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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,395
    igotid88 said:
    5000 Ryan and his benchmark for K's
    3000 Clemente  Very good.  I was actually using this as a HOF benchmark.
    500 A HR HOF Benchmark
    300 Sutton? A Pitcher wins benchmark but a good guess.
    130 Henderson steals Yes!
    61 Maris Yes!
    714 Ruth Yes!
    1406 Henderson all time SB
    755 Aaron Yes!
    56 DiMaggio Yes!
    7 Nolan Ryan no hitters Yes!
    511 Cy Young Yes!
    73 Barry Bonds Yes!
    4191 Carlton? Ty Cobb hits but that was a great guess.
    70 Mcgwire Yes!
    4256 Pete Rose hits
    406  I should have done .406  That was Ted Williams final avg after the double header.
    383 Nolan Ryan Ks? Yes!  He beat out Koufax by 1 that year.
    You did really good!
  • MayDay10
    MayDay10 Posts: 11,855
    I saw 3000 and instanly thought Clemente as well.  
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,395
    MayDay10 said:
    I saw 3000 and instanly thought Clemente as well.  
    I forgot that he ended up w exactly 3000.
  • Poncier
    Poncier Posts: 17,893
    MayDay10 said:
    I saw 3000 and instanly thought Clemente as well.  
    I thought of Bernie Mac
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  • DewieCox
    DewieCox Posts: 11,432
    tempo_n_groove said:
    DewieCox said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    Mike Trout is the best baseball player since Bonds
    I agree with this 100%.  I would argue that A-rod could be placed in that category too.
    Pujols
    Was 6 years ago but tailed off big time.

    Bonds and A-rod could have played longer at a high level.
    I just meant since Bonds, who was trailing off similarly til the juice. ARod has the talent but hard to quantify what he would’ve done without it. Pujols was the best offensive player for a decade, will end up with over 700 hr and .300 ba. Doubtful Bonds or ARod reach that plateau without roids. 
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,395
    DewieCox said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    DewieCox said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    Mike Trout is the best baseball player since Bonds
    I agree with this 100%.  I would argue that A-rod could be placed in that category too.
    Pujols
    Was 6 years ago but tailed off big time.

    Bonds and A-rod could have played longer at a high level.
    I just meant since Bonds, who was trailing off similarly til the juice. ARod has the talent but hard to quantify what he would’ve done without it. Pujols was the best offensive player for a decade, will end up with over 700 hr and .300 ba. Doubtful Bonds or ARod reach that plateau without roids. 
    That is tough to argue about PED's...

    I will say this about Bonds and Arod, they were the best two players I have ever seen swing a bat with my own two eyes.  Pujols is third on that list with Thomas 4th.

    You could make an argument of connecting the dots or which one of these is not like the other but I still put Pujols third.  He was doing what Frank Thomas, Bonds and Arod, did year after year. 100r, 100rbi, 30hr, 300avg and 100w.  Crazy output.

    You put these 4 players and look at their first 10-12 years and it's unbelievable.  Just to think that Trout is still off the mark is just amazing because he is a beast.
  • igotid88
    igotid88 Posts: 28,639
    tempo_n_groove said:
    igotid88 said:
    5000 Ryan and his benchmark for K's
    3000 Clemente  Very good.  I was actually using this as a HOF benchmark.
    500 A HR HOF Benchmark
    300 Sutton? A Pitcher wins benchmark but a good guess.
    130 Henderson steals Yes!
    61 Maris Yes!
    714 Ruth Yes!
    1406 Henderson all time SB
    755 Aaron Yes!
    56 DiMaggio Yes!
    7 Nolan Ryan no hitters Yes!
    511 Cy Young Yes!
    73 Barry Bonds Yes!
    4191 Carlton? Ty Cobb hits but that was a great guess.
    70 Mcgwire Yes!
    4256 Pete Rose hits
    406  I should have done .406  That was Ted Williams final avg after the double header.
    383 Nolan Ryan Ks? Yes!  He beat out Koufax by 1 that year.
    You did really good!
    I should have gotten Pete Rose and Henderson career numbers. I was stumped on 300, 500, and 5000 (i guess 3000 also) as I thought it was specific player accomplishments.
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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,395
    igotid88 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    igotid88 said:
    5000 Ryan and his benchmark for K's
    3000 Clemente  Very good.  I was actually using this as a HOF benchmark.
    500 A HR HOF Benchmark
    300 Sutton? A Pitcher wins benchmark but a good guess.
    130 Henderson steals Yes!
    61 Maris Yes!
    714 Ruth Yes!
    1406 Henderson all time SB
    755 Aaron Yes!
    56 DiMaggio Yes!
    7 Nolan Ryan no hitters Yes!
    511 Cy Young Yes!
    73 Barry Bonds Yes!
    4191 Carlton? Ty Cobb hits but that was a great guess.
    70 Mcgwire Yes!
    4256 Pete Rose hits
    406  I should have done .406  That was Ted Williams final avg after the double header.
    383 Nolan Ryan Ks? Yes!  He beat out Koufax by 1 that year.
    You did really good!
    I should have gotten Pete Rose and Henderson career numbers. I was stumped on 300, 500, and 5000 (i guess 3000 also) as I thought it was specific player accomplishments.
    It was my lame attempt at a segue to show how baseball is a numbers thing...
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,028
    edited November 2018
    Did Aaron Judge not play this last season or am I missing something?!?!

    http://www.espn.com/mlb/stats/batting/_/seasontype/2/sort/OPS

    Edit: Damn, apparently he didn't qualify.
    Post edited by Cliffy6745 on
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,395
    Cliffy6745 said:
    Did Aaron Judge not play this last season or am I missing something?!?!

    http://www.espn.com/mlb/stats/batting/_/seasontype/2/sort/OPS

    Edit: Damn, apparently he didn't qualify.
    I get angry at the Angels every time I see how low Trout's RBI totals are...
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,028
    Anyone have a cliff notes version of what Bill James did/said that has everyone's panties in a bunch?
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,395
    Cliffy6745 said:
    Anyone have a cliff notes version of what Bill James did/said that has everyone's panties in a bunch?
    He believes that everyone is replaceable.

    Metrics baby!

    MAGA

    Metrics Are Great Again!!!
  • HesCalledDyer
    HesCalledDyer Maryland Posts: 16,491
    Metrics are ruining the game. What ever happened to making gut calls?  Everything is based off fuckin spreadsheets with a bunch of theoretical numbers that don't prove squat.
    Star Lake 00 / Pittsburgh 03 / State College 03 / Bristow 03 / Cleveland 06 / Camden II 06 / DC 08 / Pittsburgh 13 / Baltimore 13 / Charlottesville 13 / Cincinnati 14 / St. Paul 14 / Hampton 16 / Wrigley I 16 / Wrigley II 16 / Baltimore 20 / Camden 22 / Baltimore 24 / Raleigh I 25 / Raleigh II 25 / Pittsburgh I 25
  • igotid88
    igotid88 Posts: 28,639
    HesCalledDyer said:
    Metrics are ruining the game. What ever happened to making gut calls?  Everything is based off fuckin spreadsheets with a bunch of theoretical numbers that don't prove squat.
    it does work for a long season. That's why the Dodgers were able to make the World Series the last 2 years. But they should allow managers to make gut calls in short playoff series. Yankees stuck to a script and got eliminated. The Dodgers stuck to a script and lost the WS twice because of it
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  • HesCalledDyer
    HesCalledDyer Maryland Posts: 16,491
    Yeah, I get using them a scouting report (as I believe they are intended), but it shouldn't be your every decision maker.  A computer spits out numbers, its up to us to figure out how to interpret those numbers and what to do with them.  Control the metrics, don't let the metrics control you.
    Star Lake 00 / Pittsburgh 03 / State College 03 / Bristow 03 / Cleveland 06 / Camden II 06 / DC 08 / Pittsburgh 13 / Baltimore 13 / Charlottesville 13 / Cincinnati 14 / St. Paul 14 / Hampton 16 / Wrigley I 16 / Wrigley II 16 / Baltimore 20 / Camden 22 / Baltimore 24 / Raleigh I 25 / Raleigh II 25 / Pittsburgh I 25
  • markymark550
    markymark550 Columbia, SC Posts: 5,217
    edited November 2018
    For that numbers list, I believe you'll have to lower the 300 wins bemchmark for a pitcher. The game now isn't conducive to pitchers accumulating lots of wins.
  • Poncier
    Poncier Posts: 17,893
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    Did Aaron Judge not play this last season or am I missing something?!?!

    http://www.espn.com/mlb/stats/batting/_/seasontype/2/sort/OPS

    Edit: Damn, apparently he didn't qualify.
    I get angry at the Angels every time I see how low Trout's RBI totals are...
    They're respectable….for a leadoff hitter.
    This weekend we rock Portland
  • igotid88
    igotid88 Posts: 28,639
    HesCalledDyer said:
    Yeah, I get using them a scouting report (as I believe they are intended), but it shouldn't be your every decision maker.  A computer spits out numbers, its up to us to figure out how to interpret those numbers and what to do with them.  Control the metrics, don't let the metrics control you.
    it goes way beyond scouting reports. There's spin rates, launch angles, rotations on a pitch. Not believing in giving up outs. They'd rather you strike out than bunt a guy over. So many things we're not thinking about. It's more than "this guy can't hit lefties".
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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,395
    markymark550 said:
    For that numbers list, I believe you'll have to lower the 300 wins bemchmark for a pitcher. The game now isn't conducive to pitchers accumulating lots of wins.
    Yes, 200-225 now.
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,395
    Poncier said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    Did Aaron Judge not play this last season or am I missing something?!?!

    http://www.espn.com/mlb/stats/batting/_/seasontype/2/sort/OPS

    Edit: Damn, apparently he didn't qualify.
    I get angry at the Angels every time I see how low Trout's RBI totals are...
    They're respectable….for a leadoff hitter.
    The Angels spent all that money on Pujols and I was happy at first but his numbers have been just ok.  His OBP has dropped 100 points, runs,Rbi's, HR, all lower since joining the Angels.  That is WITH having the best player in the world on the same team as him.

    You'd think that they could adjust the lineup a little?  Is Pujols too slow to put in front of Trout, is that the reasoning?

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