Looks good. Sometimes movie makers have to make movies and take liberties to make them entertaining.
I think the retrospective consensus is that the early 00's A's were great because of 3 things: Hudson, Mulder & Zito. It's amusing that this fact is shrouded behind the Moneyball curtain.
Spectrum 10/27/09; New Orleans JazzFest 5/1/10; Made in America 9/2/12; WF Center 10/21/13; WF Center 10/22/13; Baltimore 10/27/13; WF Center 4/28/16; WF Center 4/29/16; Fenway Park 8/7/16; Fenway Park 9/2/18; Asbury Park 9/18/21; Camden 9/14/22; Las Vegas 5/16/24; Las Vegas 5/18/24; WF Center 9/7/24; WF Center 9/9/24; Baltimore Arena 9/12/24
Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/16
Looks good. Sometimes movie makers have to make movies and take liberties to make them entertaining.
I think the retrospective consensus is that the early 00's A's were great because of 3 things: Hudson, Mulder & Zito. It's amusing that this fact is shrouded behind the Moneyball curtain.
I certainly think those three were a huge part of their success but you can't deny that Beane and the A's changed the way front offices think and operate.
Looks good. Sometimes movie makers have to make movies and take liberties to make them entertaining.
I think the retrospective consensus is that the early 00's A's were great because of 3 things: Hudson, Mulder & Zito. It's amusing that this fact is shrouded behind the Moneyball curtain.
I certainly think those three were a huge part of their success but you can't deny that Beane and the A's changed the way front offices think and operate.
Yeah. Like my bro-in-law in CO after they traded Ubaldo was really defending it. Saying "we got all their best pitching prospects." I have a feeling he's right.
Spectrum 10/27/09; New Orleans JazzFest 5/1/10; Made in America 9/2/12; WF Center 10/21/13; WF Center 10/22/13; Baltimore 10/27/13; WF Center 4/28/16; WF Center 4/29/16; Fenway Park 8/7/16; Fenway Park 9/2/18; Asbury Park 9/18/21; Camden 9/14/22; Las Vegas 5/16/24; Las Vegas 5/18/24; WF Center 9/7/24; WF Center 9/9/24; Baltimore Arena 9/12/24
Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/16
Yeah. Like my bro-in-law in CO after they traded Ubaldo was really defending it. Saying "we got all their best pitching prospects." I have a feeling he's right.
No doubt. I think I will be proven wrong in my campaigning for the Yanks to trade for him.
I'm not a GM and really have no idea how to construct a baseball team, but I can't understand why Seattle traded Doug Fister with 4 years to go until his free agency. Isn't that precisely the type of player a team needs to keep? A solid major league starting pitcher who works for cheap and is under control? The Mariners are going to be bad for a long time, I have to believe.
Spectrum 10/27/09; New Orleans JazzFest 5/1/10; Made in America 9/2/12; WF Center 10/21/13; WF Center 10/22/13; Baltimore 10/27/13; WF Center 4/28/16; WF Center 4/29/16; Fenway Park 8/7/16; Fenway Park 9/2/18; Asbury Park 9/18/21; Camden 9/14/22; Las Vegas 5/16/24; Las Vegas 5/18/24; WF Center 9/7/24; WF Center 9/9/24; Baltimore Arena 9/12/24
Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/16
I'm not a GM and really have no idea how to construct a baseball team, but I can't understand why Seattle traded Doug Fister with 4 years to go until his free agency. Isn't that precisely the type of player a team needs to keep? A solid major league starting pitcher who works for cheap and is under control? The Mariners are going to be bad for a long time, I have to believe.
Yeah, one would think. I don't even know what they got in return but one would think it makes sense to keep him. I will say, the Mariners have a lot more money that people think.
I'm not a GM and really have no idea how to construct a baseball team
brian sabean is.....but also has no idea how to construct a baseball team. he likes old guys :roll:
If I had known then what I know now...
Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
VIC 07
EV LA1 08
Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
Columbus 10
EV LA 11
Vancouver 11
Missoula 12
Portland 13, Spokane 13
St. Paul 14, Denver 14
I'm not a GM and really have no idea how to construct a baseball team
brian sabean is.....but also has no idea how to construct a baseball team. he likes old guys :roll:
That guy makes very mysterious moves. Zito, Rowand, Huff...
He'll probably sign Beltran to a 7 year contract extension.
Spectrum 10/27/09; New Orleans JazzFest 5/1/10; Made in America 9/2/12; WF Center 10/21/13; WF Center 10/22/13; Baltimore 10/27/13; WF Center 4/28/16; WF Center 4/29/16; Fenway Park 8/7/16; Fenway Park 9/2/18; Asbury Park 9/18/21; Camden 9/14/22; Las Vegas 5/16/24; Las Vegas 5/18/24; WF Center 9/7/24; WF Center 9/9/24; Baltimore Arena 9/12/24
Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/16
I'm not a GM and really have no idea how to construct a baseball team
brian sabean is.....but also has no idea how to construct a baseball team. he likes old guys :roll:
That guy makes very mysterious moves. Zito, Rowand, Huff...
He'll probably sign Beltran to a 7 year contract extension.
zito was an appeasement move - "look, we're doing something"......(dumb)
rowand was one of the better CF's at the time. I think he, andruw jones and and someone else good at the time all came up at the same time.
huff was a "thanks for last year" signing...and I really didn't have a problem with it.
If I had known then what I know now...
Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
VIC 07
EV LA1 08
Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
Columbus 10
EV LA 11
Vancouver 11
Missoula 12
Portland 13, Spokane 13
St. Paul 14, Denver 14
rowand was one of the better CF's at the time. I think he, andruw jones and and someone else good at the time all came up at the same time.
I loved watching Rowand play, and he was definitely a fan favorite, but I was very happy (at the time) the Phillies didn't give him a big contract like that. There was no way that was going to end well.
Spectrum 10/27/09; New Orleans JazzFest 5/1/10; Made in America 9/2/12; WF Center 10/21/13; WF Center 10/22/13; Baltimore 10/27/13; WF Center 4/28/16; WF Center 4/29/16; Fenway Park 8/7/16; Fenway Park 9/2/18; Asbury Park 9/18/21; Camden 9/14/22; Las Vegas 5/16/24; Las Vegas 5/18/24; WF Center 9/7/24; WF Center 9/9/24; Baltimore Arena 9/12/24
Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/16
Spectrum 10/27/09; New Orleans JazzFest 5/1/10; Made in America 9/2/12; WF Center 10/21/13; WF Center 10/22/13; Baltimore 10/27/13; WF Center 4/28/16; WF Center 4/29/16; Fenway Park 8/7/16; Fenway Park 9/2/18; Asbury Park 9/18/21; Camden 9/14/22; Las Vegas 5/16/24; Las Vegas 5/18/24; WF Center 9/7/24; WF Center 9/9/24; Baltimore Arena 9/12/24
Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/16
Kershaw dropped his ERA to 2.30 and got the W despite the bullshit ejection last night.
Doc dropped his ERA to 2.34, pitched his first shutout, and clinched a playoff berth for the Phils with a 1-0 win (even got a hit while he was at it).
Clifton goes tonight. The CY race is awesome!
Spectrum 10/27/09; New Orleans JazzFest 5/1/10; Made in America 9/2/12; WF Center 10/21/13; WF Center 10/22/13; Baltimore 10/27/13; WF Center 4/28/16; WF Center 4/29/16; Fenway Park 8/7/16; Fenway Park 9/2/18; Asbury Park 9/18/21; Camden 9/14/22; Las Vegas 5/16/24; Las Vegas 5/18/24; WF Center 9/7/24; WF Center 9/9/24; Baltimore Arena 9/12/24
Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/16
Kershaw dropped his ERA to 2.30 and got the W despite the bullshit ejection last night.
Doc dropped his ERA to 2.34, pitched his first shutout, and clinched a playoff berth for the Phils with a 1-0 win (even got a hit while he was at it).
Clifton goes tonight. The CY race is awesome!
Timmy's still a stud, too.....even if his W-L doesn't reflect it.
If I had known then what I know now...
Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
VIC 07
EV LA1 08
Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
Columbus 10
EV LA 11
Vancouver 11
Missoula 12
Portland 13, Spokane 13
St. Paul 14, Denver 14
Thanks! That would be awesome... but not really, because the Phillies scare me. I like the Tigers chances against any AL team right now though. And my mom got me ALDS tickets for my birthday!
Thanks! That would be awesome... but not really, because the Phillies scare me. I like the Tigers chances against any AL team right now though. And my mom got me ALDS tickets for my birthday!
Awesome! Nice present.
Playing anybody in the WS is always awesome. Even if it's the 93 Blue Jays or 09 Yankees.
Spectrum 10/27/09; New Orleans JazzFest 5/1/10; Made in America 9/2/12; WF Center 10/21/13; WF Center 10/22/13; Baltimore 10/27/13; WF Center 4/28/16; WF Center 4/29/16; Fenway Park 8/7/16; Fenway Park 9/2/18; Asbury Park 9/18/21; Camden 9/14/22; Las Vegas 5/16/24; Las Vegas 5/18/24; WF Center 9/7/24; WF Center 9/9/24; Baltimore Arena 9/12/24
Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/16
Spectrum 10/27/09; New Orleans JazzFest 5/1/10; Made in America 9/2/12; WF Center 10/21/13; WF Center 10/22/13; Baltimore 10/27/13; WF Center 4/28/16; WF Center 4/29/16; Fenway Park 8/7/16; Fenway Park 9/2/18; Asbury Park 9/18/21; Camden 9/14/22; Las Vegas 5/16/24; Las Vegas 5/18/24; WF Center 9/7/24; WF Center 9/9/24; Baltimore Arena 9/12/24
Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/16
It's James Van Horne. I guess the best way to describe him is that he's a famous hobo around these parts. He stands outside of every Tigers game, and some Red Wings and Lions games, with his Hulk hand and cup chanting "Eat 'em up Tigers/Red Wings/Lions! Eat 'em up!"
Quick question for Cy Young voters. How often does Kershaw even go out for a 9th inning, let alone to finish off a 1-0 shutout? Sorry, but he is just not in the same class as Halladay & Lee.
Spectrum 10/27/09; New Orleans JazzFest 5/1/10; Made in America 9/2/12; WF Center 10/21/13; WF Center 10/22/13; Baltimore 10/27/13; WF Center 4/28/16; WF Center 4/29/16; Fenway Park 8/7/16; Fenway Park 9/2/18; Asbury Park 9/18/21; Camden 9/14/22; Las Vegas 5/16/24; Las Vegas 5/18/24; WF Center 9/7/24; WF Center 9/9/24; Baltimore Arena 9/12/24
Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/16
That would be awesome... but not really, because the Phillies scare me.
You should've seen Cliff Lee tonight. Aside from that one pitch, of course.
Tigers have some good pitching too. And maybe a better bullpen.
Spectrum 10/27/09; New Orleans JazzFest 5/1/10; Made in America 9/2/12; WF Center 10/21/13; WF Center 10/22/13; Baltimore 10/27/13; WF Center 4/28/16; WF Center 4/29/16; Fenway Park 8/7/16; Fenway Park 9/2/18; Asbury Park 9/18/21; Camden 9/14/22; Las Vegas 5/16/24; Las Vegas 5/18/24; WF Center 9/7/24; WF Center 9/9/24; Baltimore Arena 9/12/24
Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/16
Quick question for Cy Young voters. How often does Kershaw even go out for a 9th inning, let alone to finish off a 1-0 shutout? Sorry, but he is just not in the same class as Halladay & Lee.
How can you possibly make that claim? Just because Mattingly doesn't let him go out for the 9th as much Manuel does. Kershaw has thrown more innings that Lee and one less that Halladay and has a better ERA, lower WHIP, and more strike outs than both of them. Come one dude, because a manager doesn't run him out for the 9th makes Lee and Halladay better than him?
Quick question for Cy Young voters. How often does Kershaw even go out for a 9th inning, let alone to finish off a 1-0 shutout? Sorry, but he is just not in the same class as Halladay & Lee.
How can you possibly make that claim? Just because Mattingly doesn't let him go out for the 9th as much Manuel does. Kershaw has thrown more innings that Lee and one less that Halladay and has a better ERA, lower WHIP, and more strike outs than both of them. Come one dude, because a manager doesn't run him out for the 9th makes Lee and Halladay better than him?
Lee and Halladay act as their own closers frequently, and a couple times they haven't quite finished it off (I think once each). But Kershaw doesn't act as a closer. His CG's were all at least with a lead of a few runs.
They all have basically the same amount of innings. Cliff & Roy tied for the lead and Clayton one back.
Also, when you adjust for park factors, I'd think Cliff & Roy would jump ahead in a few of those funky SABR stats.
Spectrum 10/27/09; New Orleans JazzFest 5/1/10; Made in America 9/2/12; WF Center 10/21/13; WF Center 10/22/13; Baltimore 10/27/13; WF Center 4/28/16; WF Center 4/29/16; Fenway Park 8/7/16; Fenway Park 9/2/18; Asbury Park 9/18/21; Camden 9/14/22; Las Vegas 5/16/24; Las Vegas 5/18/24; WF Center 9/7/24; WF Center 9/9/24; Baltimore Arena 9/12/24
Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/16
Quick question for Cy Young voters. How often does Kershaw even go out for a 9th inning, let alone to finish off a 1-0 shutout? Sorry, but he is just not in the same class as Halladay & Lee.
How can you possibly make that claim? Just because Mattingly doesn't let him go out for the 9th as much Manuel does. Kershaw has thrown more innings that Lee and one less that Halladay and has a better ERA, lower WHIP, and more strike outs than both of them. Come one dude, because a manager doesn't run him out for the 9th makes Lee and Halladay better than him?
Lee and Halladay act as their own closers frequently, and a couple times they haven't quite finished it off (I think once each). But Kershaw doesn't act as a closer. His CG's were all at least with a lead of a few runs.
They all have basically the same amount of innings. Cliff & Roy tied for the lead and Clayton one back.
Also, when you adjust for park factors, I'd think Cliff & Roy would jump ahead in a few of those funky SABR stats.
That has nothing to do with Kershaw though. That's on Mattingly and Manuel. Halladay has a higher ERA+, Lee lower. Funny how SABR stats are important when they work in your favor, no?
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roid rage.
http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/ ... ll-review/
Looks good. Sometimes movie makers have to make movies and take liberties to make them entertaining.
I think the retrospective consensus is that the early 00's A's were great because of 3 things: Hudson, Mulder & Zito. It's amusing that this fact is shrouded behind the Moneyball curtain.
WF Center 4/28/16; WF Center 4/29/16; Fenway Park 8/7/16; Fenway Park 9/2/18; Asbury Park 9/18/21; Camden 9/14/22;
Las Vegas 5/16/24; Las Vegas 5/18/24; WF Center 9/7/24; WF Center 9/9/24; Baltimore Arena 9/12/24
Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/16
I certainly think those three were a huge part of their success but you can't deny that Beane and the A's changed the way front offices think and operate.
Yeah. Like my bro-in-law in CO after they traded Ubaldo was really defending it. Saying "we got all their best pitching prospects." I have a feeling he's right.
WF Center 4/28/16; WF Center 4/29/16; Fenway Park 8/7/16; Fenway Park 9/2/18; Asbury Park 9/18/21; Camden 9/14/22;
Las Vegas 5/16/24; Las Vegas 5/18/24; WF Center 9/7/24; WF Center 9/9/24; Baltimore Arena 9/12/24
Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/16
No doubt. I think I will be proven wrong in my campaigning for the Yanks to trade for him.
Is it possible to despise yet respect a team at the same time?
BOS-9/28/04,9/29/04,6/28/08,6/30/08, 9/5/16, 9/7/16, 9/2/18
MTL-9/15/05, OTT-9/16/05
PHL-5/27/06,5/28/06,10/30/09,10/31/09
CHI-8/2/07,8/5/07,8/23/09,8/24/09
HTFD-6/27/08
ATX-10/4/09, 10/12/14
KC-5/3/2010,STL-5/4/2010
Bridge School-10/23/2010,10/24/2010
PJ20-9/3/2011,9/4/2011
OKC-11/16/13
SEA-12/6/13
TUL-10/8/14
No, just despise them. It's more fun.
WF Center 4/28/16; WF Center 4/29/16; Fenway Park 8/7/16; Fenway Park 9/2/18; Asbury Park 9/18/21; Camden 9/14/22;
Las Vegas 5/16/24; Las Vegas 5/18/24; WF Center 9/7/24; WF Center 9/9/24; Baltimore Arena 9/12/24
Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/16
Yeah, one would think. I don't even know what they got in return but one would think it makes sense to keep him. I will say, the Mariners have a lot more money that people think.
Now if we could get them to just trade Felix.
Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
VIC 07
EV LA1 08
Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
Columbus 10
EV LA 11
Vancouver 11
Missoula 12
Portland 13, Spokane 13
St. Paul 14, Denver 14
That guy makes very mysterious moves. Zito, Rowand, Huff...
He'll probably sign Beltran to a 7 year contract extension.
WF Center 4/28/16; WF Center 4/29/16; Fenway Park 8/7/16; Fenway Park 9/2/18; Asbury Park 9/18/21; Camden 9/14/22;
Las Vegas 5/16/24; Las Vegas 5/18/24; WF Center 9/7/24; WF Center 9/9/24; Baltimore Arena 9/12/24
Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/16
rowand was one of the better CF's at the time. I think he, andruw jones and and someone else good at the time all came up at the same time.
huff was a "thanks for last year" signing...and I really didn't have a problem with it.
Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
VIC 07
EV LA1 08
Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
Columbus 10
EV LA 11
Vancouver 11
Missoula 12
Portland 13, Spokane 13
St. Paul 14, Denver 14
I loved watching Rowand play, and he was definitely a fan favorite, but I was very happy (at the time) the Phillies didn't give him a big contract like that. There was no way that was going to end well.
WF Center 4/28/16; WF Center 4/29/16; Fenway Park 8/7/16; Fenway Park 9/2/18; Asbury Park 9/18/21; Camden 9/14/22;
Las Vegas 5/16/24; Las Vegas 5/18/24; WF Center 9/7/24; WF Center 9/9/24; Baltimore Arena 9/12/24
Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/16
Happy Birthday. Maybe we'll see you in October.
WF Center 4/28/16; WF Center 4/29/16; Fenway Park 8/7/16; Fenway Park 9/2/18; Asbury Park 9/18/21; Camden 9/14/22;
Las Vegas 5/16/24; Las Vegas 5/18/24; WF Center 9/7/24; WF Center 9/9/24; Baltimore Arena 9/12/24
Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/16
Doc dropped his ERA to 2.34, pitched his first shutout, and clinched a playoff berth for the Phils with a 1-0 win (even got a hit while he was at it).
Clifton goes tonight. The CY race is awesome!
WF Center 4/28/16; WF Center 4/29/16; Fenway Park 8/7/16; Fenway Park 9/2/18; Asbury Park 9/18/21; Camden 9/14/22;
Las Vegas 5/16/24; Las Vegas 5/18/24; WF Center 9/7/24; WF Center 9/9/24; Baltimore Arena 9/12/24
Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/16
Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
VIC 07
EV LA1 08
Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
Columbus 10
EV LA 11
Vancouver 11
Missoula 12
Portland 13, Spokane 13
St. Paul 14, Denver 14
Thanks! That would be awesome... but not really, because the Phillies scare me. I like the Tigers chances against any AL team right now though. And my mom got me ALDS tickets for my birthday!
Awesome! Nice present.
Playing anybody in the WS is always awesome. Even if it's the 93 Blue Jays or 09 Yankees.
WF Center 4/28/16; WF Center 4/29/16; Fenway Park 8/7/16; Fenway Park 9/2/18; Asbury Park 9/18/21; Camden 9/14/22;
Las Vegas 5/16/24; Las Vegas 5/18/24; WF Center 9/7/24; WF Center 9/9/24; Baltimore Arena 9/12/24
Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/16
Look at those. fucking. nails.
Bleh.
WF Center 4/28/16; WF Center 4/29/16; Fenway Park 8/7/16; Fenway Park 9/2/18; Asbury Park 9/18/21; Camden 9/14/22;
Las Vegas 5/16/24; Las Vegas 5/18/24; WF Center 9/7/24; WF Center 9/9/24; Baltimore Arena 9/12/24
Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/16
It's James Van Horne. I guess the best way to describe him is that he's a famous hobo around these parts. He stands outside of every Tigers game, and some Red Wings and Lions games, with his Hulk hand and cup chanting "Eat 'em up Tigers/Red Wings/Lions! Eat 'em up!"
WF Center 4/28/16; WF Center 4/29/16; Fenway Park 8/7/16; Fenway Park 9/2/18; Asbury Park 9/18/21; Camden 9/14/22;
Las Vegas 5/16/24; Las Vegas 5/18/24; WF Center 9/7/24; WF Center 9/9/24; Baltimore Arena 9/12/24
Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/16
You should've seen Cliff Lee tonight.
Tigers have some good pitching too. And maybe a better bullpen.
WF Center 4/28/16; WF Center 4/29/16; Fenway Park 8/7/16; Fenway Park 9/2/18; Asbury Park 9/18/21; Camden 9/14/22;
Las Vegas 5/16/24; Las Vegas 5/18/24; WF Center 9/7/24; WF Center 9/9/24; Baltimore Arena 9/12/24
Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/16
How can you possibly make that claim? Just because Mattingly doesn't let him go out for the 9th as much Manuel does. Kershaw has thrown more innings that Lee and one less that Halladay and has a better ERA, lower WHIP, and more strike outs than both of them. Come one dude, because a manager doesn't run him out for the 9th makes Lee and Halladay better than him?
Lee and Halladay act as their own closers frequently, and a couple times they haven't quite finished it off (I think once each). But Kershaw doesn't act as a closer. His CG's were all at least with a lead of a few runs.
They all have basically the same amount of innings. Cliff & Roy tied for the lead and Clayton one back.
Also, when you adjust for park factors, I'd think Cliff & Roy would jump ahead in a few of those funky SABR stats.
WF Center 4/28/16; WF Center 4/29/16; Fenway Park 8/7/16; Fenway Park 9/2/18; Asbury Park 9/18/21; Camden 9/14/22;
Las Vegas 5/16/24; Las Vegas 5/18/24; WF Center 9/7/24; WF Center 9/9/24; Baltimore Arena 9/12/24
Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/16
That has nothing to do with Kershaw though. That's on Mattingly and Manuel. Halladay has a higher ERA+, Lee lower. Funny how SABR stats are important when they work in your favor, no?