it's kind of hard to have a respectable Hall of Fame for baseball when the all time hits leader, all time home run leader and the pitcher with the most Cy Young awards aren't included.
hard for me to get real pumped up about barry larkin.
plus..........you'll get (or already have) juicers in the HOF. they just happened to not get caught.
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Would Babe Ruth have put up the same numbers if the league were integrated?
Would Hank Aaron have put up the numbers without Greenies? Schmidt?
Would Gaylord Perry be in the HOF without the spitball?
Was Ty Cobb a racist asshole?
What about the 154 game season?
The best players in a game shouldn't get in a Hall Of Fame because of their personality?
i don't even know what greenies is ...
i would say all those guys played within the context of the game at the time ... i am pretty sure taking PEDs was not considered acceptable ...
and again - I didn't say being an asshole should prevent someone from getting in ... only that because of that - i am happy they aren't in ... by admitting them into the HOF, it basically says that it's ok to cheat and to lie and to bully and to basically disrespect the sport, it's players and the fans ... but hey - put up numbers and that's all that matters ... but that's just me ...
Greenies are stimulants, an artificial advantage if I say so myself. Steroids of their time, I'd dare say.
No one knows who exactly took steroids and didn't, all we know is who the best players were. A hall of famer said he knows for a fact that there is already a juicer in the Hall of Fame. There is so much gray area. Where is the line drawn on what is a PED and what isn't?
I guess I just look at is entertainment. Do I like a player more if he is a good guy? Probably, but I don't watch the sport knowing these guys are saints, they are athletes.
And how is a spit ball in the context of the game? It was banned then and it is banned now.
A hall of famer said he knows for a fact that there is already a juicer in the Hall of Fame.
rickey???
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Greenies are stimulants, an artificial advantage if I say so myself. Steroids of their time, I'd dare say.
No one knows who exactly took steroids and didn't, all we know is who the best players were. A hall of famer said he knows for a fact that there is already a juicer in the Hall of Fame. There is so much gray area. Where is the line drawn on what is a PED and what isn't?
I guess I just look at is entertainment. Do I like a player more if he is a good guy? Probably, but I don't watch the sport knowing these guys are saints, they are athletes.
i think we can safely say we know who did amongst those we are discussing for the HOF: Bonds, Clemens, etc... I would say anything that is banned by WADA at the time would count ... for sure, there is grey area but is the solution to just let people in even tho you know they cheated? ...
sure sport is entertainment but at the same time - i loathe the idea that people who not only cheated (and i get it - there are millions of dollars here ... maybe if I was put in that position, I would cheat too) but it's the shit after that gets me ... it's why i can't stand AROD ... the lying, the bullying, the lawyers ... hate seeing guys rewarded for that stuff is all ...
if a guy like petite gets in ... i'd be like ... ok - whatever but Bonds!? ... fuck that guy ...
Greenies are stimulants, an artificial advantage if I say so myself. Steroids of their time, I'd dare say.
No one knows who exactly took steroids and didn't, all we know is who the best players were. A hall of famer said he knows for a fact that there is already a juicer in the Hall of Fame. There is so much gray area. Where is the line drawn on what is a PED and what isn't?
I guess I just look at is entertainment. Do I like a player more if he is a good guy? Probably, but I don't watch the sport knowing these guys are saints, they are athletes.
i think we can safely say we know who did amongst those we are discussing for the HOF: Bonds, Clemens, etc... I would say anything that is banned by WADA at the time would count ... for sure, there is grey area but is the solution to just let people in even tho you know they cheated? ...
sure sport is entertainment but at the same time - i loathe the idea that people who not only cheated (and i get it - there are millions of dollars here ... maybe if I was put in that position, I would cheat too) but it's the shit after that gets me ... it's why i can't stand AROD ... the lying, the bullying, the lawyers ... hate seeing guys rewarded for that stuff is all ...
if a guy like petite gets in ... i'd be like ... ok - whatever but Bonds!? ... fuck that guy ...
But can you safely assume who took steroids? Just because they are big powerful guys and have been linked to them? That is absurd. So we should just say, we don't think this guy did, but we think this guy did? So if someone wasn't an idiot or got their steroids from a guy who didn't get arrested they should get a pass? The best players are the best players. If you get caught now, that's on you. There was no testing at the time. Yes, the solution is to let the best of the best in. Gaylord Perry is in, Hank Aaron is in. They both knowingly broke the rules. That means they are cheaters. There are many others.
But can you safely assume who took steroids? Just because they are big powerful guys and have been linked to them? That is absurd. So we should just say, we don't think this guy did, but we think this guy did? So if someone wasn't an idiot or got their steroids from a guy who didn't get arrested they should get a pass? The best players are the best players. If you get caught now, that's on you. There was no testing at the time. Yes, the solution is to let the best of the best in. Gaylord Perry is in, Hank Aaron is in. They both knowingly broke the rules. That means they are cheaters. There are many others.
we know clemens and bonds took them ... bonds has admitted it except he claims he didn't know it was PED ... either way - your recent article touched on it ... there are players one can say wasn't doing them ... do we know for certain - no ... but you go with what you got ...
i'm simply not interested in rewarding someone I know cheated ... these guys are like OJ as far as i'm concerned ... got away with it ... but definitely, the fact they are assholes adds to it ... i hate seeing assholes rewarded ... consider it a pet peeve ...
But can you safely assume who took steroids? Just because they are big powerful guys and have been linked to them? That is absurd. So we should just say, we don't think this guy did, but we think this guy did? So if someone wasn't an idiot or got their steroids from a guy who didn't get arrested they should get a pass? The best players are the best players. If you get caught now, that's on you. There was no testing at the time. Yes, the solution is to let the best of the best in. Gaylord Perry is in, Hank Aaron is in. They both knowingly broke the rules. That means they are cheaters. There are many others.
we know clemens and bonds took them ... bonds has admitted it except he claims he didn't know it was PED ... either way - your recent article touched on it ... there are players one can say wasn't doing them ... do we know for certain - no ... but you go with what you got ...
i'm simply not interested in rewarding someone I know cheated ... these guys are like OJ as far as i'm concerned ... got away with it ... but definitely, the fact they are assholes adds to it ... i hate seeing assholes rewarded ... consider it a pet peeve ...
Dude, OJ murdered two people. These guys stuck needles in their asses.
But they were the best players and we have no idea what percentage of players they were playing against were also cheating. That is baseballs fault. Shitty players were also juicing.
Edit: Also, baseball had no real rules. There was no way for them to get caught or policed. That is very much different than a murdered who gets off, if we want to compare homicide to steroids.
[Dude, OJ murdered two people. These guys stuck needles in their asses.
But they were the best players and we have no idea what percentage of players they were playing against were also cheating. That is baseballs fault. Shitty players were also juicing.
Also, baseball had no real rules. There was no way for them to get caught or policed. That is very much different than a murdered who gets off.
dude ... i know that ... i'm just saying the notion that it's not been proven out means nothing ... we all knew lance took drugs before it was proven out as well ...
your reasoning works fine if you think the majority of players were juicing at the time ... hence my initial question ... if that's the case - then there might be an argument there ... but i don't necessarily believe that ... i do believe there were a lot of above-average players that didn't likely juice and who might be in the same level if they had but they didn't ... they are never gonna enter the HOF ...
if a guy like petite gets in ... i'd be like ... ok - whatever but Bonds!? ... fuck that guy ...
That's basically opposite of logic imo. I dunno if I'd call Pettite a lock to get in and if he does, I'd say the juice gave him enough of a bump to get him the numbers to get the votes. Barry Bonds was a first ballot HoF before his head started to swell and he hit 73 homers. I think the Bonds is a prick mindset is overblown, b/c he was a jerk to the wrong people. He hasn't thrown anybody under the bus or brought anybody down with him.
[Dude, OJ murdered two people. These guys stuck needles in their asses.
But they were the best players and we have no idea what percentage of players they were playing against were also cheating. That is baseballs fault. Shitty players were also juicing.
Also, baseball had no real rules. There was no way for them to get caught or policed. That is very much different than a murdered who gets off.
dude ... i know that ... i'm just saying the notion that it's not been proven out means nothing ... we all knew lance took drugs before it was proven out as well ...
your reasoning works fine if you think the majority of players were juicing at the time ... hence my initial question ... if that's the case - then there might be an argument there ... but i don't necessarily believe that ... i do believe there were a lot of above-average players that didn't likely juice and who might be in the same level if they had but they didn't ... they are never gonna enter the HOF ...
But how do you figure that? What is that assumption based on? There are more people who have come out saying the majority of players were juicing than vice versa. I am not going to pretend I know who was and who wasn't, all I know is that the best players are the best players. MLB made this bed, not the players.
if a guy like petite gets in ... i'd be like ... ok - whatever but Bonds!? ... fuck that guy ...
That's basically opposite of logic imo. I dunno if I'd call Pettite a lock to get in and if he does, I'd say the juice gave him enough of a bump to get him the numbers to get the votes. Barry Bonds was a first ballot HoF before his head started to swell and he hit 73 homers. I think the Bonds is a prick mindset is overblown, b/c he was a jerk to the wrong people. He hasn't thrown anybody under the bus or brought anybody down with him.
Bonds was angry at the world, it came from his dad. He hated the media. That doesn't help. But yeah, if we believe the reports that Bonds started juicing when he was jealous of McGwire and Sosa, then yeah, he was a HOFer before roids. Again that is a big assumption, so just let the best players in.
Pettitte isn't getting in. Hall Of Damn Good, not Hall Of Fame.
Edit: I would agree with you more about the marginal players who get in and the impact. THat is a much bigger question than Bonds who is probably the best baseball player any of us have ever seen, outside some of the old heads around here
That's basically opposite of logic imo. I dunno if I'd call Pettite a lock to get in and if he does, I'd say the juice gave him enough of a bump to get him the numbers to get the votes. Barry Bonds was a first ballot HoF before his head started to swell and he hit 73 homers. I think the Bonds is a prick mindset is overblown, b/c he was a jerk to the wrong people. He hasn't thrown anybody under the bus or brought anybody down with him.
i just threw out a name of a guy who we know juiced ... i don't know if he should get in ... my point is simply that i don't like assholes and don't like to see them get rewarded for it ...
i think if bonds wasn't an asshole - he would come clean and tell the truth ... but he didn't ... so fuck em ...
But how do you figure that? What is that assumption based on? There are more people who have come out saying the majority of players were juicing than vice versa. I am not going to pretend I know who was and who wasn't, all I know is that the best players are the best players. MLB made this bed, not the players.
truthfully, i dunno who said what and what the consensus is on the percentage that cheated ... again, hence my initial question ... i don't think it was like cycling where it was the majority ... even in that instance - i still hate lance ... it really boils down to who they are for me ... i agree that MLB is to blame for sure and that they made billions of dollars on these guys ...
but at the end of the day ... cheating always comes down to this ... what about the guy who didn't!? ... no million dollar endorsements, no HOF, no Pineterest account ... i just don't like the idea of these guys getting rewarded when they've already reaped the benefits through contracts and endorsements ...
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Yasiel Puig has been arrested for reckless driving for a second time this year.
Dodgers outfielder Yasiel Puig was arrested Saturday morning on a reckless driving charge in Florida, reports the Naples Daily News. He was driving 110 mph on the Alligator Alley section of I-75 according to a Florida Highway Patrol spokesman. The speed limit is 70 mph.
According to the Daily News, Puig was driving a 2013 Mercedes westbound near mile marker 99. Alligator Alley (otherwise known as the Everglades Parkway) runs east-west from Naples to Fort Lauderdale and is prone to speeding because the road is flat and straight. The Dodgers have not yet commented on the arrest.
Puig, 23, had reckless driving and speeding charges dismissed in Tennessee last month after serving 12 hours of community service. He was caught going 97 mph in a 50 mph zone back in April, when he was with the team's Double-A affiliate in Chattanooga. Puig was reportedly serving as a designated driver at the time.
Puig hit .319 with 19 home runs in 104 games for the Dodgers in 2013. He finished second in the NL Rookie of the Year voting.
Yasiel Puig has been arrested for reckless driving for a second time this year.
Dodgers outfielder Yasiel Puig was arrested Saturday morning on a reckless driving charge in Florida, reports the Naples Daily News. He was driving 110 mph on the Alligator Alley section of I-75 according to a Florida Highway Patrol spokesman. The speed limit is 70 mph.
According to the Daily News, Puig was driving a 2013 Mercedes westbound near mile marker 99. Alligator Alley (otherwise known as the Everglades Parkway) runs east-west from Naples to Fort Lauderdale and is prone to speeding because the road is flat and straight. The Dodgers have not yet commented on the arrest.
Puig, 23, had reckless driving and speeding charges dismissed in Tennessee last month after serving 12 hours of community service. He was caught going 97 mph in a 50 mph zone back in April, when he was with the team's Double-A affiliate in Chattanooga. Puig was reportedly serving as a designated driver at the time.
Puig hit .319 with 19 home runs in 104 games for the Dodgers in 2013. He finished second in the NL Rookie of the Year voting.
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So happy for the Big Hurt. I worshiped him growing up in the 90s. One of the great hitters of all time. The numbers he put up in the 90s are insane. It's still a damn shame he couldn't finish the 94 season because of the strike....his numbers up to that point were just ridiculous.
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hard for me to get real pumped up about barry larkin.
plus..........you'll get (or already have) juicers in the HOF. they just happened to not get caught.
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Greenies are stimulants, an artificial advantage if I say so myself. Steroids of their time, I'd dare say.
No one knows who exactly took steroids and didn't, all we know is who the best players were. A hall of famer said he knows for a fact that there is already a juicer in the Hall of Fame. There is so much gray area. Where is the line drawn on what is a PED and what isn't?
I guess I just look at is entertainment. Do I like a player more if he is a good guy? Probably, but I don't watch the sport knowing these guys are saints, they are athletes.
And how is a spit ball in the context of the game? It was banned then and it is banned now.
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-hall ... t-problem/
rickey???
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i think we can safely say we know who did amongst those we are discussing for the HOF: Bonds, Clemens, etc... I would say anything that is banned by WADA at the time would count ... for sure, there is grey area but is the solution to just let people in even tho you know they cheated? ...
sure sport is entertainment but at the same time - i loathe the idea that people who not only cheated (and i get it - there are millions of dollars here ... maybe if I was put in that position, I would cheat too) but it's the shit after that gets me ... it's why i can't stand AROD ... the lying, the bullying, the lawyers ... hate seeing guys rewarded for that stuff is all ...
if a guy like petite gets in ... i'd be like ... ok - whatever but Bonds!? ... fuck that guy ...
But can you safely assume who took steroids? Just because they are big powerful guys and have been linked to them? That is absurd. So we should just say, we don't think this guy did, but we think this guy did? So if someone wasn't an idiot or got their steroids from a guy who didn't get arrested they should get a pass? The best players are the best players. If you get caught now, that's on you. There was no testing at the time. Yes, the solution is to let the best of the best in. Gaylord Perry is in, Hank Aaron is in. They both knowingly broke the rules. That means they are cheaters. There are many others.
we know clemens and bonds took them ... bonds has admitted it except he claims he didn't know it was PED ... either way - your recent article touched on it ... there are players one can say wasn't doing them ... do we know for certain - no ... but you go with what you got ...
i'm simply not interested in rewarding someone I know cheated ... these guys are like OJ as far as i'm concerned ... got away with it ... but definitely, the fact they are assholes adds to it ... i hate seeing assholes rewarded ... consider it a pet peeve ...
Dude, OJ murdered two people. These guys stuck needles in their asses.
But they were the best players and we have no idea what percentage of players they were playing against were also cheating. That is baseballs fault. Shitty players were also juicing.
Edit: Also, baseball had no real rules. There was no way for them to get caught or policed. That is very much different than a murdered who gets off, if we want to compare homicide to steroids.
dude ... i know that ... i'm just saying the notion that it's not been proven out means nothing ... we all knew lance took drugs before it was proven out as well ...
your reasoning works fine if you think the majority of players were juicing at the time ... hence my initial question ... if that's the case - then there might be an argument there ... but i don't necessarily believe that ... i do believe there were a lot of above-average players that didn't likely juice and who might be in the same level if they had but they didn't ... they are never gonna enter the HOF ...
That's basically opposite of logic imo. I dunno if I'd call Pettite a lock to get in and if he does, I'd say the juice gave him enough of a bump to get him the numbers to get the votes. Barry Bonds was a first ballot HoF before his head started to swell and he hit 73 homers. I think the Bonds is a prick mindset is overblown, b/c he was a jerk to the wrong people. He hasn't thrown anybody under the bus or brought anybody down with him.
But how do you figure that? What is that assumption based on? There are more people who have come out saying the majority of players were juicing than vice versa. I am not going to pretend I know who was and who wasn't, all I know is that the best players are the best players. MLB made this bed, not the players.
Bonds was angry at the world, it came from his dad. He hated the media. That doesn't help. But yeah, if we believe the reports that Bonds started juicing when he was jealous of McGwire and Sosa, then yeah, he was a HOFer before roids. Again that is a big assumption, so just let the best players in.
Pettitte isn't getting in. Hall Of Damn Good, not Hall Of Fame.
Edit: I would agree with you more about the marginal players who get in and the impact. THat is a much bigger question than Bonds who is probably the best baseball player any of us have ever seen, outside some of the old heads around here
i just threw out a name of a guy who we know juiced ... i don't know if he should get in ... my point is simply that i don't like assholes and don't like to see them get rewarded for it ...
i think if bonds wasn't an asshole - he would come clean and tell the truth ... but he didn't ... so fuck em ...
truthfully, i dunno who said what and what the consensus is on the percentage that cheated ... again, hence my initial question ... i don't think it was like cycling where it was the majority ... even in that instance - i still hate lance ... it really boils down to who they are for me ... i agree that MLB is to blame for sure and that they made billions of dollars on these guys ...
but at the end of the day ... cheating always comes down to this ... what about the guy who didn't!? ... no million dollar endorsements, no HOF, no Pineterest account ... i just don't like the idea of these guys getting rewarded when they've already reaped the benefits through contracts and endorsements ...
http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/10173 ... e#comments
Yasiel Puig has been arrested for reckless driving for a second time this year.
Dodgers outfielder Yasiel Puig was arrested Saturday morning on a reckless driving charge in Florida, reports the Naples Daily News. He was driving 110 mph on the Alligator Alley section of I-75 according to a Florida Highway Patrol spokesman. The speed limit is 70 mph.
According to the Daily News, Puig was driving a 2013 Mercedes westbound near mile marker 99. Alligator Alley (otherwise known as the Everglades Parkway) runs east-west from Naples to Fort Lauderdale and is prone to speeding because the road is flat and straight. The Dodgers have not yet commented on the arrest.
Puig, 23, had reckless driving and speeding charges dismissed in Tennessee last month after serving 12 hours of community service. He was caught going 97 mph in a 50 mph zone back in April, when he was with the team's Double-A affiliate in Chattanooga. Puig was reportedly serving as a designated driver at the time.
Puig hit .319 with 19 home runs in 104 games for the Dodgers in 2013. He finished second in the NL Rookie of the Year voting.
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Pretty awesome it was a name as big as his. Well done, Deadspin.
Also, as pointed out in the comments. bbwaa@aol.com. Hysterical
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yeah but arod is a bitch tit
Bye A-Rod. Never liked you anyway.
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