era specialization).  


  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,029
    MayDay10 said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    MayDay10 said:
    Derek Jeter might be the second ever player to get 100% of the vote?

    Sorry.  Against the greats in history, he doesnt stand out.  over-hyped player.  
    Yeah, he only hit .331/.393/.446 against your Cleveland Indians.  He stinks.
    He doesnt stink.  HOF worthy.  First ballot worthy? sure.....  but if unanimous is a thing of distinction which they made it to be, its a joke to consider Jeter for such an echelon, proclaiming he is theoretically 1 of the 2 best baseball players ever.  Players like Cobb, Wagner, Mantle, Aaron, Ruth, Mays, Henderson, Dimaggio, Speaker, Maddox, Cy Young, Matthewson, Walter Johnson, Musual, Hornsby, Gehrig, Ott, Ted Williams, etc couldnt move the needle there.  Jeter is nowhere near that class, let-alone leading it.
    I could buy a case for Rivera due to him being the unquestionably the best ever at his position/role (even though it is somewhat of a modern-era specialization).  


    I don't get the unanimous thing and honestly don't really care one way or another.  Derek Jeter should be unanimous because there is no objective voter who can look at his career and say he is not a hall of famer, so they should vote for him.  A whole shit load of players should have been, but writers are stupid.  They shouldn't keep him off to make a point. I'd love to see a bunch of people become unanimous selections because it only makes sense.

    Does anyone really think that if Jeter gets 100% of the vote people are going to argue he was better than Ruth or Mays?

    It's pretty cool that my favorite baseball player of all time is getting voted into the hall of fame, so it doesn't really matter to me what percentage of the vote he is going to get.  Unanimous would be cool, but to me it would be about 289458934590 on the list of awesome things Derek Jeter has done in his career.
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,029
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Can't believe I am arguing on behalf of The Man With The Golden Cock

    Always kinda annoyed me, but he is an all time great player.  Anyone who does not believe this has a totally different understanding of baseball than most of us.

    Might be his best nickname to date
  • HesCalledDyer
    HesCalledDyer Maryland Posts: 16,491
    Unanimity shouldn't be a benchmark to players past. Any player that is a sure fire HOFer should get in with 100% of the vote.  It has nothing to do with them being better than guys who didn't get 100%.  That's not what you're voting on.  You're voting on does this person belong in the Hall, not does this person belong in the hall with more votes than this person who is already in?
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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,471
    Poncier said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Poncier said:
    MayDay10 said:
    Derek Jeter might be the second ever player to get 100% of the vote?

    Sorry.  Against the greats in history, he doesnt stand out.  over-hyped player.  
    You don't think he's better than Ruth, Gehrig, Aaron, Mays, DiMaggio, Young, Williams or Mantle?
    I say yes to those mentioned considering none played Shortstop.

    The HOF voting is such a weird thing.

    Come on, he's better than the all time greats cause he played SS? Then shouldn't Mark Belanger be in the HOF?
    Jeter is a sure fire HOFer, deserves that, but he was never MVP and you're telling me he's better than multi-MVP winners like Mays, Mantle DiMaggio and Gehrig cause he played SS?
    The 100% of the vote thing is a shame cause the old time guys got penalized for no sound reason by fools who did the voting, so he'll get 100% and fine...but telling me he's better than those players I listed is ridiculous.
    At the SS position.  It's how you worded it.

    If you go by WAR then it's not even close but using the eye test, Jeter was a much better player, and clutch player than most.

    I will agree that previous players were shafted in NOT getting 100% voting to get in.  A bunch of players should be unanimous in my eyes.
  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,822
    It is the cockamamie sports writers who make this an issue.  Agree that an obvious choice should get in.  Who cares about making them wait, or that they didn't give you an interview.  Someone with overwhelming case should get voted in by everyone.
    If only it were that simple...
    The love he receives is the love that is saved
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,471
    HesCalledDyer said:
    Unanimity shouldn't be a benchmark to players past. Any player that is a sure fire HOFer should get in with 100% of the vote.  It has nothing to do with them being better than guys who didn't get 100%.  That's not what you're voting on.  You're voting on does this person belong in the Hall, not does this person belong in the hall with more votes than this person who is already in?
    Cliffy6745 said:
    MayDay10 said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    MayDay10 said:
    Derek Jeter might be the second ever player to get 100% of the vote?

    Sorry.  Against the greats in history, he doesnt stand out.  over-hyped player.  
    Yeah, he only hit .331/.393/.446 against your Cleveland Indians.  He stinks.
    He doesnt stink.  HOF worthy.  First ballot worthy? sure.....  but if unanimous is a thing of distinction which they made it to be, its a joke to consider Jeter for such an echelon, proclaiming he is theoretically 1 of the 2 best baseball players ever.  Players like Cobb, Wagner, Mantle, Aaron, Ruth, Mays, Henderson, Dimaggio, Speaker, Maddox, Cy Young, Matthewson, Walter Johnson, Musual, Hornsby, Gehrig, Ott, Ted Williams, etc couldnt move the needle there.  Jeter is nowhere near that class, let-alone leading it.
    I could buy a case for Rivera due to him being the unquestionably the best ever at his position/role (even though it is somewhat of a modern-era specialization).  


    I don't get the unanimous thing and honestly don't really care one way or another.  Derek Jeter should be unanimous because there is no objective voter who can look at his career and say he is not a hall of famer, so they should vote for him.  A whole shit load of players should have been, but writers are stupid.  They shouldn't keep him off to make a point. I'd love to see a bunch of people become unanimous selections because it only makes sense.

    Does anyone really think that if Jeter gets 100% of the vote people are going to argue he was better than Ruth or Mays?

    It's pretty cool that my favorite baseball player of all time is getting voted into the hall of fame, so it doesn't really matter to me what percentage of the vote he is going to get.  Unanimous would be cool, but to me it would be about 289458934590 on the list of awesome things Derek Jeter has done in his career.
    Perfectly said guys.
  • MayDay10
    MayDay10 Posts: 11,856
    I agree.  But they did make it a thing.
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,029
    F Me In The Brain said:
    It is the cockamamie sports writers who make this an issue.  Agree that an obvious choice should get in.  Who cares about making them wait, or that they didn't give you an interview.  Someone with overwhelming case should get voted in by everyone.
    If only it were that simple...
    You sure love that word today!
  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,822
    Cliffy6745 said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    It is the cockamamie sports writers who make this an issue.  Agree that an obvious choice should get in.  Who cares about making them wait, or that they didn't give you an interview.  Someone with overwhelming case should get voted in by everyone.
    If only it were that simple...
    You sure love that word today!
    Ha.  It is a cock sort of day, I guess.  Jeter's swordsmanship made an impression on us all.

    The love he receives is the love that is saved
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,883
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    It is the cockamamie sports writers who make this an issue.  Agree that an obvious choice should get in.  Who cares about making them wait, or that they didn't give you an interview.  Someone with overwhelming case should get voted in by everyone.
    If only it were that simple...
    You sure love that word today!
    Ha.  It is a cock sort of day, I guess.  Jeter's swordsmanship made an impression on us all.

    Then ya better take an STD test.  
  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,822
    mrussel1 said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    It is the cockamamie sports writers who make this an issue.  Agree that an obvious choice should get in.  Who cares about making them wait, or that they didn't give you an interview.  Someone with overwhelming case should get voted in by everyone.
    If only it were that simple...
    You sure love that word today!
    Ha.  It is a cock sort of day, I guess.  Jeter's swordsmanship made an impression on us all.

    Then ya better take an STD test.  

    Bah, I'm an old man.  Not getting anything new at 45 & having been with the same woman for 20+ years.

    Oh, wait....there is a flaw in that logic.

    Damn you!

    :lol: 
    The love he receives is the love that is saved
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,471
    mrussel1 said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    It is the cockamamie sports writers who make this an issue.  Agree that an obvious choice should get in.  Who cares about making them wait, or that they didn't give you an interview.  Someone with overwhelming case should get voted in by everyone.
    If only it were that simple...
    You sure love that word today!
    Ha.  It is a cock sort of day, I guess.  Jeter's swordsmanship made an impression on us all.

    Then ya better take an STD test.  
    Did u get the gift basket?
  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,822
    tempo_n_groove said:
    mrussel1 said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    It is the cockamamie sports writers who make this an issue.  Agree that an obvious choice should get in.  Who cares about making them wait, or that they didn't give you an interview.  Someone with overwhelming case should get voted in by everyone.
    If only it were that simple...
    You sure love that word today!
    Ha.  It is a cock sort of day, I guess.  Jeter's swordsmanship made an impression on us all.

    Then ya better take an STD test.  
    Did u get the gift basket?

    Is that what that move is called?

    ;)
    The love he receives is the love that is saved
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,883
    tempo_n_groove said:
    mrussel1 said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    It is the cockamamie sports writers who make this an issue.  Agree that an obvious choice should get in.  Who cares about making them wait, or that they didn't give you an interview.  Someone with overwhelming case should get voted in by everyone.
    If only it were that simple...
    You sure love that word today!
    Ha.  It is a cock sort of day, I guess.  Jeter's swordsmanship made an impression on us all.

    Then ya better take an STD test.  
    Did u get the gift basket?
    Did Jeter send gift baskets to the young ladies he infected?  Good for him!  
  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,929
    if Jeter didn't play for the evil empire no one would be discussing a possible unanimous hall of fame vote for him.  he'd be slightly better than Barry Larkin.  clear Hall of Famer but not an all time historically greatness that would consider unanimous vote.
  • DewieCox
    DewieCox Posts: 11,432
    Cliffy6745 said:
    MayDay10 said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    MayDay10 said:
    Derek Jeter might be the second ever player to get 100% of the vote?

    Sorry.  Against the greats in history, he doesnt stand out.  over-hyped player.  
    Yeah, he only hit .331/.393/.446 against your Cleveland Indians.  He stinks.
    He doesnt stink.  HOF worthy.  First ballot worthy? sure.....  but if unanimous is a thing of distinction which they made it to be, its a joke to consider Jeter for such an echelon, proclaiming he is theoretically 1 of the 2 best baseball players ever.  Players like Cobb, Wagner, Mantle, Aaron, Ruth, Mays, Henderson, Dimaggio, Speaker, Maddox, Cy Young, Matthewson, Walter Johnson, Musual, Hornsby, Gehrig, Ott, Ted Williams, etc couldnt move the needle there.  Jeter is nowhere near that class, let-alone leading it.
    I could buy a case for Rivera due to him being the unquestionably the best ever at his position/role (even though it is somewhat of a modern-era specialization).  


    I don't get the unanimous thing and honestly don't really care one way or another.  Derek Jeter should be unanimous because there is no objective voter who can look at his career and say he is not a hall of famer, so they should vote for him.  A whole shit load of players should have been, but writers are stupid.  They shouldn't keep him off to make a point. I'd love to see a bunch of people become unanimous selections because it only makes sense.

    Does anyone really think that if Jeter gets 100% of the vote people are going to argue he was better than Ruth or Mays?

    It's pretty cool that my favorite baseball player of all time is getting voted into the hall of fame, so it doesn't really matter to me what percentage of the vote he is going to get.  Unanimous would be cool, but to me it would be about 289458934590 on the list of awesome things Derek Jeter has done in his career.
    HesCalledDyer said:
    Unanimity shouldn't be a benchmark to players past. Any player that is a sure fire HOFer should get in with 100% of the vote.  It has nothing to do with them being better than guys who didn't get 100%.  That's not what you're voting on.  You're voting on does this person belong in the Hall, not does this person belong in the hall with more votes than this person who is already in?
    That’s the precedent that has been set. Maybe Rivera opened the gates for it. Should find out soon enough. I totally get the bullshit writer aspect too

     It was just a nice extra smiley sticker on the Rivera vote. Not gonna break my heart either way.
  • eeriepadave
    eeriepadave West Chester, PA Posts: 43,252
    pjhawks said:
    if Jeter didn't play for the evil empire no one would be discussing a possible unanimous hall of fame vote for him.  he'd be slightly better than Barry Larkin.  clear Hall of Famer but not an all time historically greatness that would consider unanimous vote.

    Maybe. He might get in unanimous.
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,883
    One ballot short...
  • eeriepadave
    eeriepadave West Chester, PA Posts: 43,252
    mrussel1 said:
    One ballot short...
    that would be kinda funny

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