MLB 2025 Season

HesCalledDyer

tempo_n_groove said:

1	y Edgar Martinez	10th
2	y Mike Mussina	6th
3	y Roger Clemens	7th
4	y Barry Bonds	7th
5	y Curt Schilling	7th
6	y Omar Vizquel	2nd
7	y Larry Walker	9th
8	y Fred McGriff	10th
9	y Manny Ramirez	3rd
10	y Jeff Kent	6th
11	y Gary Sheffield	5th
12	y Billy Wagner	4th
13	y Scott Rolen	2nd
14	y Sammy Sosa	7th
15	y Andruw Jones	2nd
16	y Mariano Rivera	1st
17	y Roy Halladay	1st
18	y Todd Helton	1st
19	y Andy Pettitte	1st
20	y Lance Berkman	1st
21	y Roy Oswalt	1st
22	y Miguel Tejada	1st
23	y Placido Polanco	1st
24	y Kevin Youkilis	1st
25	y Derek Lowe	1st
26	y Freddy Garcia	1st
27	y Vernon Wells	1st
28	y Ted Lilly	1st
29	y Travis Hafner	1st
30	y Jason Bay	1st
31	y Michael Young	1st
32	y Jon Garland	1st
33	y Darren Oliver	1st
34	y Juan Pierre	1st
35	y Rick Ankiel	1

35 players up for HOF consideration.  Years on the ballot on the right.

So the rules are you can vote for 10.  Do you vote all 10?

Wondering if I should make a poll?

Note: Click on the players name for a link to career stats.

If 10 are worthy, I’d vote for 10. As for this list, I’ve got 8:

Bonds
Clemens
Rivera
Sosa
Ramirez
Mussina
Schilling
Halladay

Poncier

tempo_n_groove said:

Poncier said:

I'd vote for;
Rivera
Clemens
Mussina
Bonds
Schilling



What's the point of even putting the likes of Youk, Garland, Lilly and a few others on the ballot.

Sosa, Manny and Jones don't make it huh?

Manny was borderline for me. But dude got suspended multiple times for PEDs. Bonds & Clemens as noted in previous discussions were HOF worthy before they started juicing (from what we all think is the timeline).
Sosa before juice not even close.  Manny had he not been blatantly caught on  multiple occasions, I'd vote for. Jones just doesn't make the cut in my opinion.

tempo_n_groove

Poncier said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Poncier said:

I'd vote for;
Rivera
Clemens
Mussina
Bonds
Schilling



What's the point of even putting the likes of Youk, Garland, Lilly and a few others on the ballot.

Sosa, Manny and Jones don't make it huh?

Manny was borderline for me. But dude got suspended multiple times for PEDs. Bonds & Clemens as noted in previous discussions were HOF worthy before they started juicing (from what we all think is the timeline).
Sosa before juice not even close.  Manny had he not been blatantly caught on  multiple occasions, I'd vote for. Jones just doesn't make the cut in my opinion.

The "when they juiced" thing is really trivial.  We all knew people were juicing.  The writers knew they were juicing.  A bunch of people and the BBHOF writers need to get off their high horses and stop acting like they didn't know what was going on.  It's just silly.

Piazza is in?  Ivan Rodriguez is in?  Good.

Let em all in if they have the numbers.

tempo_n_groove

HesCalledDyer said:

If 10 are worthy, I’d vote for 10. As for this list, I’ve got 8:

Bonds
Clemens
Rivera
Sosa
Ramirez
Mussina
Schilling
Halladay

Out of all these guys I am curious about Schilling?  Is it the bloody sock that gets him in?  I don't see him as being in there.

Cliffy6745

Ketchup sock.

tempo_n_groove

Cliffy6745 said:

Ketchup sock.

C'mon.  It was a cool moment in BB history.

JK_Livin

tempo_n_groove said:

Cliffy6745 said:

Ketchup sock.

C'mon.  It was a cool moment in BB history.

Thought it was BBQ sauce?

HesCalledDyer

tempo_n_groove said:

HesCalledDyer said:

If 10 are worthy, I’d vote for 10. As for this list, I’ve got 8:

Bonds
Clemens
Rivera
Sosa
Ramirez
Mussina
Schilling
Halladay

Out of all these guys I am curious about Schilling?  Is it the bloody sock that gets him in?  I don't see him as being in there.

He’s a borderline vote, but I think he deserves it. 200 wins, 3000 K, 85 CG, 20 SHO, 3-time WS Champion. He’s basically Halladay without the Cy Young awards.

Cliffy6745

tempo_n_groove said:

Cliffy6745 said:

Ketchup sock.

C'mon.  It was a cool moment in BB history.

Literally the least cool moment in baseball history.

tempo_n_groove

Cliffy6745 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Cliffy6745 said:

Ketchup sock.

C'mon.  It was a cool moment in BB history.

Literally the least cool moment in baseball history.

Nolan Ryan w the bloody shirt doesn't do it for you?

Cliffy6745

tempo_n_groove said:

Cliffy6745 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Cliffy6745 said:

Ketchup sock.

C'mon.  It was a cool moment in BB history.

Literally the least cool moment in baseball history.

Nolan Ryan w the bloody shirt doesn't do it for you?

Hell yeah!  Real blood!

tempo_n_groove

Cliffy6745 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Cliffy6745 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Cliffy6745 said:

Ketchup sock.

C'mon.  It was a cool moment in BB history.

Literally the least cool moment in baseball history.

Nolan Ryan w the bloody shirt doesn't do it for you?

Hell yeah!  Real blood!

lol, just as I thought...Biased opinion...

pjhawks

tempo_n_groove said:

pjhawks said:

tempo_n_groove said:

pjhawks said:

Poncier said:

I would agree.

Pettite skates by on PED's but he used and blamed his father, no way he should get any consideration until the likes of Clemens, Bonds and several others are in. Still can't comprehend why he is given such a pass. Saint Andy my ass.
Halladay may get sympathy votes due to his untimely death, but he really doesn't have the numbers. And Helton will not get in due to the Coors Field factor.

Rivera is a stone cold lock though. Should get at least 95% of the votes, as we know some d-bags won't vote for him so its not unanimous.

here is an article in Philly today about Halladay.  His numbers were superior than almost everyone for a decade. he is definitely Hall worthy.

https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/phillies/roy-halladay-deserves-be-1st-ballot-hall-famer

Roy Halladay deserves to be a 1st-ballot Hall of Famer

By Dan Roche November 20, 2018 9:20 AM

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Fans in Philadelphia didn’t get to enjoy Roy Halladay for very long. He had two stellar seasons, followed by two injury-plagued years that ended his playing career.

Halladay died in an aircraft accident one year ago. On Monday, Halladay was named among 35 players on the ballot for the 2019 Baseball Hall of Fame (see story).

Customarily, players have to wait five years for Hall of Fame eligibility. If a player dies, they're eligible six months after their death. There has been one exception to this rule in the last 65 years: Roberto Clemente was inducted in 1973, after dying in a plane crash on Dec. 31, 1972.

There are a handful of worthy names on this year’s ballot. And while Roy Halladay was forced into early retirement at 36, he is a pitcher with virtually no equals during his 15-plus major league seasons.

Halladay's death last year hit the Philadelphia sports community hard. His starts with the Phillies were appointment viewing, the likes of which the city hadn’t seen since Curt Schilling dominated teams in the 1990s.

And although fans in Philadelphia only saw two seasons of Halladay's excellence on the mound, his prime lasted a decade — the 2002 through the 2011 seasons.

Here are Halladay's ranks among all MLB pitchers during that span:

Wins — 170 (1st)

Win percentage — .694 (1st)

Complete Games — 63 (1st - by 30!)

Shutouts — 18 (1st)

K/BB Ratio — 4.57 (1st)

ERA — 2.97 (2nd)

ERA+ — 148 (2nd)

Innings — 2194.2 (2nd)

He also made eight All-Star teams, won two Cy Young Awards and finished in the top 5 in Cy Young voting seven times in that 10-year span.

From the years 1995 through 2017, Halladay has more complete games than any pitcher (67). Here's the thing: Halladay only pitched from 1998 through 2013.

Being the best pitcher in baseball for a season is a feat. Being the best pitcher in baseball for an entire decade is something that is truly special. Remember how great Tim Lincecum was at the start of his career? He also won two Cy Youngs. Lincecum didn't even make it to 10 full seasons in the big leagues before a degenerative hip injury derailed his career.

The end of Roy Halladay's baseball career, and his life, occurred far too soon. Voting him into the Baseball Hall of Fame next year would not be.

Being great for 10 years shouldn't get you in the hall, sorry...

if being the most dominant pitcher over a decade isn't hall worthy then your hall inductions for pitchers are going to be nil in the coming years.  you can't use 1970 number plateau's for pitchers anymore. it doesn't work in today's game.

I know what you are saying so 250 wins would be good for me not 205 unless you won 20 games for 10 years which no one has done.

With the pitching I really do have to come to some sort of another way of looking at it.

I look at Lincecum and dude was lights out for a few years w a few Cy Youngs, does he get any mention?

Josh Beckett was a stud in the post season for quite a few years, does he get consideration?

Looking ahead does Baumgarner, Sale, Verlander, and Scherzer get in if they stop playing today?

There are so many variables...

Make your picks though please.

Verlander and Scherzer absolutely are hall of famers in my book.  Baumgerner and Sale not yet. Lincecum and Beckett no

HesCalledDyer

When Adrian Beltre made his MLB debut, Google didn’t exist and Juan Soto was not born. (They’d enter the world 3 & 4 months later, respectively.)

Poncier

HesCalledDyer said:

tempo_n_groove said:

HesCalledDyer said:

If 10 are worthy, I’d vote for 10. As for this list, I’ve got 8:

Bonds
Clemens
Rivera
Sosa
Ramirez
Mussina
Schilling
Halladay

Out of all these guys I am curious about Schilling?  Is it the bloody sock that gets him in?  I don't see him as being in there.

He’s a borderline vote, but I think he deserves it. 200 wins, 3000 K, 85 CG, 20 SHO, 3-time WS Champion. He’s basically Halladay without the Cy Young awards.

His regular season stats make him borderline.

His post season stats put him in.

11-2 with a 2.23 ERA in the post season.

His politics however have and will continue to keep him out.

HesCalledDyer

Poncier said:

HesCalledDyer said:

tempo_n_groove said:

HesCalledDyer said:

If 10 are worthy, I’d vote for 10. As for this list, I’ve got 8:

Bonds
Clemens
Rivera
Sosa
Ramirez
Mussina
Schilling
Halladay

Out of all these guys I am curious about Schilling?  Is it the bloody sock that gets him in?  I don't see him as being in there.

He’s a borderline vote, but I think he deserves it. 200 wins, 3000 K, 85 CG, 20 SHO, 3-time WS Champion. He’s basically Halladay without the Cy Young awards.

His regular season stats make him borderline.

His post season stats put him in.

11-2 with a 2.23 ERA in the post season.

His politics however have and will continue to keep him out.

First two statements I completely agree. The last statement, all I have to say is if voters are looking at things that have nothing to do with a baseball career, they need to lose their vote. I don’t agree with much he says or does in his retirement either, but that takes nothing away from what he accomplished as a baseball player.

Poncier

But we know some voters are doing this, just like surly guys with the media have a tougher time than pleasant guys getting votes.

HesCalledDyer

Poncier said:

But we know some voters are doing this, just like surly guys with the media have a tougher time than pleasant guys getting votes.

Yep, it’s extremely unfortunate. 

DewieCox

tempo_n_groove said:

DewieCox said:

tempo_n_groove said:

pjhawks said:

Poncier said:

I would agree.

Pettite skates by on PED's but he used and blamed his father, no way he should get any consideration until the likes of Clemens, Bonds and several others are in. Still can't comprehend why he is given such a pass. Saint Andy my ass.
Halladay may get sympathy votes due to his untimely death, but he really doesn't have the numbers. And Helton will not get in due to the Coors Field factor.

Rivera is a stone cold lock though. Should get at least 95% of the votes, as we know some d-bags won't vote for him so its not unanimous.

here is an article in Philly today about Halladay.  His numbers were superior than almost everyone for a decade. he is definitely Hall worthy.

https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/phillies/roy-halladay-deserves-be-1st-ballot-hall-famer

Roy Halladay deserves to be a 1st-ballot Hall of Famer

By Dan Roche November 20, 2018 9:20 AM

1

Leave a comment

Fans in Philadelphia didn’t get to enjoy Roy Halladay for very long. He had two stellar seasons, followed by two injury-plagued years that ended his playing career.

Halladay died in an aircraft accident one year ago. On Monday, Halladay was named among 35 players on the ballot for the 2019 Baseball Hall of Fame (see story).

Customarily, players have to wait five years for Hall of Fame eligibility. If a player dies, they're eligible six months after their death. There has been one exception to this rule in the last 65 years: Roberto Clemente was inducted in 1973, after dying in a plane crash on Dec. 31, 1972.

There are a handful of worthy names on this year’s ballot. And while Roy Halladay was forced into early retirement at 36, he is a pitcher with virtually no equals during his 15-plus major league seasons.

Halladay's death last year hit the Philadelphia sports community hard. His starts with the Phillies were appointment viewing, the likes of which the city hadn’t seen since Curt Schilling dominated teams in the 1990s.

And although fans in Philadelphia only saw two seasons of Halladay's excellence on the mound, his prime lasted a decade — the 2002 through the 2011 seasons.

Here are Halladay's ranks among all MLB pitchers during that span:

Wins — 170 (1st)

Win percentage — .694 (1st)

Complete Games — 63 (1st - by 30!)

Shutouts — 18 (1st)

K/BB Ratio — 4.57 (1st)

ERA — 2.97 (2nd)

ERA+ — 148 (2nd)

Innings — 2194.2 (2nd)

He also made eight All-Star teams, won two Cy Young Awards and finished in the top 5 in Cy Young voting seven times in that 10-year span.

From the years 1995 through 2017, Halladay has more complete games than any pitcher (67). Here's the thing: Halladay only pitched from 1998 through 2013.

Being the best pitcher in baseball for a season is a feat. Being the best pitcher in baseball for an entire decade is something that is truly special. Remember how great Tim Lincecum was at the start of his career? He also won two Cy Youngs. Lincecum didn't even make it to 10 full seasons in the big leagues before a degenerative hip injury derailed his career.

The end of Roy Halladay's baseball career, and his life, occurred far too soon. Voting him into the Baseball Hall of Fame next year would not be.

Being great for 10 years shouldn't get you in the hall, sorry...

LOL, you realize how ridiculous that sounds?  Not even defending Halladay, but 10 years of greatness is basically what most HoF careers are made up of.

Please direct me to any player that has only around 10 years of playing ball that has made it into the HOF.  You can even google it.

I know off the top of my head 2 and that's Dimaggio and Koufax.

Nobody makes it in off 10 good years.  If that were the case then McGriff, Walker and Martinez would have already be in...

 
10 great years, a few good years at the beginning and end of a career and a couple years of hanging on too long reaching benchmarks is most Hall of Famers.

DewieCox

Sosa shouldn’t sniff the HoF. He was a good player deserving of a few AS nods and maybe an MVP vote here and there til the juice. Nobody was calling they’re guy a HoF til then.

Manny could stroke and was clutch as hell. He’s Hall material without thinking about it.