Ben Roethlisberger

inmytree

DewieCox wrote:

He did it...I'm all for innocent til proven guilty, too, and to me his guilt has been proven. Who the hell takes a drunk chick into a bathroom and has his goons guard the door? The answer, a rapist.

really...? how many rapists have someone stand guard...?

while Ben may be a douche...not to many folks were too worried about that after his second Super Bowl win....

I know that whole "innocent unless proven guilty" tends to get in the way here on the Internets...but at the end of the day, he wasn't charged in this incident...

now if being a douche and a dumbass were a crime, he would have been locked up a long time ago...heck, so would half of America....

DewieCox

inmytree wrote:

DewieCox wrote:

He did it...I'm all for innocent til proven guilty, too, and to me his guilt has been proven. Who the hell takes a drunk chick into a bathroom and has his goons guard the door? The answer, a rapist.

really...? how many rapists have someone stand guard...?

At least 1

inmytree

DewieCox wrote:

inmytree wrote:

DewieCox wrote:

He did it...I'm all for innocent til proven guilty, too, and to me his guilt has been proven. Who the hell takes a drunk chick into a bathroom and has his goons guard the door? The answer, a rapist.

really...? how many rapists have someone stand guard...?

At least 1

if you say so, judge...

jimed14

blackredyellow wrote:

I'm a Steelers fan, and there is no way they are getting rid of him... he's one of the top 5-6 QB's in the league, and they have $30+ million guaranteed (plus a lot more of a cap hit) in him. If he inexplicably does something else like this again, then maybe, but moving him really hurts the franchise for years.

Tweeted form Adam Schefter this morning ...

Adam_Schefter: Pittsburgh has begun contacting teams to trade Ben for top 10 pick. At least one team considering it.Story far from done.

And the NFL Network ...

jasonlacanfora reports that Steelers called Rams over weekend and offered up Big Ben and Rams were not interested.

norm

jimed14 wrote:

jasonlacanfora reports that Steelers called Rams over weekend and offered up Big Ben and Rams were not interested.

jimed14

also being reported that the suspension will be 4 - 6 games.

Indifference71

Alright, well its obvious that Ben is a scumbag or rapist or whatever you want to call him. But the fact that the NFL is going to suspend him 4-6 games when he hasn't even been charged with a crime does not seem right. I am in no way defending anything that he has reportedly done, but to be suspended without being arrested seems a little off.

jimed14

Indifference71 wrote:

Alright, well its obvious that Ben is a scumbag or rapist or whatever you want to call him. But the fact that the NFL is going to suspend him 4-6 games when he hasn't even been charged with a crime does not seem right. I am in no way defending anything that he has reportedly done, but to be suspended without being arrested seems a little off.

The NFL has a pretty strict personal conduct policy. You don't have to be charged with a crime.

Indifference71

jimed14 wrote:

Indifference71 wrote:

Alright, well its obvious that Ben is a scumbag or rapist or whatever you want to call him. But the fact that the NFL is going to suspend him 4-6 games when he hasn't even been charged with a crime does not seem right. I am in no way defending anything that he has reportedly done, but to be suspended without being arrested seems a little off.

The NFL has a pretty strict personal conduct policy. You don't have to be charged with a crime.

I know that, but up to 6 games for not even being arrested seems a bit much. I think Roger Goodell is starting to abuse this power with the personal conduct policy.

Cliffy6745

Indifference71 wrote:

jimed14 wrote:

Indifference71 wrote:

Alright, well its obvious that Ben is a scumbag or rapist or whatever you want to call him. But the fact that the NFL is going to suspend him 4-6 games when he hasn't even been charged with a crime does not seem right. I am in no way defending anything that he has reportedly done, but to be suspended without being arrested seems a little off.

The NFL has a pretty strict personal conduct policy. You don't have to be charged with a crime.

I know that, but up to 6 games for not even being arrested seems a bit much. I think Roger Goodell is starting to abuse this power with the personal conduct policy.

I think Roger Godell wants to make a point that he does not approve of one of the most well known players in the nfl banging blacked-out drunk college girls in the bathroom of a college bar and then getting accused of rape for it. Plus it is not his first time being accused of something like this.

jimed14

A bit much? For bar hopping with underage drunk girls? While there were no charges, there are still a lot of things that went on that are inappropriate ... and who knows what he fessed up to when he had the discussion at the league office.

It's also possible this is a cumulative thing with the issue in Lake Tahoe.

I'll bet if it's 4-6 games, there is no appeal by the Steelers or the Players Association.


edit ... again, cliffy and I are in agreement ... aside for whom we cheer for, this happens often ... if he were a sox fan, we'd be bff's.

Cliffy6745

jimed14 wrote:

A bit much? For bar hopping with underage drunk girls? While there were no charges, there are still a lot of things that went on that are inappropriate ... and who knows what he fessed up to when he had the discussion at the league office.

It's also possible this is a cumulative thing with the issue in Lake Tahoe.

I'll bet if it's 4-6 games, there is no appeal by the Steelers or the Players Association.


edit ... again, cliffy and I are in agreement ... aside for whom we cheer for, this happens often ... if he were a sox fan, we'd be bff's.

Haha, I was going to say the same thing. We agree wayyy to much for our baseball affiliations.

DeLukin

Indifference71 wrote:

I think Roger Goodell is starting to abuse this power with the personal conduct policy.

Art Rooney II stated earlier that if the NFL didn't punish Ben the team would, so it's not really about Roger Goodell. It's more about controlling public perception - the NFL can't control everything its players do off the field, but if it gives the impression that it's willing to punish offenders fans will be pacified. Which we are, for the most part.

mickeyrat

6 Games pending a "behavioural evaluation" upon reveiw could be reduced to 4.

norm

6 games but there's this

NFL suspended Steelers QB Ben Roethlisberger six games for violating the league's Personal Conduct Policy.

Commissioner Roger Goodell informed Roethlisberger that he's subject to "comprehensive behavioral evaluation" over the next few months, with the possibility of the ban being reduced should Big Ben meet the league's conduct standards. Roethlisberger will definitely not be eligible to play before Week 5. He'll remain on the trade block Thursday through Saturday.

so if he doesn't attack another girl for a month, he's suddenly an angel?? what a fucking joke professional sports has become :roll:

Porchsitter

Indifference71 wrote:

Alright, well its obvious that Ben is a scumbag or rapist or whatever you want to call him. But the fact that the NFL is going to suspend him 4-6 games when he hasn't even been charged with a crime does not seem right. I am in no way defending anything that he has reportedly done, but to be suspended without being arrested seems a little off.

I would think this is if this was the first time for Roethlisberger, but this isn't an isolated incident. He's already been accused of the same thing once before. Then you have the bathroom incident which, while not charged with a crime, just goes to show that perhaps the first time wasn't so isolated, and there was another girl who came forward and has said a similar incident happened to her. And while he hasn't been charged, he's still facing a civil suit with the first incident and, most likely, will face another civil suit with the second one. I think the NFL did the right thing, and I think the punishment is spot-on.

michelleelise

I hope they trade him. I never really followed football but since I've been in Colorado I somehow fell in with the Steelers crowd (you guys are everywhere!!) and so I've been cheering for them for 5 years now. I'm going to have a hard time cheering for the offense if that jerk is out on the field. :evil:

jimed14

michelle822 wrote:

I hope they trade him. I never really followed football but since I've been in Colorado I somehow fell in with the Steelers crowd (you guys are everywhere!!) and so I've been cheering for them for 5 years now. I'm going to have a hard time cheering for the offense if that jerk is out on the field. :evil:

Read an article yesterday (Peter King, SI) that said this is the overwhelming feeling of Steelers fans ... in that same article, King felt the Steelers would keep Ben, but ... sure ain't looking that way now.

Also, this talk of trade could be a PR thing for the fans, so Steeler's management can say, "hey, we tried to trade him ... there were no takers."

michelleelise

jimed14 wrote:

michelle822 wrote:

I hope they trade him. I never really followed football but since I've been in Colorado I somehow fell in with the Steelers crowd (you guys are everywhere!!) and so I've been cheering for them for 5 years now. I'm going to have a hard time cheering for the offense if that jerk is out on the field. :evil:

Read an article yesterday (Peter King, SI) that said this is the overwhelming feeling of Steelers fans ... in that same article, King felt the Steelers would keep Ben, but ... sure ain't looking that way now.

Also, this talk of trade could be a PR thing for the fans, so Steeler's management can say, "hey, we tried to trade him ... there were no takers."

Yeah, absolutely. Most of the people I watch games with grew up in Pittsburgh and looking at their Facebook posts the past few days , they all want him gone.

blackredyellow

jimed14 wrote:

michelle822 wrote:

I hope they trade him. I never really followed football but since I've been in Colorado I somehow fell in with the Steelers crowd (you guys are everywhere!!) and so I've been cheering for them for 5 years now. I'm going to have a hard time cheering for the offense if that jerk is out on the field. :evil:

Read an article yesterday (Peter King, SI) that said this is the overwhelming feeling of Steelers fans ... in that same article, King felt the Steelers would keep Ben, but ... sure ain't looking that way now.

Also, this talk of trade could be a PR thing for the fans, so Steeler's management can say, "hey, we tried to trade him ... there were no takers."

I don't know exactly why, but athletes screwing up (even on teams I am a fan of) doesn't really bother me in the least bit... I'm under no illusion that these athletes are great people... sure, most are decent, but like any profession, there are assholes out there (and the percentages probably raises with salary).

I'm a fan of the Steelers, but I could care less about trading Roethlisberger... I watch games to see great athletes perform and entertain me... If they are good people, then it's an added bonus, but in the end I just want to see them play.

In sports for some reason we hold them to a higher standard than most other professions.