MLB 2025 Season

tempo_n_groove

igotid88 said:

igotid88 said:

Joe Mauer retires

Speaking of the HOF. I don't think he gets in. But he will get votes and possibly stay on the ballot for awhile.

Cliffy6745 said:

igotid88 said:

Joe Mauer retires

Hell of a career. Saw him play in Binghamton before he made it up back in the day 

He never ever came close to matching his MVP year.  THAT was a monster year.

cutz

tempo_n_groove said:

cutz said:

tempo_n_groove said:

cutz said:

tempo_n_groove said:

cutz said:

tempo_n_groove said:

cutz said:

You don't think ther are players in the HOF who may have played 15-18 years, but only had 7-10 HOF worthy seasons?

That Damon Stat was meant to be silly and to prove a point when you mentioned Biggio's runs scored.

Maybe Don Baylor & Ron Hunt should be in the HOF for all of the HBP they had in their careers>LOL

Not sure exactly how that Algebra WAR Stat works, but does it take in account for base running and defense? Well, Biggio's OPS+ is 112 and Belle's OPS+ is 144 (100 is average from what  i was told as i don't fully understand that Algebra stat either>LOL>But i thought i throw it out ther)

Biggio won GG and had more stolen bases by far than Belle.

Belles OPS should be higher because he had more xtra base hits and is based on On Base and Slugging.  I would expect that.

WAR is Wins Above Replacement.  It's how valuable a player is to a team. It accounts into everything.  It shows the players all around worth.  It's not an end all be all stat but when you look at other all-time greats it makes you see who is who.

What else did Baylor do?

WTH is Ron Hunt?

SB?>"Yawn"    Arlie Latham(yes i had to look him up) is 7th All time in stolen bases and is not in the HOF

WAR is not a concrete stat? Doesn't seem like it is to me.

Baylor mention was a joke because you bought up Biggio's HBP. Same as Ron Hunt who is in the top 10 All time for HBP and probably should be in the HOF>LOL

I'll ask again: You don't think a player who averaged for 12 seasons,  .295 AVG.  40 HR  & 130 RBI's is HOF worthy? 

Answered in order:

I like the SB.  I always have.  It can be very exciting in a game.  Guess you aren't a fan? And again just because that guy is 7th doesn't make him a HOFer.  You are taking things way out of context for the sake of your argument.

You aren't sold on WAR, that's fine.  Just research it a little bit.  Report back.  I did say it is NOT an end all be all but it is impressive.

Again you take a person that did only 1 thing in the stat column and want to lump them in with everyone else for the sake of your argument and that doesn't work.  It's the body of work.  A career.

No.  One is because he didn't avg 40 hr.  If he did he'd have finished w 480 hr not the 380 he actually has.  So you read a stat wrong somewhere.  He avg 31 a year.  If he did have 480 that would be something completely different.

You have to have numbers to back up being let in to the HOF.

Look he was a beast but he isn't Hall worthy...

I like a stolen base if it means something for that game(getting into scoring position). 

Don't think i said i wasn't sold on WAR. Think i said i wasn't sure how WAR Stat works and is not a concrete stat.  Is WAR a judgement stat? 

That mention of Don Baylor & Ron Hunt  was a joke(even said so and with a LOL). And, not arguing. Just discussing. 

I fucked up and forgot to post those numbers for Belle was based on a 162 game Average. Well, considering Belle was a full-time player for 10 full seasons brings that HR avg. to 38 HR/season. RBI's still close to 140. Still a career .295 Avg.  Think those numbers back Belle up to be in the HOF? 

10 years of great does not equal the HOF...  I would put Canseco in if that were the case. First 40/40 man and all.

Does Kirby Puckett belong in the HOF?

Do you want to debate every single player in the HOF?

No he doesn't.

He was LOVED by every baseball writer in America.  That's why he got in.

If you use him as your barometer then Belle gets in but the writers don't love him so he won't make it.

Whom do you want to discuss Hall worthy next?

No

Okay

Yes he was

True

No one

tempo_n_groove

Cliffy6745 said:

Fraud ass Jim rice?

Agree 100%.

His 400 total bases year was another monster.

He gets a bunch of love for saving that kid and also for going into the stands and getting his hat back from a fan. (Google these)

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Cliffy6745 said:

Fraud ass Jim rice?

please explain this

Cliffy6745

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Cliffy6745 said:

Fraud ass Jim rice?

please explain this

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/r/riceji01.shtml

DewieCox

Ron Santo is another head scratcher. Nice player, not HoF. 


I always thought Jim Edmonds deserved more consideration. Elite fielder and some impressive offensive stats. Insane highlight reel. When you have guys like Ozzie Smith and Frank Thomas in, deservedly I might add, somebody like Edmonds that was in the upper tier defensively as well as offensively for a period deserve more love. Had a big effect on how centerfield was played as well. 

tempo_n_groove

DewieCox said:

Ron Santo is another head scratcher. Nice player, not HoF. 


I always thought Jim Edmonds deserved more consideration. Elite fielder and some impressive offensive stats. Insane highlight reel. When you have guys like Ozzie Smith and Frank Thomas in, deservedly I might add, somebody like Edmonds that was in the upper tier defensively as well as offensively for a period deserve more love. Had a big effect on how centerfield was played as well. 

Loved him on the Angels.  Pissed that they let him go...

Solid career and he owned center field.

Poncier

Cliffy6745 said:

Fraud ass Jim rice?

1978 alone gets him in.

tempo_n_groove

Poncier said:

Cliffy6745 said:

Fraud ass Jim rice?

1978 alone gets him in.

Stop it...

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Cliffy6745 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Cliffy6745 said:

Fraud ass Jim rice?

please explain this

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/r/riceji01.shtml

There's worse.

I really liked him.

Cliffy6745

God damn. The Astros had a trade in place for Harper at the deadline

mfc2006

Cliffy6745 said:

God damn. The Astros had a trade in place for Harper at the deadline

I just read that last night. Crazy.

tempo_n_groove

Only fottage I could find of this...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ms34v3hBkM

tempo_n_groove

I would like to see McCutchen stay w the Yanks.

igotid88

tempo_n_groove said:

I would like to see McCutchen stay w the Yanks.

re-signing Gardner kind of put that out of possibility.

Jearlpam0925

This is great: https://deadspin.com/huffy-dopey-cy-young-voter-hangs-up-on-incredibly-chil-1830463044

tempo_n_groove

Jearlpam0925 said:

This is great: https://deadspin.com/huffy-dopey-cy-young-voter-hangs-up-on-incredibly-chil-1830463044

That writer deserved it.

It's like the HOF writers that didn't vote for Griffey, Ripken and the like 100%.  It's ludicrous.

Congrats to DeGrom.  Much deserved.

Wobbie

tempo_n_groove said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

This is great: https://deadspin.com/huffy-dopey-cy-young-voter-hangs-up-on-incredibly-chil-1830463044

That writer deserved it.

It's like the HOF writers that didn't vote for Griffey, Ripken and the like 100%.  It's ludicrous.

it’s like the hypocritical, sanctimonious fucks who voted for bagwell and piazza but won’t vote for bonds.

tempo_n_groove

Wobbie said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

This is great: https://deadspin.com/huffy-dopey-cy-young-voter-hangs-up-on-incredibly-chil-1830463044

That writer deserved it.

It's like the HOF writers that didn't vote for Griffey, Ripken and the like 100%.  It's ludicrous.

it’s like the hypocritical, sanctimonious fucks who voted for bagwell and piazza but won’t vote for bonds.

I agree with that.  I'd vote for Clemens AND Palmiero too.

Poncier

I don't think I'd put Palmeiro in.
First 3 full seasons had HR totals of 8, 8 & 14. That guy was below average before juicing. Plus that finger pointing denial in congress is an indelible image.
Bonds & Clemens were dominant players prior to what we perceive is the start of their juicing. They should be in. Most every player in that era juiced. Some like Griffey just never got caught and the media didn't try and pin it on him cause he was likeable. But when you look at his bell curve of a career stats wise and the way his body broke down, he looks just as guilty as a bash brother.