UFO's Fact of Fiction ?

catefrances

Commy wrote:

we are talking about UFO's, using common sense and logic, being most likely gov't craft. you, opposing the use of common sense with descartes quote, claim otherwise.


so again, give me facts aliens exist.

i dont agree that aliens exist, so i cant give you facts.

Commy

catefrances wrote:

Commy wrote:

we are talking about UFO's, using common sense and logic, being most likely gov't craft. you, opposing the use of common sense with descartes quote, claim otherwise.


so again, give me facts aliens exist.

i dont agree that aliens exist, so i cant give you facts.

disagreeing with common sense while you do it.

LikeAnOcean

catefrances wrote:

we are waitng for the mothership to return...and then much like the mayans, we will return to our home planet.

Seriously though, you can't watch the above video and not keep an open mind about all of this.. Anyone's guess is as good as mine.

LikeAnOcean

catefrances wrote:

Commy wrote:

we are talking about UFO's, using common sense and logic, being most likely gov't craft. you, opposing the use of common sense with descartes quote, claim otherwise.


so again, give me facts aliens exist.

i dont agree that aliens exist, so i cant give you facts.

Given probability and the size of our universe, it is estimated that as many as 10,000 civilizations may exist. Wether they have visited here or not is the great debate, but the theory out is that there are interdimensional travelers, not from great distances.. ideas that would blow our little human minds.

Commy

Gob wrote:

catefrances wrote:

Commy wrote:

we are talking about UFO's, using common sense and logic, being most likely gov't craft. you, opposing the use of common sense with descartes quote, claim otherwise.


so again, give me facts aliens exist.

i dont agree that aliens exist, so i cant give you facts.

Given probability and the size of our universe, it is estimated that as many as 10,000 civilizations may exist. Wether they have visited here or not is the great debate, but the theory out is that there are inter-dimensional travelers, not from great distances, but from ideas that would blow our little human minds.

where did they get 10,000? probabilities, shit there has to be at least that out there.

catefrances

Commy wrote:

catefrances wrote:

Commy wrote:

we are talking about UFO's, using common sense and logic, being most likely gov't craft. you, opposing the use of common sense with descartes quote, claim otherwise.


so again, give me facts aliens exist.

i dont agree that aliens exist, so i cant give you facts.

disagreeing with common sense while you do it.

i think that when we are told something is just common sense, what it is is just an agreed upon consensus.

what you are saying is that UFOs are in fact government aircraft, which while it is your opinion based im sure on deep research and reflective thought, is not at all so widespread an opinion to be able to be held up as just common sense.

LikeAnOcean

Commy wrote:

where did they get 10,000? probabilities, shit there has to be at least that out there.

Some show with some scientists, explaining numbers that would blow our minds and how many chances there would be for life to evolve to that point... interesting stuff. I'm not convinced anyone has actually visited us, but I am open to the idea of different dimensions and things our brains aren't evolved enough to understand. There's something crazy going on, that's for sure..

catefrances

Gob wrote:

catefrances wrote:

Commy wrote:

we are talking about UFO's, using common sense and logic, being most likely gov't craft. you, opposing the use of common sense with descartes quote, claim otherwise.


so again, give me facts aliens exist.

i dont agree that aliens exist, so i cant give you facts.

Given probability and the size of our universe, it is estimated that as many as 10,000 civilizations may exist. Wether they have visited here or not is the great debate, but the theory out is that there are interdimensional travelers, not from great distances.. ideas that would blow our little human minds.

how can whether aliens have visited here or not be of great debate when its not even a fact that they exist in the first place???

LikeAnOcean

catefrances wrote:

how can whether aliens have visited here or not be of great debate when its not even a fact that they exist in the first place???

Maybe someone else has the facts.. I think we are debating opinions on information that may or may not exist.



I just like to keep an open mind. We can only process what we percieve. The world was once flat.



Who has to tell you they exist before you believe it? Do you have to touch one before you believe it?

Idris

Commy wrote:

Idris wrote:

Whenever someone see's an Object that is flying and is Unidentified..it is a government craft.

Then you go on about logic and common sense,

what seems more likely to you? a gov't that spends trillions on war has crafts that can do these maneuvers and is keeping them secret or that alien beings, travelling billions of miles are cruising the planet for what? another question for you.....what the fuck are these aliens doing here?

Why are we (mankind) travelling across space many thousands of miles cruising other planets? For what? Maybe they (these aliens) are curious like us?

I mean seriously Commy, you are asking me the Modus operandi of an Alien that may of may not even exist.

This entire debate we are having is based on you speaking of facts and saying that all ufo's are simply government. When in reality you don't know, then you cite common sense and logic.

and common sense and logic (in this case) should keep us from saying for sure what we know these flying objects to be. We can say that the probability is high of some of these crafts being secret military etc,

I'm not making a solid judgment whichever way, as I simply do not know what all those Flying object are or were.

Some cases they are military, sometimes maybe not. I don't know.

Anyway, the funny thing is this, we were talking about the caller at the end of the video, who said that area 51 was not about aliens but rather inner dimensional beings etc etc. Then you came in "ufo's are government" then ask me "what the fuck are these aliens doing here?"

catefrances

Gob wrote:

catefrances wrote:

how can whether aliens have visited here or not be of great debate when its not even a fact that they exist in the first place???

Maybe someone else has the facts.. I think we are debating opinions on information that may or may not exist.



I just like to keep an open mind. We can only process what we percieve. The world was once flat.



Who has to tell you they exist before you believe it? Do you have to touch one before you believe it?

rock solid evidence backed by science would be nice, dont you think?

Commy

catefrances wrote:

Commy wrote:

catefrances wrote:

i dont agree that aliens exist, so i cant give you facts.

disagreeing with common sense while you do it.

i think that when we are told something is just common sense, what it is is just an agreed upon consensus.

what you are saying is that UFOs are in fact government aircraft, which while it is your opinion based im sure on deep research and reflective thought, is not at all so widespread an opinion to be able to be held up as just common sense.

There have been been many aircraft in our past that were thought to be impossible by the technological standards of the day. gov't has an advantage over what is produced. that's where common sense comes into the debate. they've done it before, who's to say they aren't doing it now? how many times do we need to be fooled before we realize the truth?

so today we have aircraft doing impossible maneuvers, according to the technology available today. just as they did it before.


common sense tells me they're probably gov't. that makes more sense than the explanation where we are being visited by an intelligent race from a far away planet.

Commy

Idris wrote:

Why are we (mankind) travelling across space many thousands of miles cruising other planets? For what? Maybe they (these aliens) are curious like us?

I mean seriously Commy, you are asking me the Modus operandi of an Alien that may of may not even exist.

This entire debate we are having is based on you speaking of facts and saying that all ufo's are simply government. When in reality you don't know, then you cite common sense and logic.

and common sense and logic (in this case) should keep us from saying for sure what we know these flying objects to be. We can say that the probability is high of some of these crafts being secret military etc,

I'm not making a solid judgment whichever way, as I simply do not know what all those Flying object are or were.

Some cases they are military, sometimes maybe not. I don't know.

Anyway, the funny thing is this, we were talking about the caller at the end of the video, who said that area 51 was not about aliens but rather inner dimensional beings etc etc. Then you came in "ufo's are government" then ask me "what the fuck are these aliens doing here?"

so they are interdemensional beings?




i hope you can understand my skepticism when i don't take this at face value.

Commy

Gob wrote:

Commy wrote:

where did they get 10,000? probabilities, shit there has to be at least that out there.

Some show with some scientists, explaining numbers that would blow our minds and how many chances there would be for life to evolve to that point... interesting stuff. I'm not convinced anyone has actually visited us, but I am open to the idea of different dimensions and things our brains aren't evolved enough to understand. There's something crazy going on, that's for sure..

i'm not sure about that either. but i do believe we are evolving.

Idris

Commy wrote:

Idris wrote:

Why are we (mankind) travelling across space many thousands of miles cruising other planets? For what? Maybe they (these aliens) are curious like us?

I mean seriously Commy, you are asking me the Modus operandi of an Alien that may of may not even exist.

This entire debate we are having is based on you speaking of facts and saying that all ufo's are simply government. When in reality you don't know, then you cite common sense and logic.

and common sense and logic (in this case) should keep us from saying for sure what we know these flying objects to be. We can say that the probability is high of some of these crafts being secret military etc,

I'm not making a solid judgment whichever way, as I simply do not know what all those Flying object are or were.

Some cases they are military, sometimes maybe not. I don't know.

Anyway, the funny thing is this, we were talking about the caller at the end of the video, who said that area 51 was not about aliens but rather inner dimensional beings etc etc. Then you came in "ufo's are government" then ask me "what the fuck are these aliens doing here?"

so they are interdemensional beings?




i hope you can understand my skepticism when i don't take this at face value.

No I did not say that, stop using conjecture in your debates. Go back, look at the video, read the posts again. Without so much anger and/or frustration.

catefrances

Commy wrote:

There have been been many aircraft in our past that were thought to be impossible by the technological standards of the day. gov't has an advantage over what is produced. that's where common sense comes into the debate. they've done it before, who's to say they aren't doing it now? how many times do we need to be fooled before we realize the truth?

so today we have aircraft doing impossible maneuvers, according to the technology available today. just as they did it before.


common sense tells me they're probably gov't. that makes more sense than the explanation where we are being visited by an intelligent race from a far away planet.

i apologise if you think im simply being contrary. yes youre right it makes more sense that theyre probably govt aircraft rather than the alien spacecraft, but thats hardly a great stretch now is it? and that hardly makes it common sense. the fact is neither of these suppositions tells me that they are in FACT govt aircraft when the alternate choice is what some would consider fantastical based on the thought that we cant possibly be alone.

LikeAnOcean

Commy wrote:

Gob wrote:

Commy wrote:

where did they get 10,000? probabilities, shit there has to be at least that out there.

Some show with some scientists, explaining numbers that would blow our minds and how many chances there would be for life to evolve to that point... interesting stuff. I'm not convinced anyone has actually visited us, but I am open to the idea of different dimensions and things our brains aren't evolved enough to understand. There's something crazy going on, that's for sure..

i'm not sure about that either. but i do believe we are evolving.

Survival of the fittest isn't so in our society so much anymore, so we really aren't getting any smarter. Nothing is killing off dumber people.. in fact, they are more likely to keep reproducing.

Idris

Commy wrote:

Gob wrote:

Commy wrote:

where did they get 10,000? probabilities, shit there has to be at least that out there.

Some show with some scientists, explaining numbers that would blow our minds and how many chances there would be for life to evolve to that point... interesting stuff. I'm not convinced anyone has actually visited us, but I am open to the idea of different dimensions and things our brains aren't evolved enough to understand. There's something crazy going on, that's for sure..

i'm not sure about that either. but i do believe we are evolving.

You believe we are evolving.

If you don't mind, could you expand on that please. Evolving in what sense? mind? body? Evolving into what? and Why?

Could make for a great thread, in fact maybe this should be in the the 'spiritual evolution' thread?

LikeAnOcean

We have 5 senses we evolved with to tell us about the world around us. Some creatures don't even have that. Explaining a 6th sense to us, the ability to pick up on another dimension, would be like trying to explain what sight is to a creature that doesn't have or need it.




Everyone is going to have an opinion, but we should all keep an open mind.


The video is crazy. I don't know how anyone can watch those images and not be in wonder.

catefrances

Gob wrote:

Survival of the fittest isn't so in our society so much anymore, so we really aren't getting any smarter. Nothing is killing off dumber people.. in fact, they are more likely to keep reproducing.

have you seen idiocracy?