MLB 2025 Season
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if being the most dominant pitcher over a decade isn't hall worthy then your hall inductions for pitchers are going to be nil in the coming years. you can't use 1970 number plateau's for pitchers anymore. it doesn't work in today's game.tempo_n_groove said:
Being great for 10 years shouldn't get you in the hall, sorry...pjhawks said:
here is an article in Philly today about Halladay. His numbers were superior than almost everyone for a decade. he is definitely Hall worthy.Poncier said:I would agree.
Pettite skates by on PED's but he used and blamed his father, no way he should get any consideration until the likes of Clemens, Bonds and several others are in. Still can't comprehend why he is given such a pass. Saint Andy my ass.
Halladay may get sympathy votes due to his untimely death, but he really doesn't have the numbers. And Helton will not get in due to the Coors Field factor.
Rivera is a stone cold lock though. Should get at least 95% of the votes, as we know some d-bags won't vote for him so its not unanimous.
https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/phillies/roy-halladay-deserves-be-1st-ballot-hall-famerRoy Halladay deserves to be a 1st-ballot Hall of Famer
Fans in Philadelphia didn’t get to enjoy Roy Halladay for very long. He had two stellar seasons, followed by two injury-plagued years that ended his playing career.
Halladay died in an aircraft accident one year ago. On Monday, Halladay was named among 35 players on the ballot for the 2019 Baseball Hall of Fame (see story).
Customarily, players have to wait five years for Hall of Fame eligibility. If a player dies, they're eligible six months after their death. There has been one exception to this rule in the last 65 years: Roberto Clemente was inducted in 1973, after dying in a plane crash on Dec. 31, 1972.
There are a handful of worthy names on this year’s ballot. And while Roy Halladay was forced into early retirement at 36, he is a pitcher with virtually no equals during his 15-plus major league seasons.
Halladay's death last year hit the Philadelphia sports community hard. His starts with the Phillies were appointment viewing, the likes of which the city hadn’t seen since Curt Schilling dominated teams in the 1990s.
And although fans in Philadelphia only saw two seasons of Halladay's excellence on the mound, his prime lasted a decade — the 2002 through the 2011 seasons.
Here are Halladay's ranks among all MLB pitchers during that span:
Wins — 170 (1st)
Win percentage — .694 (1st)
Complete Games — 63 (1st - by 30!)
Shutouts — 18 (1st)
K/BB Ratio — 4.57 (1st)
ERA — 2.97 (2nd)
ERA+ — 148 (2nd)
Innings — 2194.2 (2nd)
He also made eight All-Star teams, won two Cy Young Awards and finished in the top 5 in Cy Young voting seven times in that 10-year span.
From the years 1995 through 2017, Halladay has more complete games than any pitcher (67). Here's the thing: Halladay only pitched from 1998 through 2013.
Being the best pitcher in baseball for a season is a feat. Being the best pitcher in baseball for an entire decade is something that is truly special. Remember how great Tim Lincecum was at the start of his career? He also won two Cy Youngs. Lincecum didn't even make it to 10 full seasons in the big leagues before a degenerative hip injury derailed his career.
The end of Roy Halladay's baseball career, and his life, occurred far too soon. Voting him into the Baseball Hall of Fame next year would not be.
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tempo_n_groove said:
Being great for 10 years shouldn't get you in the hall, sorry...pjhawks said:
here is an article in Philly today about Halladay. His numbers were superior than almost everyone for a decade. he is definitely Hall worthy.Poncier said:I would agree.
Pettite skates by on PED's but he used and blamed his father, no way he should get any consideration until the likes of Clemens, Bonds and several others are in. Still can't comprehend why he is given such a pass. Saint Andy my ass.
Halladay may get sympathy votes due to his untimely death, but he really doesn't have the numbers. And Helton will not get in due to the Coors Field factor.
Rivera is a stone cold lock though. Should get at least 95% of the votes, as we know some d-bags won't vote for him so its not unanimous.
https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/phillies/roy-halladay-deserves-be-1st-ballot-hall-famerRoy Halladay deserves to be a 1st-ballot Hall of Famer
Fans in Philadelphia didn’t get to enjoy Roy Halladay for very long. He had two stellar seasons, followed by two injury-plagued years that ended his playing career.
Halladay died in an aircraft accident one year ago. On Monday, Halladay was named among 35 players on the ballot for the 2019 Baseball Hall of Fame (see story).
Customarily, players have to wait five years for Hall of Fame eligibility. If a player dies, they're eligible six months after their death. There has been one exception to this rule in the last 65 years: Roberto Clemente was inducted in 1973, after dying in a plane crash on Dec. 31, 1972.
There are a handful of worthy names on this year’s ballot. And while Roy Halladay was forced into early retirement at 36, he is a pitcher with virtually no equals during his 15-plus major league seasons.
Halladay's death last year hit the Philadelphia sports community hard. His starts with the Phillies were appointment viewing, the likes of which the city hadn’t seen since Curt Schilling dominated teams in the 1990s.
And although fans in Philadelphia only saw two seasons of Halladay's excellence on the mound, his prime lasted a decade — the 2002 through the 2011 seasons.
Here are Halladay's ranks among all MLB pitchers during that span:
Wins — 170 (1st)
Win percentage — .694 (1st)
Complete Games — 63 (1st - by 30!)
Shutouts — 18 (1st)
K/BB Ratio — 4.57 (1st)
ERA — 2.97 (2nd)
ERA+ — 148 (2nd)
Innings — 2194.2 (2nd)
He also made eight All-Star teams, won two Cy Young Awards and finished in the top 5 in Cy Young voting seven times in that 10-year span.
From the years 1995 through 2017, Halladay has more complete games than any pitcher (67). Here's the thing: Halladay only pitched from 1998 through 2013.
Being the best pitcher in baseball for a season is a feat. Being the best pitcher in baseball for an entire decade is something that is truly special. Remember how great Tim Lincecum was at the start of his career? He also won two Cy Youngs. Lincecum didn't even make it to 10 full seasons in the big leagues before a degenerative hip injury derailed his career.
The end of Roy Halladay's baseball career, and his life, occurred far too soon. Voting him into the Baseball Hall of Fame next year would not be.
LOL, you realize how ridiculous that sounds? Not even defending Halladay, but 10 years of greatness is basically what most HoF careers are made up of.0 -
1 2 3 y Roger Clemens 7th 4 y Barry Bonds 7th 6 8 9 10 y Jeff Kent 6th 13 14 16 y Mariano Rivera 1st y Roy Halladay 1st 18 20 21 22 23 24 26 28 31 I would vote for:ClemensBonds(I can smell your) KentRiveraHalladaySorry - f this shitty goddamn forum, I could not make the shitfuckingasswipe copy of the fucking excel go away.Some of those names from the original list should never garner a single vote.The love he receives is the love that is saved0 -
I know what you are saying so 250 wins would be good for me not 205 unless you won 20 games for 10 years which no one has done.pjhawks said:
if being the most dominant pitcher over a decade isn't hall worthy then your hall inductions for pitchers are going to be nil in the coming years. you can't use 1970 number plateau's for pitchers anymore. it doesn't work in today's game.tempo_n_groove said:
Being great for 10 years shouldn't get you in the hall, sorry...pjhawks said:
here is an article in Philly today about Halladay. His numbers were superior than almost everyone for a decade. he is definitely Hall worthy.Poncier said:I would agree.
Pettite skates by on PED's but he used and blamed his father, no way he should get any consideration until the likes of Clemens, Bonds and several others are in. Still can't comprehend why he is given such a pass. Saint Andy my ass.
Halladay may get sympathy votes due to his untimely death, but he really doesn't have the numbers. And Helton will not get in due to the Coors Field factor.
Rivera is a stone cold lock though. Should get at least 95% of the votes, as we know some d-bags won't vote for him so its not unanimous.
https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/phillies/roy-halladay-deserves-be-1st-ballot-hall-famerRoy Halladay deserves to be a 1st-ballot Hall of Famer
Fans in Philadelphia didn’t get to enjoy Roy Halladay for very long. He had two stellar seasons, followed by two injury-plagued years that ended his playing career.
Halladay died in an aircraft accident one year ago. On Monday, Halladay was named among 35 players on the ballot for the 2019 Baseball Hall of Fame (see story).
Customarily, players have to wait five years for Hall of Fame eligibility. If a player dies, they're eligible six months after their death. There has been one exception to this rule in the last 65 years: Roberto Clemente was inducted in 1973, after dying in a plane crash on Dec. 31, 1972.
There are a handful of worthy names on this year’s ballot. And while Roy Halladay was forced into early retirement at 36, he is a pitcher with virtually no equals during his 15-plus major league seasons.
Halladay's death last year hit the Philadelphia sports community hard. His starts with the Phillies were appointment viewing, the likes of which the city hadn’t seen since Curt Schilling dominated teams in the 1990s.
And although fans in Philadelphia only saw two seasons of Halladay's excellence on the mound, his prime lasted a decade — the 2002 through the 2011 seasons.
Here are Halladay's ranks among all MLB pitchers during that span:
Wins — 170 (1st)
Win percentage — .694 (1st)
Complete Games — 63 (1st - by 30!)
Shutouts — 18 (1st)
K/BB Ratio — 4.57 (1st)
ERA — 2.97 (2nd)
ERA+ — 148 (2nd)
Innings — 2194.2 (2nd)
He also made eight All-Star teams, won two Cy Young Awards and finished in the top 5 in Cy Young voting seven times in that 10-year span.
From the years 1995 through 2017, Halladay has more complete games than any pitcher (67). Here's the thing: Halladay only pitched from 1998 through 2013.
Being the best pitcher in baseball for a season is a feat. Being the best pitcher in baseball for an entire decade is something that is truly special. Remember how great Tim Lincecum was at the start of his career? He also won two Cy Youngs. Lincecum didn't even make it to 10 full seasons in the big leagues before a degenerative hip injury derailed his career.
The end of Roy Halladay's baseball career, and his life, occurred far too soon. Voting him into the Baseball Hall of Fame next year would not be.
With the pitching I really do have to come to some sort of another way of looking at it.
I look at Lincecum and dude was lights out for a few years w a few Cy Youngs, does he get any mention?
Josh Beckett was a stud in the post season for quite a few years, does he get consideration?
Looking ahead does Baumgarner, Sale, Verlander, and Scherzer get in if they stop playing today?
There are so many variables...
Make your picks though please.0 -
Read yesterday that Halladay only qualified for the ERA title 8 years. That is tough. He only had 8 seasons as a qualified starter...pjhawks said:
if being the most dominant pitcher over a decade isn't hall worthy then your hall inductions for pitchers are going to be nil in the coming years. you can't use 1970 number plateau's for pitchers anymore. it doesn't work in today's game.tempo_n_groove said:
Being great for 10 years shouldn't get you in the hall, sorry...pjhawks said:
here is an article in Philly today about Halladay. His numbers were superior than almost everyone for a decade. he is definitely Hall worthy.Poncier said:I would agree.
Pettite skates by on PED's but he used and blamed his father, no way he should get any consideration until the likes of Clemens, Bonds and several others are in. Still can't comprehend why he is given such a pass. Saint Andy my ass.
Halladay may get sympathy votes due to his untimely death, but he really doesn't have the numbers. And Helton will not get in due to the Coors Field factor.
Rivera is a stone cold lock though. Should get at least 95% of the votes, as we know some d-bags won't vote for him so its not unanimous.
https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/phillies/roy-halladay-deserves-be-1st-ballot-hall-famerRoy Halladay deserves to be a 1st-ballot Hall of Famer
Fans in Philadelphia didn’t get to enjoy Roy Halladay for very long. He had two stellar seasons, followed by two injury-plagued years that ended his playing career.
Halladay died in an aircraft accident one year ago. On Monday, Halladay was named among 35 players on the ballot for the 2019 Baseball Hall of Fame (see story).
Customarily, players have to wait five years for Hall of Fame eligibility. If a player dies, they're eligible six months after their death. There has been one exception to this rule in the last 65 years: Roberto Clemente was inducted in 1973, after dying in a plane crash on Dec. 31, 1972.
There are a handful of worthy names on this year’s ballot. And while Roy Halladay was forced into early retirement at 36, he is a pitcher with virtually no equals during his 15-plus major league seasons.
Halladay's death last year hit the Philadelphia sports community hard. His starts with the Phillies were appointment viewing, the likes of which the city hadn’t seen since Curt Schilling dominated teams in the 1990s.
And although fans in Philadelphia only saw two seasons of Halladay's excellence on the mound, his prime lasted a decade — the 2002 through the 2011 seasons.
Here are Halladay's ranks among all MLB pitchers during that span:
Wins — 170 (1st)
Win percentage — .694 (1st)
Complete Games — 63 (1st - by 30!)
Shutouts — 18 (1st)
K/BB Ratio — 4.57 (1st)
ERA — 2.97 (2nd)
ERA+ — 148 (2nd)
Innings — 2194.2 (2nd)
He also made eight All-Star teams, won two Cy Young Awards and finished in the top 5 in Cy Young voting seven times in that 10-year span.
From the years 1995 through 2017, Halladay has more complete games than any pitcher (67). Here's the thing: Halladay only pitched from 1998 through 2013.
Being the best pitcher in baseball for a season is a feat. Being the best pitcher in baseball for an entire decade is something that is truly special. Remember how great Tim Lincecum was at the start of his career? He also won two Cy Youngs. Lincecum didn't even make it to 10 full seasons in the big leagues before a degenerative hip injury derailed his career.
The end of Roy Halladay's baseball career, and his life, occurred far too soon. Voting him into the Baseball Hall of Fame next year would not be.
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And hot take. Halladay gets in a lot easier than he should because he flew a plane like an idiot. Writers love stories.0
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Please direct me to any player that has only around 10 years of playing ball that has made it into the HOF. You can even google it.DewieCox said:tempo_n_groove said:
Being great for 10 years shouldn't get you in the hall, sorry...pjhawks said:
here is an article in Philly today about Halladay. His numbers were superior than almost everyone for a decade. he is definitely Hall worthy.Poncier said:I would agree.
Pettite skates by on PED's but he used and blamed his father, no way he should get any consideration until the likes of Clemens, Bonds and several others are in. Still can't comprehend why he is given such a pass. Saint Andy my ass.
Halladay may get sympathy votes due to his untimely death, but he really doesn't have the numbers. And Helton will not get in due to the Coors Field factor.
Rivera is a stone cold lock though. Should get at least 95% of the votes, as we know some d-bags won't vote for him so its not unanimous.
https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/phillies/roy-halladay-deserves-be-1st-ballot-hall-famerRoy Halladay deserves to be a 1st-ballot Hall of Famer
Fans in Philadelphia didn’t get to enjoy Roy Halladay for very long. He had two stellar seasons, followed by two injury-plagued years that ended his playing career.
Halladay died in an aircraft accident one year ago. On Monday, Halladay was named among 35 players on the ballot for the 2019 Baseball Hall of Fame (see story).
Customarily, players have to wait five years for Hall of Fame eligibility. If a player dies, they're eligible six months after their death. There has been one exception to this rule in the last 65 years: Roberto Clemente was inducted in 1973, after dying in a plane crash on Dec. 31, 1972.
There are a handful of worthy names on this year’s ballot. And while Roy Halladay was forced into early retirement at 36, he is a pitcher with virtually no equals during his 15-plus major league seasons.
Halladay's death last year hit the Philadelphia sports community hard. His starts with the Phillies were appointment viewing, the likes of which the city hadn’t seen since Curt Schilling dominated teams in the 1990s.
And although fans in Philadelphia only saw two seasons of Halladay's excellence on the mound, his prime lasted a decade — the 2002 through the 2011 seasons.
Here are Halladay's ranks among all MLB pitchers during that span:
Wins — 170 (1st)
Win percentage — .694 (1st)
Complete Games — 63 (1st - by 30!)
Shutouts — 18 (1st)
K/BB Ratio — 4.57 (1st)
ERA — 2.97 (2nd)
ERA+ — 148 (2nd)
Innings — 2194.2 (2nd)
He also made eight All-Star teams, won two Cy Young Awards and finished in the top 5 in Cy Young voting seven times in that 10-year span.
From the years 1995 through 2017, Halladay has more complete games than any pitcher (67). Here's the thing: Halladay only pitched from 1998 through 2013.
Being the best pitcher in baseball for a season is a feat. Being the best pitcher in baseball for an entire decade is something that is truly special. Remember how great Tim Lincecum was at the start of his career? He also won two Cy Youngs. Lincecum didn't even make it to 10 full seasons in the big leagues before a degenerative hip injury derailed his career.
The end of Roy Halladay's baseball career, and his life, occurred far too soon. Voting him into the Baseball Hall of Fame next year would not be.
LOL, you realize how ridiculous that sounds? Not even defending Halladay, but 10 years of greatness is basically what most HoF careers are made up of.
I know off the top of my head 2 and that's Dimaggio and Koufax.
Nobody makes it in off 10 good years. If that were the case then McGriff, Walker and Martinez would have already be in...0 -
Oh and you guys are really going to roast me for this.
I think Omar Vizquel should get in for his defense alone...0 -
Sosa, Manny and Jones don't make it huh?Poncier said:I'd vote for;
Rivera
Clemens
Mussina
Bonds
Schilling
What's the point of even putting the likes of Youk, Garland, Lilly and a few others on the ballot.0 -
Manny not being a hall of famer is comical. The other two aren't.tempo_n_groove said:
Sosa, Manny and Jones don't make it huh?Poncier said:I'd vote for;
Rivera
Clemens
Mussina
Bonds
Schilling
What's the point of even putting the likes of Youk, Garland, Lilly and a few others on the ballot.0 -
pjhawks said:
if being the most dominant pitcher over a decade isn't hall worthy then your hall inductions for pitchers are going to be nil in the coming years. you can't use 1970 number plateau's for pitchers anymore. it doesn't work in today's game.tempo_n_groove said:
Being great for 10 years shouldn't get you in the hall, sorry...pjhawks said:
here is an article in Philly today about Halladay. His numbers were superior than almost everyone for a decade. he is definitely Hall worthy.Poncier said:I would agree.
Pettite skates by on PED's but he used and blamed his father, no way he should get any consideration until the likes of Clemens, Bonds and several others are in. Still can't comprehend why he is given such a pass. Saint Andy my ass.
Halladay may get sympathy votes due to his untimely death, but he really doesn't have the numbers. And Helton will not get in due to the Coors Field factor.
Rivera is a stone cold lock though. Should get at least 95% of the votes, as we know some d-bags won't vote for him so its not unanimous.
https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/phillies/roy-halladay-deserves-be-1st-ballot-hall-famerRoy Halladay deserves to be a 1st-ballot Hall of Famer
Fans in Philadelphia didn’t get to enjoy Roy Halladay for very long. He had two stellar seasons, followed by two injury-plagued years that ended his playing career.
Halladay died in an aircraft accident one year ago. On Monday, Halladay was named among 35 players on the ballot for the 2019 Baseball Hall of Fame (see story).
Customarily, players have to wait five years for Hall of Fame eligibility. If a player dies, they're eligible six months after their death. There has been one exception to this rule in the last 65 years: Roberto Clemente was inducted in 1973, after dying in a plane crash on Dec. 31, 1972.
There are a handful of worthy names on this year’s ballot. And while Roy Halladay was forced into early retirement at 36, he is a pitcher with virtually no equals during his 15-plus major league seasons.
Halladay's death last year hit the Philadelphia sports community hard. His starts with the Phillies were appointment viewing, the likes of which the city hadn’t seen since Curt Schilling dominated teams in the 1990s.
And although fans in Philadelphia only saw two seasons of Halladay's excellence on the mound, his prime lasted a decade — the 2002 through the 2011 seasons.
Here are Halladay's ranks among all MLB pitchers during that span:
Wins — 170 (1st)
Win percentage — .694 (1st)
Complete Games — 63 (1st - by 30!)
Shutouts — 18 (1st)
K/BB Ratio — 4.57 (1st)
ERA — 2.97 (2nd)
ERA+ — 148 (2nd)
Innings — 2194.2 (2nd)
He also made eight All-Star teams, won two Cy Young Awards and finished in the top 5 in Cy Young voting seven times in that 10-year span.
From the years 1995 through 2017, Halladay has more complete games than any pitcher (67). Here's the thing: Halladay only pitched from 1998 through 2013.
Being the best pitcher in baseball for a season is a feat. Being the best pitcher in baseball for an entire decade is something that is truly special. Remember how great Tim Lincecum was at the start of his career? He also won two Cy Youngs. Lincecum didn't even make it to 10 full seasons in the big leagues before a degenerative hip injury derailed his career.
The end of Roy Halladay's baseball career, and his life, occurred far too soon. Voting him into the Baseball Hall of Fame next year would not be.
Agreed.
300 wins will never happen again. 200 is the new 300.
That being said... put Clemens in the gawddamn hall already. Geezuz."My brain's a good brain!"0 -
Using that logic though Mussina doesn't make it in considering the era he played then.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:pjhawks said:
if being the most dominant pitcher over a decade isn't hall worthy then your hall inductions for pitchers are going to be nil in the coming years. you can't use 1970 number plateau's for pitchers anymore. it doesn't work in today's game.tempo_n_groove said:
Being great for 10 years shouldn't get you in the hall, sorry...pjhawks said:
here is an article in Philly today about Halladay. His numbers were superior than almost everyone for a decade. he is definitely Hall worthy.Poncier said:I would agree.
Pettite skates by on PED's but he used and blamed his father, no way he should get any consideration until the likes of Clemens, Bonds and several others are in. Still can't comprehend why he is given such a pass. Saint Andy my ass.
Halladay may get sympathy votes due to his untimely death, but he really doesn't have the numbers. And Helton will not get in due to the Coors Field factor.
Rivera is a stone cold lock though. Should get at least 95% of the votes, as we know some d-bags won't vote for him so its not unanimous.
https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/phillies/roy-halladay-deserves-be-1st-ballot-hall-famerRoy Halladay deserves to be a 1st-ballot Hall of Famer
Fans in Philadelphia didn’t get to enjoy Roy Halladay for very long. He had two stellar seasons, followed by two injury-plagued years that ended his playing career.
Halladay died in an aircraft accident one year ago. On Monday, Halladay was named among 35 players on the ballot for the 2019 Baseball Hall of Fame (see story).
Customarily, players have to wait five years for Hall of Fame eligibility. If a player dies, they're eligible six months after their death. There has been one exception to this rule in the last 65 years: Roberto Clemente was inducted in 1973, after dying in a plane crash on Dec. 31, 1972.
There are a handful of worthy names on this year’s ballot. And while Roy Halladay was forced into early retirement at 36, he is a pitcher with virtually no equals during his 15-plus major league seasons.
Halladay's death last year hit the Philadelphia sports community hard. His starts with the Phillies were appointment viewing, the likes of which the city hadn’t seen since Curt Schilling dominated teams in the 1990s.
And although fans in Philadelphia only saw two seasons of Halladay's excellence on the mound, his prime lasted a decade — the 2002 through the 2011 seasons.
Here are Halladay's ranks among all MLB pitchers during that span:
Wins — 170 (1st)
Win percentage — .694 (1st)
Complete Games — 63 (1st - by 30!)
Shutouts — 18 (1st)
K/BB Ratio — 4.57 (1st)
ERA — 2.97 (2nd)
ERA+ — 148 (2nd)
Innings — 2194.2 (2nd)
He also made eight All-Star teams, won two Cy Young Awards and finished in the top 5 in Cy Young voting seven times in that 10-year span.
From the years 1995 through 2017, Halladay has more complete games than any pitcher (67). Here's the thing: Halladay only pitched from 1998 through 2013.
Being the best pitcher in baseball for a season is a feat. Being the best pitcher in baseball for an entire decade is something that is truly special. Remember how great Tim Lincecum was at the start of his career? He also won two Cy Youngs. Lincecum didn't even make it to 10 full seasons in the big leagues before a degenerative hip injury derailed his career.
The end of Roy Halladay's baseball career, and his life, occurred far too soon. Voting him into the Baseball Hall of Fame next year would not be.
Agreed.
300 wins will never happen again. 200 is the new 300.
That being said... put Clemens in the gawddamn hall already. Geezuz.
I still think 200 is too low. You can have a half assed carrer and go 14 w 14 l games a year for 15 years and be considered.
No way.
Up it to 250 at least.0 -
Sosa was a 30/30 guy before he became a HR hitter. I put him in.Cliffy6745 said:
Manny not being a hall of famer is comical. The other two aren't.tempo_n_groove said:
Sosa, Manny and Jones don't make it huh?Poncier said:I'd vote for;
Rivera
Clemens
Mussina
Bonds
Schilling
What's the point of even putting the likes of Youk, Garland, Lilly and a few others on the ballot.
Jones I am on the fence about but he was a really good outfielder too. I am softening up about fielding and weigh it in now with players.0 -
tempo_n_groove said:Oh and you guys are really going to roast me for this.
I think Omar Vizquel should get in for his defense alone...He was an amazing defensive player, no doubt.I do not vote for him but I can understand someone doing so.The love he receives is the love that is saved0 -
Cliffy6745 said:And hot take. Halladay gets in a lot easier than he should because he flew a plane like an idiot. Writers love stories.Agree that being a giant dumbass will actually help his voting cred.The love he receives is the love that is saved0
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tempo_n_groove said:
Using that logic though Mussina doesn't make it in considering the era he played then.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:pjhawks said:
if being the most dominant pitcher over a decade isn't hall worthy then your hall inductions for pitchers are going to be nil in the coming years. you can't use 1970 number plateau's for pitchers anymore. it doesn't work in today's game.tempo_n_groove said:
Being great for 10 years shouldn't get you in the hall, sorry...pjhawks said:
here is an article in Philly today about Halladay. His numbers were superior than almost everyone for a decade. he is definitely Hall worthy.Poncier said:I would agree.
Pettite skates by on PED's but he used and blamed his father, no way he should get any consideration until the likes of Clemens, Bonds and several others are in. Still can't comprehend why he is given such a pass. Saint Andy my ass.
Halladay may get sympathy votes due to his untimely death, but he really doesn't have the numbers. And Helton will not get in due to the Coors Field factor.
Rivera is a stone cold lock though. Should get at least 95% of the votes, as we know some d-bags won't vote for him so its not unanimous.
https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/phillies/roy-halladay-deserves-be-1st-ballot-hall-famerRoy Halladay deserves to be a 1st-ballot Hall of Famer
Fans in Philadelphia didn’t get to enjoy Roy Halladay for very long. He had two stellar seasons, followed by two injury-plagued years that ended his playing career.
Halladay died in an aircraft accident one year ago. On Monday, Halladay was named among 35 players on the ballot for the 2019 Baseball Hall of Fame (see story).
Customarily, players have to wait five years for Hall of Fame eligibility. If a player dies, they're eligible six months after their death. There has been one exception to this rule in the last 65 years: Roberto Clemente was inducted in 1973, after dying in a plane crash on Dec. 31, 1972.
There are a handful of worthy names on this year’s ballot. And while Roy Halladay was forced into early retirement at 36, he is a pitcher with virtually no equals during his 15-plus major league seasons.
Halladay's death last year hit the Philadelphia sports community hard. His starts with the Phillies were appointment viewing, the likes of which the city hadn’t seen since Curt Schilling dominated teams in the 1990s.
And although fans in Philadelphia only saw two seasons of Halladay's excellence on the mound, his prime lasted a decade — the 2002 through the 2011 seasons.
Here are Halladay's ranks among all MLB pitchers during that span:
Wins — 170 (1st)
Win percentage — .694 (1st)
Complete Games — 63 (1st - by 30!)
Shutouts — 18 (1st)
K/BB Ratio — 4.57 (1st)
ERA — 2.97 (2nd)
ERA+ — 148 (2nd)
Innings — 2194.2 (2nd)
He also made eight All-Star teams, won two Cy Young Awards and finished in the top 5 in Cy Young voting seven times in that 10-year span.
From the years 1995 through 2017, Halladay has more complete games than any pitcher (67). Here's the thing: Halladay only pitched from 1998 through 2013.
Being the best pitcher in baseball for a season is a feat. Being the best pitcher in baseball for an entire decade is something that is truly special. Remember how great Tim Lincecum was at the start of his career? He also won two Cy Youngs. Lincecum didn't even make it to 10 full seasons in the big leagues before a degenerative hip injury derailed his career.
The end of Roy Halladay's baseball career, and his life, occurred far too soon. Voting him into the Baseball Hall of Fame next year would not be.
Agreed.
300 wins will never happen again. 200 is the new 300.
That being said... put Clemens in the gawddamn hall already. Geezuz.
I still think 200 is too low. You can have a half assed carrer and go 14 w 14 l games a year for 15 years and be considered.
No way.
Up it to 250 at least.
The numbers you present make sense; however, there is one variable that seems to differ from the past- arm injuries. It just seems that pitchers nowadays cannot go a length of a career without sustaining a serious arm, elbow or shoulder injury.
After writing the above... I researched a bit. It seems shoulder injuries are down, but elbow injuries are on the rise. And overall, injury rates are rising.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/298909145_Injury_Trends_in_Major_League_Baseball_Over_18_Seasons_1998-2015
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That's because this current group of players play and exercise all year long now. There is never any down time, an off season, for their bodies to repair and reset.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:tempo_n_groove said:
Using that logic though Mussina doesn't make it in considering the era he played then.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:pjhawks said:
if being the most dominant pitcher over a decade isn't hall worthy then your hall inductions for pitchers are going to be nil in the coming years. you can't use 1970 number plateau's for pitchers anymore. it doesn't work in today's game.tempo_n_groove said:
Being great for 10 years shouldn't get you in the hall, sorry...pjhawks said:
here is an article in Philly today about Halladay. His numbers were superior than almost everyone for a decade. he is definitely Hall worthy.Poncier said:I would agree.
Pettite skates by on PED's but he used and blamed his father, no way he should get any consideration until the likes of Clemens, Bonds and several others are in. Still can't comprehend why he is given such a pass. Saint Andy my ass.
Halladay may get sympathy votes due to his untimely death, but he really doesn't have the numbers. And Helton will not get in due to the Coors Field factor.
Rivera is a stone cold lock though. Should get at least 95% of the votes, as we know some d-bags won't vote for him so its not unanimous.
https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/phillies/roy-halladay-deserves-be-1st-ballot-hall-famerRoy Halladay deserves to be a 1st-ballot Hall of Famer
Fans in Philadelphia didn’t get to enjoy Roy Halladay for very long. He had two stellar seasons, followed by two injury-plagued years that ended his playing career.
Halladay died in an aircraft accident one year ago. On Monday, Halladay was named among 35 players on the ballot for the 2019 Baseball Hall of Fame (see story).
Customarily, players have to wait five years for Hall of Fame eligibility. If a player dies, they're eligible six months after their death. There has been one exception to this rule in the last 65 years: Roberto Clemente was inducted in 1973, after dying in a plane crash on Dec. 31, 1972.
There are a handful of worthy names on this year’s ballot. And while Roy Halladay was forced into early retirement at 36, he is a pitcher with virtually no equals during his 15-plus major league seasons.
Halladay's death last year hit the Philadelphia sports community hard. His starts with the Phillies were appointment viewing, the likes of which the city hadn’t seen since Curt Schilling dominated teams in the 1990s.
And although fans in Philadelphia only saw two seasons of Halladay's excellence on the mound, his prime lasted a decade — the 2002 through the 2011 seasons.
Here are Halladay's ranks among all MLB pitchers during that span:
Wins — 170 (1st)
Win percentage — .694 (1st)
Complete Games — 63 (1st - by 30!)
Shutouts — 18 (1st)
K/BB Ratio — 4.57 (1st)
ERA — 2.97 (2nd)
ERA+ — 148 (2nd)
Innings — 2194.2 (2nd)
He also made eight All-Star teams, won two Cy Young Awards and finished in the top 5 in Cy Young voting seven times in that 10-year span.
From the years 1995 through 2017, Halladay has more complete games than any pitcher (67). Here's the thing: Halladay only pitched from 1998 through 2013.
Being the best pitcher in baseball for a season is a feat. Being the best pitcher in baseball for an entire decade is something that is truly special. Remember how great Tim Lincecum was at the start of his career? He also won two Cy Youngs. Lincecum didn't even make it to 10 full seasons in the big leagues before a degenerative hip injury derailed his career.
The end of Roy Halladay's baseball career, and his life, occurred far too soon. Voting him into the Baseball Hall of Fame next year would not be.
Agreed.
300 wins will never happen again. 200 is the new 300.
That being said... put Clemens in the gawddamn hall already. Geezuz.
I still think 200 is too low. You can have a half assed carrer and go 14 w 14 l games a year for 15 years and be considered.
No way.
Up it to 250 at least.
The numbers you present make sense; however, there is one variable that seems to differ from the past- arm injuries. It just seems that pitchers nowadays cannot go a length of a career without sustaining a serious arm, elbow or shoulder injury.
After writing the above... I researched a bit. It seems shoulder injuries are down, but elbow injuries are on the rise. And overall, injury rates are rising.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/298909145_Injury_Trends_in_Major_League_Baseball_Over_18_Seasons_1998-2015Alright, alright, alright!
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Agreed.JK_Livin said:
That's because this current group of players play and exercise all year long now. There is never any down time, an off season, for their bodies to repair and reset.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:tempo_n_groove said:
Using that logic though Mussina doesn't make it in considering the era he played then.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:pjhawks said:
if being the most dominant pitcher over a decade isn't hall worthy then your hall inductions for pitchers are going to be nil in the coming years. you can't use 1970 number plateau's for pitchers anymore. it doesn't work in today's game.tempo_n_groove said:
Being great for 10 years shouldn't get you in the hall, sorry...pjhawks said:
here is an article in Philly today about Halladay. His numbers were superior than almost everyone for a decade. he is definitely Hall worthy.Poncier said:I would agree.
Pettite skates by on PED's but he used and blamed his father, no way he should get any consideration until the likes of Clemens, Bonds and several others are in. Still can't comprehend why he is given such a pass. Saint Andy my ass.
Halladay may get sympathy votes due to his untimely death, but he really doesn't have the numbers. And Helton will not get in due to the Coors Field factor.
Rivera is a stone cold lock though. Should get at least 95% of the votes, as we know some d-bags won't vote for him so its not unanimous.
https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/phillies/roy-halladay-deserves-be-1st-ballot-hall-famerRoy Halladay deserves to be a 1st-ballot Hall of Famer
Fans in Philadelphia didn’t get to enjoy Roy Halladay for very long. He had two stellar seasons, followed by two injury-plagued years that ended his playing career.
Halladay died in an aircraft accident one year ago. On Monday, Halladay was named among 35 players on the ballot for the 2019 Baseball Hall of Fame (see story).
Customarily, players have to wait five years for Hall of Fame eligibility. If a player dies, they're eligible six months after their death. There has been one exception to this rule in the last 65 years: Roberto Clemente was inducted in 1973, after dying in a plane crash on Dec. 31, 1972.
There are a handful of worthy names on this year’s ballot. And while Roy Halladay was forced into early retirement at 36, he is a pitcher with virtually no equals during his 15-plus major league seasons.
Halladay's death last year hit the Philadelphia sports community hard. His starts with the Phillies were appointment viewing, the likes of which the city hadn’t seen since Curt Schilling dominated teams in the 1990s.
And although fans in Philadelphia only saw two seasons of Halladay's excellence on the mound, his prime lasted a decade — the 2002 through the 2011 seasons.
Here are Halladay's ranks among all MLB pitchers during that span:
Wins — 170 (1st)
Win percentage — .694 (1st)
Complete Games — 63 (1st - by 30!)
Shutouts — 18 (1st)
K/BB Ratio — 4.57 (1st)
ERA — 2.97 (2nd)
ERA+ — 148 (2nd)
Innings — 2194.2 (2nd)
He also made eight All-Star teams, won two Cy Young Awards and finished in the top 5 in Cy Young voting seven times in that 10-year span.
From the years 1995 through 2017, Halladay has more complete games than any pitcher (67). Here's the thing: Halladay only pitched from 1998 through 2013.
Being the best pitcher in baseball for a season is a feat. Being the best pitcher in baseball for an entire decade is something that is truly special. Remember how great Tim Lincecum was at the start of his career? He also won two Cy Youngs. Lincecum didn't even make it to 10 full seasons in the big leagues before a degenerative hip injury derailed his career.
The end of Roy Halladay's baseball career, and his life, occurred far too soon. Voting him into the Baseball Hall of Fame next year would not be.
Agreed.
300 wins will never happen again. 200 is the new 300.
That being said... put Clemens in the gawddamn hall already. Geezuz.
I still think 200 is too low. You can have a half assed carrer and go 14 w 14 l games a year for 15 years and be considered.
No way.
Up it to 250 at least.
The numbers you present make sense; however, there is one variable that seems to differ from the past- arm injuries. It just seems that pitchers nowadays cannot go a length of a career without sustaining a serious arm, elbow or shoulder injury.
After writing the above... I researched a bit. It seems shoulder injuries are down, but elbow injuries are on the rise. And overall, injury rates are rising.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/298909145_Injury_Trends_in_Major_League_Baseball_Over_18_Seasons_1998-2015
Further, from a very early age (when they are developing physically still)... many athletes log countless throws as they 'specialize' when they should be cross training and playing multiple sports.
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Another reason why most good hitting pitchers become good hitting fielders.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
Agreed.JK_Livin said:
That's because this current group of players play and exercise all year long now. There is never any down time, an off season, for their bodies to repair and reset.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:tempo_n_groove said:
Using that logic though Mussina doesn't make it in considering the era he played then.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:pjhawks said:
if being the most dominant pitcher over a decade isn't hall worthy then your hall inductions for pitchers are going to be nil in the coming years. you can't use 1970 number plateau's for pitchers anymore. it doesn't work in today's game.tempo_n_groove said:
Being great for 10 years shouldn't get you in the hall, sorry...pjhawks said:
here is an article in Philly today about Halladay. His numbers were superior than almost everyone for a decade. he is definitely Hall worthy.Poncier said:I would agree.
Pettite skates by on PED's but he used and blamed his father, no way he should get any consideration until the likes of Clemens, Bonds and several others are in. Still can't comprehend why he is given such a pass. Saint Andy my ass.
Halladay may get sympathy votes due to his untimely death, but he really doesn't have the numbers. And Helton will not get in due to the Coors Field factor.
Rivera is a stone cold lock though. Should get at least 95% of the votes, as we know some d-bags won't vote for him so its not unanimous.
https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/phillies/roy-halladay-deserves-be-1st-ballot-hall-famerRoy Halladay deserves to be a 1st-ballot Hall of Famer
Fans in Philadelphia didn’t get to enjoy Roy Halladay for very long. He had two stellar seasons, followed by two injury-plagued years that ended his playing career.
Halladay died in an aircraft accident one year ago. On Monday, Halladay was named among 35 players on the ballot for the 2019 Baseball Hall of Fame (see story).
Customarily, players have to wait five years for Hall of Fame eligibility. If a player dies, they're eligible six months after their death. There has been one exception to this rule in the last 65 years: Roberto Clemente was inducted in 1973, after dying in a plane crash on Dec. 31, 1972.
There are a handful of worthy names on this year’s ballot. And while Roy Halladay was forced into early retirement at 36, he is a pitcher with virtually no equals during his 15-plus major league seasons.
Halladay's death last year hit the Philadelphia sports community hard. His starts with the Phillies were appointment viewing, the likes of which the city hadn’t seen since Curt Schilling dominated teams in the 1990s.
And although fans in Philadelphia only saw two seasons of Halladay's excellence on the mound, his prime lasted a decade — the 2002 through the 2011 seasons.
Here are Halladay's ranks among all MLB pitchers during that span:
Wins — 170 (1st)
Win percentage — .694 (1st)
Complete Games — 63 (1st - by 30!)
Shutouts — 18 (1st)
K/BB Ratio — 4.57 (1st)
ERA — 2.97 (2nd)
ERA+ — 148 (2nd)
Innings — 2194.2 (2nd)
He also made eight All-Star teams, won two Cy Young Awards and finished in the top 5 in Cy Young voting seven times in that 10-year span.
From the years 1995 through 2017, Halladay has more complete games than any pitcher (67). Here's the thing: Halladay only pitched from 1998 through 2013.
Being the best pitcher in baseball for a season is a feat. Being the best pitcher in baseball for an entire decade is something that is truly special. Remember how great Tim Lincecum was at the start of his career? He also won two Cy Youngs. Lincecum didn't even make it to 10 full seasons in the big leagues before a degenerative hip injury derailed his career.
The end of Roy Halladay's baseball career, and his life, occurred far too soon. Voting him into the Baseball Hall of Fame next year would not be.
Agreed.
300 wins will never happen again. 200 is the new 300.
That being said... put Clemens in the gawddamn hall already. Geezuz.
I still think 200 is too low. You can have a half assed carrer and go 14 w 14 l games a year for 15 years and be considered.
No way.
Up it to 250 at least.
The numbers you present make sense; however, there is one variable that seems to differ from the past- arm injuries. It just seems that pitchers nowadays cannot go a length of a career without sustaining a serious arm, elbow or shoulder injury.
After writing the above... I researched a bit. It seems shoulder injuries are down, but elbow injuries are on the rise. And overall, injury rates are rising.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/298909145_Injury_Trends_in_Major_League_Baseball_Over_18_Seasons_1998-2015
Further, from a very early age (when they are developing physically still)... many athletes log countless throws as they 'specialize' when they should be cross training and playing multiple sports.
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