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  • DewieCox
    DewieCox Posts: 11,432
    When is Frank Thomas eligible? He is about as assumed clean as they're gonna get as far as HoF shoe-ins from that era. If he doesn't get in, I dunno how you can put anybody in.
  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Consensus seems to be that Larkin will be the only one to get in tonight. Thoughts? This Bagwell shit is annoying, the dude is being disqualified because of his fucking age essentially.

    I hope mcgwire, bonds, and clemens start getting more votes. They should all get in.

    Only steriod guy I don't want to see is palmeiro. Douche and he wasn't good enough
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,026
    imalive wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Consensus seems to be that Larkin will be the only one to get in tonight. Thoughts? This Bagwell shit is annoying, the dude is being disqualified because of his fucking age essentially.
    you mean the age in which he played? :?

    Well yeah, that kind of goes hand in hand with his age. Writers just assume he was on roids because of when he played and his numbers without a single ounce of evidence. It's bullshit. If you don't want to vote for someone because of steroids, fine, but at least have some fucking evidence.
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,026
    The Fixer wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Consensus seems to be that Larkin will be the only one to get in tonight. Thoughts? This Bagwell shit is annoying, the dude is being disqualified because of his fucking age essentially.

    I hope mcgwire, bonds, and clemens start getting more votes. They should all get in.

    Only steriod guy I don't want to see is palmeiro. Douche and he wasn't good enough

    Agree completely. Palmeiro isn't a hall of famer as it is. All should be in.
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,026
    DewieCox wrote:
    When is Frank Thomas eligible? He is about as assumed clean as they're gonna get as far as HoF shoe-ins from that era. If he doesn't get in, I dunno how you can put anybody in.

    Next year maybe. I think most of the steroid guys hit the ballot next year. Frank Thomas is a first ballot, no doubt.
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,026
    2 years/$14 mil for Coco Crisp, which is a raise over his last contract when he was fucking horrible. I don't get Billy Beane, he'll make great moves and terrible moves.
  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    2 years/$14 mil for Coco Crisp, which is a raise over his last contract when he was fucking horrible. I don't get Billy Beane, he'll make great moves and terrible moves.

    I think the O's moving jones to atl was contingent on them signing crisp. so this is good news for the phils
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,026
    The Fixer wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    2 years/$14 mil for Coco Crisp, which is a raise over his last contract when he was fucking horrible. I don't get Billy Beane, he'll make great moves and terrible moves.

    I think the O's moving jones to atl was contingent on them signing crisp. so this is good news for the phils

    I meant to comment on when you said that earlier. That would have been a horrible trade. I also read that the O's were asking for Hanson and wouldn't do Jair/Prado
  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    The Fixer wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Consensus seems to be that Larkin will be the only one to get in tonight. Thoughts? This Bagwell shit is annoying, the dude is being disqualified because of his fucking age essentially.

    I hope mcgwire, bonds, and clemens start getting more votes. They should all get in.

    Only steriod guy I don't want to see is palmeiro. Douche and he wasn't good enough

    Agree completely. Palmeiro isn't a hall of famer as it is. All should be in.

    sosa shouldn't get in either. forgot about him.
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,026
    The Fixer wrote:

    sosa shouldn't get in either. forgot about him.

    Agreed, he is a complete fraud
  • pureoc
    pureoc Posts: 2,383
    None of the Roids guys should get in, since integrity is a criteria for getting in. Taking steroids is an automatic disqualifier.
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  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,026
    pureoc wrote:
    None of the Roids guys should get in, since integrity is a criteria for getting in. Taking steroids is an automatic disqualifier.

    So how about Ty Cobb?

    Or Hank Aaron for that matter, he admitted to taking greenies.
  • Indifference71
    Indifference71 Chicago Posts: 14,911
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    DewieCox wrote:
    When is Frank Thomas eligible? He is about as assumed clean as they're gonna get as far as HoF shoe-ins from that era. If he doesn't get in, I dunno how you can put anybody in.

    Next year maybe. I think most of the steroid guys hit the ballot next year. Frank Thomas is a first ballot, no doubt.


    He's eligible in 2014....well, that's according to wikipedia. Big Frank is a no doubt, first ballot Hall of Famer. As a lifelong White Sox fan, that is a trip I may have to make out to Cooperstown to see him go in. His numbers in the 90s are just ridiculous. I always wonder how he would have finished the 94 season if there wasn't a stike. He was hitting .353 w/ 38 HR and 101 RBI after 113 games.
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,026
    Torre is leaving his MLB position to join a Dodgers ownership group.
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    6 weeks until pitchers and catchers start reporting.
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  • Monster Rain
    Monster Rain Posts: 1,415
    2014 is a pretty good class of guys on the ballot for the first time. Maddux, Glavine, Thomas, Mussina, and Kent are all on the ballot that year. All 5 of them could/should get in eventually. Maddux, Glavine, and Thomas are probably getting in that year. Kent may have to wait because he was a jerk and Mussina might have to wait because his win total is under 300 but he was among the best of his era. He was in the Top 5 in wins 7 times (including leading the league with 19 in the strike-shortened 1995 season an dfinishing 2nd in the league 3 times, which includes his 20-win season in his final year). He was in the Top 10 in ERA 11 times, Top 10 in WHIP 12 times (10 of those saeasons being in the Top 5), was in the Top 10 in strikeouts 10 times (and is 19th all-time with 2,813), was in the Top 5 in shutouts 8 times (including leading the league in 1995), was a 5-time All-star, and won 7 Gold Gloves.
    Indifference71 wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    DewieCox wrote:
    When is Frank Thomas eligible? He is about as assumed clean as they're gonna get as far as HoF shoe-ins from that era. If he doesn't get in, I dunno how you can put anybody in.

    Next year maybe. I think most of the steroid guys hit the ballot next year. Frank Thomas is a first ballot, no doubt.


    He's eligible in 2014....well, that's according to wikipedia. Big Frank is a no doubt, first ballot Hall of Famer. As a lifelong White Sox fan, that is a trip I may have to make out to Cooperstown to see him go in. His numbers in the 90s are just ridiculous. I always wonder how he would have finished the 94 season if there wasn't a stike. He was hitting .353 w/ 38 HR and 101 RBI after 113 games.
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,026
    I am a big advocate of Moose being a hall of famer, but I don't think he'll get it. Johnny Damon of all people made the point that he racked up all those numbers pitching against the Blue Jays championship teams, then the Yankees dynasty then the Red Sox 2 titles. I thought that was a really good point.
  • DewieCox
    DewieCox Posts: 11,432
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    I am a big advocate of Moose being a hall of famer, but I don't think he'll get it. Johnny Damon of all people made the point that he racked up all those numbers pitching against the Blue Jays championship teams, then the Yankees dynasty then the Red Sox 2 titles. I thought that was a really good point.

    What was his point?
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,026
    DewieCox wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    I am a big advocate of Moose being a hall of famer, but I don't think he'll get it. Johnny Damon of all people made the point that he racked up all those numbers pitching against the Blue Jays championship teams, then the Yankees dynasty then the Red Sox 2 titles. I thought that was a really good point.

    What was his point?

    That Mussina had such great seasons and racked up outstanding numbers while being in the same division as some of the games best teams, over an extended period of time and having to face them regularly. They are already hall of fame numbers but then much of them came against those teams. I thought it was interesting.
  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    I am a big advocate of Moose being a hall of famer, but I don't think he'll get it. Johnny Damon of all people made the point that he racked up all those numbers pitching against the Blue Jays championship teams, then the Yankees dynasty then the Red Sox 2 titles. I thought that was a really good point.

    I don't think mussina is a HOFer.

    I don't think omar vizquel is a HOFer.

    Glavine will get in, but I always thought he pitched like a mary. everything on the outer half. he used to get calls a foot off the plate. if they had quest tech during his entire career he would have been ted lilly.

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